Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Dear Ramanarayanan ji Pranaamam Without any request you came and understood my aatmasangharsha. I am indebted. There was blame for discussing this again and again. There are different paths - jnaana,bhakthi,karma ..I tried my best not to criticize anyone's path as each path is a learning exercise. If I had done it inadvertently forgive. My path was misunderstood as ego. When jnaana,how can one progress without getting answers?. Everyones ultimate goal is to understand the dhi. My current antardasha and transit/aspects ..... you have understood my quest. Kumbhabhishekham is once in 12 years. So I think the ''kumbham'' halting at four places in between can then be symbolically the four kendras -1,10,7,4 -dharmarthakaamamoksha? May be for same reason Guru is considered as akin to exalted in kumbha. >[Ramanarayanan]Death is not a full stop. It is infact a transformation. The secrets of life after death are closely guarded.What is required is the vairaghya of 'nachiketa' In Geetha it is mentioned, the soul takes the memory and indriyas along to the next janma. But I understand you - those secrets can be revealed only when we are ready with total perfection and Tapas. I never wanted to apply any force and hence told Hari - I am not ready yet. [Ramanarayanan]What does the holy 16 steps/shodasi reveals? You will >come face to face with you when you enter the 16th >>chamber (shodasa >varga). In the 16th chamber you will realise that you are the >'chitragupta' yourself(chitra means >>recorded imprints and images while >gupta means rahasya/secret).Do you know the 16th chamber? It is >called the shastyamsa. >The point that rises in the zodiac echoes its vibrations throughout >the zodiac. This is the most important understanding. >>The waves are >set in motion the movement a birth takes place. >You have a desire to swim but you are not sure of what would happen >next! The lagna that you hold in ksetra/rasi is the maximum effort >taken by you. The movement you take once step further you will knock >at the gates of hora(the lagna in vargas are the gates to next >school/level of understanding). Ramanarayan ji the above paragraph is most important. You have clearly said it. Lagna within Kshethra/Rashi is the physical plane. I cannot come out of it. I have been knocking and knocking. I could have simply accepted Hora chart for wealth, drekkana chart for siblings etc etc. But I cannot ? Why is that? I have asked the same question to Sanjay ji - '' What is lagna in drekkana, navamsha etc'' - He agreed that my question is valid. But he left the list before I got any answer. But you came in. You have shown the way. This lagna is me and as I progress along the steps ''me and I'' starts diminishing, and in the 16th chamber .....Thus by saying chitra gupta being ourselves - do you mean the soul evaluates itself there!! Good and bad deeds. Lagna in all amshas ''truly', are none other than us. It is same as what you have told - when our lagna enters through the gates of shastyamsha the lagna realizes itself. For the same reason I preferred to call it lagna navamsha, lagna drekkana , lagna shashtyamsha etc instead of navamsha lagna ,drekkana lagna etc. >[Ramanathan]Like the Lord, the zodiac is one but appears as many. >Vijayadas is one but he is husband to his wife, son to his parents.. >The angles differ. There are so many chakras. Yes. But these roles and thus bhavas for me are defined at the rashi/kshethra level. When we ''perceive'' navamsha kundali for spouse matters, and if we think lagna navamsha is for spouse - we are moving away from ''reality''. When we ''realize'' - Spouse ,brother ,father ,children etc are none other than us as far as our lagna in those amshas are concerned. I can understand that the rashi chakra can be perceived differently to understand various roles. For example my lagna is dhanu but my lagans navamsha is cancer. This means my lagna at one of the chambers is starting at cancer in this physical birth, as far as navamsha is concerned. Or as you have said, among the waves created by my lagna at entry ,one such goes and joins cancer. Similarly each planet will generate waves of different frequencies -each one corresponding to navamsha ,drekkana etc. The roles of these planets are again defined at rashi level. One lording my pitri bhava, one lording my matri bhava, one lording putra bhava etc. Its physical placement or lordship in rashi is according to its role. But the finer wave which corresponds to its amsha will join another sign. But by grouping these amsha signs what is the role we are going to see? For the same reason if we read hand written old horoscopes. It can read mithuna lagney ,Madhya drekkoney punya kumara/kumaree bhojathanaayi..... Here Madhya drekkona refers to our lagna. Also during analysis astrologer says lagna has bhagya navansh. Bhagya navamsha happens when the lagna is having its navamsha in the 9th lords sign.9th lord belongs to rashi. Similarly during another analysis the astrologer says kalathra nadha budha has amsha in lagna. Which means budhas navamsha sign is that of lagna. Lagna was deducted from rashi. This is the biggest block for me. >The life which you talk about is based on the energies expressed by >Sakthi. What about nisabdha? This is the beauty of kalachakra.>Mesha is the starting point of Savya chakra while Vrischika is the >starting point of the Apasavya chakra. As a coin has two faces/sides >similarly there are two faces to the same chakra. One is called as >the bahir muka while the other one is called as antar mukha Ramanarayan ji in the above paragraph lies the answer for my major doubt. I always had the conviction that zodiac is one. Siderial,tropical etc etc are steps towards the rashi chakra. For hari - by mandala I meant prapancha mandala or the universe. As you have clarified like lord this can be only one. But you have shown me the way again. Other side of the the same zodiac!! I can feel some free flow in me though just a beginning. Physically separate zodiacs are not possible and hence I could not move out my lagna from kshethra. I can also understand what is Apasavya. You have given the clue. I have to reverse. Vrischika the natural eighth is the beginning sign of apasvya chakra !!! The first transformation! Thanks a lot. Now as this is the same zodiac, but antarmukha - does it mean it is the side facing Narayana - which can be ''seen'' only when we ''realize'' a transformation ? If we just reverse the bahirmukha zodiac (reversing the bahirmukha drawn on a transparent paper) it becomes the antarmukha. Klachakra dasha is amazing!! [Ramanathan]What exactly is the problem! i find your Guru the lagna >lord placed beautifully in lagna is under the domain of the lord >'YAMA'. This direction of 'dhi' sakthi is undesireable as it gives >negative energies >of kalachakra only. How then can we change the direction? We need to >only pray to 'YAMA' who is Dharma personified. Light a lamp everyday >and chant the following mantra. "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA". YAMA would definitely be pleased and will definetly >allow you to progress further. >But i feel you are running the most important period of transformation >and you can utilise this >well. Catch hold of the mantra referred above and progress. I am indebted for this. Though abroad, I light lamp every day. I did start reciting the mantra rightaway. Let lord YAMA be kind. I know I have to wait. What is the speciality of ''BHIMA'' in this mantra. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Vijayadas, > > Namaste. Lagna is the seat of intelligence and Guru > signifies 'dhi' sakthi. Guru takes 12 years to come > back to its position held 12 years back. > Understanding the seat of intelligence and 'dhi' > sakthi is a 12 year process. You know the reason for > this! 8th house signifies transformation. Infact this > is the 1st transformation. While the 2nd > transformation is 3rd house(8th from 8th). The third > transformation is 10th house(8th from 3rd). This way > we understand that 6th house is the 11th > transformation and that lagna is the 12th > transformation. You might have heard about the > 'dhimantah' yoga which speaks about the illumination > of the intellect. The 2nd cycle of Guru begins in the > 13th year. We usually do kumbha abhishekam once in 12 > years. It is a return to garbha griha. > > Death is not a full stop. It is infact a > transformation. The secrets of life after death are > closely guarded. What is required is the vairaghya of > 'nachiketa'. > > What does the holy 16 steps/shodasi reveals? You will > come face to face with you when you enter the 16th > chamber(shodasa varga). In the 16th chamber you will > realise that you are the 'chitragupta' yourself(chitra > means recorded imprints and images while gupta means > rahasya/secret).Do you know the 16th chamber? It is > called the shastyamsa. > > The point that rises in the zodiac echoes its > vibrations throughout the zodiac. This is the most > important understanding. The waves are set in motion > the movement a birth takes place. > > You have a desire to swim but you are not sure of > what would happen next! The lagna that you hold in > ksetra/rasi is the maximum effort taken by you. The > movement you take once step further you will knock at > the gates of hora(the lagna in vargas are the gates to > next school/level of understanding). > > What exactly is the problem! i find your Guru the > lagna lord placed beautifully in lagna is under the > domain of the lord 'YAMA'. This direction of 'dhi' > sakthi is undesireable as it gives negative energies > of kalachakra only. How then can we change the > direction? We need to only pray to 'YAMA' who is > Dharma personified. Light a lamp everyday and chant > the following mantra. "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO > BHIMASHANKARAAYA". YAMA would definitely be pleased > and will definetly allow you to progress further. > > You are currently running the drig dasa of kataka > where ketu is placed. Incidentally kataka is your 8th > house which indicates a transformation. If you are > able to reverse and offer prayer to Lord Siva then > that is the best that can happen. > > Like the Lord, the zodiac is one but appears as many. > Vijayadas is one but he is husband to his wife, son to > his parents.. The angles differ. There are so many > chakras. The Guru chakra is only a replica of the > 'Brihaspati chakra'(please do understand that sapta > rishi mandala also moves - pushya nakshatra is lorded > by Brihaspati). > > The life which you talk about is based on the energies > expressed by Sakthi. What about nisabdha? This is > the beauty of kalachakra. Mesha is the starting point > of Savya chakra while Vrischika is the starting point > of the Apasavya chakra. As a coin has two faces/sides > similarly there are two faces to the same chakra. One > is called as the bahir muka while the other one is > called as antar mukha. > > i hope you got the clue. As regards mantra and diksha > you may please wait there is still some more time > left. But i feel you are running the most important > period of transformation and you can utilise this > well. Catch hold of the mantra referred above and > progress. > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > wrote: > > > > Dear Hari > > Thanks a lot for your kind mail and guidance.I will do > my homework and > reply later for other parts.. > > Regarding kalachakra i have read shri Ramanarayan jis > valauble write > up.There two zodiacs are being mentioned.Also you have > mentioned about > parasharas advise to draw apasavya and savya chakras. > > My understanding is as follows.Sages always use > narrations along with > philosophy to make the ganita easy.The stories from > ancient tamil > manuscripts are also the same.These are valuable > narrations to drive > home the point. > > I may be wrong but my understanding is - Zodiac is > one. > Normal navamshas that we have understood follows order > of 1,10,7,4. > That is 1st navamsha in aries is aries,first in taurus > is > capricorn,first in gemini is Libra,first in cancer is > cancer. > > When we study kalachakra we will find a jump after 3 > nakshathras or 12 > navamshas ,making us think it as another > zodiac.Actually this jump is > exactly to another sign ruled by the same > planet.Thereafter we have a > pratiloma movement. > > Now coming back to normal navamshas - After meena > navamsha ie end of > karttika one should have mesha as the first navamsha > for rohini.But it > is Vrischika for the same reason mentioned above - ie > common lordship > by Mars.Sage used term simhavalokan to make one > understand this > apasavya navamsha. > > I need some time ,and beleive with GOD's grace will be > able to explain > all gathis w.r to one zodiac. > > Prashara might have advised to draw two chakras > inorder to avoid > confusion between anuloma pratiloma for savya - > apasavya. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" > <onlyhari> wrote: > > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was > referring to > > > kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the > main mandala and it > > > is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r > to the rashi > > > chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the > fundamental divisions > > > should have a common base. Thus navamshas should > have a common link > > > (if not same - If you understand what I mean by > tattwa or belonging > > > to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- > kalachakra or varga > > > navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra > navamsha with varga > > > navamsha. Relations are possible. But our > understanding of varga > > > navamshas have to be restructured - similar to > shri Narasimhas > > > opinion. > > > > [Hari] What is this term called mandala? Is it to be > equated with > > zodiac or cakra? I am not clear. kalacakra dasa has > a whole set of > > principles to be understood and Ramanarayan/Sanjay > have given an > > outstanding explanation at the SJC Mumbai conference > > > > > > > (Pradeep) - I just want to know how this is > possible,when there is > > > neither sanction nor astronomical possibility. > > > > [Hari] That seems to be your stated opinion/bias. > Lets revisit it > > after some time. > > > > > > > (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which > is out of > > > context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of > ayanamsha's have no > > > relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and > starting point is your > > > choice. > > > > > > Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two > zodiacs. Savya and > > > Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right > and left. I cannot > > > tell you more on this at the moment. But it is > like this. Start from > > > Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd > and 4th fingers) of > > > your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers > of your left hand. > > > Next three again on your right hand and so on. We > will end up with > > > 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again > for right hand > > > nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd > and 4th fingers > > > as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as > bharani > > > group. Similarly there is a law for left hand > nakshathras. How this > > > comes is a question - it can be symbolically the > fingers of Lord > > > Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for > this. > > > > [Hari] Cakras are very much relevant here to the > creation on bhuloka. > > When we come to the computational details, then here > comes the > > ayanamsa and what not. No sir, I am not trying to > bring them here only > > introduce a step-by-step way of building up the > understanding of the > > whole Jyotisa sastra. And you are wrong in your > statement about > > kalacakra dasa; at the very beginning of kalacakra > dasa verses, > > Parasara advises us to draw two cakras: savya or > apasavya cakras in > > order to understand how the order of the kalacakra > dasa or the > > different gatis are arrived at. But your thinking > concerning savya and > > apasavya naksatras is very correct; the principle of > alternate right > > and left hand has a much deeper significance other > than being an > > efficient aid in remembering the computation of > kalacakra dasa. > > > > > > > (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can > answer your point (1) > > > only upon a condition. Condition is - you should > not ask me why we > > > have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we > agree about 12 > > > > [Hari] Somebody called Panditji has already answered > the question in > > another email; so now the logic of the 12 signs is > rooted in > > astronomy. Are you clear on this? Having divided the > zodiac into 12 > > signs or the dwadasa adityas, the next step is to > define the > > properties of the signs and the planets which is > done in the graha and > > rasi rupaadhyayah. > > > > > > > Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if > you have 12 signs > > > one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such > rashi's (together > > > constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions > of such > > > individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each > rashi becomes a > > > bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As > Lagna too is having a > > > sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. > > > > [Hari] wrong again; after defining the 12 signs > based on the repeating > > principle of sun & moon conjunction which symbolize > the creative > > principle at work (purusha & prakriti), the next > step is to ponder the > > influence of the signs on (say) humans...thus arose > the concept of > > kalapurusha. I request you to read the article on > creation by Pt > > Sanjay Rath to gain a deeper understanding. > > > > > > > > As you have said, I have been explaining this > umpteen times. But > > > still everyone is coming with the same question > again & again. > > > > [Hari] I understood you (as I have been following > your posts for quite > > sometime) but I want to walk the road with you > starting from the > > foundations upwards. In the process hopefully both > of us benefit. > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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