Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Namaste Panditji Pls address me without a ji.Thanks for your kind words.Let us hope for the better. Regds Pradeep vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > Namaste Pradeepji, > > Your urge to learn is very admirable. I think you have made many > logical and compelling arguments about this point. I have tried to > debate this issue , unfortunately I have basically been attacked by a > few on the list, some have taken it as an attack on their guru or > parampara or whatever. Many on the list beleive that this is 21st > century cutting edge technology and anyone questioning its > applicabilty is someone living in dark ages. Some have even mocked me > for putting some questions to the methodology. > > As I have said before, if one uses lagna, arudh lagna, house from > karaka ( like 9th from sun for father), and then uses the same in said > so called divisional chart one can justify any event in any chart. The > proof of any methodology is being able to predict at a high success > rate ( atleast 70-75 percent). Very few can come close to that. > > ... > > On 4/20/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha ji > > > > With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be confirmed > > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!! > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due respect > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of varga - > > which is derived from Rashi chakra. > > > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls make it > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a planet/lagna > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on saptamsha - > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting - > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you hold a > > different position. > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas cannot > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean that there > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the results? Which > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division by > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this main? If we > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is the main? > > > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defined divisions > > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a single varga which > > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis of Late > > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati yoga in > > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati yoga can be > > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or physique. > > > > Now people have started recognizing the validity of these questions > > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one can find many > > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well for me ''.Now > > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds of aspects > > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets - One can > > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy. > > > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and they are > > ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too are > > ''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 - you > > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri Nrasimhas > > example i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can be > > with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the time!!!!!!!!.With > > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope. > > > > Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is a very good > > principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in vargas.I > > hope your research in this area will prove helpful for students like > > me in the future. > > > > Expecting your clarification. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > I see no-one has commented on the appointment today of > > the new pope. > > > > > > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious occasion > > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing! > > > > > > The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is: > > > > > > 2005 April 19 > > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east) > > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2) > > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11 > > > > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for spreading > > the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage). > > > > > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara > > (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala (weekday > > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He is the > > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last long. > > > > > > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at > > 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara amatya > > karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be replaced > > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas, > > especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It shows a > > change of guard in a short time. > > > > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the Holy > > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl, > > Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan > > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the > > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the Easter > > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and feel > > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in navamsa > > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata I am > > taking is: > > > > > > 1927 April 16 > > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00) > > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15) > > > > > > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong, > > authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in Brahmalokamsa > > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10 vargas). > > Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is > > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the chart > > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a person of > > the stature of maharshis. > > > > > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul II > > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope Benedict XVI > > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his dharma > > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge (Jupiter) > > coming in a lineage (Ketu). > > > > > > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa > > ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has exalted > > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana is an > > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show religious > > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved with > > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II and > > several Shankaracharyas too! > > > > > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a > > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher (Isaana). > > Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a disciplinarian. > > Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in > > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional > > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate keeper > > of dharma. > > > > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should be > > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is empty and > > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer. > > > > > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During > > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the auxiliary > > anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession), > > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses. Especially, > > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a Mars > > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a > > military man. > > > > > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This > > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24 (chart > > of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house (6th > > from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree and > > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as masters. > > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some Aquarian > > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu dasa. > > > > > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D- 24 and > > shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies 6th. > > Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental > > theology for most of Jupiter dasa. > > > > > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various > > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and shows > > writing. > > > > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and > > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul VI. > > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika lagna) > > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the intangible > > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible expression/manifestation > > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and Venus > > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions > > during this antardasa!! > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa! > > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He became > > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the college of > > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa. > > > > > > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I > > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work > > brilliantly in this case. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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