TIME TO GO HOME: Criminal at early age - or Pallavi Agrawal

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Dear Pallavi,

Though you had highlighted a big flaw of Indian Astrologers, I consider your

approach faulty and your method indecent. Please consider following:

1) First, astrology is an exact but most difficult science. Identifying general

trends is very much possible but predicting specific events is not easy.

2) Most of the persons here are researchers / learners. You must have given this

problem as a puzzle. Otherwise, we just try to see why it happened what had

happened. Your describing something important distracts the attention of the

student astrologer from other aspects. He tries to justify it if he sees some

possible reasons for it. If you go to a doctor (who can afford only limited

time to his patients) and pretends to have some problem he can't see

physically, he tries to look for the possible reasons and even tries to

corroborate it with pathological tests, blood reports etc. and gives his

prescription. You can try this. Remember, astrology is far superior to other

sciences which can give you some insight into a person's life without even

seeing him / her physically.

3) You had misguided us with his 'rape accused' status. Then retrogression of

Venus (as 7th and 12th lord) seems to indicate something unusual, lagna lord

Mars further facilitates some explanation. But a favourable Navamsa indicates

otherwise. However, given your description of facts, I ignored the Navamsa as

it is not correct very often and thought that Aquarius Navamsa was possible

with 3-4 minutes of time difference. You must have given the source of TOB and

some past trends to verify it (for those interested). I did the whole exercise

just to seek the explanation for what you had described, not to read the

horoscope. Unfortunately, I had stored it in my data bank for further research.

 

4) Then, it was mere accusation of rape not a 'proven criminal status'. Even

such accusations may not be genuine. It can be the result of a failed love

affair with sexual overtones. It seemed possible with dasa of retrograde Venus.

 

Summing up, I feel that you had insulted astrological community at large and

even genuine astrologers in particular. If we go by Karma theory, you have

accumulated a bad Karma for which you should apologize the astrologers here. I

am not against testing an astrologer, particularly when there are so many

frauds but you should put a plain horoscope before the astrologer without your

misguiding comments. Alternately, you can put some options before them to

select from. It will help us learn together. I have always encouraged such

healthy exercise.

 

Now some last words about the horoscope you had put. I still feel that

retrograde Venus should bring something unusual into his married life, you may

or may not be aware of it. It may be related to the person himself or his wife.

Again, as I said above, trends can be identified easily as compared to specific

events. Hence, don't ask me what but wait for termination of Venus dasa. If

Navamsa is correct, his wife should have a bad temperament / aggression.

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

 

 

-

Pallavi Aggarwal

vedic astrology

Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:52 PM

[vedic astrology] TIME TO GO HOME: Criminal at early age

Hi All Members and Learned Members,

 

First of all, my intension is not to offend or insult any one. I Just want to convey something. NOW.

 

The person I presented as CRIMINAL is actually1) Working in MNC at very

good/reputed and Highly paid job.2) Married completely according to parents

wishes.3) Very soft spoken and cute looking.4) DEVOTEE of Lord KRSNA, offers

prayers everyday, regularly.5) Pure vaishnav vegetarian, with occaissional

onion/garlic.6) Simplest life-style of whole family, though everyone is earning

well.7) Calm and quite, never boasting.

 

In short he is exactly OPPOSITE to what YOU learned GURUS, have made him.

 

Now, try to understand, You don't go by general analysis, rather take for

granted what the person is saying. Some Astrologer once said to me, "First

lesson of astrology is, don't look at the present state of person OR what he is

saying. Judge him ONLY from kundali. He may be looking, but a millionaire

actually." He said Kundali is most powerful Device, so TRUST only kundali and

not the person sitting in front of you.

 

Similarily, I know, if I would have given you some CRIMINAL's kundali and

presented as Holyman, YOU, would have given your analysis supporting that also.

PLEASE, GENERALIZE and REVISE your techniquea. WAKE-UP, YOU ARE NEEDED, BUTIN

UNBIASED STATE, WHERE YOU ARE DRIVEN ONLY BY KUNDALI.

 

In last few months, YOU just give analysis according, how the person present

himself/herself. YOU don't look weather person deserve it or not. FOR EXAMPLE:-

 

 

EXAMPLE 1:----Some Mrs. Sudha sent a mail that her husband beats her. Everyone

sympathised. DID anyone looked at her : ***** Debilitated Venus in 12th with

8th lord Mars******what do YOU say about her sexual desires and gynaecological

problems. His husband seems comparetively better then her. Don't you think she

is HIDING something. There is definitely something wrong on her part also.

 

EXAMPLE 2:-Some Raghu, working in IBM call centre, was blaming his 2 girlfriend

of being low in character. Everyone answered in his support. DID anyone asked

about HIS character, That wot he is doing with 2 girls. A male is permitted to

have more then 1 girl without a questionable character, And a girl can't even

laugh with 2 boys

 

DONT u think there is a need of UNBIASED analysis, IRRESPECTIVE of WHO sent the mail.

 

I am an amateur, and wanted to show you some kundalis, BUT this incident shows

YOU dont have a general UNBIASED INSIGHT.

 

Now please REALISE the mistake, INSTEAD of ABUSING me, or JUSTIFYING yourself

with some EXCUSES. There are many people who needs your UNBIASED ADVISE.

 

Thanks

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Dear Praveen,

 

I agree with your viewpoint that astrology is an exact and the most diffcult

science of all . However lets not beat up on Pallavi just because she chose

the method she chose, to highlight the biggest problem in astrology today -

Half learned astrologers posing as Gurus rashly jumping to conclusions with

little or no supporting logic . An astrologer should eba able to clearly and

effectively explain his predictions/conclusions in a logical manner.

 

In contrast numerous opinions on this message board just have an abundance

of conclusions and suggestions but little to support how that conclusion was

arrived at. In every chart there will be numerous positive and counter

positive influences for a single bhava. How many times have u come across

opinions here, that enumerates all the positives and negatives, clearly

explaining why the positive outweigh the negative or vice versa? - Not many

unfortunately!.

 

In my opinion it would be a better learning oppurtunity for all on this

board if people spend their time more on explaining why they arrive at a

particular conclusion rather than just flood it with predictions.

 

Now one last thing on your doctor analogy . If the doctor runs a series of

tests and still comes up with nothing that corroborates the symptoms the

patient mentioned, he should not prescribe a medicine!

 

In short lets just accept the fact that Pallavi has highlighted a serious

problem with all of us here in particular and 80% of astrologers today in

general. The faster we change this the better off astrology as a science

will be .

 

Regards

Suresh

 

>Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001

>vedic astrology

>vedic astrology

>Re: [vedic astrology] TIME TO GO HOME: Criminal at early age - or

>Pallavi Agrawal

>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:00:31 +0530

>

>Dear Pallavi,

>Though you had highlighted a big flaw of Indian Astrologers, I consider

>your approach faulty and your method indecent. Please consider following:

>1) First, astrology is an exact but most difficult science. Identifying

>general trends is very much possible but predicting specific events is not

>easy.

>2) Most of the persons here are researchers / learners. You must have given

>this problem as a puzzle. Otherwise, we just try to see why it happened

>what had happened. Your describing something important distracts the

>attention of the student astrologer from other aspects. He tries to justify

>it if he sees some possible reasons for it. If you go to a doctor (who can

>afford only limited time to his patients) and pretends to have some problem

>he can't see physically, he tries to look for the possible reasons and even

>tries to corroborate it with pathological tests, blood reports etc. and

>gives his prescription. You can try this. Remember, astrology is far

>superior to other sciences which can give you some insight into a person's

>life without even seeing him / her physically.

>3) You had misguided us with his 'rape accused' status. Then retrogression

>of Venus (as 7th and 12th lord) seems to indicate something unusual, lagna

>lord Mars further facilitates some explanation. But a favourable Navamsa

>indicates otherwise. However, given your description of facts, I ignored

>the Navamsa as it is not correct very often and thought that Aquarius

>Navamsa was possible with 3-4 minutes of time difference. You must have

>given the source of TOB and some past trends to verify it (for those

>interested). I did the whole exercise just to seek the explanation for what

>you had described, not to read the horoscope. Unfortunately, I had stored

>it in my data bank for further research.

>4) Then, it was mere accusation of rape not a 'proven criminal status'.

>Even such accusations may not be genuine. It can be the result of a failed

>love affair with sexual overtones. It seemed possible with dasa of

>retrograde Venus.

>

>Summing up, I feel that you had insulted astrological community at large

>and even genuine astrologers in particular. If we go by Karma theory, you

>have accumulated a bad Karma for which you should apologize the astrologers

>here. I am not against testing an astrologer, particularly when there are

>so many frauds but you should put a plain horoscope before the astrologer

>without your misguiding comments. Alternately, you can put some options

>before them to select from. It will help us learn together. I have always

>encouraged such healthy exercise.

>

>Now some last words about the horoscope you had put. I still feel that

>retrograde Venus should bring something unusual into his married life, you

>may or may not be aware of it. It may be related to the person himself or

>his wife. Again, as I said above, trends can be identified easily as

>compared to specific events. Hence, don't ask me what but wait for

>termination of Venus dasa. If Navamsa is correct, his wife should have a

>bad temperament / aggression.

>

>Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

>

>

>

> -

> Pallavi Aggarwal

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:52 PM

> [vedic astrology] TIME TO GO HOME: Criminal at early age

>

>

> Hi All Members and Learned Members,

>

> First of all, my intension is not to offend or insult any one. I Just

>want to convey something. NOW.

>

> The person I presented as CRIMINAL is actually

> 1) Working in MNC at very good/reputed and Highly paid job.

> 2) Married completely according to parents wishes.

> 3) Very soft spoken and cute looking.

> 4) DEVOTEE of Lord KRSNA, offers prayers everyday, regularly.

> 5) Pure vaishnav vegetarian, with occaissional onion/garlic.

> 6) Simplest life-style of whole family, though everyone is earning

>well.

> 7) Calm and quite, never boasting.

>

> In short he is exactly OPPOSITE to what YOU learned GURUS, have made

>him.

>

> Now, try to understand, You don't go by general analysis, rather take

>for granted what the person is saying. Some Astrologer once said to me,

>"First lesson of astrology is, don't look at the present state of person OR

>what he is saying. Judge him ONLY from kundali. He may be looking, but a

>millionaire actually." He said Kundali is most powerful Device, so TRUST

>only kundali and not the person sitting in front of you.

>

> Similarily, I know, if I would have given you some CRIMINAL's kundali

>and presented as Holyman, YOU, would have given your analysis supporting

>that also. PLEASE, GENERALIZE and REVISE your techniquea. WAKE-UP, YOU ARE

>NEEDED, BUTIN UNBIASED STATE, WHERE YOU ARE DRIVEN ONLY BY KUNDALI.

>

> In last few months, YOU just give analysis according, how the person

>present himself/herself. YOU don't look weather person deserve it or not.

>FOR EXAMPLE:-

>

> EXAMPLE 1:----

> Some Mrs. Sudha sent a mail that her husband beats her. Everyone

>sympathised. DID anyone looked at her : ***** Debilitated Venus in 12th

>with 8th lord Mars******

> what do YOU say about her sexual desires and gynaecological problems.

>His husband seems comparetively better then her. Don't you think she is

>HIDING something. There is definitely something wrong on her part also.

>

> EXAMPLE 2:-

> Some Raghu, working in IBM call centre, was blaming his 2 girlfriend

>of being low in character. Everyone answered in his support. DID anyone

>asked about HIS character, That wot he is doing with 2 girls. A male is

>permitted to have more then 1 girl without a questionable character, And a

>girl can't even laugh with 2 boys

>

> DONT u think there is a need of UNBIASED analysis, IRRESPECTIVE of WHO

>sent the mail.

>

> I am an amateur, and wanted to show you some kundalis, BUT this

>incident shows YOU dont have a general UNBIASED INSIGHT.

>

> Now please REALISE the mistake, INSTEAD of ABUSING me, or JUSTIFYING

>yourself with some EXCUSES. There are many people who needs your UNBIASED

>ADVISE.

>

> Thanks

>

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aum namo bhagavate vasudevaya

 

dear surendranathan

 

"In contrast numerous opinions on this message board just have an

abundance

> of conclusions and suggestions but little to support how that

conclusion was

> arrived at"

 

i disagree with the above statement of yours. Hope you regularly read

the messages in the group.Almost every member is posting his

suggestions and conclusions with their analysis based on rules taught

in different schools of astrology(wheter they are correct or wrong is

a different topic).I think pallavi has made a different point i.e

astrologer should not be biased with the information given by client.

 

with regards

ram