To Kartik< Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:Accident schematic)

March 19, 2005

Namaste,

Very good sharmaji. Tings flow from rashi chart, thats the gist of it.

....

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:24:38 +0530, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 wrote:

> Brilliant Mr. Sharma. You seem to follow the lines drawn by Shri K.N.Rao. It

> works well. Sat is PK with 7 karaka scheme. Give your Jaimini analysis also.

> Now one question. What to conclude when indication by Rasi and Navamsa are

> not confirmed in D-chart. Please give your opinion.

>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> -

> Sharma

> vedic astrology

> 19, 03, 2005 8:45 PM

> [vedic astrology] To Kartik< Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> (Re:Accident schematic)

>

> Mr. Kartik

> Here's my analysis.

> The whole point of this excercise was to see the D1 and other

> Divisional chart promise (According to Mr. Karthik). I will take the

> natives Rasi/Navamsa first.

> Sat-Moon from 2001 Sept to 2003 May. Fifth house indications. Saturn

> MD lord is in 12th house, also happens to be fifth lord for this

> libra lagna native. Tenth lord in fifth is very good for studies.

> But see what MD lord is promising - 12th house. And he is doing

> higher studies in US. Navams lagna is capricorn, In Navamsa Moon is

> exlated-hence he will do very well in his studies (and alos

> fourth/kendra compared to Rasi chart). See the nakshatra of moon -

> poorvabhadra ruled by jupiter and this jupiter is in 12th house.

> Jupiter as lord of 3/6 will give some competitive spirit, hard work.

> So bottom line from only Rasi/Navamsa: Education in a foreign

> country with lot of hard work, competition and eventually leading to

> distinction. He must have come to US with Assistanship (please

> confirm yes or no).

>

> Let's see D24 (Chaturvimsamsa) for higher learning. Lagna is Taurus,

> Saturn (4/5 lord of rasi) is in 11th house of gains, aspecting fifth

> house. Even D24 fifth lord-Mer is well placed. So overall it is a

> very good period for education. Remember it is already confirmed by

> Rasi/Navamsa chart.

>

> Take 18:09:40 as birth time (according to Shri Narasimhas's

> software, the cool feature I like). Lagna moves to Aries. And it is

> picture of educational set back, or at best poor performance. This

> contradicts our Rasi/Navams analysis.

>

> So let me summarize: Rasi/Navamsa is promising a good period -

> educationally. D24 Lagna will change within 3 minutes. If it is

> 18:09 it is bad period for education (contrary to Rasi/Navamsa). If

> it is 18:12, it is good period (confirmning Rasi/Navamsa promise).

>

> Bottom line: pick Rasi/Navamsa analysis and predict good period.

> Ignore D24, if you give Rasi/Navamsa 3 points of importance each,

> give D24 1 point of importance only

>

> Hope this is the kind of analysis that you had hoped for Mr. Kartik

> PS: For lack of time I have not done, Jaimini analysis. Saturn is PK

> in Jaimini.

>

> Sharma

>

> vedic astrology, "amoebabhu" <amoebabhu>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Praveenji,

> > I have tried to answer your questions in detail as follows

> > (please tell me as to how you come to your conclusions as I am

> > strongly interested in understanding predictive astrology) :

> > The native is male.

> > 1.) TOB : 18:12 (hospital records), DOB : 04/30/1981

> > 2.) Margin of error : +/- 6 minutes

> > 3.) Nature : Fair minded, balanced, lazy, changing interests

> > Physical features : 6ft, athletic build.

> > 4.) Education : Engineering (07/1998-05/2002)

> > Masters (2002/08- present) with fellowship

> (changed

> > to science instead of engineering)

> > Moved to the US in the 1st week of 08/02.

> > 5.) Parents Profession : Father (High position Engineer/Manager

> in

> > Defense), Mother (Housewife & does social service, highly

> respected).

> > 6.) Parents Health : Father is diabetic (some health problems for

> > about a year since Jan 2004)

> > Please let me know if more details are required.

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > Please give following details:

> > > 1) Source of TOB, that is recorded meticulously, hospital

> record,

> > rectified etc.

> > > 2) Margin of error possible.

> > > 3) Some past trends / facts / events, may be other than you want

> > to ask about. You may write about your nature, education,

> > profession, marriage / spouse if married / relationship, good /

> bad

> > periods of past, parents' profession / status, health etc.

> > >

> > > I expect at least the sex of the native. However, with given

> data,

> > 5th house is activated. Hence, it may not be good for children /

> > studies etc. Now, the native being just 20 then, we conclude that

> > the period was not good for studies. This is mainly from Rasi

> chart.

> > If the native is a female, the other possibility is involvement in

> a

> > typical love affair wherein issues related with pregnancy are also

> > involved. This is my impression, prima-facie.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > >

> > > -

> > > amoebabhu

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 19, 03, 2005 8:59 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> > Accident schematic)

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > That was a lot of food for thought, I havent

> considered

> > it

> > > that way and does open an interesting line of thinking (in my

> > mind

> > > at least). For further clarification Panditji I would like

> your

> > > opinion on an example in which the divisional charts and the

> > natal

> > > chart showed conflicting results (in my humble opinion) in two

> > time

> > > periods and I wanted to know as to what your opinion would be

> > > (essentially as to how you would interpret this). The example

> > is :

> > > DOB : 04/30/1981

> > > Time : 18:12 +/- 6 mins (100%) (I have fixed a time of birth

> > but

> > > then I am not sure about this, if required I will e-mail you

> the

> > > details of some incidents to fix the time of birth)

> > > Place : Hyderabad, India

> > > The times I am talking about are 07/30/2001-2003.

> > > and also the native is expecting some results (good/bad) in

> the

> > next

> > > couple of months and according to me the divisional charts

> > showed

> > > different results from the natal chart ( I might be completely

> > > wrong).

> > > Please do not consider this as a test, this purely for my

> > > understanding and I would appreciate it if you would show me

> as

> > to

> > > how you would decipher this.

> > > Regards,

> > > Kartik

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > <navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

> gentleman

> > who

> > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> > permission to

> > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with various

> > > divisional

> > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

> > pradeep

> > > if I

> > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding technical

> points.

> > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

> > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that reason we

> > use

> > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

> > > >

> > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we

> > use

> > > our

> > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the

> > building

> > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps)

> one

> > can

> > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > > >

> > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and

> goes

> > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha

> > whenever

> > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

> > knowing

> > > how

> > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division

> of

> > the

> > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got

> > > private

> > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > > >

> > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional matters,

> > but

> > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it

> as

> > a

> > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

> > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just

> the

> > > lords

> > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas

> etc

> > in

> > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is

> against

> > > > rules?.

> > > >

> > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

> > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from

> basics.

> > If

> > > we

> > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected

> on

> > > top.

> > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques

> > we

> > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

> open

> > mind

> > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to

> > accept

> > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you

> > and

> > > vice

> > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this in

> > the

> > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

> > > > anything blindly.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > -----

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Kartik,

> > > > >

> > > > > Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and

> it

> > > trumps all

> > > > > the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets

> in

> > it

> > > or the

> > > > > 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping

> to

> > > divisional

> > > > > and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara

> > said

> > > to use

> > > > > it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into

> pedantic

> > > argument

> > > > > about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to

> use

> > > > > divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional

> > influence is

> > > a

> > > > > Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional

> 1-

> > 7

> > > axis is

> > > > > to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

> > factors

> > > are

> > > > > adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it

> is

> > not

> > > going

> > > > > to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi

> > but

> > > exalted

> > > > > in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of

> the

> > > > > strengths ( not THE strength).

> > > > >

> > > > > Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection

> with

> > > > > divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and

> do

> > not

> > > go

> > > > > formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit.

> I

> > am

> > > happy

> > > > > if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases.

> > Also

> > > I have

> > > > > seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial

> > features

> > > > > different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

> > 1000s of

> > > > > people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

> > > conjecture,

> > > > > go and find hospital records and show me statistical

> record

> > of

> > > how

> > > > > many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says

> Moon

> > is

> > > > > Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

> > parashar

> > > who

> > > > > was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh,

> so

> > that

> > > > > shloka could mean that this was written at a much later

> date

> > or

> > > it was

> > > > > added to the original text at a later date.He never

> mentions

> > > about

> > > > > kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,(

> > Hart

> > > Defaw

> > > > > mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is

> in

> > > quadrant

> > > > > from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical

> immpossibility.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering

> > what

> > > was said

> > > > > in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of

> > > jyotish and

> > > > > in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods

> > that

> > > have

> > > > > been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really

> > surprised

> > > that

> > > > > people have calculated so many divisional charts in the

> > past.

> > > May be

> > > > > for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate

> > > charts made

> > > > > precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna

> rashi,

> > Moon

> > > > > rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

> > > insisted). In

> > > > > the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so

> in

> > the

> > > > > western part of India.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

> > <amoebabhu>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Panditji,

> > > > > > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> > > personalized

> > > > > > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any

> > personal

> > > > > > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and

> not

> > > give much

> > > > > > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be

> true

> > > that a

> > > > > > large number of people (a relative terminology) would

> end

> > up

> > > with

> > > > > > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other

> a

> > > pauper (

> > > > > > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Kartik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something

> that

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He

> > mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day

> > of

> > > parashar

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as

> if

> > you

> > > just

> > > > > > had a

> > > > > > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

> > > divisional

> > > > > > came in

> > > > > > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a

> > novice

> > > with one

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > of training or less can put them up and can write off

> > pages

> > > about

> > > > > > > which planet is where in which varga and from what

> rashi

> > > dasha he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional

> > charts

> > > is a

> > > > > > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> > intention

> > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I

> do

> > not

> > > know

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have

> seen

> > a

> > > few on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on

> about

> > > divisionals

> > > > > > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow.

> I

> > put

> > > out my

> > > > > > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

> > > judgements

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to

> use

> > 5

> > > kinds of

> > > > > > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> > > prediction, all

> > > > > > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a

> > approach

> > > that

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I

> > am not

> > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an

> opinion

> > and

> > > an

> > > > > > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been

> > > taught by

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> > Raman..etc.),

> > > why

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time

> and

> > > > > > inclination I

> > > > > > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I

> feel

> > I

> > > have to

> > > > > > put

> > > > > > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read.

> I

> > have

> > > not

> > > > > > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my

> > style.

> > > But if I

> > > > > > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice

> > my

> > > opinion.

> > > > > > Let

> > > > > > > the members of the list decide what they want to use.

> > Your

> > > methods

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone

> puts

> > out

> > > there

> > > > > > > views on the subject.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > > > > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

> > > surprise me

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

> > > principles,

> > > > > > idioms,

> > > > > > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

> subjected

> > to

> > > > > > testing! On

> > > > > > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

> > > principles have

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

> probable

> > that

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter

> no

> > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

> > > entirely

> > > > > > > > probable that the chart could need some

> rectification.

> > One

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> > principles

> > > are

> > > > > > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If

> > thats

> > > the

> > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs

> > which

> > > made

> > > > > > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer

> days,by

> > the

> > > time

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the

> > jatak

> > > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the

> past

> > few

> > > years

> > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability

> or

> > even

> > > > > > > > > applicability

> > > > > > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will

> be

> > one

> > > or two

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here

> in

> > the

> > > great

> > > > > > cold

> > > > > > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in

> > vogue

> > > since

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

> > defined

> > > and

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or

> Shastiamsa!

> > Are

> > > you

> > > > > > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about

> it

> > so

> > > that we

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing

> > better

> > > to

> > > > > > do???

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

> > depths of

> > > > > > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath,

> > grandfather of

> > > Pt

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions,

> > and ... you

> > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6

> > levels

> > > deep!

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time,

> > and

> > > hence,

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most

> of

> > the

> > > times,

> > > > > > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

> > > themselves to

> > > > > > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and

> they

> > do

> > > rely a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi

> &

> > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh

> > yes ...

> > > by the

> > > > > > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

> > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results,

> > if not

> > > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

> > required

> > > to

> > > > > > come up

> > > > > > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> > > thoroughly. SJC

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no

> > formal

> > > > > > process

> > > > > > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in

> the

> > > coming

> > > > > > years!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon

> > > feed ... he

> > > > > > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to

> whet

> > > their

> > > > > > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity

> breeds

> > > CHARACTER!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event

> which

> > is

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > known.

> > > > > > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of

> > > father's

> > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

> > dwadashansha. Now

> > > > > > why ? Why

> > > > > > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then

> why

> > not

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if

> > one

> > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh

> of

> > 9th

> > > in D-

> > > > > > 12. It

> > > > > > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover

> > all 12

> > > > > > rashis

> > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at

> the

> > > time of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!!

> > He

> > > too must

> > > > > > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao

> > and

> > > come up

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not

> > sure,

> > > if

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting

> > events,

> > > without

> > > > > > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and

> > > develop a

> > > > > > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75

> percent

> > > > > > cases.Then

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based

> on

> > the

> > > chart

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that

> > have

> > > been

> > > > > > > > developed

> > > > > > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those

> first.

> > > Trust me

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis

> of

> > > > > > probability,

> > > > > > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

> > > happening is

> > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the

> > event,

> > > these

> > > > > > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although

> > they

> > > may be

> > > > > > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara

> > Bhratri

> > > Karak

> > > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete

> and

> > a

> > > totally

> > > > > > > > inadequate research!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > > > Narayan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > > > > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it

> shows

> > > something

> > > > > > else.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March

> > 1993,)

> > > I was

> > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in

> Dec

> > 1996

> > > and I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00

> > (East of

> > > GMT).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

> > stated

> > > in your

> > > > > > > > email

> > > > > > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied,

> and

> > you

> > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > state.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mike

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "Narasimha

> > > P.V.R.

> > > > > > Rao"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> Accident

> > > schematic)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence

> Cars

> > come

> > > under

> > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > > > > > (combinations) in

> > > > > > > > D16

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here

> A4

> > > should be

> > > > > > > > taken in

> > > > > > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and

> > anxieties

> > > > > > > > respectively,

> > > > > > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars

> and

> > > other

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the

> car.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > above.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

> > potential

> > > > > > problem

> > > > > > > > sign.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm

> > (IST),

> > > > > > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December

> 1996

> > at

> > > 6:30 pm

> > > > > > > > (EST),

> > > > > > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

> > > was "totalled".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-

> Ta

> > > > > > antardasa.

> > > > > > > > In my

> > > > > > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

> > 3rd/12th

> > > lord

> > > > > > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the

> > loss

> > > of a

> > > > > > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house,

> > showing

> > > > > > problems in

> > > > > > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of

> > > Narayana

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign

> Li

> > is a

> > > > > > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-

> > third.

> > > Its

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives

> > his

> > > results

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the

> > results

> > > of

> > > > > > > > occupants

> > > > > > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and

> they

> > are

> > > Venus,

> > > > > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We

> > divide

> > > the

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > one-

> > > > > > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give

> them

> > to

> > > these

> > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

> > mahadasa

> > > sign

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord,

> > occupies

> > > badhaka

> > > > > > > > sthana

> > > > > > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So

> > the

> > > sub-

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only

> > did I

> > > have

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought

> in

> > Jan

> > > 1997

> > > > > > > > suffered

> > > > > > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

> parked

> > in a

> > > > > > parking

> > > > > > > > lot.

> > > > > > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it

> > twice.

> > > After

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car

> and

> > > bought

> > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-

> > period

> > > giving

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened

> > that the

> > > > > > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-

> Ketu

> > > antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97,

> D-

> > 16

> > > had Leo

> > > > > > > > rising,

> > > > > > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn,

> > Rahu

> > > and

> > > > > > Ketu.

> > > > > > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari

> > dasa

> > > was

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes

> to

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Two minute Jaimini analysis (I have to attend to other duties).

Capricorn period from 2001 April to 2005 April. Ninth house has a

Jaimini rajayoga (PK/DK together). This is the house of higher

learning and travel. Synthesize with what VD is promising you have

the answer. Ak moon is in second and Amk venus is in 4th house. Not

bad at all. See Cap-Virgo from 2002 April to 2002 August. Again 9th

house is activated from Chara Dasha. Foreign travel and Good luck.

(I have not used any Arudha lagnas yet! I do know them -An Andhra

astrologet taught me).

Praveen:

I am not sure what your question meant. Let me interpret it this

way. Are you asking what if Rasi-Navamsa contradict each other?

Great question. Then I would stick with Rasi chart and do a

nakshatra based analysis of the planets in Rasi. This is an opinion.

I have not tested on lots of horoscopes.

One example: Rasi will promise/indicate divorce, where as navamsa

will show Jupiter's aspect on 7th house. Generally such cases -lot

of fights, no divorce. There are and could be exceptions. This is a

question we should research on and test on lots of horocopes or ask

the opinion of learned members.

Sharma

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

<chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> Brilliant Mr. Sharma. You seem to follow the lines drawn by Shri

K.N.Rao. It works well. Sat is PK with 7 karaka scheme. Give your

Jaimini analysis also.

> Now one question. What to conclude when indication by Rasi and

Navamsa are not confirmed in D-chart. Please give your opinion.

>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> -

> Sharma

> vedic astrology

> 19, 03, 2005 8:45 PM

> [vedic astrology] To Kartik< Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

dasa (Re:Accident schematic)

>

> Mr. Kartik

> Here's my analysis.

> The whole point of this excercise was to see the D1 and other

> Divisional chart promise (According to Mr. Karthik). I will take

the

> natives Rasi/Navamsa first.

> Sat-Moon from 2001 Sept to 2003 May. Fifth house indications.

Saturn

> MD lord is in 12th house, also happens to be fifth lord for this

> libra lagna native. Tenth lord in fifth is very good for

studies.

> But see what MD lord is promising - 12th house. And he is doing

> higher studies in US. Navams lagna is capricorn, In Navamsa Moon

is

> exlated-hence he will do very well in his studies (and alos

> fourth/kendra compared to Rasi chart). See the nakshatra of

moon -

> poorvabhadra ruled by jupiter and this jupiter is in 12th house.

> Jupiter as lord of 3/6 will give some competitive spirit, hard

work.

> So bottom line from only Rasi/Navamsa: Education in a foreign

> country with lot of hard work, competition and eventually

leading to

> distinction. He must have come to US with Assistanship (please

> confirm yes or no).

>

> Let's see D24 (Chaturvimsamsa) for higher learning. Lagna is

Taurus,

> Saturn (4/5 lord of rasi) is in 11th house of gains, aspecting

fifth

> house. Even D24 fifth lord-Mer is well placed. So overall it is

a

> very good period for education. Remember it is already confirmed

by

> Rasi/Navamsa chart.

>

> Take 18:09:40 as birth time (according to Shri Narasimhas's

> software, the cool feature I like). Lagna moves to Aries. And it

is

> picture of educational set back, or at best poor performance.

This

> contradicts our Rasi/Navams analysis.

>

> So let me summarize: Rasi/Navamsa is promising a good period -

> educationally. D24 Lagna will change within 3 minutes. If it is

> 18:09 it is bad period for education (contrary to Rasi/Navamsa).

If

> it is 18:12, it is good period (confirmning Rasi/Navamsa

promise).

>

> Bottom line: pick Rasi/Navamsa analysis and predict good period.

> Ignore D24, if you give Rasi/Navamsa 3 points of importance

each,

> give D24 1 point of importance only

>

> Hope this is the kind of analysis that you had hoped for Mr.

Kartik

> PS: For lack of time I have not done, Jaimini analysis. Saturn

is PK

> in Jaimini.

>

> Sharma

>

> vedic astrology, "amoebabhu"

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Praveenji,

> > I have tried to answer your questions in detail as

follows

> > (please tell me as to how you come to your conclusions as I am

> > strongly interested in understanding predictive astrology) :

> > The native is male.

> > 1.) TOB : 18:12 (hospital records), DOB : 04/30/1981

> > 2.) Margin of error : +/- 6 minutes

> > 3.) Nature : Fair minded, balanced, lazy, changing interests

> > Physical features : 6ft, athletic build.

> > 4.) Education : Engineering (07/1998-05/2002)

> > Masters (2002/08- present) with fellowship

> (changed

> > to science instead of engineering)

> > Moved to the US in the 1st week of 08/02.

> > 5.) Parents Profession : Father (High position

Engineer/Manager

> in

> > Defense), Mother (Housewife & does social service, highly

> respected).

> > 6.) Parents Health : Father is diabetic (some health problems

for

> > about a year since Jan 2004)

> > Please let me know if more details are required.

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > Please give following details:

> > > 1) Source of TOB, that is recorded meticulously, hospital

> record,

> > rectified etc.

> > > 2) Margin of error possible.

> > > 3) Some past trends / facts / events, may be other than you

want

> > to ask about. You may write about your nature, education,

> > profession, marriage / spouse if married / relationship,

good /

> bad

> > periods of past, parents' profession / status, health etc.

> > >

> > > I expect at least the sex of the native. However, with given

> data,

> > 5th house is activated. Hence, it may not be good for

children /

> > studies etc. Now, the native being just 20 then, we conclude

that

> > the period was not good for studies. This is mainly from Rasi

> chart.

> > If the native is a female, the other possibility is

involvement in

> a

> > typical love affair wherein issues related with pregnancy are

also

> > involved. This is my impression, prima-facie.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > >

> > > -

> > > amoebabhu

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 19, 03, 2005 8:59 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

(Re:

> > Accident schematic)

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > That was a lot of food for thought, I havent

> considered

> > it

> > > that way and does open an interesting line of thinking (in

my

> > mind

> > > at least). For further clarification Panditji I would like

> your

> > > opinion on an example in which the divisional charts and

the

> > natal

> > > chart showed conflicting results (in my humble opinion) in

two

> > time

> > > periods and I wanted to know as to what your opinion would

be

> > > (essentially as to how you would interpret this). The

example

> > is :

> > > DOB : 04/30/1981

> > > Time : 18:12 +/- 6 mins (100%) (I have fixed a time of

birth

> > but

> > > then I am not sure about this, if required I will e-mail

you

> the

> > > details of some incidents to fix the time of birth)

> > > Place : Hyderabad, India

> > > The times I am talking about are 07/30/2001-2003.

> > > and also the native is expecting some results (good/bad)

in

> the

> > next

> > > couple of months and according to me the divisional charts

> > showed

> > > different results from the natal chart ( I might be

completely

> > > wrong).

> > > Please do not consider this as a test, this purely for my

> > > understanding and I would appreciate it if you would show

me

> as

> > to

> > > how you would decipher this.

> > > Regards,

> > > Kartik

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > <navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

> gentleman

> > who

> > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> > permission to

> > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with

various

> > > divisional

> > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to

Mr.

> > pradeep

> > > if I

> > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding technical

> points.

> > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease

our

> > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

reason we

> > use

> > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical

sophistication.

> > > >

> > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why

should we

> > use

> > > our

> > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at

the

> > building

> > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and

steps)

> one

> > can

> > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > > >

> > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics

and

> goes

> > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha

> > whenever

> > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

> > knowing

> > > how

> > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a

division

> of

> > the

> > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I

got

> > > private

> > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > > >

> > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

matters,

> > but

> > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of

it

> as

> > a

> > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per

Shri

> > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas -

just

> the

> > > lords

> > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

trikonas

> etc

> > in

> > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is

> against

> > > > rules?.

> > > >

> > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will

fall.

> > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from

> basics.

> > If

> > > we

> > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be

erected

> on

> > > top.

> > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

techniques

> > we

> > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

> open

> > mind

> > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary

to

> > accept

> > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from

you

> > and

> > > vice

> > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this

in

> > the

> > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not

accept

> > > > anything blindly.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > -----

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Kartik,

> > > > >

> > > > > Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi

and

> it

> > > trumps all

> > > > > the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and

planets

> in

> > it

> > > or the

> > > > > 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go

jumping

> to

> > > divisional

> > > > > and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say

parashara

> > said

> > > to use

> > > > > it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into

> pedantic

> > > argument

> > > > > about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said

to

> use

> > > > > divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional

> > influence is

> > > a

> > > > > Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So

divisional

> 1-

> > 7

> > > axis is

> > > > > to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

> > factors

> > > are

> > > > > adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is

it

> is

> > not

> > > going

> > > > > to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in

rashi

> > but

> > > exalted

> > > > > in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one

of

> the

> > > > > strengths ( not THE strength).

> > > > >

> > > > > Now about twins, every one talks about it in

connection

> with

> > > > > divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception

and

> do

> > not

> > > go

> > > > > formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous

habit.

> I

> > am

> > > happy

> > > > > if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the

cases.

> > Also

> > > I have

> > > > > seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial

> > features

> > > > > different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s

or

> > 1000s of

> > > > > people born on the same day and time and place. This

is a

> > > conjecture,

> > > > > go and find hospital records and show me statistical

> record

> > of

> > > how

> > > > > many births tooks place at the same place and same

time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he

says

> Moon

> > is

> > > > > Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this

the

> > parashar

> > > who

> > > > > was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of

budhh,

> so

> > that

> > > > > shloka could mean that this was written at a much

later

> date

> > or

> > > it was

> > > > > added to the original text at a later date.He never

> mentions

> > > about

> > > > > kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,

(

> > Hart

> > > Defaw

> > > > > mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh

is

> in

> > > quadrant

> > > > > from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical

> immpossibility.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway the point is one has to be careful in

deciphering

> > what

> > > was said

> > > > > in ancient texts. There are controversies in many

areas of

> > > jyotish and

> > > > > in interpretation of classics. My point is to use

methods

> > that

> > > have

> > > > > been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really

> > surprised

> > > that

> > > > > people have calculated so many divisional charts in

the

> > past.

> > > May be

> > > > > for well to do who could pay money to have these

elaborate

> > > charts made

> > > > > precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna

> rashi,

> > Moon

> > > > > rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a

client

> > > insisted). In

> > > > > the north or may be south it was customary. it is not

so

> in

> > the

> > > > > western part of India.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

> > <amoebabhu>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Panditji,

> > > > > > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> > > personalized

> > > > > > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have

any

> > personal

> > > > > > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts

and

> not

> > > give much

> > > > > > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not

be

> true

> > > that a

> > > > > > large number of people (a relative terminology)

would

> end

> > up

> > > with

> > > > > > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the

other

> a

> > > pauper (

> > > > > > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Kartik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend

something

> that

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He

> > mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the

day

> > of

> > > parashar

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking

as

> if

> > you

> > > just

> > > > > > had a

> > > > > > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement

that

> > > divisional

> > > > > > came in

> > > > > > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a

> > novice

> > > with one

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > of training or less can put them up and can write

off

> > pages

> > > about

> > > > > > > which planet is where in which varga and from what

> rashi

> > > dasha he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in what house. Whether there are houses in

divisional

> > charts

> > > is a

> > > > > > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> > intention

> > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers',

as I

> do

> > not

> > > know

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I

have

> seen

> > a

> > > few on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on

> about

> > > divisionals

> > > > > > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no

tomorrow.

> I

> > put

> > > out my

> > > > > > > opinion for others to read, they can make their

own

> > > judgements

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want

to

> use

> > 5

> > > kinds of

> > > > > > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a

correct

> > > prediction, all

> > > > > > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a

> > approach

> > > that

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those

methods. I

> > am not

> > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an

> opinion

> > and

> > > an

> > > > > > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has

been

> > > taught by

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> > Raman..etc.),

> > > why

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People ask questions on this list and if I have

time

> and

> > > > > > inclination I

> > > > > > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so,

I

> feel

> > I

> > > have to

> > > > > > put

> > > > > > > my opinions out there for people on the list to

read.

> I

> > have

> > > not

> > > > > > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not

my

> > style.

> > > But if I

> > > > > > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I

voice

> > my

> > > opinion.

> > > > > > Let

> > > > > > > the members of the list decide what they want to

use.

> > Your

> > > methods

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone

> puts

> > out

> > > there

> > > > > > > views on the subject.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > > > > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It

would

> > > surprise me

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

> > > principles,

> > > > > > idioms,

> > > > > > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

> subjected

> > to

> > > > > > testing! On

> > > > > > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

> > > principles have

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

> probable

> > that

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that

matter

> no

> > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > work 100% and research is required! It could

also be

> > > entirely

> > > > > > > > probable that the chart could need some

> rectification.

> > One

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> > principles

> > > are

> > > > > > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon!

If

> > thats

> > > the

> > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer

programs

> > which

> > > made

> > > > > > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer

> days,by

> > the

> > > time

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified,

the

> > jatak

> > > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the

> past

> > few

> > > years

> > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal

applicability

> or

> > even

> > > > > > > > > applicability

> > > > > > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there

will

> be

> > one

> > > or two

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say

here

> in

> > the

> > > great

> > > > > > cold

> > > > > > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were

in

> > vogue

> > > since

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

> > defined

> > > and

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or

> Shastiamsa!

> > Are

> > > you

> > > > > > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked

about

> it

> > so

> > > that we

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had

nothing

> > better

> > > to

> > > > > > do???

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

> > depths of

> > > > > > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath,

> > grandfather of

> > > Pt

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions,

> > and ... you

> > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6

> > levels

> > > deep!

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of

time,

> > and

> > > hence,

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts.

Most

> of

> > the

> > > times,

> > > > > > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would

restrict

> > > themselves to

> > > > > > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions,

and

> they

> > do

> > > rely a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to

Rasi

> &

> > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition!

Oh

> > yes ...

> > > by the

> > > > > > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to

Rasi &

> > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the

results,

> > if not

> > > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

> > required

> > > to

> > > > > > come up

> > > > > > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> > > thoroughly. SJC

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is

no

> > formal

> > > > > > process

> > > > > > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously

in

> the

> > > coming

> > > > > > years!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to

spoon

> > > feed ... he

> > > > > > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly,

to

> whet

> > > their

> > > > > > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity

> breeds

> > > CHARACTER!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event

> which

> > is

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > known.

> > > > > > > > > On this list some time back one had an example

of

> > > father's

> > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

> > dwadashansha. Now

> > > > > > why ? Why

> > > > > > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?

Then

> why

> > not

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-

12 if

> > one

> > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then

arudh

> of

> > 9th

> > > in D-

> > > > > > 12. It

> > > > > > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can

cover

> > all 12

> > > > > > rashis

> > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running

at

> the

> > > time of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was

spoonfed!!

> > He

> > > too must

> > > > > > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN

Rao

> > and

> > > come up

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am

not

> > sure,

> > > if

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting

> > events,

> > > without

> > > > > > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have

and

> > > develop a

> > > > > > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75

> percent

> > > > > > cases.Then

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go

based

> on

> > the

> > > chart

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles

that

> > have

> > > been

> > > > > > > > developed

> > > > > > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those

> first.

> > > Trust me

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the

basis

> of

> > > > > > probability,

> > > > > > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an

event

> > > happening is

> > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining

the

> > event,

> > > these

> > > > > > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

although

> > they

> > > may be

> > > > > > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara

> > Bhratri

> > > Karak

> > > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an

incomplete

> and

> > a

> > > totally

> > > > > > > > inadequate research!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > > > Narayan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > > > > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it

> shows

> > > something

> > > > > > else.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled

(March

> > 1993,)

> > > I was

> > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was

in

> Dec

> > 1996

> > > and I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone

4:00:00

> > (East of

> > > GMT).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that

you

> > stated

> > > in your

> > > > > > > > email

> > > > > > > > > > unless there are others, which can be

applied,

> and

> > you

> > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > state.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mike

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "Narasimha

> > > P.V.R.

> > > > > > Rao"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> Accident

> > > schematic)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence

> Cars

> > come

> > > under

> > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all

yogas

> > > > > > (combinations) in

> > > > > > > > D16

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars.

Here

> A4

> > > should be

> > > > > > > > taken in

> > > > > > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and

> > anxieties

> > > > > > > > respectively,

> > > > > > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > > > > > > will show for matters related to

cars

> and

> > > other

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy

the

> car.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the

Yoga's

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > above.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

> > potential

> > > > > > problem

> > > > > > > > sign.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13

pm

> > (IST),

> > > > > > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December

> 1996

> > at

> > > 6:30 pm

> > > > > > > > (EST),

> > > > > > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

> > > was "totalled".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened

in Li-

> Ta

> > > > > > antardasa.

> > > > > > > > In my

> > > > > > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

> > 3rd/12th

> > > lord

> > > > > > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing

the

> > loss

> > > of a

> > > > > > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house,

> > showing

> > > > > > problems in

> > > > > > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule

of

> > > Narayana

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa

sign

> Li

> > is a

> > > > > > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

one-

> > third.

> > > Its

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he

gives

> > his

> > > results

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives

the

> > results

> > > of

> > > > > > > > occupants

> > > > > > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and

> they

> > are

> > > Venus,

> > > > > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes.

We

> > divide

> > > the

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > one-

> > > > > > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and

give

> them

> > to

> > > these

> > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect

on

> > mahadasa

> > > sign

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord,

> > occupies

> > > badhaka

> > > > > > > > sthana

> > > > > > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra.

So

> > the

> > > sub-

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not

only

> > did I

> > > have

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I

bought

> in

> > Jan

> > > 1997

> > > > > > > > suffered

> > > > > > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

> parked

> > in a

> > > > > > parking

> > > > > > > > lot.

> > > > > > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it

> > twice.

> > > After

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky"

car

> and

> > > bought

> > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the

sub-

> > period

> > > giving

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so

happened

> > that the

> > > > > > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was

Mercury-

> Ketu

> > > antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-

97,

> D-

> > 16

> > > had Leo

> > > > > > > > rising,

> > > > > > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord

Saturn,

> > Rahu

> > > and

> > > > > > Ketu.

> > > > > > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi

Ashtottari

> > dasa

> > > was

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never

seizes

> to

> > > amaze me!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sharma Kindly clariy

1. What is Jaimini Rajyoga? Is this Rajyoga not mentoned in BPHS?

2. When you say PK, is this Putrakaraka or Pitrikaraka?

3. You say "Ak moon is in second and Amk Venus is in 4th house Not bad at

all." Can you kindly elucidate what is good or bad or not bad for this

combination.

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>Sharma [nakshatras]

>Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:48 AM

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] To Kartik< Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

>dasa (Re:Accident schematic)

>

>Two minute Jaimini analysis (I have to attend to other duties).

>Capricorn period from 2001 April to 2005 April. Ninth house

>has a Jaimini rajayoga (PK/DK together). This is the house of

>higher learning and travel. Synthesize with what VD is

>promising you have the answer. Ak moon is in second and Amk

>venus is in 4th house. Not bad at all. See Cap-Virgo from 2002

>April to 2002 August. Again 9th house is activated from Chara

>Dasha. Foreign travel and Good luck.

>

>(I have not used any Arudha lagnas yet! I do know them -An

>Andhra astrologet taught me).

>

>Praveen:

>I am not sure what your question meant. Let me interpret it

>this way. Are you asking what if Rasi-Navamsa contradict each other?

>Great question. Then I would stick with Rasi chart and do a

>nakshatra based analysis of the planets in Rasi. This is an opinion.

>I have not tested on lots of horoscopes.

>One example: Rasi will promise/indicate divorce, where as

>navamsa will show Jupiter's aspect on 7th house. Generally

>such cases -lot of fights, no divorce. There are and could be

>exceptions. This is a question we should research on and test

>on lots of horocopes or ask the opinion of learned members.

>Sharma

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