Multiple replies (Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri Narasimha)

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Dear Pradeep-ji,

Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

 

1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. Infact he

always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't allow an

event, it will not happen even if indications are there in the

higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi Parasara

has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively defining

the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. Why so much

importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

 

2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the same 4H shows

motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness and so on.

If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and then go

into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. The ideal

is to mix and match both of them.

 

3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born very close

in time to each other and have completely different capabilities and

personalities. You can read the details that Guru Narasimha-ji has

posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly read it

before making further comments.

 

I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to learning.

But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the same of

argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of learning.

I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and not

merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

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vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha ji

>

> You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you have said

> Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have not even

> understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi chakra

> properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one hand you

say

> combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other hand -

> there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main why do you

> want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so many yogas

> in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to all

> aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will we see the

> qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will we see

> Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house and 10th

lord

> in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and lord in

> dashamsha.

>

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on multiple

lists.

> These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more detailed

> reply. I may not actually be able to give any further replies on

> this thread.

> >

> > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

Germany?

> At 12 degrees

> > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> >

> > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00, please

> change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> >

> > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified lagna in

rasi

> and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> >

> > > You wrote:

> > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

> > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.

> >

> > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software in the

> second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing this out.

> I'll fix this.

> >

> > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa after

the

> age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for other dasas.

> >

> > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due

> respect

> > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of

varga -

> > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > >

> > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls

make

> it

> > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a

> planet/lagna

> > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on

> saptamsha -

> > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting -

> > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you

> hold a

> > > different position.

> >

> > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.

> >

> > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be judged

> together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the sake of

> simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer is not any

> single chart, but a combination of charts.

> >

> > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose the

> applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for education etc)

> rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works way better

> for me than rasi chart alone.

> >

> > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better results, it

is

> still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when

> shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> >

> > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various divisions

(e.g.

> physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2, professional

> matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-60. Also

in

> vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a higher

> weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> >

> > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect subject

and

> just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given so much

> importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a science

only

> when we master D-60.

> >

> > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas

> cannot

> > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean

that

> there

> > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the

results?

> Which

> > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division

by

> > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this

main?

> If we

> > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is

the

> main?

> >

> > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas

according

> to Parasara.

> >

> > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask me to

pick

> the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

mentioned

> above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and gave it

more

> weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining dasa varga

> vimsopaka bala.

> >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas repeating

> > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes

its

> >

> > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have different

> patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa and

> shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna does not

> repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> >

> > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is

> advance

> > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers of

> Jyotish

> > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised them,

> but

> > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most

> unfortunate !

> > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the God.

> >

> > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a whole

> generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is being

> misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully discover the

> teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a science is

> something that the coming generations will judge. Neither I nor

you

> are in a position to pre-judge it.

> >

> > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no need to talk

> about misguided generations.

> >

> > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well placed or

> even exalted,

> > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied in the

method

> of three

> > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when strong will

cause

> problems,

> > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the planets are

> strong they

> > > will give their auspicious results - he states that this

applies

> to both

> > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and in the

> fifth house, it

> > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent health is

> promised. This

> > > is not the problem.

> >

> > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha but also

> the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a muhurta

> happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it auspicious. This is

> just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If you have a

> different view, I can respect it.

> >

> > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the arudha

> lagna in the

> > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> >

> > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time mulling over

> Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra naathaanaam

> vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a conclusion.

> >

> > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope Benedict XVI's

> chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I used only the

> standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> >

> > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand this

clause

> correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with all. For

> now, I have no view.

> >

> > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes chart - good

> rectification.

> >

> > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar of your

> knowledge and abilities has concurred with my rectification.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

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