Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Dear Memebers Old mail from Pandit Sanjay Rath says: S.Rath: I agree. Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have special aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the Panapara Houses make a good astrologer. For example, the Atmakaraka associated with the 11th house is a sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish. How many astrolgers, astrology students, Panditji's, authors have this combination in this Vedic Astrology Group? Ps: Do not do a prashna on this and find out about my intentions.I did a prashna and jupiter is in lagna; smile Kramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Kramer, Namaskar. Let me use my understanding in this. I am following Guru Narasimha-ji's account. He has said that 2H (speech), 5H(intelligence/memory) 8H(occult knowledge) and 11H(gains) should be well connected in order to be a good astrolger. The chart of focus in D-24 and D-10. Ju is the planet of shastras and traditional learning, Ke is the karaka for astrological knowledge, Me is the planet for learning, Saturn is the planet for steadiness and discipline. In this way try to understand the effects of each planet and their owenership of these houses. Ju and Ke together or in association gives parampara knowledge in jyotisha. I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's blessings true wisdom in any field is not possible -- especially in traditional fields. But this is my opinion. At time of this posting, I find Lagna Lord Sun is exalted in the 9H with 10L Venus forming a strong Dharmakarmadhipati yoga. Ju is with Ke and Mo in the 2H indicating learning of sashtras. What does it mean ? Regards, Sourav ================================================================== vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" <giddyupguys> wrote: > > Dear Memebers > > Old mail from Pandit Sanjay Rath says: > > S.Rath: I agree. Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > to see > the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth is the > controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have special > aspect on > the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They are followed by > Mars who > can aspect the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the > Panapara > Houses make a good astrologer. For example, the Atmakaraka > associated with > the 11th house is a sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish. > > How many astrolgers, astrology students, Panditji's, authors have > this combination in this Vedic Astrology Group? > > > Ps: Do not do a prashna on this and find out about my intentions.I > did a prashna and jupiter is in lagna; smile > > Kramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Sourav Thanks for the reply. Very good explanation -appreciate that At time of this posting, I find Lagna Lord Sun is exalted in the 9H > with 10L Venus forming a strong Dharmakarmadhipati yoga. Ju is with > Ke and Mo in the 2H indicating learning of sashtras. What does it > mean ? It means that I want to know the answer to this query from other members of the group honestly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Sourav, Three questions: > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's blessings How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your rising sign? Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I thought. Can somebody explain? Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a planet right? Kramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Kramer, Namaskar. 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become as astrologer. 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is definite. Regards, Sourav ============================================================= vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" <giddyupguys> wrote: > > Sourav, > > Three questions: > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's blessings > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your rising > sign? > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I thought. > Can somebody explain? > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > planet right? > > Kramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Pt. Sanjay Rath wrote as you have mentioned :- For example, the Atmakaraka associated with the 11th house is a sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish.Hence I should excel in jyotish as My atmakarka Sun is in11th house of aries... party time for me ;-> utpalgiddyupguys <giddyupguys > wrote: Dear MemebersOld mail from Pandit Sanjay Rath says:S.Rath: I agree. Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to seethe future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth is thecontrolling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have special aspect onthe fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They are followed by Mars whocan aspect the 8th house. In a chart, planets associated with the PanaparaHouses make a good astrologer. For example, the Atmakaraka associated withthe 11th house is a sureshot combination for excellence in Jyotish.How many astrolgers, astrology students, Panditji's, authors have this combination in this Vedic Astrology Group? Ps: Do not do a prashna on this and find out about my intentions.I did a prashna and jupiter is in lagna; smileKramerArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 [ Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > planet right?] Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as very important by ancient writers. Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about Rahu's 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on to you for your intrest.. Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only inimical to Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our dear demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so Rahu also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a person to follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th house, Rahu wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house aspect and wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' just occured to write few lines to a already better learned person. utpal Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Kramer, Namaskar. 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection.2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become as astrologer.3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is definite.Regards,Sourav============================================================= vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" <giddyupguys> wrote:> > Sourav,> > Three questions:> > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's blessings > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your rising > sign?> > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I thought.> Can somebody explain?> > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > planet right?> > KramerArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Pathak-bhai, Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a fresh view to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have special aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa-vidya (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows occult knowledge. Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H quality. Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars can give 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you rightly pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead knowledge to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to having a 5th aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and sashtras traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance over Rahu. There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' hence Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to understand jyotisha. However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha talent by seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or their lords. All planets have different qualities and can influence jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa signifies discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component for a good jyotishi. Again, thanks for your good posting. Regards, Sourav ===================================================================== vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > [ > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > > planet right? > ] > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as very important by ancient writers. > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about Rahu's 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on to you for your intrest.. > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only inimical to Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our dear demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so Rahu also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a person to follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th house, Rahu wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house aspect and wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better learned person. > > utpal > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Kramer, > Namaskar. > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become as > astrologer. > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is > definite. > > Regards, > > Sourav > ============================================================= > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > Sourav, > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's > blessings > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your > rising > > sign? > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I > thought. > > Can somebody explain? > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > > planet right? > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Sourav Bhai, Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in 11th house. I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge for hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not asking this because i have that perticular combination but I need some more technical clarifications. utpal vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a fresh view > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth is > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have special > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They are > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa-vidya > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows occult > knowledge. > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H quality. > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars can give > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you rightly > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead knowledge > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to having a 5th > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and sashtras > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance over Rahu. > There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' hence > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to understand > jyotisha. > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha talent by > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or their > lords. All planets have different qualities and can influence > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa signifies > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component for a good > jyotishi. > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > Regards, > > Sourav > ===================================================================== > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > [ > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > > > planet right? > > ] > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as very > important by ancient writers. > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about Rahu's > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on to you > for your intrest.. > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only inimical to > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our dear > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so Rahu > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a person to > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th house, Rahu > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house aspect and > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better learned person. > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Kramer, > > Namaskar. > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become > as > > astrologer. > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is > > definite. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > ============================================================= > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's > > blessings > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your > > rising > > > sign? > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I > > thought. > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > > > planet right? > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Pathak-bhai, Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time but let me share my thoughts. 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and hence are mutually supportive. Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the kaamatrikona. It has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of - worshipping the deities and the good - extreme cunningness - wishfulfillment - wisdom AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement in any of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the 11H in the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct opportunity to aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha drishti of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. This is only to my understanding and interpretation. Regards, Sourav ===================================================================== vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > Sourav Bhai, > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in 11th > house. > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge for > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not asking > this because i have that perticular combination but I need some more > technical clarifications. > > utpal > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a fresh view > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth > is > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have special > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They are > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa-vidya > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows occult > > knowledge. > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H quality. > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars can give > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you rightly > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead knowledge > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to having a 5th > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and sashtras > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance over Rahu. > > There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' hence > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to understand > > jyotisha. > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha talent > by > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or their > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can influence > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa signifies > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component for a > good > > jyotishi. > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > [ > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > > > > planet right? > > > ] > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as very > > important by ancient writers. > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about Rahu's > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on to you > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only inimical to > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our dear > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so Rahu > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a person > to > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th house, Rahu > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house aspect > and > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better learned > person. > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become > > as > > > astrologer. > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is > > > definite. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's > > > blessings > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your > > > rising > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I > > > thought. > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not > a > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Sourav 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of Mantra and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. It is not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house(8th from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house(mantra). Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the Jeevatman but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No planet can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the rupa/guna. When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets of the world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not be the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in 11th house, the Block of fifth house is removed. Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give interest in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. Best wishes partha vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time but let > me share my thoughts. > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and hence > are mutually supportive. > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the kaamatrikona. It > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > - worshipping the deities and the good > - extreme cunningness > - wishfulfillment > - wisdom > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement in any > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the 11H in > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct opportunity to > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha drishti > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > Regards, > > Sourav > ===================================================================== > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in 11th > > house. > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge for > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not > asking > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need some > more > > technical clarifications. > > > > utpal > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a fresh > view > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the > fifth > > is > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have > special > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They > are > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa-vidya > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows occult > > > knowledge. > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H quality. > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars can > give > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you rightly > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > knowledge > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to having a > 5th > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and sashtras > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance over > Rahu. > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' > hence > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to understand > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha > talent > > by > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or their > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can influence > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa signifies > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component for a > > good > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > [ > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is > not a > > > > > planet right? > > > > ] > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as very > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about > Rahu's > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on to > you > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only inimical to > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our dear > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so > Rahu > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a > person > > to > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th house, > Rahu > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house aspect > > and > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better learned > > person. > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily > become > > > as > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement > is > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably > good > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according > your > > > > rising > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a > good > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I > > > > thought. > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is > not > > a > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Partha-ji, Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However there are two issues: 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka of this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th house in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents samsara (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-vidya. 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) and its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to be associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge of the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or two generations ahead of the native. More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11, Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H (occult) from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to be the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from which 11H is the 4th. 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I intend to learn this carefully. Regards, Sourav =================================================================== vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of Mantra > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. It is > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house (8th > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house(mantra). > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the Jeevatman > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No planet > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the rupa/guna. > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets of the > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not be > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in 11th > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give interest > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > Best wishes > partha > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time but let > > me share my thoughts. > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and hence > > are mutually supportive. > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the kaamatrikona. It > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > - extreme cunningness > > - wishfulfillment > > - wisdom > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement in > any > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the 11H in > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct opportunity to > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha drishti > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > > ===================================================================== > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in 11th > > > house. > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge for > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not > > asking > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need some > > more > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a fresh > > view > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the > > fifth > > > is > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have > > special > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They > > are > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa-vidya > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows occult > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > quality. > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars can > > give > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you rightly > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > > knowledge > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to having a > > 5th > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and sashtras > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance over > > Rahu. > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' > > hence > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > understand > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha > > talent > > > by > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or their > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can influence > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa signifies > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component for a > > > good > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > [ > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is > > not a > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as very > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about > > Rahu's > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on to > > you > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only inimical > to > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our > dear > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so > > Rahu > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a > > person > > > to > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th house, > > Rahu > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house > aspect > > > and > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better learned > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily > > become > > > > as > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement > > is > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably > > good > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according > > your > > > > > rising > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a > > good > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I > > > > > thought. > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is > > not > > > a > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Sourav The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d-20, 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is the basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa 9th represents undergraduate 2nd house-post graduation 7th house-doctoral 12th house -post doctoral. Now this is for mundane level studies. In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th house schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning 12th house for Spiritual learning. The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of 9th and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but also for gurupadesa. The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think as to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house. Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. 8th house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows learning of the same. Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity is seen from 5th house. AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. best wishes partha vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Partha-ji, > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > there are two issues: > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka of > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th house > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents samsara > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-vidya. > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) and > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to be > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge of > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or two > generations ahead of the native. > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11, > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H (occult) > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to be > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > which 11H is the 4th. > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I intend > to learn this carefully. > > Regards, > > Sourav > =================================================================== > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of Mantra > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. It > is > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house > (8th > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house(mantra). > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the Jeevatman > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No > planet > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the rupa/guna. > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets of > the > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not be > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in 11th > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > interest > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > Best wishes > > partha > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time but > let > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and > hence > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the kaamatrikona. > It > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > - extreme cunningness > > > - wishfulfillment > > > - wisdom > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement in > > any > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the 11H > in > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct opportunity > to > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha > drishti > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge > for > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not > > > asking > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need > some > > > more > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a > fresh > > > view > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the > > > fifth > > > > is > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have > > > special > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. > They > > > are > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- vidya > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows occult > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > > quality. > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars > can > > > give > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you > rightly > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > > > knowledge > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > having a > > > 5th > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > sashtras > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance > over > > > Rahu. > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' > > > hence > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > understand > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha > > > talent > > > > by > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or > their > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > influence > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > signifies > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component > for a > > > > good > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > [ > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It > is > > > not a > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as > very > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about > > > Rahu's > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on > to > > > you > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > inimical > > to > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our > > dear > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so > > > Rahu > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a > > > person > > > > to > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th > house, > > > Rahu > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house > > aspect > > > > and > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > learned > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily > > > become > > > > > as > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > involvement > > > is > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably > > > good > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without > Guru's > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according > > > your > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be > a > > > good > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is > what I > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It > is > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Souravji & Parthaji, I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of Atmakarak & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the subject of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a 4th house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically accept the rule which is described as under as we know that 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & 11th. as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate interest in astrology and allied studies. 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the Direction/desire of one's atma 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such as astrology. 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, also the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all the above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to 8th and 5th even causes virodh argala. With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt accept the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other occult knowledge. will be hapy to know your views. best regards Utpal vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d- 20, > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is the > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > 9th represents undergraduate > 2nd house-post graduation > 7th house-doctoral > 12th house -post doctoral. > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th house > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of 9th > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but also > for gurupadesa. > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think as > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house. > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. 8th > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > learning of the same. > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity is > seen from 5th house. > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > best wishes > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > there are two issues: > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka of > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th house > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents samsara > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-vidya. > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) and > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to be > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge of > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or two > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11, > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H (occult) > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to be > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I intend > > to learn this carefully. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > =================================================================== > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > Mantra > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. It > > is > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house > > (8th > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house (mantra). > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > Jeevatman > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No > > planet > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the rupa/guna. > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets of > > the > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not > be > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in 11th > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > interest > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time but > > let > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and > > hence > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the kaamatrikona. > > It > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement > in > > > any > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the 11H > > in > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct opportunity > > to > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha > > drishti > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in > > 11th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge > > for > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not > > > > asking > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need > > some > > > > more > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a > > fresh > > > > view > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the > > > > fifth > > > > > is > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have > > > > special > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. > > They > > > > are > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- > vidya > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > occult > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > > > quality. > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars > > can > > > > give > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you > > rightly > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > > > > knowledge > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > having a > > > > 5th > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > sashtras > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance > > over > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' > > > > hence > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > understand > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha > > > > talent > > > > > by > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or > > their > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > influence > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > signifies > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component > > for a > > > > > good > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It > > is > > > > not a > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as > > very > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on > > to > > > > you > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > inimical > > > to > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our > > > dear > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish > so > > > > Rahu > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and > for > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a > > > > person > > > > > to > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th > > house, > > > > Rahu > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house > > > aspect > > > > > and > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > learned > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > necessarily > > > > become > > > > > > as > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > involvement > > > > is > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > reasonably > > > > good > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without > > Guru's > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > according > > > > your > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be > > a > > > > good > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is > > what I > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It > > is > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Utpal Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with a pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are neither interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects. BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya yoga, have you read it. Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga. best wishes partha vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > Dear Souravji & Parthaji, > > I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of Atmakarak > & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. > as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not > understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the subject > of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a 4th > house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. > > but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically accept > the rule which is described as under > > as we know that > 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & 11th. > as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate > interest in astrology and allied studies. > > 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > Direction/desire of one's atma > > 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th > > 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such as > astrology. > > 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, also > the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) > > Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product > comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all the > above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is > that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th > house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to 8th > and 5th even causes virodh argala. > > With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt accept > the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other > occult knowledge. > > will be hapy to know your views. > > best regards > > Utpal > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d- > 20, > > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is > the > > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > > 9th represents undergraduate > > 2nd house-post graduation > > 7th house-doctoral > > 12th house -post doctoral. > > > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th > house > > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of 9th > > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but also > > for gurupadesa. > > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think > as > > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house. > > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. > 8th > > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > > learning of the same. > > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity is > > seen from 5th house. > > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > > there are two issues: > > > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka > of > > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th > house > > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents > samsara > > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of > > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated > > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-vidya. > > > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) > and > > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is > > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to > be > > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge > of > > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or > two > > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11, > > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H > (occult) > > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to > be > > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The > > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered > > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I > intend > > > to learn this carefully. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > > Mantra > > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? > > > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. > It > > > is > > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house > > > (8th > > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house > (mantra). > > > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > > Jeevatman > > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No > > > planet > > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the > rupa/guna. > > > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets > of > > > the > > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not > > be > > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in > 11th > > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > > interest > > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > partha > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time > but > > > let > > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and > > > hence > > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > kaamatrikona. > > > It > > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement > > in > > > > any > > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the > 11H > > > in > > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > opportunity > > > to > > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha > > > drishti > > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement > in > > > 11th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & > knowledge > > > for > > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance > of > > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am > not > > > > > asking > > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need > > > some > > > > > more > > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a > > > fresh > > > > > view > > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, > the > > > > > fifth > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu > have > > > > > special > > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. > > > They > > > > > are > > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- > > vidya > > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > > occult > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > > > > quality. > > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give > jyotisha > > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars > > > can > > > > > give > > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you > > > rightly > > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > > having a > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > > sashtras > > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance > > > over > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of > a 'researcher' > > > > > hence > > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > > understand > > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of > jyotisha > > > > > talent > > > > > > by > > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or > > > their > > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > > influence > > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > > signifies > > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component > > > for a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: > It > > > is > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as > > > very > > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what > about > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it > on > > > to > > > > > you > > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > > inimical > > > > to > > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, > our > > > > dear > > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish > > so > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and > > for > > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants > a > > > > > person > > > > > > to > > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th > > > house, > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house > > > > aspect > > > > > > and > > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > > learned > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > necessarily > > > > > become > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > > involvement > > > > > is > > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > > reasonably > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > > according > > > > > your > > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to > be > > > a > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is > > > what I > > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: > It > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any rule with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working for every chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or otherwise of a peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion as it will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'. I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his 300 imp.combination book and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if looking for the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for Matsya yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while erading it that it may not be impossible but must be rare. I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved by all, very respectable etc.. if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna, 4th, 7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having combination of Malefic & Benefic ? am i missing something? Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me. regards, Pathak"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu > wrote: Dear UtpalOfcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with a pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are neither interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects.BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya yoga, have you read it.Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.best wishesparthavedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > Dear Souravji & Parthaji,> > I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of Atmakarak> & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.> as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not > understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the subject > of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a 4th > house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.> > but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically accept > the rule which is described as under> > as we know that> 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & 11th. > as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate > interest in astrology and allied studies.> > 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > Direction/desire of one's atma> > 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th> > 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such as > astrology.> > 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, also > the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra)> > Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product > comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all the > above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is > that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th > house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to 8th > and 5th even causes virodh argala.> > With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt accept > the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other > occult knowledge.> > will be hapy to know your views.> > best regards> > Utpal> > > --- In vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > > Dear Sourav> > > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d-> 20, > > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20> > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is > the > > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.> > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya.> > > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa> > 9th represents undergraduate> > 2nd house-post graduation> > 7th house-doctoral> > 12th house -post doctoral.> > > > Now this is for mundane level studies.> > > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th > house > > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning> > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning> > 12th house for Spiritual learning.> > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of 9th > > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but also > > for gurupadesa.> > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think > as > > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house.> > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.> > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. > 8th > > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > > learning of the same.> > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity is > > seen from 5th house.> > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma.> > > > best wishes> > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > Dear Partha-ji,> > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However> > > there are two issues:> > > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is> > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the> > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka > of> > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th > house> > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents > samsara> > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of> > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated> > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-vidya.> > > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) > and> > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is> > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to > be> > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya.> > > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge > of> > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or > two> > > generations ahead of the native.> > > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11,> > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications)> > > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H > (occult)> > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to > be> > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The> > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered> > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from> > > which 11H is the 4th.> > > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a> > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I > intend> > > to learn this carefully.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sourav> > > > ===================================================================> > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Sourav> > > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > > Mantra > > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then?> > > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. > It > > > is > > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house> > > (8th > > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house> (mantra).> > > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > > Jeevatman > > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No > > > planet > > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the > rupa/guna.> > > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets > of > > > the > > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not > > be > > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in > 11th > > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed.> > > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > > interest > > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice.> > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > partha> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai,> > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time > but > > > let > > > > > me share my thoughts.> > > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and > > > hence > > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > kaamatrikona. > > > It > > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good> > > > > - extreme cunningness> > > > > - wishfulfillment> > > > > - wisdom> > > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement > > in > > > > any > > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the > 11H > > > in > > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > opportunity > > > to > > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha > > > drishti > > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire.> > > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =====================================================================> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement > in > > > 11th > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & > knowledge > > > for > > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance > of > > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am > not > > > > > asking > > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need > > > some > > > > > more > > > > > > technical clarifications.> > > > > > > > > > > > utpal> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai,> > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a > > > fresh > > > > > view > > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability> > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, > the > > > > > fifth > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu > have > > > > > special> > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. > > > They > > > > > are > > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa-> > vidya > > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > > occult > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > > > > quality. > > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give > jyotisha > > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars > > > can > > > > > give > > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you > > > rightly > > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > > having a > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > > sashtras > > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance > > > over > > > > > Rahu.> > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of > a 'researcher' > > > > > hence > > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > > understand > > > > > > > jyotisha.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of > jyotisha > > > > > talent > > > > > > by > > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or > > > their > > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > > influence > > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > > signifies > > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component > > > for a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > jyotishi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =====================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,> > > > > > > > [> > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: > It > > > is > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > planet right?> > > > > > > > ]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as > > > very > > > > > > > important by ancient writers.> > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what > about > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it > on > > > to > > > > > you > > > > > > > for your intrest..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > > inimical > > > > to > > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, > our > > > > dear > > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish > > so > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and > > for > > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants > a > > > > > person > > > > > > to > > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th > > > house, > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house > > > > aspect > > > > > > and > > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > > learned > > > > > > person.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer,> > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > > connection.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > necessarily > > > > > become > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > > involvement > > > > > is > > > > > > > > definite.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > > reasonably > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > > according > > > > > your > > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > > sign?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to > be > > > a > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is > > > what I > > > > > > > > thought.> > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: > It > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > planet right?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > > > > astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Utpal Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as Rahu is a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for Jyotish (refer Jaimini Sutras). THe condition is a) A benefic in lagna or 9th b) A malefic in 4th or 8th c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic). Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna Rahu in fourth Venus and Sun in fifth He has perfect Matsya Yoga myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects it) No other planet aspects it Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard life) Jupiter and ketu in fifth. My chart is also there on Srijagannath site. note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon when Waxing. Best wishes partha vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > Respected Partha Garu, > > Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any rule with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working for every chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or otherwise of a peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion as it will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'. > > I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his 300 imp.combination book > and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if looking for the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for Matsya yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while erading it that it may not be impossible but must be rare. > > I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved by all, very respectable etc.. > > if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna, 4th, 7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having combination of Malefic & Benefic ? > > am i missing something? > > Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me. > > regards, > > Pathak > > "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Utpal > > Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with a > pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are neither > interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects. > > BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya yoga, > have you read it. > Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga. > > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > Dear Souravji & Parthaji, > > > > I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of > Atmakarak > > & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. > > as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not > > understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the > subject > > of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a 4th > > house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. > > > > but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically accept > > the rule which is described as under > > > > as we know that > > 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & 11th. > > as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate > > interest in astrology and allied studies. > > > > 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > > Direction/desire of one's atma > > > > 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th > > > > 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such as > > astrology. > > > > 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, > also > > the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) > > > > Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product > > comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all the > > above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is > > that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th > > house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to 8th > > and 5th even causes virodh argala. > > > > With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt > accept > > the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other > > occult knowledge. > > > > will be hapy to know your views. > > > > best regards > > > > Utpal > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d- > > 20, > > > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > > > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is > > the > > > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > > > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > > > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > > > > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > > > 9th represents undergraduate > > > 2nd house-post graduation > > > 7th house-doctoral > > > 12th house -post doctoral. > > > > > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > > > > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th > > house > > > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > > > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > > > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > > > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of > 9th > > > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but > also > > > for gurupadesa. > > > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think > > as > > > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house. > > > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > > > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. > > 8th > > > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > > > learning of the same. > > > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity > is > > > seen from 5th house. > > > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > > > > > best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > > > there are two issues: > > > > > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > > > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the > karaka > > of > > > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th > > house > > > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents > > samsara > > > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light > of > > > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated > > > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para- vidya. > > > > > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) > > and > > > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he > is > > > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has > to > > be > > > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows > knowledge > > of > > > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one > or > > two > > > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. > 11, > > > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H > > (occult) > > > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this > to > > be > > > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The > > > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered > > > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > > > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I > > intend > > > > to learn this carefully. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > > > Mantra > > > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology > then? > > > > > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. > > It > > > > is > > > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th > house > > > > (8th > > > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house > > (mantra). > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > > > Jeevatman > > > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No > > > > planet > > > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the > > rupa/guna. > > > > > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the > secrets > > of > > > > the > > > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need > not > > > be > > > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in > > 11th > > > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > > > interest > > > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to > exactly > > > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time > > but > > > > let > > > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart > and > > > > hence > > > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > > kaamatrikona. > > > > It > > > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) > of > > > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its > involvement > > > in > > > > > any > > > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes > very > > > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the > > 11H > > > > in > > > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > > opportunity > > > > to > > > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha > > > > drishti > > > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement > > in > > > > 11th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & > > knowledge > > > > for > > > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance > > of > > > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am > > not > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I > need > > > > some > > > > > > more > > > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a > > > > fresh > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, > > the > > > > > > fifth > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu > > have > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best > astrologers. > > > > They > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- > > > vidya > > > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > > > occult > > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give > > jyotisha > > > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and > Mars > > > > can > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you > > > > rightly > > > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can > lead > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > > > having a > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > > > sashtras > > > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added > significance > > > > over > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of > > a 'researcher' > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of > > jyotisha > > > > > > talent > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H > or > > > > their > > > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > > > influence > > > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > > > signifies > > > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary > component > > > > for a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: > > It > > > > is > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted > as > > > > very > > > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what > > about > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass > it > > on > > > > to > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > > > inimical > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, > > our > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach > Jyotish > > > so > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way > and > > > for > > > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities > wants > > a > > > > > > person > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th > > > > house, > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th > house > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > > > learned > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > > necessarily > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > > > involvement > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > > > reasonably > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that > without > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > > > according > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one > to > > be > > > > a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord > is > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > house: > > It > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Partha Garu, > THe condition is > > a) A benefic in lagna or 9th > b) A malefic in 4th or 8th > c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic). > Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga. If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't include 'OR' option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know even to translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact details from the book. It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the site. Thanks & regards, utpal vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Utpal > > Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as Rahu is > a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for Jyotish > (refer Jaimini Sutras). > > THe condition is > > a) A benefic in lagna or 9th > b) A malefic in 4th or 8th > c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic). > > Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna > Rahu in fourth > Venus and Sun in fifth > He has perfect Matsya Yoga > > myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects it) No > other planet aspects it > Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard life) > Jupiter and ketu in fifth. > My chart is also there on Srijagannath site. > > note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon when Waxing. > > Best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > Respected Partha Garu, > > > > Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any rule > with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working for every > chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or otherwise of a > peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion as it > will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'. > > > > I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his 300 > imp.combination book > > and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if looking for > the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for Matsya > yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while erading > it that it may not be impossible but must be rare. > > > > I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved by > all, very respectable etc.. > > > > if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna, 4th, > 7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having combination of > Malefic & Benefic ? > > > > am i missing something? > > > > Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me. > > > > regards, > > > > Pathak > > > > "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Utpal > > > > Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with a > > pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are > neither > > interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects. > > > > BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya yoga, > > have you read it. > > Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga. > > > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Souravji & Parthaji, > > > > > > I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of > > Atmakarak > > > & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. > > > as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not > > > understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the > > subject > > > of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a > 4th > > > house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. > > > > > > but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically > accept > > > the rule which is described as under > > > > > > as we know that > > > 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & > 11th. > > > as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate > > > interest in astrology and allied studies. > > > > > > 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > > > Direction/desire of one's atma > > > > > > 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th > > > > > > 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such > as > > > astrology. > > > > > > 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, > > also > > > the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) > > > > > > Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting > product > > > comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all > the > > > above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is > > > that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th > > > house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to > 8th > > > and 5th even causes virodh argala. > > > > > > With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt > > accept > > > the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other > > > occult knowledge. > > > > > > will be hapy to know your views. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example > d- > > > 20, > > > > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > > > > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house > is > > > the > > > > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > > > > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as > 12 > > > > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > > > > > > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > > > > 9th represents undergraduate > > > > 2nd house-post graduation > > > > 7th house-doctoral > > > > 12th house -post doctoral. > > > > > > > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > > > > > > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th > > > house > > > > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > > > > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > > > > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > > > > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of > > 9th > > > > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but > > also > > > > for gurupadesa. > > > > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to > think > > > as > > > > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th > house. > > > > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > > > > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th > house. > > > 8th > > > > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > > > > learning of the same. > > > > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity > > is > > > > seen from 5th house. > > > > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > > > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > > > > there are two issues: > > > > > > > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It > is > > > > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > > > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the > > karaka > > > of > > > > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the > 4th > > > house > > > > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents > > > samsara > > > > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the > light > > of > > > > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge > associated > > > > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para- > vidya. > > > > > > > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual > knowledge) > > > and > > > > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as > he > > is > > > > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has > > to > > > be > > > > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > > > > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows > > knowledge > > > of > > > > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one > > or > > > two > > > > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > > > > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. > > 11, > > > > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > > > > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H > > > (occult) > > > > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this > > to > > > be > > > > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. > The > > > > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being > considered > > > > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house > from > > > > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > > > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I > > > intend > > > > > to learn this carefully. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > > > > Mantra > > > > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology > > then? > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also > mantra. > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th > > house > > > > > (8th > > > > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house > > > (mantra). > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > > > > Jeevatman > > > > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. > No > > > > > planet > > > > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the > > > rupa/guna. > > > > > > > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the > > secrets > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need > > not > > > > be > > > > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in > > > 11th > > > > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can > give > > > > > interest > > > > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to > > exactly > > > > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of > time > > > but > > > > > let > > > > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H > (occult > > > > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart > > and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > > > kaamatrikona. > > > > > It > > > > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. > It > > > > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) > > of > > > > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its > > involvement > > > > in > > > > > > any > > > > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in > 11H > > > > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes > > very > > > > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in > the > > > 11H > > > > > in > > > > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable > of > > > > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > > > opportunity > > > > > to > > > > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! > Graha > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's > placement > > > in > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & > > > knowledge > > > > > for > > > > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much > importance > > > of > > > > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I > am > > > not > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I > > need > > > > > some > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav > > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add > a > > > > > fresh > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the > ability > > > > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of > these, > > > the > > > > > > > fifth > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and > Rahu > > > have > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best > > astrologers. > > > > > They > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows > aparaa- > > > > vidya > > > > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > > > > occult > > > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and > 8H > > > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give > > > jyotisha > > > > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and > > Mars > > > > > can > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As > you > > > > > rightly > > > > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can > > lead > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition > to > > > > > having a > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence > and > > > > > sashtras > > > > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added > > significance > > > > > over > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of > > > a 'researcher' > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of > > > jyotisha > > > > > > > talent > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H > > or > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > > > > signifies > > > > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary > > component > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > house: > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are > accepted > > as > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what > > > about > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass > > it > > > on > > > > > to > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > > > > inimical > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign > aspect, > > > our > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach > > Jyotish > > > > so > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way > > and > > > > for > > > > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities > > wants > > > a > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting > 9th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th > > house > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > > > > involvement > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > > > > reasonably > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that > > without > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > > > > according > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one > > to > > > be > > > > > a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord > > is > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > > house: > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Utpal, Partha and friends Just to give you more thoughts: The Sankaracharya of Sringeri, His Holiness Jagadguru Sri Bharathi Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His Holiness has Ketu in the 9th, Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th. Ref: Jataka Parijaatha Sloka 146. Best wishes R. Kasthuri Rangan utpal pathak wrote: Dear Partha Garu, THe condition is a) A benefic in lagna or 9th b) A malefic in 4th or 8th c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic). Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga. If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't include 'OR' option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know even to translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact details from the book. It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the site. Thanks & regards, utpal vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: Dear Utpal Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as Rahu is a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for Jyotish (refer Jaimini Sutras). THe condition is a) A benefic in lagna or 9th b) A malefic in 4th or 8th c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic). Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna Rahu in fourth Venus and Sun in fifth He has perfect Matsya Yoga myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects it) No other planet aspects it Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard life) Jupiter and ketu in fifth. My chart is also there on Srijagannath site. note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon when Waxing. Best wishes partha vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: Respected Partha Garu, Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any rule with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working for every chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or otherwise of a peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion as it will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'. I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his 300 imp.combination book and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if looking for the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for Matsya yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while erading it that it may not be impossible but must be rare. I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved by all, very respectable etc.. if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna, 4th, 7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having combination of Malefic & Benefic ? am i missing something? Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me. regards, Pathak "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: Dear Utpal Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with a pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are neither interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects. BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya yoga, have you read it. Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga. best wishes partha vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: Dear Souravji & Parthaji, I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of Atmakarak & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the subject of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a 4th house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically accept the rule which is described as under as we know that 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & 11th. as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate interest in astrology and allied studies. 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the Direction/desire of one's atma 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such as astrology. 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, also the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all the above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to 8th and 5th even causes virodh argala. With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt accept the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other occult knowledge. will be hapy to know your views. best regards Utpal vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: Dear Sourav The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d- 20, 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is the basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa 9th represents undergraduate 2nd house-post graduation 7th house-doctoral 12th house -post doctoral. Now this is for mundane level studies. In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th house schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning 12th house for Spiritual learning. The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of 9th and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but also for gurupadesa. The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think as to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house. Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. 8th house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows learning of the same. Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity is seen from 5th house. AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. best wishes partha vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Partha-ji, Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However there are two issues: 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka of this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th house in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents samsara (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para- vidya. 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) and its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to be associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge of the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or two generations ahead of the native. More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11, Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H (occult) from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to be the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from which 11H is the 4th. 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I intend to learn this carefully. Regards, Sourav =================================================================== vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: Dear Sourav 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of Mantra and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. It is not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house (8th from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house (mantra). Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the Jeevatman but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No planet can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the rupa/guna. When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets of the world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not be the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in 11th house, the Block of fifth house is removed. Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give interest in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. Best wishes partha vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Pathak-bhai, Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time but let me share my thoughts. 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and hence are mutually supportive. Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the kaamatrikona. It has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of - worshipping the deities and the good - extreme cunningness - wishfulfillment - wisdom AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement in any of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the 11H in the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct opportunity to aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha drishti of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. This is only to my understanding and interpretation. Regards, Sourav ===================================================================== vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: Sourav Bhai, Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in 11th house. I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge for hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not asking this because i have that perticular combination but I need some more technical clarifications. utpal vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Pathak-bhai, Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a fresh view to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the fifth is the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have special aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. They are followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- vidya (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows occult knowledge. Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H quality. Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars can give 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you rightly pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead knowledge to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to having a 5th aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and sashtras traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance over Rahu. There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' hence Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to understand jyotisha. However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha talent by seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or their lords. All planets have different qualities and can influence jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa signifies discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component for a good jyotishi. Again, thanks for your good posting. Regards, Sourav ===================================================================== vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, [ Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a planet right? ] Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as very important by ancient writers. Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about Rahu's 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on to you for your intrest.. Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only inimical to Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our dear demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish so Rahu also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and for opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a person to follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th house, Rahu wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house aspect and wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' just occured to write few lines to a already better learned person. utpal Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Kramer, Namaskar. 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become as astrologer. 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is definite. Regards, Sourav ============================================================= vedic- astrology, "giddyupguys" <giddyupguys> wrote: Sourav, Three questions: I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's blessings How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your rising sign? Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I thought. Can somebody explain? Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a planet right? Kramer Archives: vedic- astrology Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to: vedic astrology Terms of Service. Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- vedic astrology/ vedic astrology Terms of Service. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM --~-> <*> vedic astrology/ <*> vedic astrology <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Sourav Can you post your data for my study and possibly others? Is am still not clear why Node Rahu should have an aspect on any house. Can you point me to a text that explains it well? Or perhaps an article on the internet. vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Kramer, > Namaskar. > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become as > astrologer. > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is > definite. > > Regards, > > Sourav > ============================================================= > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > Sourav, > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's > blessings > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your > rising > > sign? > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I > thought. > > Can somebody explain? > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > > planet right? > > > > Kramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Kramer, Namaskar. Ask first why grapahs have drishtis. Then ask why Ju, Ma and Sa have special drishtis. Then ask your question why Ra can have a drishti at all. Graha drishti symbolises desire. Rahu is a mathematical point no doubt but is given the status of a full fledged planet. Being a planet of course Ra has desires and hence aspects. In fact Ra represents all our negative desires and results/effects therefrom that we bring from our lives. Here is a nice summary: http://www..org/learn/drishti_review.htm My data is 3 January, 1978, 17:34, Calcutta, India. Regards, Sourav vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" <giddyupguys> wrote: > > Dear Sourav > > Can you post your data for my study and possibly others? > Is am still not clear why Node Rahu should have an aspect on any > house. Can you point me to a text that explains it well? Or perhaps > an article on the internet. > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Kramer, > > Namaskar. > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that connection. > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not necessarily become > as > > astrologer. > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's involvement is > > definite. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > ============================================================= > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some reasonably good > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without Guru's > > blessings > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets according your > > rising > > > sign? > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be a good > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is what I > > thought. > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It is not a > > > planet right? > > > > > > Kramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Pathak-bhai, Namaskar. Your 5-points on 11H and AK are fine and we already discussed them extensively. Remember that 11 is only one of the houses in the 2,5,8,11 houses that we have to see for a successful jyotishi. See the keyword here is to have *successful*. A very strong combination of 5th and 8th without 11th can give a native with strong interest in jyotisha/occult but not necessarily make him a successful one. It has also to involve 2H (vak siddhi) and 11 h (success and wisdom). So please dont focus strongly on 11H alone. This that I am telling is what I learnt from Guru Narasimha- ji's classes. Regards, Sourav ==================================================================== vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > Dear Souravji & Parthaji, > > I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of Atmakarak > & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. > as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not > understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the subject > of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a 4th > house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. > > but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically accept > the rule which is described as under > > as we know that > 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & 11th. > as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate > interest in astrology and allied studies. > > 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > Direction/desire of one's atma > > 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th > > 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such as > astrology. > > 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, also > the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) > > Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product > comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all the > above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is > that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th > house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to 8th > and 5th even causes virodh argala. > > With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt accept > the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other > occult knowledge. > > will be hapy to know your views. > > best regards > > Utpal > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d- > 20, > > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is > the > > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > > 9th represents undergraduate > > 2nd house-post graduation > > 7th house-doctoral > > 12th house -post doctoral. > > > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th > house > > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of 9th > > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but also > > for gurupadesa. > > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think > as > > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house. > > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. > 8th > > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > > learning of the same. > > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity is > > seen from 5th house. > > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > > there are two issues: > > > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka > of > > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th > house > > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents > samsara > > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of > > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated > > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para- vidya. > > > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) > and > > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is > > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to > be > > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge > of > > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or > two > > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11, > > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H > (occult) > > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to > be > > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The > > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered > > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I > intend > > > to learn this carefully. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > > Mantra > > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? > > > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. > It > > > is > > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house > > > (8th > > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house > (mantra). > > > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > > Jeevatman > > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No > > > planet > > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the > rupa/guna. > > > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets > of > > > the > > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not > > be > > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in > 11th > > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > > interest > > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > partha > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time > but > > > let > > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and > > > hence > > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > kaamatrikona. > > > It > > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement > > in > > > > any > > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the > 11H > > > in > > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > opportunity > > > to > > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha > > > drishti > > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement > in > > > 11th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & > knowledge > > > for > > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance > of > > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am > not > > > > > asking > > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need > > > some > > > > > more > > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a > > > fresh > > > > > view > > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, > the > > > > > fifth > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu > have > > > > > special > > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. > > > They > > > > > are > > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- > > vidya > > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > > occult > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > > > > quality. > > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give > jyotisha > > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars > > > can > > > > > give > > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you > > > rightly > > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > > having a > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > > sashtras > > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance > > > over > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of > a 'researcher' > > > > > hence > > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > > understand > > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of > jyotisha > > > > > talent > > > > > > by > > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or > > > their > > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > > influence > > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > > signifies > > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component > > > for a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: > It > > > is > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as > > > very > > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what > about > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it > on > > > to > > > > > you > > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > > inimical > > > > to > > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, > our > > > > dear > > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish > > so > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and > > for > > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants > a > > > > > person > > > > > > to > > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th > > > house, > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house > > > > aspect > > > > > > and > > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > > learned > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > necessarily > > > > > become > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > > involvement > > > > > is > > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > > reasonably > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > > according > > > > > your > > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to > be > > > a > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is > > > what I > > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: > It > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Namaste, 2,5,8,11 these are bhavas looked for dhana yogas. Are you using the word "successful" in terms of money ? .... On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12 wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > Namaskar. Your 5-points on 11H and AK are fine and > we already discussed them extensively. Remember that 11 is only one > of the houses in the 2,5,8,11 houses that we have to see for a > successful jyotishi. See the keyword here is to have *successful*. A > very strong combination of 5th and 8th without 11th can give a > native with strong interest in jyotisha/occult but not necessarily > make him a successful one. It has also to involve 2H (vak siddhi) > and 11 h (success and wisdom). So please dont focus strongly on 11H > alone. This that I am telling is what I learnt from Guru Narasimha- > ji's classes. > > Regards, > > Sourav > ==================================================================== > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > Dear Souravji & Parthaji, > > > > I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of > Atmakarak > > & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. > > as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not > > understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the > subject > > of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a > 4th > > house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. > > > > but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically > accept > > the rule which is described as under > > > > as we know that > > 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & > 11th. > > as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate > > interest in astrology and allied studies. > > > > 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > > Direction/desire of one's atma > > > > 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th > > > > 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such > as > > astrology. > > > > 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, > also > > the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) > > > > Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product > > comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all > the > > above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is > > that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th > > house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to > 8th > > and 5th even causes virodh argala. > > > > With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt > accept > > the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other > > occult knowledge. > > > > will be hapy to know your views. > > > > best regards > > > > Utpal > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example > d- > > 20, > > > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > > > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is > > the > > > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > > > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > > > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > > > > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > > > 9th represents undergraduate > > > 2nd house-post graduation > > > 7th house-doctoral > > > 12th house -post doctoral. > > > > > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > > > > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th > > house > > > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > > > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > > > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > > > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of > 9th > > > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but > also > > > for gurupadesa. > > > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to > think > > as > > > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th > house. > > > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > > > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th > house. > > 8th > > > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > > > learning of the same. > > > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity > is > > > seen from 5th house. > > > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > > > > > best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > > > there are two issues: > > > > > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > > > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the > karaka > > of > > > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th > > house > > > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents > > samsara > > > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the > light of > > > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge > associated > > > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para- > vidya. > > > > > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual > knowledge) > > and > > > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he > is > > > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has > to > > be > > > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows > knowledge > > of > > > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one > or > > two > > > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. > 11, > > > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H > > (occult) > > > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this > to > > be > > > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. > The > > > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being > considered > > > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > > > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I > > intend > > > > to learn this carefully. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > > > Mantra > > > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology > then? > > > > > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also > mantra. > > It > > > > is > > > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th > house > > > > (8th > > > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house > > (mantra). > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > > > Jeevatman > > > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. > No > > > > planet > > > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the > > rupa/guna. > > > > > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the > secrets > > of > > > > the > > > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need > not > > > be > > > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in > > 11th > > > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > > > interest > > > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to > exactly > > > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of > time > > but > > > > let > > > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) > 8H (occult > > > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart > and > > > > hence > > > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > > kaamatrikona. > > > > It > > > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. > It > > > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) > of > > > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its > involvement > > > in > > > > > any > > > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes > very > > > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the > > 11H > > > > in > > > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > > opportunity > > > > to > > > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! > Graha > > > > drishti > > > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's > placement > > in > > > > 11th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & > > knowledge > > > > for > > > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much > importance > > of > > > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am > > not > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I > need > > > > some > > > > > > more > > > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add > a > > > > fresh > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of > these, > > the > > > > > > fifth > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu > > have > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best > astrologers. > > > > They > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- > > > vidya > > > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > > > occult > > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and > 8H > > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give > > jyotisha > > > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and > Mars > > > > can > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As > you > > > > rightly > > > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can > lead > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > > > having a > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > > > sashtras > > > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added > significance > > > > over > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of > > a 'researcher' > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of > > jyotisha > > > > > > talent > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H > or > > > > their > > > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > > > influence > > > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > > > signifies > > > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary > component > > > > for a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > house: > > It > > > > is > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted > as > > > > very > > > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what > > about > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass > it > > on > > > > to > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > > > inimical > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign > aspect, > > our > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach > Jyotish > > > so > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way > and > > > for > > > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities > wants > > a > > > > > > person > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting > 9th > > > > house, > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th > house > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > > > learned > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > > necessarily > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > > > involvement > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > > > reasonably > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that > without > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Partha-ji, Namaskar. Am I missing something ? Earlier you said 4H is paravidya (spiritual knowledge) and 5H is aparavidya (mundane or material knowledge) and now you are saying 5th is higher learning. I am giving you references where it is clearly stated that 4H is associated with formal learning and 5H is for higher knowledge (knowledge of discrimination and of the Spirit). 1. In Phaladeepika Adhyaya 1, Sloka 12. "5th house is for royal emblem, minister, tax or toll, Atma (self culture) wisdom, knowledge of the future (foresight), Prana, belly, Sruti (vedic learning), Smriti (customary traditional knowledge depending on memory and transferred by word of mouth)." "Thus 5H has to represent paravidya. If you see 4th house significances, intelligence, dhi-sakti, mantras are not associated with it and mostly mundane matters like vehicles, houses etc are associated with it." 2. In Prasna Marga Chapter 14, Stanza 7. "5H is stands for ones intelligence, prudence, memory, power of discrimination, merit earned in previous births, capacity to advise, ministers, children and condition of the mind." 3. Crux of Vedic Astrology Chapter 7 first page "(Fourth house) vital matters like .... education, especially formal education." Chapter 8 first page "The Fifth house .... controls middle age and matters pertaining to knowledge, learning, ... bhakt(prayer or mantra) are divined from it. .... There are various paths for deva upasana of which the bhakti/gyana yoga is seen from the fifth house and Vimshamsa chart." 4. Varga Chakras, Sagar publication Chapter 11 (already referred in my earlier post) Thus there are many other reference which directly or indirectly refer 5H as the house of discrimination and higher knowledge and light. 4H cannot be house of para-vidya house, but it goes to 5H. You said the karaka theory doesnt hold as Ju is karaka for 9H and 12H. Why is Ju Karaka for 9H and 12H ?? Is it because it is the ruler over these houses in the natural zodiac ?? I think yes. But then see Sun becomes the karaka for 5H and Moon the karaka for the 4H. Moon cannot represent para-vidya. Sun has to represent paravidya. Ju is also the karaka of dhi-shakti and that quality goes to the 5H (this is what I meant by Ju being one of the karakas of the 5H significances). My main idea matches with your understanding through and through. I have also read the Varga chakra articles and understood the Harmonic principles. I am sure there are plenty of arguments for and against this concept. But I do not agree that 5H stands for material knowledge, as you said in your earlier e-mail. Partha-ji, this is all with due respect and no bad intentions. Regards, Sourav ==================================================================== vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example d- 20, > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is the > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > 9th represents undergraduate > 2nd house-post graduation > 7th house-doctoral > 12th house -post doctoral. > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th house > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of 9th > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but also > for gurupadesa. > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to think as > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th house. > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th house. 8th > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > learning of the same. > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity is > seen from 5th house. > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > best wishes > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > there are two issues: > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the karaka of > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th house > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents samsara > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the light of > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge associated > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-vidya. > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual knowledge) and > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he is > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has to be > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows knowledge of > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one or two > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. 11, > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H (occult) > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this to be > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. The > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being considered > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I intend > > to learn this carefully. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > =================================================================== > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > Mantra > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology then? > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also mantra. It > > is > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th house > > (8th > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house (mantra). > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > Jeevatman > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. No > > planet > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the rupa/guna. > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the secrets of > > the > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need not > be > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in 11th > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > interest > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to exactly > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of time but > > let > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H (occult > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart and > > hence > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the kaamatrikona. > > It > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. It > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) of > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its involvement > in > > > any > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes very > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the 11H > > in > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct opportunity > > to > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! Graha > > drishti > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's placement in > > 11th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & knowledge > > for > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much importance of > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am not > > > > asking > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I need > > some > > > > more > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add a > > fresh > > > > view > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of these, the > > > > fifth > > > > > is > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu have > > > > special > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best astrologers. > > They > > > > are > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- > vidya > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > occult > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and 8H > > > quality. > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give jyotisha > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and Mars > > can > > > > give > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As you > > rightly > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can lead > > > > knowledge > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > having a > > > > 5th > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > sashtras > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added significance > > over > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of a 'researcher' > > > > hence > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > understand > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of jyotisha > > > > talent > > > > > by > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H or > > their > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > influence > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > signifies > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary component > > for a > > > > > good > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It > > is > > > > not a > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted as > > very > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what about > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass it on > > to > > > > you > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > inimical > > > to > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign aspect, our > > > dear > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach Jyotish > so > > > > Rahu > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way and > for > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities wants a > > > > person > > > > > to > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting 9th > > house, > > > > Rahu > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th house > > > aspect > > > > > and > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > learned > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > necessarily > > > > become > > > > > > as > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > involvement > > > > is > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > reasonably > > > > good > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that without > > Guru's > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > according > > > > your > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one to be > > a > > > > good > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord is > > what I > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th house: It > > is > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Pandit-ji, Namaste. No we are talking specifically about what can make a native a successful astrologer (success in divination; its not material success in earning from astrology). These considerations are only for D-1 and D-24. Regards, Sourav ==================================================================== vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > Namaste, > > 2,5,8,11 these are bhavas looked for dhana yogas. Are you using the > word "successful" in terms of money ? > > ... > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > Namaskar. Your 5-points on 11H and AK are fine and > > we already discussed them extensively. Remember that 11 is only one > > of the houses in the 2,5,8,11 houses that we have to see for a > > successful jyotishi. See the keyword here is to have *successful*. A > > very strong combination of 5th and 8th without 11th can give a > > native with strong interest in jyotisha/occult but not necessarily > > make him a successful one. It has also to involve 2H (vak siddhi) > > and 11 h (success and wisdom). So please dont focus strongly on 11H > > alone. This that I am telling is what I learnt from Guru Narasimha- > > ji's classes. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > ==================================================================== > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Souravji & Parthaji, > > > > > > I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of > > Atmakarak > > > & learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. > > > as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not > > > understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the > > subject > > > of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a > > 4th > > > house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. > > > > > > but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically > > accept > > > the rule which is described as under > > > > > > as we know that > > > 1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th & > > 11th. > > > as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate > > > interest in astrology and allied studies. > > > > > > 2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > > > Direction/desire of one's atma > > > > > > 3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th > > > > > > 4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge such > > as > > > astrology. > > > > > > 5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires, > > also > > > the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) > > > > > > Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting product > > > comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all > > the > > > above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house is > > > that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th 8th > > > house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to > > 8th > > > and 5th even causes virodh argala. > > > > > > With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt > > accept > > > the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any other > > > occult knowledge. > > > > > > will be hapy to know your views. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for example > > d- > > > 20, > > > > 20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > > > > Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house is > > > the > > > > basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > > > > Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as 12 > > > > itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > > > > > > > 4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa > > > > 9th represents undergraduate > > > > 2nd house-post graduation > > > > 7th house-doctoral > > > > 12th house -post doctoral. > > > > > > > > Now this is for mundane level studies. > > > > > > > > In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house, 4th > > > house > > > > schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning > > > > 9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > > > > 12th house for Spiritual learning. > > > > The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka of > > 9th > > > > and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but > > also > > > > for gurupadesa. > > > > The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to > > think > > > as > > > > to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th > > house. > > > > Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > > > > There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th > > house. > > > 8th > > > > house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house shows > > > > learning of the same. > > > > Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual activity > > is > > > > seen from 5th house. > > > > AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of paramatma. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > > > > Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > > > > there are two issues: > > > > > > > > > > 1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge. It is > > > > > apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of the > > > > > native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the > > karaka > > > of > > > > > this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the 4th > > > house > > > > > in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents > > > samsara > > > > > (world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the > > light of > > > > > the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge > > associated > > > > > with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para- > > vidya. > > > > > > > > > > 5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual > > knowledge) > > > and > > > > > its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as he > > is > > > > > the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H has > > to > > > be > > > > > associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > > > > > > > 12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows > > knowledge > > > of > > > > > the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are one > > or > > > two > > > > > generations ahead of the native. > > > > > > > > > > More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa (Chap. > > 11, > > > > > Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > > > > > > > 2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H > > > (occult) > > > > > from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with this > > to > > > be > > > > > the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of things. > > The > > > > > reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being > > considered > > > > > twice - once by itself and another time by being the house from > > > > > which 11H is the 4th. > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this a > > > > > conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so, I > > > intend > > > > > to learn this carefully. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house of > > > > Mantra > > > > > > and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology > > then? > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house is the house of material knowledge and also > > mantra. > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the 12th > > house > > > > > (8th > > > > > > from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house > > > (mantra). > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the > > > > Jeevatman > > > > > > but the representative or rather the theme of the jivatma. > > No > > > > > planet > > > > > > can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the > > > rupa/guna. > > > > > > > > > > > > When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the > > secrets > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but need > > not > > > > be > > > > > > the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is in > > > 11th > > > > > > house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can give > > > > > interest > > > > > > in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > Namaskar. It is difficult for me to > > exactly > > > > > > > ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of > > time > > > but > > > > > let > > > > > > > me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) > > 8H (occult > > > > > > > knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses apart > > and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > > > kaamatrikona. > > > > > It > > > > > > > has the significance of gains and all kinds of receipts. > > It > > > > > > > additionally has the significances (amongst other things) > > of > > > > > > > - worshipping the deities and the good > > > > > > > - extreme cunningness > > > > > > > - wishfulfillment > > > > > > > - wisdom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its > > involvement > > > > in > > > > > > any > > > > > > > of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in 11H > > > > > > > strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes > > very > > > > > > > important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in the > > > 11H > > > > > in > > > > > > > the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable of > > > > > > > performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > > > opportunity > > > > > to > > > > > > > aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!! > > Graha > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is only to my understanding and interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's > > placement > > > in > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th & > > > knowledge > > > > > for > > > > > > > > hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much > > importance > > > of > > > > > > > > Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I am > > > not > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > this because i have that perticular combination but I > > need > > > > > some > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > technical clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav > > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Good point made. May I add > > a > > > > > fresh > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the ability > > > > > > > > > to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of > > these, > > > the > > > > > > > fifth > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and Rahu > > > have > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best > > astrologers. > > > > > They > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows aparaa- > > > > vidya > > > > > > > > > (spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H shows > > > > occult > > > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H and > > 8H > > > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > > Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give > > > jyotisha > > > > > > > > > understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, and > > Mars > > > > > can > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > 8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As > > you > > > > > rightly > > > > > > > > > pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and can > > lead > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition to > > > > > having a > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence and > > > > > sashtras > > > > > > > > > traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added > > significance > > > > > over > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > There is another significance of Ra, that of > > > a 'researcher' > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good to > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of > > > jyotisha > > > > > > > talent > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and 11H > > or > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > lords. All planets have different qualities and can > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > jyotisha learning in different ways. For example, Sa > > > > > signifies > > > > > > > > > discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary > > component > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > jyotishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > > house: > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are accepted > > as > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but what > > > about > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > 5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know a good explanation for this and pass > > it > > > on > > > > > to > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > for your intrest.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is only > > > > > inimical > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign > > aspect, > > > our > > > > > > dear > > > > > > > > > demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach > > Jyotish > > > > so > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > also wants to Teach it but in entirely different way > > and > > > > for > > > > > > > > > opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities > > wants > > > a > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting > > 9th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th > > house > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just occured to write few lines to a already better > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that > > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's > > > > > involvement > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > definite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > > > > <giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about others, but I have some > > > > reasonably > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > connections in my D-24. But I believe that > > without > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > > > > according > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > > > > sign? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for one > > to > > > be > > > > > a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. One has to have a good 9th house/lord > > is > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > > Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > > house: > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > planet right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic- > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > vedic- > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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