Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Accident schematic)

>

>

March 18, 2005

Thanks Panditji...I understand your argument but it would be far

fetched to do research and verify whether any principle of analyzing

is consistent before one starts applying to charts. Wouldn't it be

far easier to interpret based on some expert's guidance who has more

experience in this field.

And if I have to look for principles developed by B.V Raman can you

point me to the correct reference (book).

Thanks,

Mike

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me if

they

> have been tested on tons of charts. To begin with the divisionals

came

> into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time one

> calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would have

> been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years and I

> don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

applicability

> in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two

charts

> where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the great cold

> north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

>

> New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is already

known.

> On this list some time back one had an example of father's death.

For

> that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now why ? Why

> not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd from 9th

> from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does not find

> it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-12. It

> can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12 rashis

and I

> am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of the

known

> event will be there in one of those.

>

> My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent cases.Then

make

> it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart you

> have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

developed

> by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me they

work

> in majority of cases

>

> ...

>

> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01 <mtravass@t...>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi Narasimha,

> >

> > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something else.

> >

> > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

running

> > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> >

> > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I was

> > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> >

> > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> >

> > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your

email

> > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did not

state.

> >

> > Could you assist here?

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > November 14, 1963

> > Time: 14:03:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > Margao, Goa, India

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> >

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > -

> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > >

> > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > >

> > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under this.

> > > >

> > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas (combinations) in

D16

> > > >

> > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be taken

in

> > D16.

> > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

respectively,

> > in D16 they

> > > > will show for matters related to cars and other sukha.

> > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > >

> > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned above.

> > >

> > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential problem

sign.

> > >

> > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

Machilipatnam,

> > India

> > >

> > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

(EST),

> > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > >

> > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta antardasa. In

my

> > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord Mercury

and

> > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

vehicle.

> > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing problems in

> > sukha.

> > >

> > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana dasa

> > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

seershodaya

> > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its lord

Venus

> > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results in

the

> > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

occupants

> > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus,

Rahu,

> > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the last

one-

> > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these 4

planets

> > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign is

given

> > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

sthana

> > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-period in

> > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have an

> > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

suffered

> > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a parking

lot.

> > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After these

> > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought another

new

> > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving the

> > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the antardasa

was

> > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > >

> > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > >

> > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

rising,

> > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and Ketu.

Saturn-

> > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was running

from

> > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > >

> > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

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March 18, 2005

Namaste,

Just checking your kundali.

Did you get married in 1991 -1993 period. All those periods guru-ravi,

guru-chandra and guru-mangal can give marraige. Good chances are in

guru-sun . Are you living in a foreign country ? If yes, did you

migrate because of your spouse ? Do you have technical education ?

Now to your accidents, you had them in guru-rahu. Guru is in 6th from

chandra and rahu just like mangal can cause accudents if there are

othe rindications supporting it. Shani is aspecting guru who is in 6th

from chandra from the fourth house. Rahu is aspected by mangal. Now

why no acciddent in guru-mangal ? that would be 1993..That would be a

puzzle that needs to be peeled. How was the 1993 period for you.

Mangal in 10th as 10th lord should have given you good prospects in

career as it is also with 5th lord budh and the combination is blessed

by aspect of guru and is with shukra.

Please let me know

....

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:08:29 -0000, mikefranc01 <mtravass wrote:

>

> A correcion the first accident was in March 1995 and I was running Cn-

> Vi.

>

> Mike

> vedic astrology, "mikefranc01" <mtravass@t...>

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Narasimha,

> >

> > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something else.

> >

> > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was running

> > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> >

> > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I was

> > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> >

> > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> >

> > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your email

> > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did not

> state.

> >

> > Could you assist here?

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > November 14, 1963

> > Time: 14:03:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > Margao, Goa, India

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > -

> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > >

> > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > >

> > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under this.

> > > >

> > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas (combinations) in D16

> > > >

> > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be taken

> in

> > D16.

> > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties respectively,

> > in D16 they

> > > > will show for matters related to cars and other sukha.

> > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > >

> > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned above.

> > >

> > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential problem sign.

> > >

> > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam,

> > India

> > >

> > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm (EST),

> > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > >

> > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta antardasa. In

> my

> > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord Mercury

> and

> > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a vehicle.

> > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing problems in

> > sukha.

> > >

> > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana dasa

> > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a seershodaya

> > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its lord

> Venus

> > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results in the

> > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of occupants

> > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus, Rahu,

> > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the last one-

> > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these 4

> planets

> > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign is

> given

> > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka sthana

> > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-period in

> > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have an

> > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997 suffered

> > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a parking

> lot.

> > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After these

> > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought another

> new

> > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving the

> > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the antardasa

> was

> > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > >

> > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > >

> > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> rising,

> > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and Ketu.

> Saturn-

> > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was running

> from

> > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > >

> > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

>

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March 18, 2005

Namaste Panditji,

> Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me if

> they have been tested on tons of charts.

As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles, idioms,

patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to testing! On

what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles have not

been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that these

principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no principles

work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

probable that the chart could need some rectification. One should

have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the matter,

then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> To begin with the divisionals came

> into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time one

> calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would have

> been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years and I

> don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> applicability

> in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two

charts

> where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the great cold

> north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since the

days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and gave

meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that we can

pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to do???

Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt Sanjay

Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you would be

surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence, they

would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the times,

these charts are prepared in advance.

Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely a lot

on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa, we

better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not lagna,

then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to come up

with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC is

in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal process

for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming years!

Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

>

> New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is already

known.

> On this list some time back one had an example of father's death.

For

> that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now why ? Why

> not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd from

9th

> from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does not

find

> it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-12. It

> can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12 rashis

and I

> am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of the

known

> event will be there in one of those.

I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up with

idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if even

you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

beating around the bush!

>

> My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent cases.Then

make

> it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart you

> have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

developed

> by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me they

work

> in majority of cases

>

Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of probability,

like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is high

and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event, these

principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may be

statistacally valid!!

Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak caused

birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

inadequate research!

Warm Regards

Narayan

>

> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01 <mtravass@t...>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi Narasimha,

> >

> > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something else.

> >

> > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

running

> > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> >

> > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I was

> > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> >

> > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> >

> > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your

email

> > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did not

state.

> >

> > Could you assist here?

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > November 14, 1963

> > Time: 14:03:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > Margao, Goa, India

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> >

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > -

> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > >

> > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > >

> > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

this.

> > > >

> > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas (combinations) in

D16

> > > >

> > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

taken in

> > D16.

> > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

respectively,

> > in D16 they

> > > > will show for matters related to cars and other sukha.

> > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > >

> > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned above.

> > >

> > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential problem

sign.

> > >

> > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

Machilipatnam,

> > India

> > >

> > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

(EST),

> > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > >

> > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta antardasa.

In my

> > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

Mercury and

> > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

vehicle.

> > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing problems in

> > sukha.

> > >

> > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana dasa

> > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

seershodaya

> > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its lord

Venus

> > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results in

the

> > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

occupants

> > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus,

Rahu,

> > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the last

one-

> > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these 4

planets

> > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign is

given

> > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

sthana

> > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-period

in

> > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have an

> > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

suffered

> > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a parking

lot.

> > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After these

> > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought another

new

> > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving the

> > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

antardasa was

> > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > >

> > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > >

> > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

rising,

> > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and Ketu.

Saturn-

> > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was running

from

> > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > >

> > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > ------------------------------

-

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> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

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March 18, 2005

Namaste Narayan,

Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has not been

attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of parashar you

must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just had a

conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional came in

vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with one day

of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about

which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he is

in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a

debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was not

to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know his

teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on the

list who say they are beginners just go on and on about divisionals

and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out my

opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements about

whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction, all

the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach that has

worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not forcing

any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught by great

astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why should

you or anyone feel threatened by it.

People ask questions on this list and if I have time and inclination I

answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have to put

my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not

criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if I

have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my opinion. Let

the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your methods may

be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there

views on the subject.

Regards

....

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

<narayan.iyer wrote:

>

> Namaste Panditji,

>

> > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me if

> > they have been tested on tons of charts.

>

> As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles, idioms,

> patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to testing! On

> what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles have not

> been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that these

> principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no principles

> work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> probable that the chart could need some rectification. One should

> have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the matter,

> then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

>

> > To begin with the divisionals came

> > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time one

> > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would have

> > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years and I

> > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > applicability

> > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two

> charts

> > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the great cold

> > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

>

> For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since the

> days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and gave

> meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that we can

> pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to do???

>

> Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt Sanjay

> Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you would be

> surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence, they

> would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the times,

> these charts are prepared in advance.

>

> Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

> Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely a lot

> on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa, we

> better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

> way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not lagna,

> then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

>

> Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to come up

> with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC is

> in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal process

> for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming years!

>

> Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

>

> >

> > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is already

> known.

> > On this list some time back one had an example of father's death.

> For

> > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now why ? Why

> > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd from

> 9th

> > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does not

> find

> > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-12. It

> > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12 rashis

> and I

> > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of the

> known

> > event will be there in one of those.

>

> I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

> have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up with

> idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if even

> you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

> beating around the bush!

>

> >

> > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent cases.Then

> make

> > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart you

> > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

> developed

> > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me they

> work

> > in majority of cases

> >

>

> Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of probability,

> like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is high

> and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event, these

> principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may be

> statistacally valid!!

>

> Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak caused

> birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> inadequate research!

>

> Warm Regards

> Narayan

>

> >

> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01 <mtravass@t...>

>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Narasimha,

> > >

> > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something else.

> > >

> > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> running

> > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > >

> > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I was

> > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > >

> > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > >

> > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your

> email

> > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did not

> state.

> > >

> > > Could you assist here?

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > > November 14, 1963

> > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > Margao, Goa, India

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > >

> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > -

> > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > >

> > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

> this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas (combinations) in

> D16

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> taken in

> > > D16.

> > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> respectively,

> > > in D16 they

> > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other sukha.

> > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned above.

> > > >

> > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential problem

> sign.

> > > >

> > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> Machilipatnam,

> > > India

> > > >

> > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

> (EST),

> > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > >

> > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta antardasa.

> In my

> > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> Mercury and

> > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> vehicle.

> > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing problems in

> > > sukha.

> > > >

> > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana dasa

> > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> seershodaya

> > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its lord

> Venus

> > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results in

> the

> > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> occupants

> > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus,

> Rahu,

> > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the last

> one-

> > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these 4

> planets

> > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign is

> given

> > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

> sthana

> > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-period

> in

> > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have an

> > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> suffered

> > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a parking

> lot.

> > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After these

> > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought another

> new

> > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving the

> > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> antardasa was

> > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > > >

> > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> rising,

> > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and Ketu.

> Saturn-

> > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was running

> from

> > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > >

> > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

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March 18, 2005

Namaste Panditji,

I was not taking any sides, but letting you know one of the sides,

which I happen to take, and nor was I defending it, I was just

stating some facts, based on classics!

Are you saying, that Parasara and all other classical authors, just

mentioned them so that we can conveniently forget them??? I am sorry

but I dont understand your take on this! FYI, not only Parasara, but

all subsequent authors have talked about vargas!

Your statements make me feel as if Parasara himself told you to

ignore it!!!

The question of being threatened may be your PERCEPTION, just as you

mentioned, I too was putting my opinion on this list, for others to

observe, understand and the freedom to adopt that which they prefer!

I am open to criticism, provided its valid, and not a biased off-

hand flippant observation!

Warm Regards

Narayan

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Narayan,

>

> Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has not

been

> attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of parashar

you

> must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just

had a

> conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

came in

> vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with one

day

> of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about

> which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he

is

> in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a

> debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was

not

> to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know

his

> teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on

the

> list who say they are beginners just go on and on about divisionals

> and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out my

> opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

about

> whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction, all

> the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach that

has

> worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

forcing

> any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught by

great

> astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

should

> you or anyone feel threatened by it.

>

> People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

inclination I

> answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have to

put

> my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not

> criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if I

> have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my opinion.

Let

> the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your methods

may

> be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there

> views on the subject.

>

> Regards

>

> ...

>

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Panditji,

> >

> > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me

if

> > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> >

> > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

idioms,

> > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

testing! On

> > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles have

not

> > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

these

> > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

principles

> > work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

should

> > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

matter,

> > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> >

> > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

one

> > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would

have

> > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years

and I

> > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > applicability

> > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two

> > charts

> > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the great

cold

> > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> >

> > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since

the

> > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

gave

> > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that we

can

> > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to

do???

> >

> > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

Sanjay

> > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

would be

> > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

they

> > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the times,

> > these charts are prepared in advance.

> >

> > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

> > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely a

lot

> > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

we

> > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

> > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

lagna,

> > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> >

> > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

come up

> > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

is

> > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

process

> > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming

years!

> >

> > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> >

> > >

> > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

already

> > known.

> > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

death.

> > For

> > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

why ? Why

> > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

from

> > 9th

> > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

not

> > find

> > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

12. It

> > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

rashis

> > and I

> > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

the

> > known

> > > event will be there in one of those.

> >

> > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

> > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

with

> > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

even

> > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

> > beating around the bush!

> >

> > >

> > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

cases.Then

> > make

> > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart

you

> > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

> > developed

> > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

they

> > work

> > > in majority of cases

> > >

> >

> > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

probability,

> > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is

high

> > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event, these

> > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may be

> > statistacally valid!!

> >

> > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

caused

> > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> > inadequate research!

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Narayan

> >

> > >

> > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

<mtravass@t...>

> >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > >

> > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something

else.

> > > >

> > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > running

> > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > >

> > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I

was

> > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > >

> > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > >

> > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your

> > email

> > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did

not

> > state.

> > > >

> > > > Could you assist here?

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao"

> > > >

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > -

> > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > >

> > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

> > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

(combinations) in

> > D16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > taken in

> > > > D16.

> > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > respectively,

> > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

sukha.

> > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

problem

> > sign.

> > > > >

> > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > Machilipatnam,

> > > > India

> > > > >

> > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

> > (EST),

> > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > >

> > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

antardasa.

> > In my

> > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > Mercury and

> > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > vehicle.

> > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

problems in

> > > > sukha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

dasa

> > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > seershodaya

> > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its

lord

> > Venus

> > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

in

> > the

> > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> > occupants

> > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus,

> > Rahu,

> > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

last

> > one-

> > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

4

> > planets

> > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

is

> > given

> > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

> > sthana

> > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

period

> > in

> > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

an

> > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > suffered

> > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

parking

> > lot.

> > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

these

> > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

another

> > new

> > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving

the

> > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > antardasa was

> > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> > rising,

> > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

Ketu.

> > Saturn-

> > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

running

> > from

> > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > >

> > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

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Dear Panditji,

I have a question (and I do not believe in personalized

arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not give much

of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true that a

large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up with

the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a pauper (

a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

Regards,

Kartik

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Narayan,

>

> Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has not

been

> attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of parashar

you

> must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just

had a

> conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

came in

> vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with one

day

> of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about

> which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he

is

> in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a

> debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was

not

> to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know

his

> teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on

the

> list who say they are beginners just go on and on about divisionals

> and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out my

> opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

about

> whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction, all

> the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach that

has

> worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

forcing

> any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught by

great

> astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

should

> you or anyone feel threatened by it.

>

> People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

inclination I

> answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have to

put

> my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not

> criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if I

> have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my opinion.

Let

> the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your methods

may

> be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there

> views on the subject.

>

> Regards

>

> ...

>

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Panditji,

> >

> > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me

if

> > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> >

> > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

idioms,

> > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

testing! On

> > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles have

not

> > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

these

> > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

principles

> > work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

should

> > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

matter,

> > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> >

> > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

one

> > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would

have

> > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years

and I

> > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > applicability

> > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two

> > charts

> > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the great

cold

> > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> >

> > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since

the

> > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

gave

> > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that we

can

> > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to

do???

> >

> > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

Sanjay

> > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

would be

> > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

they

> > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the times,

> > these charts are prepared in advance.

> >

> > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

> > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely a

lot

> > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

we

> > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

> > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

lagna,

> > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> >

> > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

come up

> > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

is

> > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

process

> > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming

years!

> >

> > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> >

> > >

> > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

already

> > known.

> > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

death.

> > For

> > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

why ? Why

> > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

from

> > 9th

> > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

not

> > find

> > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

12. It

> > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

rashis

> > and I

> > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

the

> > known

> > > event will be there in one of those.

> >

> > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

> > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

with

> > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

even

> > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

> > beating around the bush!

> >

> > >

> > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

cases.Then

> > make

> > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart

you

> > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

> > developed

> > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

they

> > work

> > > in majority of cases

> > >

> >

> > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

probability,

> > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is

high

> > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event, these

> > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may be

> > statistacally valid!!

> >

> > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

caused

> > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> > inadequate research!

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Narayan

> >

> > >

> > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

<mtravass@t...>

> >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > >

> > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something

else.

> > > >

> > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > running

> > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > >

> > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I

was

> > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > >

> > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > >

> > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your

> > email

> > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did

not

> > state.

> > > >

> > > > Could you assist here?

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao"

> > > >

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > -

> > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > >

> > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

> > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

(combinations) in

> > D16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > taken in

> > > > D16.

> > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > respectively,

> > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

sukha.

> > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

problem

> > sign.

> > > > >

> > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > Machilipatnam,

> > > > India

> > > > >

> > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

> > (EST),

> > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > >

> > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

antardasa.

> > In my

> > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > Mercury and

> > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > vehicle.

> > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

problems in

> > > > sukha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

dasa

> > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > seershodaya

> > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its

lord

> > Venus

> > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

in

> > the

> > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> > occupants

> > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus,

> > Rahu,

> > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

last

> > one-

> > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

4

> > planets

> > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

is

> > given

> > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

> > sthana

> > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

period

> > in

> > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

an

> > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > suffered

> > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

parking

> > lot.

> > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

these

> > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

another

> > new

> > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving

the

> > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > antardasa was

> > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> > rising,

> > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

Ketu.

> > Saturn-

> > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

running

> > from

> > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > >

> > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

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March 18, 2005

Namaste Kartik,

Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it trumps all

the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it or the

1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to divisional

and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said to use

it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic argument

about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is a

Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7 axis is

to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors are

adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not going

to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but exalted

in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

strengths ( not THE strength).

Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do not go

formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am happy

if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also I have

seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of

people born on the same day and time and place. This is a conjecture,

go and find hospital records and show me statistical record of how

many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar who

was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh, so that

shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or it was

added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions about

kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart Defaw

mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in quadrant

from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what was said

in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of jyotish and

in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods that have

been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised that

people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past. May be

for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate charts made

precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon

rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client insisted). In

the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

western part of India.

Anyway

....

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu wrote:

>

> Dear Panditji,

> I have a question (and I do not believe in personalized

> arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

> connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not give much

> of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true that a

> large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up with

> the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a pauper (

> a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> Regards,

> Kartik

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

>

> wrote:

> > Namaste Narayan,

> >

> > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has not

> been

> > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of parashar

> you

> > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just

> had a

> > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

> came in

> > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with one

> day

> > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about

> > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he

> is

> > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a

> > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was

> not

> > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know

> his

> > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on

> the

> > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about divisionals

> > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out my

> > opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

> about

> > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction, all

> > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach that

> has

> > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> forcing

> > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught by

> great

> > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> should

> > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> >

> > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> inclination I

> > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have to

> put

> > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not

> > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if I

> > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my opinion.

> Let

> > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your methods

> may

> > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there

> > views on the subject.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Panditji,

> > >

> > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me

> if

> > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > >

> > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

> idioms,

> > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> testing! On

> > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles have

> not

> > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> these

> > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> principles

> > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> should

> > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> matter,

> > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > >

> > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

> one

> > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would

> have

> > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years

> and I

> > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > > applicability

> > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two

> > > charts

> > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the great

> cold

> > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > >

> > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since

> the

> > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

> gave

> > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that we

> can

> > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to

> do???

> > >

> > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> Sanjay

> > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> would be

> > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

> they

> > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the times,

> > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

> > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely a

> lot

> > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> we

> > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

> > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> lagna,

> > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > >

> > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

> come up

> > > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> is

> > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> process

> > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming

> years!

> > >

> > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> already

> > > known.

> > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

> death.

> > > For

> > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> why ? Why

> > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> from

> > > 9th

> > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> not

> > > find

> > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> 12. It

> > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> rashis

> > > and I

> > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

> the

> > > known

> > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > >

> > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

> > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> with

> > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> even

> > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

> > > beating around the bush!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> cases.Then

> > > make

> > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart

> you

> > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

> > > developed

> > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

> they

> > > work

> > > > in majority of cases

> > > >

> > >

> > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> probability,

> > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is

> high

> > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event, these

> > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may be

> > > statistacally valid!!

> > >

> > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> caused

> > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> > > inadequate research!

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Narayan

> > >

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> <mtravass@t...>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something

> else.

> > > > >

> > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > > running

> > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > >

> > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I

> was

> > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > >

> > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > > >

> > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your

> > > email

> > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did

> not

> > > state.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > >

> > > > > Mike

> > > > >

> > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao"

> > > > >

> > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

> > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> (combinations) in

> > > D16

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > > taken in

> > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > respectively,

> > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

> sukha.

> > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> problem

> > > sign.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

> > > (EST),

> > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> antardasa.

> > > In my

> > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > > Mercury and

> > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > > vehicle.

> > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> problems in

> > > > > sukha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> dasa

> > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > seershodaya

> > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its

> lord

> > > Venus

> > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> in

> > > the

> > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> > > occupants

> > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus,

> > > Rahu,

> > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

> last

> > > one-

> > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> 4

> > > planets

> > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> is

> > > given

> > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

> > > sthana

> > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> period

> > > in

> > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> an

> > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > > suffered

> > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> parking

> > > lot.

> > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> these

> > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> another

> > > new

> > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving

> the

> > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > antardasa was

> > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> > > rising,

> > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> Ketu.

> > > Saturn-

> > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> running

> > > from

> > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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namaste,

Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The gentleman who

posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his permission to

post it here but I thought this is in context with various divisional

and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr. pradeep if I

am taking too many liberties here.

---

This mail only address my concerns regarding technical points.

I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that reason we use

software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we use our

acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the building

rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps) one can

try climbing through sewage for a change.

But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes

directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha whenever

professional matters are to be ascertained, even without knowing how

dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division of the

10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got private

mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional matters, but

there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it as a

chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the lords

alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in

divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against

rules?.

If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from basics. If we

have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected on top.

If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques we

have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and open mind

and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to accept

all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you and vice

versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this in the

right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

anything blindly.

Thanks

Pradeep

-----

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha wrote:

> Namaste Kartik,

>

> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it trumps all

> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it or the

> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to divisional

> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said to use

> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic argument

> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is a

> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7 axis is

> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors are

> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not going

> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but exalted

> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> strengths ( not THE strength).

>

> Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do not go

> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am happy

> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also I have

> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of

> people born on the same day and time and place. This is a conjecture,

> go and find hospital records and show me statistical record of how

> many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

>

> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar who

> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh, so that

> shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or it was

> added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions about

> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart Defaw

> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in quadrant

> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

>

> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what was said

> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of jyotish and

> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods that have

> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised that

> people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past. May be

> for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate charts made

> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client insisted). In

> the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

> western part of India.

>

> Anyway

>

> ...

>

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

> > I have a question (and I do not believe in personalized

> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not give much

> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true that a

> > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up with

> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a pauper (

> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> >

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >

> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has not

> > been

> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of parashar

> > you

> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just

> > had a

> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

> > came in

> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with one

> > day

> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about

> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he

> > is

> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a

> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was

> > not

> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know

> > his

> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on

> > the

> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about divisionals

> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out my

> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

> > about

> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction, all

> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach that

> > has

> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> > forcing

> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught by

> > great

> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> > should

> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > >

> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > inclination I

> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have to

> > put

> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not

> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if I

> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my opinion.

> > Let

> > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your methods

> > may

> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there

> > > views on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me

> > if

> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > >

> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

> > idioms,

> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> > testing! On

> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles have

> > not

> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> > these

> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > principles

> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> > should

> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> > matter,

> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > >

> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

> > one

> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would

> > have

> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years

> > and I

> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > > > applicability

> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two

> > > > charts

> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the great

> > cold

> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > >

> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since

> > the

> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

> > gave

> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that we

> > can

> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to

> > do???

> > > >

> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> > Sanjay

> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > would be

> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

> > they

> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the times,

> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely a

> > lot

> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > we

> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> > lagna,

> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > >

> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

> > come up

> > > > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> > is

> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> > process

> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming

> > years!

> > > >

> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> > already

> > > > known.

> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

> > death.

> > > > For

> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > why ? Why

> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> > from

> > > > 9th

> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> > not

> > > > find

> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> > 12. It

> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > rashis

> > > > and I

> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

> > the

> > > > known

> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> > with

> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> > even

> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > cases.Then

> > > > make

> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart

> > you

> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

> > > > developed

> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

> > they

> > > > work

> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > probability,

> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is

> > high

> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event, these

> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may be

> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > >

> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> > caused

> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> > > > inadequate research!

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Narayan

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something

> > else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > > > running

> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I

> > was

> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in your

> > > > email

> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did

> > not

> > > > state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > Rao"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > (combinations) in

> > > > D16

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > > > taken in

> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

> > sukha.

> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> > above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > problem

> > > > sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > antardasa.

> > > > In my

> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> > problems in

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> > dasa

> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its

> > lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> > > > occupants

> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are Venus,

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

> > last

> > > > one-

> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> > 4

> > > > planets

> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> > is

> > > > given

> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

> > > > sthana

> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> > period

> > > > in

> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> > an

> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > > > suffered

> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> > parking

> > > > lot.

> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> > these

> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> > another

> > > > new

> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving

> > the

> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> > > > rising,

> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> > Ketu.

> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> > running

> > > > from

> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > > > >

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March 18, 2005

Dear Panditji,

That was a lot of food for thought, I havent considered it

that way and does open an interesting line of thinking (in my mind

at least). For further clarification Panditji I would like your

opinion on an example in which the divisional charts and the natal

chart showed conflicting results (in my humble opinion) in two time

periods and I wanted to know as to what your opinion would be

(essentially as to how you would interpret this). The example is :

DOB : 04/30/1981

Time : 18:12 +/- 6 mins (100%) (I have fixed a time of birth but

then I am not sure about this, if required I will e-mail you the

details of some incidents to fix the time of birth)

Place : Hyderabad, India

The times I am talking about are 07/30/2001-2003.

and also the native is expecting some results (good/bad) in the next

couple of months and according to me the divisional charts showed

different results from the natal chart ( I might be completely

wrong).

Please do not consider this as a test, this purely for my

understanding and I would appreciate it if you would show me as to

how you would decipher this.

Regards,

Kartik

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> namaste,

>

> Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The gentleman who

> posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his permission to

> post it here but I thought this is in context with various

divisional

> and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr. pradeep

if I

> am taking too many liberties here.

>

> ---

> This mail only address my concerns regarding technical points.

> I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

> calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that reason we use

> software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

>

> When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we use

our

> acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the building

> rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps) one can

> try climbing through sewage for a change.

>

> But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes

> directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha whenever

> professional matters are to be ascertained, even without knowing

how

> dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division of the

> 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got

private

> mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

>

> It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional matters, but

> there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it as a

> chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

> Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the

lords

> alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in

> divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against

> rules?.

>

> If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

> Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from basics. If

we

> have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected on

top.

> If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques we

> have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and open mind

> and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to accept

> all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you and

vice

> versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this in the

> right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

> anything blindly.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

> -----

>

> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> > Namaste Kartik,

> >

> > Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it

trumps all

> > the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it

or the

> > 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

divisional

> > and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said

to use

> > it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

argument

> > about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> > divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is

a

> > Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7

axis is

> > to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors

are

> > adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not

going

> > to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but

exalted

> > in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> > strengths ( not THE strength).

> >

> > Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> > divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do not

go

> > formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am

happy

> > if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also

I have

> > seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

> > different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of

> > people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

conjecture,

> > go and find hospital records and show me statistical record of

how

> > many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

> >

> > Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

> > Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar

who

> > was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh, so that

> > shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or

it was

> > added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions

about

> > kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart

Defaw

> > mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

quadrant

> > from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

> >

> > Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what

was said

> > in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of

jyotish and

> > in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods that

have

> > been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised

that

> > people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past.

May be

> > for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate

charts made

> > precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> > rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

insisted). In

> > the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

> > western part of India.

> >

> > Anyway

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > I have a question (and I do not believe in

personalized

> > > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

> > > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not

give much

> > > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true

that a

> > > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up

with

> > > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

pauper (

> > > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > Regards,

> > > Kartik

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > >

> > > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has

not

> > > been

> > > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned

about

> > > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

parashar

> > > you

> > > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you

just

> > > had a

> > > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

divisional

> > > came in

> > > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice

with one

> > > day

> > > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages

about

> > > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi

dasha he

> > > is

> > > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts

is a

> > > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention

was

> > > not

> > > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not

know

> > > his

> > > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a

few on

> > > the

> > > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

divisionals

> > > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put

out my

> > > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

judgements

> > > about

> > > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5

kinds of

> > > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

prediction, all

> > > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach

that

> > > has

> > > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> > > forcing

> > > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and

an

> > > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been

taught by

> > > great

> > > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.),

why

> > > should

> > > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > >

> > > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > > inclination I

> > > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I

have to

> > > put

> > > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have

not

> > > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style.

But if I

> > > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

opinion.

> > > Let

> > > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

methods

> > > may

> > > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out

there

> > > > views on the subject.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

surprise me

> > > if

> > > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

principles,

> > > idioms,

> > > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> > > testing! On

> > > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

principles have

> > > not

> > > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> > > these

> > > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > > principles

> > > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

entirely

> > > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> > > should

> > > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles

are

> > > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats

the

> > > matter,

> > > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > >

> > > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which

made

> > > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the

time

> > > one

> > > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak

would

> > > have

> > > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few

years

> > > and I

> > > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > > > > applicability

> > > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one

or two

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

great

> > > cold

> > > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > >

> > > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue

since

> > > the

> > > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined

and

> > > gave

> > > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are

you

> > > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

that we

> > > can

> > > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better

to

> > > do???

> > > > >

> > > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of

Pt

> > > Sanjay

> > > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > > would be

> > > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels

deep!

> > > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and

hence,

> > > they

> > > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

times,

> > > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

themselves to

> > > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do

rely a

> > > lot

> > > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

Navamsa,

> > > we

> > > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ...

by the

> > > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

Navamsa,

> > > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> > > lagna,

> > > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > >

> > > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required

to

> > > come up

> > > > > with principles and then these should be tested

thoroughly. SJC

> > > is

> > > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> > > process

> > > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the

coming

> > > years!

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon

feed ... he

> > > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet

their

> > > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

CHARACTER!

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> > > already

> > > > > known.

> > > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of

father's

> > > death.

> > > > > For

> > > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > > why ? Why

> > > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not

2nd

> > > from

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one

does

> > > not

> > > > > find

> > > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th

in D-

> > > 12. It

> > > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > > rashis

> > > > > and I

> > > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the

time of

> > > the

> > > > > known

> > > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He

too must

> > > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and

come up

> > > with

> > > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure,

if

> > > even

> > > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,

without

> > > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and

develop a

> > > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > > cases.Then

> > > > > make

> > > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the

chart

> > > you

> > > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have

been

> > > > > developed

> > > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first.

Trust me

> > > they

> > > > > work

> > > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > > probability,

> > > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

happening is

> > > high

> > > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,

these

> > > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they

may be

> > > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri

Karak

> > > caused

> > > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a

totally

> > > > > inadequate research!

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > Narayan

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

something

> > > else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,)

I was

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996

and I

> > > was

> > > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of

GMT).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated

in your

> > > > > email

> > > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you

did

> > > not

> > > > > state.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mike

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R.

> > > Rao"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

schematic)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

under

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > > (combinations) in

> > > > > D16

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4

should be

> > > > > taken in

> > > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > > respectively,

> > > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and

other

> > > sukha.

> > > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

mentioned

> > > above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > > problem

> > > > > sign.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

6:30 pm

> > > > > (EST),

> > > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

was "totalled".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > > antardasa.

> > > > > In my

> > > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th

lord

> > > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss

of a

> > > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> > > problems in

> > > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of

Narayana

> > > dasa

> > > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third.

Its

> > > lord

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his

results

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results

of

> > > > > occupants

> > > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

Venus,

> > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide

the

> > > last

> > > > > one-

> > > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to

these

> > > 4

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa

sign

> > > is

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

badhaka

> > > > > sthana

> > > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the

sub-

> > > period

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I

have

> > > an

> > > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan

1997

> > > > > suffered

> > > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> > > parking

> > > > > lot.

> > > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice.

After

> > > these

> > > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and

bought

> > > another

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period

giving

> > > the

> > > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

antardasa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16

had Leo

> > > > > rising,

> > > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu

and

> > > Ketu.

> > > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa

was

> > > running

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to

amaze me!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">As you say that the person using the

divisional charts need to understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy

behind its and the ways to use it before start using it.

However, only because someone is unable to understand the usage of some aspects

of a discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect. Moreover, it is

not at all about sophistication as you have mentioned,

it is about the depth of the discipline. It is expected that someone who is new

to a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and basics, however when one gets

used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the subject and this is true with

all subjects and not Jyotish only.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The statement that Shastras do not have

sanction of using the divisional charts is of no ground. If that’s so

Maharishi Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha Daivagna

and many authors have not said so many things in

days where the brevity of words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever

the point it, the bottomline is that, the taste of

the pudding is in eating… try it and then see how useful are they.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If were to make appeals to the beginners,

then tell them to study authentic sources and understand it properly before

using them. Isn’t it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best Wishes

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Panditji

[navagraha ]

Saturday, March 19, 2005

11:15 AM

To:

Re: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

12.0pt">

10.0pt">namaste,

Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here.

The gentleman who

posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked

his permission to

post it here but I thought this is in context with

various divisional

and other techniques we are debating. My apologies

to Mr. pradeep if I

am taking too many liberties here.

---

This mail only address my concerns regarding

technical points.

I think we are missing the essence. Techniques

that ease our

calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

reason we use

software. But Jyotish is not about technical

sophistication.

When we have a door and steps to enter a house why

should we use our

acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage

pipe, at the building

rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door

and steps) one can

try climbing through sewage for a change.

But what is happening. One is not aware of the

basics and goes

directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to

dashamsha whenever

professional matters are to be ascertained, even

without knowing how

dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a

division of the

10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th

house. I got private

mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

matters, but

there is no classical reference sanctioning the

usage of it as a

chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible.

As per Shri

Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha

tattwas - just the lords

alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in

divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself

is against

rules?.

If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we

will fall.

Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away

from basics. If we

have a good foundation, any number of floors can

be erected on top.

If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

techniques we

have, the structures can only collapse. One can

keep and open mind

and pick the good from all sources. It is not

necessary to accept

all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn

from you and vice

versa may be one of the best approaches. Please

see this in the

right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do

not accept

anything blindly.

Thanks

Pradeep

-----

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji

<navagraha > wrote:

> Namaste Kartik,

>

> Excellent question. Everything is derived

from rashi and it trumps all

> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna

and planets in it or the

> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not

go jumping to divisional

> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not

say parashara said to use

> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to

get into pedantic argument

> about it, I have not seen evidence that

parashar said to use

> divisional as a separate chart) Also the

divisional influence is a

> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one.

So divisional 1-7 axis is

> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If

the primary factors are

> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional

chart is it is not going

> to give great results.Yes if a graha is

debilited in rashi but exalted

> in navansh then his strength is improved and

it is one of the

> strengths ( not THE strength).

>

> Now about twins, every one talks about it in

connection with

> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an

exception and do not go

> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a

dangerous habit. I am happy

> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent

of the cases. Also I have

> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can

make facial features

> different in twins. Anyway people say there

are 100s or 1000s of

> people born on the same day and time and

place. This is a conjecture,

> go and find hospital records and show me

statistical record of how

> many births tooks place at the same place and

same time.

>

> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars

...he says Moon is

> Krishna, Sun

is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar who

> was son of vyas ? He did not say future

avataar of budhh, so that

> shloka could mean that this was written at a

much later date or it was

> added to the original text at a later date.He

never mentions about

> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget

the name,( Hart Defaw

> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic

"When budh is in quadrant

> from Sun.." Now we know thats

anastronomical immpossibility.

>

> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in

deciphering what was said

> in ancient texts. There are controversies in

many areas of jyotish and

> in interpretation of classics. My point is to

use methods that have

> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will

be really surprised that

> people have calculated so many divisional

charts in the past. May be

> for well to do who could pay money to have

these elaborate charts made

> precomputer era. For most the charts were

done Lagna rashi, Moon

> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only

if a client insisted). In

> the north or may be south it was customary.

it is not so in the

> western part of India.

>

> Anyway

>

> ...

>

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

<amoebabhu > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

>

> I have a

question (and I do not believe in personalized

> > arguements so nothing in what I will say

will have any personal

> > connotations). If we were to focus on

rashi charts and not give much

> > of consideration to divisionals, then

would it not be true that a

> > large number of people (a relative

terminology) would end up with

> > the same horoscope and one might be a

king and the other a pauper (

> > a theoretical comparison).Also what

about twins?

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> >

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >

> > > Looks like you are taking sides to

defend something that has not

> > been

> > > attacked. I know what parashara

said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> > > divisions and if you say it was in

vogue since the day of parashar

> > you

> > > must be really looooong in tooth.

You are talking as if you just

> > had a

> > > conversation with him. I stand by

my statement that divisional

> > came in

> > > vogue after the advent of computers

and now even a novice with one

> > day

> > > of training or less can put them up

and can write off pages about

> > > which planet is where in which

varga and from what rashi dasha he

> > is

> > > in what house. Whether there are

houses in divisional charts is a

> > > debate in itself. I do not know

sanjay rath and my intention was

> > not

> > > to question his teachings or his

grand fathers', as I do not know

> > his

> > > teachings. What I commented is

based on what I have seen a few on

> > the

> > > list who say they are beginners

just go on and on about divisionals

> > > and dashas in divisionals as if

there was no tomorrow. I put out my

> > > opinion for others to read, they

can make their own judgements

> > about

> > > whatever technique they want to

use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to

arrive at a correct prediction, all

> > > the power to you. I am presenting

what I feel is a approach that

> > has

> > > worked for me. Let others be judge

of those methods. I am not

> > forcing

> > > any technique down anyone's throat.

I do have an opinion and an

> > > methodology( Which is not invented

by me, but has been taught by

> > great

> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan

Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> > should

> > > you or anyone feel threatened by

it.

> > >

> > > People ask questions on this list

and if I have time and

> > inclination I

> > > answer to the best of my ability.

While doing so, I feel I have to

> > put

> > > my opinions out there for people on

the list to read. I have not

> > > criticized any astrologer on the

list, thats not my style. But if I

> > > have differences of opinion with a

methodology I voice my opinion.

> > Let

> > > the members of the list decide what

they want to use. Your methods

> > may

> > > be good for you, why are you

threatened if someone puts out there

> > > views on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000,

naaraayana_iyer

> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > > Panditji

<navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > These principles are a

work in progress. It would surprise me

> > if

> > > > > they have been

tested on tons of charts.

> > > >

> > > > As with any field of

knowledge, there are always principles,

> > idioms,

> > > > patterns, which will be formed

and would be subjected to

> > testing! On

> > > > what basis did you jump to

conclusion that these principles have

> > not

> > > > been tested adequately?? It

could be entirely probable that

> > these

> > > > principles are a "work in

progress", for that matter no

> > principles

> > > > work 100% and research is

required! It could also be entirely

> > > > probable that the chart could

need some rectification. One

> > should

> > > > have an open mind. For that

matter, even your principles are

> > > > subjected to testing and

cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> > matter,

> > > > then you would be an

"Expert/Rishi"

> > > >

> > > > > To begin with the

divisionals came

> > > > > into vogue after the

advent of computer programs which made

> > > > > calculation of them fast.

In the precomputer days,by the time

> > one

> > > > > calculated all these

accurately and verified, the jatak would

> > have

> > > > > been long gone. So this

phenomenon is from the past few years

> > and I

> > > > > don't see evidence of its

unversal applicability or even

> > > > > applicability

> > > > > in 75 percent of the

cases. I am sure there will be one or two

> > > > charts

> > > > > where it will fit

perfectly. But as they say here in the great

> > cold

> > > > > north, "One Robin

does not make a spring".

> > > >

> > > > For your esteemed information,

Divisionals were in vogue since

> > the

> > > > days of Parasara, infact,

right at the start, he defined and

> > gave

> > > > meaninings to all divisionals

upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > > > saying that Maharishis defined

it and talked about it so that we

> > can

> > > > pass our idle time or do you

think they had nothing better to

> > do???

> > > >

> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers

have gone into the depths of

> > > > calculation, for example Pt

Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> > Sanjay

> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY

calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > would be

> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha

level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations

consume a lot of time, and hence,

> > they

> > > > would limit themselves to a

couple of charts. Most of the times,

> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse, there are

Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make

accurate predictions, and they do rely a

> > lot

> > > > on their intuition. If we

restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > we

> > > > better hope and pray for good

solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

> > > > way ... even those who

restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > > > flexibly twist their

principles to suit the results, if not

> > lagna,

> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on

and so forth!

> > > >

> > > > Point is ... serious minded

& honest research is required to

> > come up

> > > > with principles and then these

should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> > is

> > > > in the process of doing it ...

although there is no formal

> > process

> > > > for it. We will be taking this

matter seriously in the coming

> > years!

> > > >

> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath

doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > > > likes/expects his student to

think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes

easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > New parameters are

introduced to fit the event which is

> > already

> > > > known.

> > > > > On this list some time

back one had an example of father's

> > death.

> > > > For

> > > > > that they used 7th from

9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > why ? Why

> > > > > not 7th from 9th from

ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> > from

> > > > 9th

> > > > > from ravi. Then one can

use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> > not

> > > > find

> > > > > it there , then aurdh of

9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> > 12. It

> > > > > can get confusing very

fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > rashis

> > > > and I

> > > > > am sure the graha whose

dasha you are running at the time of

> > the

> > > > known

> > > > > event will be there in

one of those.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi

Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

> > > > have exprimented, just like

Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> > with

> > > > idioms & principles. And

as I said before, I am not sure, if

> > even

> > > > you have a fool-proof

methodology of predicting events, without

> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My point is ,test

priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > > > consistent principle

applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > cases.Then

> > > > make

> > > > > it a principle. Do not

make rules as you go based on the chart

> > you

> > > > > have in front of you.BTW

there are principles that have been

> > > > developed

> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV

Raman, master those first. Trust me

> > they

> > > > work

> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Principles, should especially

be tested on the basis of

> > probability,

> > > > like Narasimha said, if the

likelihood of an event happening is

> > high

> > > > and if you give a numerous

paramters explaining the event, these

> > > > principles are not

probabalistically valid, although they may be

> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > >

> > > > Like explaining, the chara

dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> > caused

> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider

that an incomplete and a totally

> > > > inadequate research!

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Narayan

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005

15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I applied the same

logic in my chart and it shows something

> > else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time when my car

was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > > > running

> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa

of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The second time I

met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I

> > was

> > > > > > running Aq-Li

Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both the accidents

took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot apply any

of the principles that you stated in your

> > > > email

> > > > > > unless there are

others, which can be applied, and you did

> > not

> > > > state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you assist

here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

November 14, 1963

> > > > > >

Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > >

Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N

18' 00"

> > > > >

>

Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > Rao"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <pvr@c...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > ----- Original

Message -----

> > > > > > > Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > Sent:

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > Subject:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay

Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D16 is the

chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is

some jist for analysing all yogas

> > (combinations) in

> > > > D16

> > > > > > > >

1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > > > taken in

> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > 2.

6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > >

> will show for matters related to cars and

other

> > sukha.

> > > > > > > > 3.

Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > >

> Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now for

Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> > above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Add badhaka

sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > problem

> > > > sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birthdata

is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had a

vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > Wilmington, MA.

I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per D-16

Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > antardasa.

> > > > In my

> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the

badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > nodes. It is the

12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > It is also the 8th

house from the 4th house, showing

> > problems in

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are

into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> > dasa

> > > > > > interpretation can

test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > rasi. So it gives

its results in the first one-third. Its

> > lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is also in a

seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > second one-third.

The last one-third gives the results of

> > > > occupants

> > > > > > and aspectors. There

are four candidates and they are Venus,

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in

the order of longitudes. We divide the

> > last

> > > > one-

> > > > > > third of the dasa

into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> > 4

> > > > planets

> > > > > > in this order. The

result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> > is

> > > > given

> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug

1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

> > > > sthana

> > > > > > and aspects the 4th

house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> > period

> > > > in

> > > > > > question resulted in

vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> > an

> > > > > > accident in Dec

1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > > > suffered

> > > > > > too. It was hit by

people twice when it was parked in a

> > parking

> > > > lot.

> > > > > > I did not see who

hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> > these

> > > > > > repeated incidents,

I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> > another

> > > > new

> > > > > > car in Sept 1997.

All these are due to the sub-period giving

> > the

> > > > > > results of Rahu's

aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > also of Ta, which

contains Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per

Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my annual

Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> > > > rising,

> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h

(!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> > Ketu.

> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as

per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> > running

> > > > from

> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6.

Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The technique

of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > > > >

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March 18, 2005

Please give following details:1) Source of TOB, that is recorded meticulously,

hospital record, rectified etc.2) Margin of error possible.3) Some past trends

/ facts / events, may be other than you want to ask about. You may write about

your nature, education, profession, marriage / spouse if married /

relationship, good / bad periods of past, parents' profession / status, health

etc.

I expect at least the sex of the native. However, with given data, 5th house is

activated. Hence, it may not be good for children / studies etc. Now, the

native being just 20 then, we conclude that the period was not good for

studies. This is mainly from Rasi chart. If the native is a female, the other

possibility is involvement in a typical love affair wherein issues related with

pregnancy are also involved. This is my impression, prima-facie.

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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amoebabhu

19, 03, 2005 8:59 AM

[vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

Dear Panditji, That was a lot of food for thought, I havent considered

it that way and does open an interesting line of thinking (in my mind at

least). For further clarification Panditji I would like your opinion on an

example in which the divisional charts and the natal chart showed conflicting

results (in my humble opinion) in two time periods and I wanted to know as to

what your opinion would be (essentially as to how you would interpret this).

The example is :DOB : 04/30/1981 Time : 18:12 +/- 6 mins (100%) (I have fixed

a time of birth but then I am not sure about this, if required I will e-mail

you the details of some incidents to fix the time of birth)Place : Hyderabad,

IndiaThe times I am talking about are 07/30/2001-2003.and also the native is

expecting some results (good/bad) in the next couple of months and according to

me the divisional charts showed different results from the natal chart ( I might

be completely wrong).Please do not consider this as a test, this purely for my

understanding and I would appreciate it if you would show me as to how you

would decipher this.Regards,Kartikvedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> namaste,> > Someone just sent me this. I am

posting it here. The gentleman who> posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not

asked his permission to> post it here but I thought this is in context with

various divisional> and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

pradeep if I> am taking too many liberties here.> > ---> This mail only address

my concerns regarding technical points. > I think we are missing the essence.

Techniques that ease our > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

reason we use > software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication. >

> When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we use our>

acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the building> rear?

After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps) one can > try climbing

through sewage for a change.> > But what is happening. One is not aware of the

basics and goes > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha

whenever > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without knowing how

> dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division of the > 10th house

& Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got private > mails. This is

certainly a bad trend.> > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

matters, but > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it as a

> chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri > Narasimha sage

has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the lords > alone!!! - How can we

find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in > divisionals, when considering it

as a chart itself is against > rules?. > > If we start stretching our legs

before we sit, we will fall.> Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away

from basics. If we > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected

on top. > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques we >

have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and open mind > and pick

the good from all sources. It is not necessary to accept > all from one place

and leave the rest. I can learn from you and vice > versa may be one of the

best approaches. Please see this in the > right spirit. I respect knowledge

from all,but do not accept > anything blindly.> > Thanks> Pradeep> -----> > >

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> > Namaste

Kartik,> > > > Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it

trumps all> > the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it

or the> > 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

divisional> > and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said

to use> > it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

argument> > about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use> >

divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is a> > Tertiary

influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7 axis is> > to be used to

look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors are> > adverse, I don't care

how strong a divisional chart is it is not going> > to give great results.Yes

if a graha is debilited in rashi but exalted> > in navansh then his strength is

improved and it is one of the> > strengths ( not THE strength).> > > > Now about

twins, every one talks about it in connection with> > divisionals. As for me I

treat twins as an exception and do not go> > formulating rules for exceptions,

thats a dangerous habit. I am happy> > if I can make good predictions in 75

percent of the cases. Also I have> > seen that navansha lagna if it changes can

make facial features> > different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

1000s of> > people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

conjecture,> > go and find hospital records and show me statistical record of

how> > many births tooks place at the same place and same time.> > > > Talking

about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is> > Krishna, Sun is

Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar who> > was son of vyas ? He

did not say future avataar of budhh, so that> > shloka could mean that this was

written at a much later date or it was> > added to the original text at a later

date.He never mentions about> > kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget

the name,( Hart Defaw> > mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh

is in quadrant> > from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.>

> > > Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what was said> >

in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of jyotish and> > in

interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods that have> > been tested

on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised that> > people have

calculated so many divisional charts in the past. May be> > for well to do who

could pay money to have these elaborate charts made> > precomputer era. For

most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon> > rashi, and navansh( Even this

was added only if a client insisted). In> > the north or may be south it was

customary. it is not so in the> > western part of India.> > > > Anyway> > > >

....> > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Panditji,> > > I have a question (and I do not

believe in personalized> > > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have

any personal> > > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not

give much> > > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true that

a> > > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up with> > >

the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a pauper (> > > a

theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?> > > Regards,> > > Kartik> > >>

> > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>> > >> > >

wrote:> > > > Namaste Narayan,> > > >> > > > Looks like you are taking sides to

defend something that has not> > > been> > > > attacked. I know what parashara

said in BPHS. He mentioned about> > > > divisions and if you say it was in

vogue since the day of parashar> > > you> > > > must be really looooong in

tooth. You are talking as if you just> > > had a> > > > conversation with him.

I stand by my statement that divisional> > > came in> > > > vogue after the

advent of computers and now even a novice with one> > > day> > > > of training

or less can put them up and can write off pages about> > > > which planet is

where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he> > > is> > > > in what house.

Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a> > > > debate in itself. I do

not know sanjay rath and my intention was> > > not> > > > to question his

teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know> > > his> > > > teachings.

What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on> > > the> > > > list who

say they are beginners just go on and on about divisionals> > > > and dashas in

divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out my> > > > opinion for others

to read, they can make their own judgements> > > about> > > > whatever technique

they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of> > > > dashas and 5 kinds of

lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction, all> > > > the power to you. I am

presenting what I feel is a approach that> > > has> > > > worked for me. Let

others be judge of those methods. I am not> > > forcing> > > > any technique

down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an> > > > methodology( Which is

not invented by me, but has been taught by> > > great> > > > astrologers like

KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why> > > should> > > > you or anyone

feel threatened by it.> > > >> > > > People ask questions on this list and if I

have time and> > > inclination I> > > > answer to the best of my ability. While

doing so, I feel I have to> > > put> > > > my opinions out there for people on

the list to read. I have not> > > > criticized any astrologer on the list,

thats not my style. But if I> > > > have differences of opinion with a

methodology I voice my opinion.> > > Let> > > > the members of the list decide

what they want to use. Your methods> > > may> > > > be good for you, why are

you threatened if someone puts out there> > > > views on the subject.> > > >> >

> > Regards> > > >> > > > ...> > > >> > > >> > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35

-0000, naaraayana_iyer> > > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >

Namaste Panditji,> > > > >> > > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> > > > >

> Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It

would surprise me> > > if> > > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.>

> > > >> > > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,> >

> idioms,> > > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to> > >

testing! On> > > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles

have> > > not> > > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable

that> > > these> > > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter

no> > > principles> > > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also

be entirely> > > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification.

One> > > should> > > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

principles are> > > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If

thats the> > > matter,> > > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"> > > > >> >

> > >> > > > > > To begin with the divisionals came> > > > > > into vogue after

the advent of computer programs which made> > > > > > calculation of them fast.

In the precomputer days,by the time> > > one> > > > > > calculated all these

accurately and verified, the jatak would> > > have> > > > > > been long gone.

So this phenomenon is from the past few years> > > and I> > > > > > don't see

evidence of its unversal applicability or even> > > > > > applicability> > > >

> > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or two> > > > >

charts> > > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

great> > > cold> > > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".> > > > >>

> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since> > > the>

> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and> > > gave>

> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you> > > > >

saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that we> > > can> > > >

> pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to> > > do???> > >

> >> > > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of> > > >

> calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt> > > Sanjay> >

> > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you> > > would

be> > > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!> > >

> > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,> > > they> >

> > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the times,> > > > >

these charts are prepared in advance.> > > > >> > > > > Ofcourse, there are

Astrologers who would restrict themselves to> > > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make

accurate predictions, and they do rely a> > > lot> > > > > on their intuition.

If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,> > > we> > > > > better hope and

pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the> > > > > way ... even those

who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,> > > > > flexibly twist their

principles to suit the results, if not> > > lagna,> > > > > then chandra lagna

.... so on and so forth!> > > > >> > > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest

research is required to> > > come up> > > > > with principles and then these

should be tested thoroughly. SJC> > > is> > > > > in the process of doing it

.... although there is no formal> > > process> > > > > for it. We will be taking

this matter seriously in the coming> > > years!> > > > >> > > > > Another point,

Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he> > > > > likes/expects his

student to think thoroughly, to whet their> > > > > intelligence! Nothing comes

easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > New

parameters are introduced to fit the event which is> > > already> > > > >

known.> > > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's> >

> death.> > > > > For> > > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

dwadashansha. Now> > > why ? Why> > > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi

chart ?Then why not 2nd> > > from> > > > > 9th> > > > > > from ravi. Then one

can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does> > > not> > > > > find> > > > > > it

there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-> > > 12. It> > > > >

> can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12> > > rashis> > > > >

and I> > > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of> >

> the> > > > > known> > > > > > event will be there in one of those.> > > > >> >

> > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must> > > > >

have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up> > > with> > >

> > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if> > > even> > >

> > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without> > > > >

beating around the bush!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > My point is

,test priciples on charts you have and develop a> > > > > > consistent

principle applicable to atleast 75 percent> > > cases.Then> > > > > make> > > >

> > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the chart> > > you> > >

> > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been> > > > >

developed> > > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust

me> > > they> > > > > work> > > > > > in majority of cases> > > > > >> > > > >>

> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of> > >

probability,> > > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

happening is> > > high> > > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining

the event, these> > > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although

they may be> > > > > statistacally valid!!> > > > >> > > > > Like explaining,

the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak> > > caused> > > > > birth of

siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally> > > > > inadequate

research!> > > > >> > > > > Warm Regards> > > > > Narayan> > > > >> > > > >> >

> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01>

> > <mtravass@t...>> > > > >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi

Narasimha,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and

it shows something> > > else.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The time when my car

was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was> > > > > running> > > > > > > Cn-Li

Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The second time I

met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I> > > was> > > > > > > running Aq-Li

Narayana dasa of D16.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Both the accidents took place

in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I cannot apply any of

the principles that you stated in your> > > > > email> > > > > > > unless there

are others, which can be applied, and you did> > > not> > > > > state.> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Could you assist here?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mike> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > November 14, 1963> > > > > > > Time:

14:03:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place:

73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"> > > > > > > Margao, Goa,

India> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.> > > Rao"> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > -> > > > >

> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005

11:53 PM> > > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

schematic)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay

Prabhakaran,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and

Hence Cars come under> > > > > this.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here is

some jist for analysing all yogas> > > (combinations) in> > > > > D16> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should

be> > > > > taken in> > > > > > > D16.> > > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house

cause worries and anxieties> > > > > respectively,> > > > > > > in D16 they> >

> > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other> > > sukha.>

> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.> > > > > > > > >

Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now

for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned> > > above.> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential> > >

problem> > > > > sign.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April

1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),> > > > > Machilipatnam,> > > > > > > India> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm> >

> > > (EST),> > > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was

"totalled".> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this

happened in Li-Ta> > > antardasa.> > > > > In my> > > > > > > D-16, Ta is the

badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord> > > > > Mercury and> > > > > > >

nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a> > > > > vehicle.> >

> > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing> > > problems in>

> > > > > > sukha.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Those who are into the three

parts of rule of Narayana> > > dasa> > > > > > > interpretation can test that

too. Mahadasa sign Li is a> > > > > seershodaya> > > > > > > rasi. So it gives

its results in the first one-third. Its> > > lord> > > > > Venus> > > > > > >

is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results> > > in> > > > >

the> > > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of> > >

> > occupants> > > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

Venus,> > > > > Rahu,> > > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes.

We divide the> > > last> > > > > one-> > > > > > > third of the dasa into 4

equal parts and give them to these> > > 4> > > > > planets> > > > > > > in this

order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign> > > is> > > > > given> > >

> > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka> > > > >

sthana> > > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-> >

> period> > > > > in> > > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not

only did I have> > > an> > > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I

bought in Jan 1997> > > > > suffered> > > > > > > too. It was hit by people

twice when it was parked in a> > > parking> > > > > lot.> > > > > > > I did not

see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After> > > these> > > > > > > repeated

incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought> > > another> > > > > new> > > >

> > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period giving> > > the> > >

> > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the> > > > >

antardasa was> > > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo> >

> > > rising,> > > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu

and> > > Ketu.> > > > > Saturn-> > > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual

Tithi Ashtottari dasa was> > > running> > > > > from> > > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec

6. Accident was on Dec 5!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The technique of Tithi

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March 19, 2005

Dear Panditiji,

It is quite amusing and ironic that Mercury can be in quadrants to

Sun in the divisional charts.

Kasim

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Kartik,

>

> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it trumps

all

> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it or

the

> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

divisional

> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said to

use

> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

argument

> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is a

> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7 axis

is

> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors are

> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not

going

> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but

exalted

> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> strengths ( not THE strength).

>

> Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do not go

> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am

happy

> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also I

have

> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of

> people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

conjecture,

> go and find hospital records and show me statistical record of how

> many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

>

> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar

who

> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh, so that

> shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or it

was

> added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions about

> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart Defaw

> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

quadrant

> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

>

> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what was

said

> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of jyotish

and

> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods that have

> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised

that

> people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past. May

be

> for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate charts

made

> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

insisted). In

> the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

> western part of India.

>

> Anyway

>

> ...

>

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

personalized

> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not give

much

> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true that

a

> > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up

with

> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

pauper (

> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> >

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >

> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has

not

> > been

> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned

about

> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

parashar

> > you

> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you

just

> > had a

> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

> > came in

> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with

one

> > day

> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages

about

> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha

he

> > is

> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts

is a

> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention

was

> > not

> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not

know

> > his

> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few

on

> > the

> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

divisionals

> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put

out my

> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

> > about

> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5

kinds of

> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

prediction, all

> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach

that

> > has

> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> > forcing

> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught

by

> > great

> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.),

why

> > should

> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > >

> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > inclination I

> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I

have to

> > put

> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have

not

> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But

if I

> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

opinion.

> > Let

> > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

methods

> > may

> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out

there

> > > views on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise

me

> > if

> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > >

> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

> > idioms,

> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> > testing! On

> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles

have

> > not

> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> > these

> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > principles

> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

entirely

> > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> > should

> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> > matter,

> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > >

> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the

time

> > one

> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak

would

> > have

> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few

years

> > and I

> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > > > applicability

> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or

two

> > > > charts

> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

great

> > cold

> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > >

> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue

since

> > the

> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

> > gave

> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are

you

> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

that we

> > can

> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better

to

> > do???

> > > >

> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of

Pt

> > Sanjay

> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > would be

> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels

deep!

> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and

hence,

> > they

> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

times,

> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

themselves to

> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do

rely a

> > lot

> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

Navamsa,

> > we

> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by

the

> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

Navamsa,

> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> > lagna,

> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > >

> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

> > come up

> > > > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly.

SJC

> > is

> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> > process

> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the

coming

> > years!

> > > >

> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ...

he

> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

CHARACTER!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> > already

> > > > known.

> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

> > death.

> > > > For

> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > why ? Why

> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not

2nd

> > from

> > > > 9th

> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one

does

> > not

> > > > find

> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in

D-

> > 12. It

> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > rashis

> > > > and I

> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time

of

> > the

> > > > known

> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

must

> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come

up

> > with

> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> > even

> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,

without

> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop

a

> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > cases.Then

> > > > make

> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the

chart

> > you

> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have

been

> > > > developed

> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust

me

> > they

> > > > work

> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > probability,

> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening

is

> > high

> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,

these

> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they

may be

> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > >

> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri

Karak

> > caused

> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a

totally

> > > > inadequate research!

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Narayan

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

something

> > else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I

was

> > > > running

> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996

and I

> > was

> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of

GMT).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in

your

> > > > email

> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you

did

> > not

> > > > state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R.

> > Rao"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

schematic)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

under

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > (combinations) in

> > > > D16

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should

be

> > > > taken in

> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

> > sukha.

> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

mentioned

> > above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > problem

> > > > sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

6:30 pm

> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

was "totalled".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > antardasa.

> > > > In my

> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th

lord

> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of

a

> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> > problems in

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> > dasa

> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third.

Its

> > lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his

results

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results

of

> > > > occupants

> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

Venus,

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide

the

> > last

> > > > one-

> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to

these

> > 4

> > > > planets

> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa

sign

> > is

> > > > given

> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

badhaka

> > > > sthana

> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> > period

> > > > in

> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I

have

> > an

> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan

1997

> > > > suffered

> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> > parking

> > > > lot.

> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice.

After

> > these

> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> > another

> > > > new

> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period

giving

> > the

> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

antardasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had

Leo

> > > > rising,

> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> > Ketu.

> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> > running

> > > > from

> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze

me!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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