To Pandit-ji and others >> Karma-vs-Free Will

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Pandit-ji and Friends,

Namaskar. After the raging debate over new

Pope's chart it was very soothing for me to read Guru Sanjay-ji's

article on Karma and Free Will. I hope you will find a wealth of

information and understanding. I am not merely advertising, as some

may jump to think. My views are completely in line with this article

and concerns my own question about the complete validity and

dependance on birth chart or natal astrology. Here Sanjay-ji clearly

gave a higher ground to Prasna or Horary Astrology. Hope you will

enjoy as much as I did.

 

http://www.srath.com/lectures/karma_freewill.htm

 

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

[Guest guest]

**aum namo bhagavathe vasudevaya**

 

Namste Sourav ji,

Thanks for pointing us to this very wonderful article of Natal

Chart and Prashna indicating Prarabdha and karma-till-now

respectively. I had similar concerns and was wondering how Jyotish

explained for karma of this life and its impact on the sum-total.

Sanjay ji's solution addressed that and his explanation is also very

simple and lucid.

 

My thoughts ... one thing I had noticed, from a lot of

astrologers, is their conscious or unconscious communication to the

clients/querrants about the inevitability of prarabdha karma. Quite

some of them even seem to ignore this aspect when they are reading

Natal charts and making predictions/conclusions. So long as don't

employ a means of understanding the karma of this life and discover

the formula to combine it with Prarabdha .. may be Prashna is one

such method.. the readings are bound to have aberrations introduced

due to discounting the karma of this life. At times, some of the

learned or intelligent scholars of various fields also seem to carry

that karma is nothing but prarabdha and there is no escape from its

grip. And we don't have to say anything more of the common people.

For generations this kind of 'inevitability of prarabdha'

and 'resigning to fate' had not done any good for people. May be it

is hightime astrologers and other learned scholars start emphasizing

the need for utilizing the 'free-will' -whatever be its limitations-

to its utmost intensity and positively offset some of the prarabdha.

 

regards

-Prasad

 

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

<sourav12@h...> wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Pandit-ji and Friends,

> Namaskar. After the raging debate over

new

> Pope's chart it was very soothing for me to read Guru Sanjay-ji's

> article on Karma and Free Will. I hope you will find a wealth of

> information and understanding. I am not merely advertising, as some

> may jump to think. My views are completely in line with this

article

> and concerns my own question about the complete validity and

> dependance on birth chart or natal astrology. Here Sanjay-ji

clearly

> gave a higher ground to Prasna or Horary Astrology. Hope you will

> enjoy as much as I did.

>

> http://www.srath.com/lectures/karma_freewill.htm

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Sourav

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar to All

 

The Atman is free. Brahman is free. The same freedom permeates in

every individual (jiva). In every thing that we see, Name and Shape

are the components of Nature (Prakriti) and Satyam, Gnanam and Anantam

are Brahman Rupam. (Aparokshaanubhuti by Sri Adi Sankara and Upanishad)

 

Not recognizing the Brahman by its own power of Maya, a limited "I"

thought arises. It lays claim to a set of thoughts and calls it the

mind. Each thought or a desire is not to fulfill itself but cease to

be. As thought or a desire is an interruption to the state of bliss.

 

This is evident from the three states of consciousness (Mandukya

Upanishad with Sri Gaupada's Karika):

Waking: Conscious of mind and the body and aware of the objects and

beings of the world and feeling different from them.

Dream: Conscious of the mind alongwith the dream objects and dream

beings and the dream world.

Deep Sleep: Conscious of nothingness. No mind and therefore bliss.

(Please do not think that by sleeping always one would remain blissful)

 

Now the discussion of free will: the freedom is Brahman. The will is

Brahman too and hence it is contained within the same. Mind when

clustered with thoughts do not recognize the will and therefore,

functions reactively.

 

However, when mind is clear and calm, it reflects the light of

consciousness and its power- the free will, which can be utilized

accordingly.

 

Prarabdha is something that you have to go through and cannot avoid.

Prarabdha karma vasanas are those which are born out of reactions to

our Prarabdha. Therefore, Free will can be utilized to remain non

reactive to what Prarabdha presents us and recognize it as a "prasada

from the Lord" (As Lord is Karma Phala Data - Bhagavad Gita). This

relates to the fruits of our actions

 

OR

 

Free will can be used for proactive actions irrespective of the

dwandas (the pairs of opposites). Likes-dislikes, etc. are born out of

non recognition of the Nature as Brahman (Shiva-Shakti,

Prakriti-Purusha, Yin-Yang, Ardhnareeshwara, etc.), and therefore,

have to be discarded to act purposefully and in accordance with

Universal values of Life (Dharma). This relates to our actions which

we cannot be without in any given janma (Bhagavad Gita)

 

Keeping the above view, the free will should not be seen from the

chart. The meaning of Graha is "one who seizes". It means the one who

takes control and pushes you in a particular direction. However you

have a choice to react or not to react in accordance. Or to "be seized

" or "not to be seized".

 

The measure of reactiveness is the mind and by studying the

afflictions and benefic aspects on Moon the measure of reactiveness

can be estimated.

 

Secondly, the effect of each of the planets on Moon should be

considered carefully as each of them have a "seizing" effect.

Sometimes and exalted planet may bind us more to the dwandas than the

debilitated planet.

 

By considering the sixth house as a measure of free will, we will

making a mistake as it is the house furthering the ego self.

 

The 8th house should be considered too as it is the destruction of ego

self and it is a powerful house for understanding the freedom from

self. (A wrong notion by many people, with this idea drives them to

commit suicide).

 

Suggestion on Bindings of planets:

Sun: binding through power and authority

Moon: through emotions and attachments

Mars: through competitiveness, passsion and aggression

Mercury: through over intellectualization

Jupiter: through over attachment to external Guru and non recognition

of the Guru as the Lord and within oneself. Over attachment to

tradition by losing light to why the tradition was made in the first

place.

and so on.....

 

I invite comments, however critical, upon the above, as it would be a

great learning experience.

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "vvootla" <vvootla@g...> wrote:

>

> **aum namo bhagavathe vasudevaya**

>

> Namste Sourav ji,

> Thanks for pointing us to this very wonderful article of Natal

> Chart and Prashna indicating Prarabdha and karma-till-now

> respectively. I had similar concerns and was wondering how Jyotish

> explained for karma of this life and its impact on the sum-total.

> Sanjay ji's solution addressed that and his explanation is also very

> simple and lucid.

>

> My thoughts ... one thing I had noticed, from a lot of

> astrologers, is their conscious or unconscious communication to the

> clients/querrants about the inevitability of prarabdha karma. Quite

> some of them even seem to ignore this aspect when they are reading

> Natal charts and making predictions/conclusions. So long as don't

> employ a means of understanding the karma of this life and discover

> the formula to combine it with Prarabdha .. may be Prashna is one

> such method.. the readings are bound to have aberrations introduced

> due to discounting the karma of this life. At times, some of the

> learned or intelligent scholars of various fields also seem to carry

> that karma is nothing but prarabdha and there is no escape from its

> grip. And we don't have to say anything more of the common people.

> For generations this kind of 'inevitability of prarabdha'

> and 'resigning to fate' had not done any good for people. May be it

> is hightime astrologers and other learned scholars start emphasizing

> the need for utilizing the 'free-will' -whatever be its limitations-

> to its utmost intensity and positively offset some of the prarabdha.

>

> regards

> -Prasad

>

> vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Pandit-ji and Friends,

> > Namaskar. After the raging debate over

> new

> > Pope's chart it was very soothing for me to read Guru Sanjay-ji's

> > article on Karma and Free Will. I hope you will find a wealth of

> > information and understanding. I am not merely advertising, as some

> > may jump to think. My views are completely in line with this

> article

> > and concerns my own question about the complete validity and

> > dependance on birth chart or natal astrology. Here Sanjay-ji

> clearly

> > gave a higher ground to Prasna or Horary Astrology. Hope you will

> > enjoy as much as I did.

> >

> > http://www.srath.com/lectures/karma_freewill.htm

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav