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Dear Chandrashekhar,

I can't find the old messages which you posted. Could you please

give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with the source you

mention, or give it once more? I would be interested to know.

Thank you

Graham

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> Dear Prafulla,

> I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the source of this

use on

> the list many times so shall not repeat.

> Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Graham,

Here is it once again. beginning from first line the shloka uses

Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font to read the

Devanagari script.

dEv}ivlas

daivajïaviläsa

saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala

;'zItyí,

saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä ñaìaçétayaçca|

ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR

kyiNtyaNÔ<.

çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva kayantiyändraà||

ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù khalu sävanena|

na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä yurapi prajänam||

Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from Naakshtramaana.

Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by Chandra Mana. Solar

months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by Savanamana.

Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

I can't find the old messages which you posted. Could you please

give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with the source you

mention, or give it once more? I would be interested to know.

Thank you

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Prafulla,

> I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the source of this

use on

> the list many times so shall not repeat.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so I can't

match up many of the words in what I suppose is the translation at

the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari font but

can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You don't say

where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose that the

Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs like wife,

progeny?

Thanks for any further help you have time for.

Graham

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> Here is it once again. beginning from first line the shloka uses

> Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font to read the

> Devanagari script.

> dEv}ivlas

> daivajïaviläsa

> saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala ;'zItyí,

> saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä ñaìaçétayaçca|

> ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR kyiNtyaNÔ<.

> çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva kayantiyändraà||

> ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

> strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù khalu sävanena|

> na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

> näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä yurapi prajänam||

>

> Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from Naakshtramaana.

> Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by Chandra Mana.

Solar

> months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by Savanamana.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > I can't find the old messages which you posted. Could you please

> > give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with the source

you

> > mention, or give it once more? I would be interested to know.

> > Thank you

> > Graham

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the source of

this

> > use on

> > > the list many times so shall not repeat.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

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Dear Graham,

If you read the second line the name of the classic from which the

shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are from "Daivagya

Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear. Similar shloka

is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or not is our own

decision.

But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that 365 and odd

day year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

 

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so I can't

match up many of the words in what I suppose is the translation at

the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari font but

can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You don't say

where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose that the

Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs like wife,

progeny?

Thanks for any further help you have time for.

Graham

vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46>

wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> Here is it once again. beginning from first line the shloka uses

> Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font to read the

> Devanagari script.

> dEv}ivlas

> daivajïaviläsa

> saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala ;'zItyí,

> saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä ñaìaçétayaçca|

> ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR kyiNtyaNÔ<.

> çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva kayantiyändraà||

> ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

> strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù khalu sävanena|

> na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

> näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä yurapi prajänam||

>

> Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from Naakshtramaana.

> Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by Chandra Mana.

Solar

> months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by Savanamana.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > I can't find the old messages which you posted. Could you

please

> > give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with the

source

you

> > mention, or give it once more? I would be interested to know.

> > Thank you

> > Graham

> > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46>

wrote:

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the source

of

this

> > use on

> > > the list many times so shall not repeat.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to work

better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days. The

supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which says that

the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal return of

the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika, 19.4).

Best wishes

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> If you read the second line the name of the classic from which the

> shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

from "Daivagya

> Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear. Similar

shloka

> is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or not is

our own

> decision.

>

> But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that 365 and

odd day

> year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so I can't

> > match up many of the words in what I suppose is the translation

at

> > the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari font but

> > can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You don't

say

> > where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose that the

> > Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs like

wife,

> > progeny?

> > Thanks for any further help you have time for.

> > Graham

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Graham,

> > > Here is it once again. beginning from first line the shloka

uses

> > > Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font to read

the

> > > Devanagari script.

> > > dEv}ivlas

> > > daivajïaviläsa

> > > saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala ;'zItyí,

> > > saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä ñaìaçétayaçca|

> > > ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR kyiNtyaNÔ<.

> > > çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva kayantiyändraà||

> > > ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

> > > strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù khalu sävanena|

> > > na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

> > > näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä yurapi prajänam||

> > >

> > > Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from

Naakshtramaana.

> > > Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by Chandra

Mana.

> > Solar

> > > months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by

Savanamana.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > I can't find the old messages which you posted. Could you

please

> > > > give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with the

source

> > you

> > > > mention, or give it once more? I would be interested to know.

> > > > Thank you

> > > > Graham

> > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the source of

> > this

> > > > use on

> > > > > the list many times so shall not repeat.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Graham,

Jyotish has always considered a day to be from Sunrise to next day's

Sunrise, which is what is Savana day. There is no confusion about what

is to be treated as a day, so far as I know. The traditional time

measurement of birth is on the basis of Ghatis past Sunrise. Then it

is said:

"A year has 360 days, a year has 720 days and nights

together." Aitareya Brahmana 7.17 (BJS vol. 1, p. 20.)

Talking of Vedic Jyotish, I think, Aitareya Brahmana and Narada Samhita

have to be respected more.But one is free to have his own

interpretation of what should constitute a day.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to work

better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days. The

supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which says that

the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal return of

the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika, 19.4).

Best wishes

Graham

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<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> If you read the second line the name of the classic from which the

> shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

from "Daivagya

> Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear. Similar

shloka

> is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or not is

our own

> decision.

>

> But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that 365 and

odd day

> year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so I

can't

> > match up many of the words in what I suppose is the

translation

at

> > the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari font

but

> > can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You

don't

say

> > where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose that

the

> > Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs

like

wife,

> > progeny?

> > Thanks for any further help you have time for.

> > Graham

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Graham,

> > > Here is it once again. beginning from first line the

shloka

uses

> > > Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font

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> > > Devanagari script.

> > > dEv}ivlas

> > > daivajïaviläsa

> > > saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala ;'zItyí,

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> > > strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù khalu

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> > >

> > > Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from

Naakshtramaana.

> > > Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by

Chandra

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> > Solar

> > > months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by

Savanamana.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Graham Fox wrote:

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> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > I can't find the old messages which you posted.

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the

source

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interested to know.

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> > > > Graham

> > > > vedic astrology,

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> > > > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you, this quote is quite clear and unambiguous. Of course I

agree that a day is from sunrise to sunrise, and I also agree with

your use of the savana year. I was simply pointing out that the

365.25 day year is often justified by its supporters with reference

to Mantreswara. I am not in a position to say if for astrology

Aitareya Brahmana and Narada Samhita have to be respected more than

the Phaladipika, but it's reassuring to have their support!

Graham

 

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<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> Jyotish has always considered a day to be from Sunrise to next

day's

> Sunrise, which is what is Savana day. There is no confusion about

what

> is to be treated as a day, so far as I know. The traditional time

> measurement of birth is on the basis of Ghatis past Sunrise. Then

it is

> said:

>

> "A year has 360 days, a year has 720 days and nights together."

> /Aitareya Brahmana/ 7.17 (BJS vol. 1, p. 20.)

>

>

> Talking of Vedic Jyotish, I think, Aitareya Brahmana and Narada

Samhita

> have to be respected more.But one is free to have his own

interpretation

> of what should constitute a day.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to work

> > better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

> > anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days. The

> > supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which says

that

> > the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal

return of

> > the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika, 19.4).

> > Best wishes

> > Graham

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Graham,

> > > If you read the second line the name of the classic from which

the

> > > shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

> > from "Daivagya

> > > Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear.

Similar

> > shloka

> > > is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or not is

> > our own

> > > decision.

> > >

> > > But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that 365 and

> > odd day

> > > year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so I

can't

> > > > match up many of the words in what I suppose is the

translation

> > at

> > > > the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari font

but

> > > > can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You

don't

> > say

> > > > where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose

that the

> > > > Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs

like

> > wife,

> > > > progeny?

> > > > Thanks for any further help you have time for.

> > > > Graham

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > Here is it once again. beginning from first line the shloka

> > uses

> > > > > Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font to

read

> > the

> > > > > Devanagari script.

> > > > > dEv}ivlas

> > > > > daivajïaviläsa

> > > > > saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala ;'zItyí,

> > > > > saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä ñaìaçétayaçca|

> > > > > ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR kyiNtyaNÔ<.

> > > > > çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva

kayantiyändraà||

> > > > > ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

> > > > > strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù khalu sävanena|

> > > > > na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

> > > > > näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä yurapi

prajänam||

> > > > >

> > > > > Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from

> > Naakshtramaana.

> > > > > Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by Chandra

> > Mana.

> > > > Solar

> > > > > months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by

> > Savanamana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > I can't find the old messages which you posted. Could you

> > please

> > > > > > give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with the

> > source

> > > > you

> > > > > > mention, or give it once more? I would be interested to

know.

> > > > > > Thank you

> > > > > > Graham

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the

source of

> > > > this

> > > > > > use on

> > > > > > > the list many times so shall not repeat.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

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An afterthought -- I don't think anyone disagrees about what

constitutes a day, the disagreement is about what constitutes a year

(for traditional astrological purposes). Your quote from the

Aitareya Brahmana may indeed help in this respect.

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> Jyotish has always considered a day to be from Sunrise to next

day's

> Sunrise, which is what is Savana day. There is no confusion about

what

> is to be treated as a day, so far as I know. The traditional time

> measurement of birth is on the basis of Ghatis past Sunrise. Then

it is

> said:

>

> "A year has 360 days, a year has 720 days and nights together."

> /Aitareya Brahmana/ 7.17 (BJS vol. 1, p. 20.)

>

>

> Talking of Vedic Jyotish, I think, Aitareya Brahmana and Narada

Samhita

> have to be respected more.But one is free to have his own

interpretation

> of what should constitute a day.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to work

> > better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

> > anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days. The

> > supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which says

that

> > the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal

return of

> > the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika, 19.4).

> > Best wishes

> > Graham

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Graham,

> > > If you read the second line the name of the classic from which

the

> > > shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

> > from "Daivagya

> > > Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear.

Similar

> > shloka

> > > is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or not is

> > our own

> > > decision.

> > >

> > > But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that 365 and

> > odd day

> > > year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so I

can't

> > > > match up many of the words in what I suppose is the

translation

> > at

> > > > the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari font

but

> > > > can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You

don't

> > say

> > > > where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose

that the

> > > > Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs

like

> > wife,

> > > > progeny?

> > > > Thanks for any further help you have time for.

> > > > Graham

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > Here is it once again. beginning from first line the shloka

> > uses

> > > > > Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font to

read

> > the

> > > > > Devanagari script.

> > > > > dEv}ivlas

> > > > > daivajïaviläsa

> > > > > saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala ;'zItyí,

> > > > > saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä ñaìaçétayaçca|

> > > > > ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR kyiNtyaNÔ<.

> > > > > çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva

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> > > > > ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

> > > > > strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù khalu sävanena|

> > > > > na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

> > > > > näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä yurapi

prajänam||

> > > > >

> > > > > Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from

> > Naakshtramaana.

> > > > > Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by Chandra

> > Mana.

> > > > Solar

> > > > > months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by

> > Savanamana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

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> > > > > > Thank you

> > > > > > Graham

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

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> > > > > > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the

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Dear Graham,

If we are talking about Vedic astrology, they have to be. If that is

not the case, then the field is wide open.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you, this quote is quite clear and unambiguous. Of course I

agree that a day is from sunrise to sunrise, and I also agree with

your use of the savana year. I was simply pointing out that the

365.25 day year is often justified by its supporters with reference

to Mantreswara. I am not in a position to say if for astrology

Aitareya Brahmana and Narada Samhita have to be respected more than

the Phaladipika, but it's reassuring to have their support!

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> Jyotish has always considered a day to be from Sunrise to next

day's

> Sunrise, which is what is Savana day. There is no confusion about

what

> is to be treated as a day, so far as I know. The traditional time

> measurement of birth is on the basis of Ghatis past Sunrise. Then

it is

> said:

>

> "A year has 360 days, a year has 720 days and nights together."

> /Aitareya Brahmana/ 7.17 (BJS vol. 1, p. 20.)

>

>

> Talking of Vedic Jyotish, I think, Aitareya Brahmana and Narada

Samhita

> have to be respected more.But one is free to have his own

interpretation

> of what should constitute a day.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to

work

> > better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

> > anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days. The

> > supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which

says

that

> > the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal

return of

> > the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika,

19.4).

> > Best wishes

> > Graham

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Graham,

> > > If you read the second line the name of the classic from

which

the

> > > shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

> > from "Daivagya

> > > Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear.

Similar

> > shloka

> > > is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or

not is

> > our own

> > > decision.

> > >

> > > But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that

365 and

> > odd day

> > > year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY

limited, so I

can't

> > > > match up many of the words in what I suppose is the

translation

> > at

> > > > the end with those in the slokas (I do have

devanagari font

but

> > > > can't read it, I have to rely on the

transcriptions). You

don't

> > say

> > > > where these slokas are taken from. And are we to

suppose

that the

> > > > Savana year is only to be used for judging family

affairs

like

> > wife,

> > > > progeny?

> > > > Thanks for any further help you have time for.

> > > > Graham

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > Here is it once again. beginning from first

line the shloka

> > uses

> > > > > Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to

that font to

read

> > the

> > > > > Devanagari script.

> > > > > dEv}ivlas

> > > > > daivajïaviläsa

> > > > > saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala

;'zItyí,

> > > > > saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä

ñaìaçétayaçca|

> > > > > ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR

kyiNtyaNÔ<.

> > > > > çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva

kayantiyändraà||

> > > > > ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

> > > > > strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù

khalu sävanena|

> > > > > na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

> > > > > näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä

yurapi

prajänam||

> > > > >

> > > > > Cloud formation and age of the person be seen

from

> > Naakshtramaana.

> > > > > Rituals according to scriptures, days for

travel by Chandra

> > Mana.

> > > > Solar

> > > > > months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be

seen by

> > Savanamana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > I can't find the old messages which you

posted. Could you

> > please

> > > > > > give the reference numbers to the ones

dealing with the

> > source

> > > > you

> > > > > > mention, or give it once more? I would be

interested to

know.

> > > > > > Thank you

> > > > > > Graham

> > > > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I

have given the

source of

> > > > this

> > > > > > use on

> > > > > > > the list many times so shall not

repeat.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Graham,

There are different years and days in Vedic astrology. There is also a

360 days Solar day.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

An afterthought -- I don't think anyone disagrees about what

constitutes a day, the disagreement is about what constitutes a year

(for traditional astrological purposes). Your quote from the

Aitareya Brahmana may indeed help in this respect.

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> Jyotish has always considered a day to be from Sunrise to next

day's

> Sunrise, which is what is Savana day. There is no confusion about

what

> is to be treated as a day, so far as I know. The traditional time

> measurement of birth is on the basis of Ghatis past Sunrise. Then

it is

> said:

>

> "A year has 360 days, a year has 720 days and nights together."

> /Aitareya Brahmana/ 7.17 (BJS vol. 1, p. 20.)

>

>

> Talking of Vedic Jyotish, I think, Aitareya Brahmana and Narada

Samhita

> have to be respected more.But one is free to have his own

interpretation

> of what should constitute a day.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to

work

> > better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

> > anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days. The

> > supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which

says

that

> > the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal

return of

> > the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika,

19.4).

> > Best wishes

> > Graham

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Graham,

> > > If you read the second line the name of the classic from

which

the

> > > shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

> > from "Daivagya

> > > Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear.

Similar

> > shloka

> > > is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or

not is

> > our own

> > > decision.

> > >

> > > But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that

365 and

> > odd day

> > > year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY

limited, so I

can't

> > > > match up many of the words in what I suppose is the

translation

> > at

> > > > the end with those in the slokas (I do have

devanagari font

but

> > > > can't read it, I have to rely on the

transcriptions). You

don't

> > say

> > > > where these slokas are taken from. And are we to

suppose

that the

> > > > Savana year is only to be used for judging family

affairs

like

> > wife,

> > > > progeny?

> > > > Thanks for any further help you have time for.

> > > > Graham

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > Here is it once again. beginning from first

line the shloka

> > uses

> > > > > Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to

that font to

read

> > the

> > > > > Devanagari script.

> > > > > dEv}ivlas

> > > > > daivajïaviläsa

> > > > > saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala

;'zItyí,

> > > > > saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä

ñaìaçétayaçca|

> > > > > ïuitSm&it àae´ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR

kyiNtyaNÔ<.

> > > > > çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva

kayantiyändraà||

> > > > > ôIgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

> > > > > strégarbha çudhyägama sütakädi kälävabodhaù

khalu sävanena|

> > > > > na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

> > > > > näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä

yurapi

prajänam||

> > > > >

> > > > > Cloud formation and age of the person be seen

from

> > Naakshtramaana.

> > > > > Rituals according to scriptures, days for

travel by Chandra

> > Mana.

> > > > Solar

> > > > > months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be

seen by

> > Savanamana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > I can't find the old messages which you

posted. Could you

> > please

> > > > > > give the reference numbers to the ones

dealing with the

> > source

> > > > you

> > > > > > mention, or give it once more? I would be

interested to

know.

> > > > > > Thank you

> > > > > > Graham

> > > > > > vedic astrology,

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> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I

have given the

source of

> > > > this

> > > > > > use on

> > > > > > > the list many times so shall not

repeat.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

If I understand you correctly, a savana year is made up of 360

sunrise-to-sunset (savana) days, and should, in your opinion, be

used for calculating dasas (I agree). You distinguish this "savana

day" from a "solar day" -- would that be the sidereal day, ie. the

time it takes the earth to rotate, which is 23h56m4s? In astronomy,

there are three options: either this sidereal day, or what is

usually called the "true solar day"(the time between two passages of

the sun over the MC, which averages out at the same as the sunrise-

to-sunset day, but has the added advantage of being calculable for

places in the arctic circle, where the sun never rises in winter,

but does pass over the meridian line each "day"), and the modern

civil "mean" day of 24 hours, adopted simply for convenience. I've

thus just realised that when I select a 360 day option in a sidereal

computer program, I don't actually know whether it is calculating

the sidereal days or variable "true solar days" (which as I say, I

think are in essence the same thing as the savana day).

But even if there are slightly different days in use, I still think

that the main disagreement amongst astrologers (not just Indian,

also those in the West sudying ancient Greek astrology, etc) is

about the length of the year (ie. how many days in a year?). Indeed,

xcept for "centre of sun/edge of sun" options, I've never seen a

computer program (eg. JH) offering me a choice of what day to use.

If this exchange is getting boring for you, just let me know: for

the time being, I'm very happy with the results I'm getting using

the 360 "day" option in Jagannatha Hora or in Parashara's Light! I

am also, personally, quite happy to accept the authority of Aitareya

Brahmana over that of Phaladipika. I don't know if everyone would

agree, however, as a lot of techniques currently in use in Indian

astrology are thought by many to be post-Vedic.

Best wishes

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Graham,

> There are different years and days in Vedic astrology. There is

also a

> 360 days Solar day.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Graham Fox wrote:

>

> >

> > An afterthought -- I don't think anyone disagrees about what

> > constitutes a day, the disagreement is about what constitutes a

year

> > (for traditional astrological purposes). Your quote from the

> > Aitareya Brahmana may indeed help in this respect.

> > Graham

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Graham,

> > > Jyotish has always considered a day to be from Sunrise to next

> > day's

> > > Sunrise, which is what is Savana day. There is no confusion

about

> > what

> > > is to be treated as a day, so far as I know. The traditional

time

> > > measurement of birth is on the basis of Ghatis past Sunrise.

Then

> > it is

> > > said:

> > >

> > > "A year has 360 days, a year has 720 days and nights together."

> > > /Aitareya Brahmana/ 7.17 (BJS vol. 1, p. 20.)

> > >

> > >

> > > Talking of Vedic Jyotish, I think, Aitareya Brahmana and Narada

> > Samhita

> > > have to be respected more.But one is free to have his own

> > interpretation

> > > of what should constitute a day.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to

work

> > > > better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

> > > > anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days.

The

> > > > supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which

says

> > that

> > > > the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal

> > return of

> > > > the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika,

19.4).

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Graham

> > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > If you read the second line the name of the classic from

which

> > the

> > > > > shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

> > > > from "Daivagya

> > > > > Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear.

> > Similar

> > > > shloka

> > > > > is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or

not is

> > > > our own

> > > > > decision.

> > > > >

> > > > > But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that

365 and

> > > > odd day

> > > > > year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so

I

> > can't

> > > > > > match up many of the words in what I suppose is the

> > translation

> > > > at

> > > > > > the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari

font

> > but

> > > > > > can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You

> > don't

> > > > say

> > > > > > where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose

> > that the

> > > > > > Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs

> > like

> > > > wife,

> > > > > > progeny?

> > > > > > Thanks for any further help you have time for.

> > > > > > Graham

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > > > Here is it once again. beginning from first line the

shloka

> > > > uses

> > > > > > > Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font

to

> > read

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Devanagari script.

> > > > > > > dEv}ivlas

> > > > > > > daivajïaviläsa

> > > > > > > saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S³iNt kala ;'zItyí,

> > > > > > > saureëa rätridivayoù pramäëaà skranti kälä

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from

> > > > Naakshtramaana.

> > > > > > > Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by

Chandra

> > > > Mana.

> > > > > > Solar

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> > > > Savanamana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Graham Fox wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > > I can't find the old messages which you posted.

Could you

> > > > please

> > > > > > > > give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with

the

> > > > source

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > mention, or give it once more? I would be interested

to

> > know.

> > > > > > > > Thank you

> > > > > > > > Graham

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the

> > source of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > use on

> > > > > > > > > the list many times so shall not repeat.

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Dear Graham,

No it is Sunrise to next day's Sunrise. You can open the dasha tab and

right click on dasha displayed. You will get options to use like 365

days Longitude based days etc. under definitions to use for Dashas, use

360 Savana days option, in J Hora software.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,

If I understand you correctly, a savana year is made up of 360 sunrise-to-sunset

(savana) days, and should, in your opinion, be used for calculating dasas (I

agree). You distinguish this "savana day" from a "solar day" -- would that be

the sidereal day, ie. the time it takes the earth to rotate, which is 23h56m4s?

In astronomy, there are three options: either this sidereal day, or what is

usually called the "true solar day"(the time between two passages of the sun

over the MC, which averages out at the same as the sunrise-

to-sunset day, but has the added advantage of being calculable for places in the

arctic circle, where the sun never rises in winter, but does pass over the

meridian line each "day"), and the modern civil "mean" day of 24 hours, adopted

simply for convenience. I've thus just realised that when I select a 360 day

option in a sidereal computer program, I don't actually know whether it is

calculating the sidereal days or variable "true solar days" (which as I say, I

think are in essence the same thing as the savana day). But even if there are

slightly different days in use, I still think that the main disagreement

amongst astrologers (not just Indian, also those in the West sudying ancient

Greek astrology, etc) is about the length of the year (ie. how many days in a

year?). Indeed, xcept for "centre of sun/edge of sun" options, I've never seen

a computer program (eg. JH) offering me a choice of what day to use.

If this exchange is getting boring for you, just let me know: for the time

being, I'm very happy with the results I'm getting using the 360 "day" option

in Jagannatha Hora or in Parashara's Light! I am also, personally, quite happy

to accept the authority of Aitareya Brahmana over that of Phaladipika. I don't

know if everyone would agree, however, as a lot of techniques currently in use

in Indian astrology are thought by many to be post-Vedic.

Best wishes

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

Dear Graham,

There are different years and days in Vedic astrology. There is

also a

360 days Solar day.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

An afterthought -- I don't think anyone disagrees about what

constitutes a day, the disagreement is about what constitutes a

year

(for traditional astrological purposes). Your quote from the

Aitareya Brahmana may indeed help in this respect.

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

Dear Graham,

Jyotish has always considered a day to be from Sunrise to next

day's

Sunrise, which is what is Savana day. There is no confusion

about

what

is to be treated as a day, so far as I know. The traditional

time

measurement of birth is on the basis of Ghatis past Sunrise.

Then

it is

said:

"A year has 360 days, a year has 720 days and nights together."

/Aitareya Brahmana/ 7.17 (BJS vol. 1, p. 20.)

Talking of Vedic Jyotish, I think, Aitareya Brahmana and Narada

Samhita

have to be respected more.But one is free to have his own

interpretation

of what should constitute a day.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you. I quite agree that that the savana year seems to

work

better, and so I am currently using it, and no ancient sloka

anywhere specifically says to use "365.24-and-a-bit" days.

The

supporters of that year often quote the Phaladipika, which

says

that

the year in ududasa should be calculated from the sidereal

return of

the Sun, and the days calculated therefrom (Phaladipika,

19.4).

Best wishes

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

Dear Graham,

If you read the second line the name of the classic from

which

the

shloka is given is very clearly given. The shlokas are

from "Daivagya

Vilas", and what the shloka mentions is also very clear.

Similar

shloka

is also there in Narada Samhita. Whether we follow it or

not is

our own

decision.

But then if we think about it, where is the shloka that

365 and

odd day

year should be used for predictions? Think about this.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you for the quote. My Sanskrit is VERY limited, so

I

can't

match up many of the words in what I suppose is the

translation

at

the end with those in the slokas (I do have devanagari

font

but

can't read it, I have to rely on the transcriptions). You

don't

say

where these slokas are taken from. And are we to suppose

that the

Savana year is only to be used for judging family affairs

like

wife,

progeny?

Thanks for any further help you have time for.

Graham

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

Dear Graham,

Here is it once again. beginning from first line the

shloka

uses

Sanskrit99 fonts.You can format the lines to that font

to

read

the

Devanagari script.

dEv}ivlas

daivajïaviläsa

saEre[ raiÇidvyae> àma[< S�iNt kala ;'zItyí,

saureëa rätridivayo� pramäëaà skranti kälä

ñaìaçétayaçca|

ïuitSm&it àae�ivx< ivvah< yaÇaidsvR kyiNtyaNÔ<.

çrutismåti proktavidhaà vivähaà yäträdisarva

kayantiyändraà||

�IgÉR zuXyagm sUtkaid kalavbaex> olu savnen,

strégarbha çudhyägama s�takädi kälävabodha� khalu

sävanena|

na]ÇÉanen tu me"gÉaRiNvinidRzeda yurip àjanm!.

näkñatrabhänena tu meghagarbhänvinirdiçedä yurapi

prajänam||

Cloud formation and age of the person be seen from

Naakshtramaana.

Rituals according to scriptures, days for travel by

Chandra

Mana.

Solar

months from Saur Mana. Wife progeny etc to be seen by

Savanamana.

Chandrashekhar.

Graham Fox wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,

I can't find the old messages which you posted.

Could you

please

give the reference numbers to the ones dealing with

the

source

you

mention, or give it once more? I would be interested

to

know.

Thank you

Graham

vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

Dear Prafulla,

I use 360 days Savana regularly. I have given the

source of

this

use on

the list many times so shall not repeat.

Chandrashekhar.

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