Multiple replies / Shri Saurav-brilliant

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Partha-ji,

Namaskar. Thanks for encouragement. Below I give a

brief review of the sloka you referred.

 

BPHS Chapter 8 Sloka 15-16.

--------------------------

 

 

Madhyeanupaataat sarvatra dreshkaaneyapi vichintyate |

Grihavat turyabhagepi navamsaadaavapi swayam || (8.15)

Suryah kujafalam dhatve vaargavasya nishapati |

Trimshaasake vichintvaivamatraapi grihavat smritam || (8.16)

 

In the slokas previous to these two, Maharshi described the effect

of various planets in different horas. The word "madhyaeanupaataat"

is references to the previous slokas.

 

--- 8.15 (First line)

 

Consider (vichintyaye) Drekkana and other Vargas in a similar way

(Dreskaaneyapi sarvatra)

 

--- 8.15 (Second line)

 

And the effect of Chaturthamsa and Navamsa etc should be understood

like that in the houses (grihavat).

 

--- 8.16 (First line)

 

The Sun gives effect of Mars (Kujafalam) and Moon (nishapati) that

of Venus (vaargavasya)

 

--- 8.16 (Second line)

 

Here also i.e. in Trimshamsake (trimsamsake vichintya + evam + atra

+ api) the effects should be understood (smritam) as they are in the

signs/houses (grihavat).

 

>From the above, especially 8.15 (second line) and 8.16 (second line)

the Sage clearly instructs that divisionals should be studied like

the 12 houses in the birth chart. Note the key words "grihavat"

which means like the houses.

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

====================================================================

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

> Dear Sourav

> That was a brilliant mail.

> I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you

kindly for the

> benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a

detailed

> interpretation.

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

> On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread the

> > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my arguments

once

> > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to

> > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue against

ill

> > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> >

> > You wrote:

> >

> > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

commenting.Every

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only against

> > varga ''charts''."

> >

> > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> >

> > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space

but to

> > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and

> > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the BPHS.

> >

> > C.1 - The Creation

> > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > (etc.)

> >

> > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of

prime

> > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis

**only

> > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a sign,

the

> > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > significant.

> >

> > You again said:

> >

> > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all your

> > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

> > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> >

> > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of

details

> > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for

> > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

argument.

> > I will tell you why.

> >

> > BPHS C.7.2-3

> >

> > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> >

> > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, Trimsamsa,

> > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> >

> > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed

> > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas

and

> > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as rasi

> > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart

(called

> > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 onwards)

will

> > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> >

> > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:

> >

> > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> >

> > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> >

> > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

Navamamsa,

> > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12

houses**

> > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> >

> > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 vargas

are

> > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most popular

of

> > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> >

> > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts cannot

> > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava significances

in

> > varga charts.

> >

> > You stated:

> >

> > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and

4th

> > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls

> > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

not a

> > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to

> > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets

> > in Hora."

> >

> > BPHS C.8.37-38

> >

> > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> >

> > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra,

Dharma,

> > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12 houses.

> > Other things than these should be understood according to one's

own

> > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which I

> > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> >

> > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be

> > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different things

> > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> >

> > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # 55218

by

> > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can mean

what

> > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.

> > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you

> > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as they

dont

> > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of Hora

> > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding wealth

and

> > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in

earning

> > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning

wealth

> > of things of sustenance etc.

> >

> > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that

> > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular

aspect

> > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of

> > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and relationship

> > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career field.

> > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

significance

> > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show you

> > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> >

> > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last

argument.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

chakra

> > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have

anymore

> > doubts."

> >

> > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context of

> > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see

that he

> > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he

says

> > this statement. Your translation of the statement is misleading.

I

> > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt in

the

> > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic Sashtiamsa"

This

> > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you consider,

if

> > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read

ruled

> > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is definitely

> > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby

> > indicating any divisional chart.

> >

> > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to this

> > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You seem

to

> > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding

rather

> > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of

> > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

===================================================================

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear shri Saurav

> > >

> > > You can address me without a ji.

> > >

> > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on vargas.It

has

> > been

> > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows what

i am

> > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

analysed

> > new

> > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > >

> > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

commenting.Every

> > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

against

> > varga

> > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh

mind -

> > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

vimshopaka

> > > strength in BPHS.

> > >

> > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and

4th

> > for

> > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls

tell

> > me

> > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

chart-

> > so

> > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to see

the

> > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets in

> > Hora.

> > >

> > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic shstyamsha

will

> > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > shastyamsha?

> > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > >

> > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart.

Infact he

> > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't

allow

> > an

> > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in

the

> > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi

Parasara

> > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively

> > defining

> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. Why

so

> > much

> > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > >

> > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the same

4H

> > shows

> > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness and

so

> > on.

> > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and

then go

> > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. The

> > ideal

> > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > >

> > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born very

> > close

> > > > in time to each other and have completely different

capabilities

> > and

> > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru Narasimha-

ji

> > has

> > > > posted in his website

www.vedicastrologer.com<http://www.vedicastrologer.com>. Kindly read

it

> > > > before making further comments.

> > > >

> > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to

> > learning.

> > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the same

of

> > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > learning.

> > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and

not

> > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > >

> > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you

have

> > said

> > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have not

> > even

> > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi

chakra

> > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one hand

> > you

> > > > say

> > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other

hand -

> >

> > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main why

do

> > you

> > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so

many

> > yogas

> > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to all

> > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will we

see

> > the

> > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will we

> > see

> > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house and

10th

> > > > lord

> > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and

lord

> > in

> > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao"

> > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on

multiple

> > > > lists.

> > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more

> > detailed

> > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

replies

> > on

> > > > > this thread.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > Germany?

> > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,

> > please

> > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified

lagna

> > in

> > > > rasi

> > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus

mahadasa!

> > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software in

the

> > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing

this

> > out.

> > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa

> > after

> > > > the

> > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for other

> > dasas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

given

> > due

> > > > > respect

> > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis

of

> > > > varga -

> > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis -

Pls

> > > > make

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a

> > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis

on

> > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > correcting -

> > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to

know if

> > you

> > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be

judged

> > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the

sake

> > of

> > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer is

not

> > any

> > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose the

> > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for education

> > etc)

> > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works way

> > better

> > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better

results,

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when

> > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

divisions

> > > > (e.g.

> > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > professional

> > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-

60.

> > Also

> > > > in

> > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a

higher

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect

> > subject

> > > > and

> > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given so

> > much

> > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a

> > science

> > > > only

> > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the

> > vargas

> > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it

mean

> > > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the

> > > > results?

> > > > > Which

> > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra?

> > Division

> > > > by

> > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is

this

> > > > main?

> > > > > If we

> > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then

where

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > main?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas

> > > > according

> > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask

me to

> > > > pick

> > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and

gave

> > it

> > > > more

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining

dasa

> > varga

> > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas

> > repeating

> > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon

> > changes

> > > > its

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have

> > different

> > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

and

> > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna

does

> > not

> > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive

> > principle is

> > > > > advance

> > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

astrologers

> > of

> > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

advised

> > them,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided.

Most

> > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the

God.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a whole

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is

being

> > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully

discover

> > the

> > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

science is

> > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. Neither I

> > nor

> > > > you

> > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no need

to

> > talk

> > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well

placed

> > or

> > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied in

the

> > > > method

> > > > > of three

> > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when strong

will

> > > > cause

> > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the

planets

> > are

> > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that

this

> > > > applies

> > > > > to both

> > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and in

> > the

> > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent

health

> > is

> > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha

but

> > also

> > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a

> > muhurta

> > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it auspicious.

> > This is

> > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If you

> > have a

> > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the

> > arudha

> > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time mulling

> > over

> > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > naathaanaam

> > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

Benedict

> > XVI's

> > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I used

only

> > the

> > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand

this

> > > > clause

> > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with

all.

> > For

> > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes

chart -

> > good

> > > > > rectification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar of

> > your

> > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

rectification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > ------------------------

----

> > ---

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > ------------------------

----

> > ---

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,

> partvinu.blogspot.com <http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man

speaks or

> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never

leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of months

back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained with

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at

the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

....

 

On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

>

> I would like to add my 2 cent...

>

> following argument Appealed me and convinced me about the 'Importance' of

> Varga chart

>

> 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to

> diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

>

> 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for respect and

> work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it automatically brings

> the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see Vimshopak

> bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

>

> 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly justied only by

> Difference in Varga charts.

>

> regards,

>

> utpal pathak

>

>

>

>

>

> Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote:

> Dear Sourav

>

> That was a brilliant mail.

> I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you kindly for the

> benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a detailed

> interpretation.

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

>

> On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12 wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread the

> > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my arguments once

> > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to

> > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue against ill

> > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> >

> > You wrote:

> >

> > "You should also carefully read all my mails before commenting.Every

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only against

> > varga ''charts''."

> >

> > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> >

> > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space but to

> > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and

> > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the BPHS.

> >

> > C.1 - The Creation

> > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > (etc.)

> >

> > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of prime

> > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis **only

> > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a sign, the

> > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > significant.

> >

> > You again said:

> >

> > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all your

> > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

> > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> >

> > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of details

> > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for

> > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken argument.

> > I will tell you why.

> >

> > BPHS C.7.2-3

> >

> > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> >

> > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, Trimsamsa,

> > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> >

> > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed

> > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas and

> > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as rasi

> > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart (called

> > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 onwards) will

> > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> >

> > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:

> >

> > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> >

> > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> >

> > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, Navamamsa,

> > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12 houses**

> > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> >

> > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 vargas are

> > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most popular of

> > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> >

> > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts cannot

> > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava significances in

> > varga charts.

> >

> > You stated:

> >

> > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and 4th

> > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls

> > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

> > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to

> > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets

> > in Hora."

> >

> > BPHS C.8.37-38

> >

> > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> >

> > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, Dharma,

> > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12 houses.

> > Other things than these should be understood according to one's own

> > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which I

> > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> >

> > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be

> > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different things

> > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> >

> > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # 55218 by

> > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can mean what

> > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.

> > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you

> > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as they dont

> > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of Hora

> > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding wealth and

> > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in earning

> > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning wealth

> > of things of sustenance etc.

> >

> > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that

> > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular aspect

> > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of

> > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and relationship

> > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career field.

> > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the significance

> > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show you

> > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> >

> > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last argument.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra

> > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have anymore

> > doubts."

> >

> > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context of

> > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see that he

> > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he says

> > this statement. Your translation of the statement is misleading. I

> > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt in the

> > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic Sashtiamsa" This

> > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you consider, if

> > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read ruled

> > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is definitely

> > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby

> > indicating any divisional chart.

> >

> > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to this

> > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You seem to

> > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding rather

> > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of

> > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> ===================================================================

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear shri Saurav

> > >

> > > You can address me without a ji.

> > >

> > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on vargas.It has

> > been

> > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows what i am

> > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had analysed

> > new

> > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > >

> > > You should also carefully read all my mails before commenting.Every

> > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only against

> > varga

> > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind -

> > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read vimshopaka

> > > strength in BPHS.

> > >

> > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and 4th

> > for

> > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls tell

> > me

> > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a chart-

> > so

> > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to see the

> > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets in

> > Hora.

> > >

> > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic shstyamsha will

> > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > shastyamsha?

> > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > >

> > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. Infact he

> > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't allow

> > an

> > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in the

> > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi Parasara

> > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively

> > defining

> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. Why so

> > much

> > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > >

> > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the same 4H

> > shows

> > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness and so

> > on.

> > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and then go

> > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. The

> > ideal

> > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > >

> > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born very

> > close

> > > > in time to each other and have completely different capabilities

> > and

> > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru Narasimha-ji

> > has

> > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly read it

> > > > before making further comments.

> > > >

> > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to

> > learning.

> > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the same of

> > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > learning.

> > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and not

> > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> >

> =====================================================================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > >

> > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you have

> > said

> > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have not

> > even

> > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi chakra

> > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one hand

> > you

> > > > say

> > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other hand -

> >

> > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main why do

> > you

> > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so many

> > yogas

> > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to all

> > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will we see

> > the

> > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will we

> > see

> > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house and 10th

> > > > lord

> > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and lord

> > in

> > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on multiple

> > > > lists.

> > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more

> > detailed

> > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further replies

> > on

> > > > > this thread.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > Germany?

> > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,

> > please

> > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified lagna

> > in

> > > > rasi

> > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

> > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software in the

> > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing this

> > out.

> > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa

> > after

> > > > the

> > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for other

> > dasas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given

> > due

> > > > > respect

> > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of

> > > > varga -

> > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls

> > > > make

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a

> > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on

> > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > correcting -

> > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if

> > you

> > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be judged

> > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the sake

> > of

> > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer is not

> > any

> > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose the

> > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for education

> > etc)

> > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works way

> > better

> > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better results,

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when

> > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various divisions

> > > > (e.g.

> > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > professional

> > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-60.

> > Also

> > > > in

> > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a higher

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect

> > subject

> > > > and

> > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given so

> > much

> > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a

> > science

> > > > only

> > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the

> > vargas

> > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean

> > > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the

> > > > results?

> > > > > Which

> > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra?

> > Division

> > > > by

> > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this

> > > > main?

> > > > > If we

> > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > main?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas

> > > > according

> > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask me to

> > > > pick

> > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and gave

> > it

> > > > more

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining dasa

> > varga

> > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas

> > repeating

> > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon

> > changes

> > > > its

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have

> > different

> > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa and

> > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna does

> > not

> > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive

> > principle is

> > > > > advance

> > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers

> > of

> > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised

> > them,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most

> > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the God.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a whole

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is being

> > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully discover

> > the

> > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a science is

> > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. Neither I

> > nor

> > > > you

> > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no need to

> > talk

> > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well placed

> > or

> > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied in the

> > > > method

> > > > > of three

> > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when strong will

> > > > cause

> > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the planets

> > are

> > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that this

> > > > applies

> > > > > to both

> > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and in

> > the

> > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent health

> > is

> > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha but

> > also

> > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a

> > muhurta

> > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it auspicious.

> > This is

> > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If you

> > have a

> > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the

> > arudha

> > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time mulling

> > over

> > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > naathaanaam

> > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope Benedict

> > XVI's

> > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I used only

> > the

> > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand this

> > > > clause

> > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with all.

> > For

> > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes chart -

> > good

> > > > > rectification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar of

> > your

> > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my rectification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >

> ----------------------------

> > ---

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > >

> ----------------------------

> > ---

> >

> > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~-->

> > Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease?

> > Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts!

> > http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM

> >

> --~->

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info:

> vedic astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> vedic astrology-

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,

> partvinu.blogspot.com

>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or

> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

>

>

>

> Group info:

> vedic astrology/info.html

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> vedic astrology-

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Group info:

> vedic astrology/info.html

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> vedic astrology-

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

>

> vedic astrology/

>

>

> vedic astrology

>

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

>

> vedic astrology/

>

>

> vedic astrology

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good question.

In any case you have to See shastyamsa chart for finding out what is the karma

to be experienced, and thus when will the first one get married, and when will

the second one.

Shastyamsa shows everything that has to be experienced in this particular life.

We are not talking about the shastiamsa(s) but the Shastyamsa Chart.

best wishes

partha

 

On 4/22/05, Panditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste,Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of monthsback.

Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained with

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married atthe same time

? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?...On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <

vedic_pathak > wrote:> All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha &

Philosophy,>> I would like to add my 2 cent...>> following argument Appealed me

and convinced me about the 'Importance' of

> Varga chart>> 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to>

diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)>> 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart

for dharma/spouse, d10 for respect and

> work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it automatically brings>

the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see Vimshopak> bal,

Vaiseshikamsha etc..>> 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most

fittingly justied only by

> Difference in Varga charts.>> regards,>> utpal pathak>>>>>> Partha Sarathy

<partvinu > wrote:

> Dear Sourav>> That was a brilliant mail.> I am especially interested in the

Trimsamsa sloka. Could you kindly for the> benefit of the readers, explain each

individual term and give a detailed

> interpretation.> best wishes> partha>>>> On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury

<sourav12 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> >> > Dear Pradeep-ji,> >

Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread the> > postions of the

BPHS which is relevent to your and my arguments once

> > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to> > write any

more in this subject as it is useless to argue against ill> > formed hypotheses,

some of which is in your reply.

> >> > You wrote:> >> > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

commenting.Every> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

against> > varga ''charts''."

> >> > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.> >> > 1. Maharshi

Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)> > wrote in clear,

unequivocal but also pithy form so save space but to

> > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and> >

important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the BPHS.> >> > C.1 -

The Creation> > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description> > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > C.5 -

Finding Planetary Positions> > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > C.7 - The Sixteen

Divisions of a Sign

> > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > C.10-

Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > C.11- Evils at Birth> > C.12- Antidotes

for Evil> > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > C.14- Effects of the 1st House> >

C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > (etc.)> >> > From the scheme of things, it is

very clear that Vargas are of prime

> > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis **only> >

after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a sign, the> >

formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > significant.> >> > You again said:> >> > "If you read those chapters with

caution and fresh mind all your> > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse

Vargas has been clearly

> > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> >> > Are you implying the

Parasara went into all the trouble of details> > of vargas and presiding

deities just to give us a clue for

> > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken argument.> > I

will tell you why.> >> > BPHS C.7.2-3> >> > Kshetram hora cha

dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||> > Vimsamso vedavamso

bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param

||> >> > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,> >

Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, Trimsamsa,> >

Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> >

> > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> > together

with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas and> > perform bhava

analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as rasi> > also is

?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart (called> > D-1) and the way

it is going to be analysed (from C.13 onwards) will> > show us the way other

varga charts should be analysed.> >> > I will give you one more indication of

the above conclusion:> >> > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> >> > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||> >> > Here the Sage

gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, Navamamsa,> > Trimsamsa etc. vargas

chakras will be studies **like the 12 houses**

> > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> >> > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi

indicated that all 16 vargas are> > to be analysed as individual "charts" just

like the most popular of

> > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.> >> > 2.

Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts cannot> > exist because

it becomes difficult to apply bhava significances in

> > varga charts.> >> > You stated:> >> > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises

9th house for father and 4th> > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

vargas. Can you pls

> > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a> >

chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to> > see the

planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets

> > in Hora."> >> > BPHS C.8.37-38> >> > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje

bandhuputrarayastatha |> > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||> >

Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||> >> > " Tanu, Dhana,

Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, Dharma,> > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya

are in order the names of the 12 houses.

> > Other things than these should be understood according to one's own> >

intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which I> > heard from

the speech of Lord Brahma"> >

> > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> > understood

according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each> > divisional chart each

house can potentially mean different things

> > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!> >> > This responds

to your second argument. Refer to Message # 55218 by> > Guru Narasimha-ji for

further understanding what house can mean what

> > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > Infact

this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you> > cannot really ask

for the significance for the 4H or 9H as they dont

> > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of Hora> > charts

like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding wealth and> > 9H can mean

fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in earning

> > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning wealth> > of

things of sustenance etc.> >> > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask

and assign the> > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note

that

> > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular aspect> > of

life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga> > chakra and La in

D-10 shows the native himself in the field of

> > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and relationship> > with

the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career field.> > I ask you to

exercise your intelligence and derive the significance

> > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show you> > how

deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!> >> > 3. I will end my

prolonged monologue by answering your last argument.

> >> > You said:> >> > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

benefic> > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

chakra> > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have anymore

> > doubts."> >> > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the

context of> > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see that

he> > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he says

> > this statement. Your translation of the statement is misleading. I> > will

take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt in the> > destruction

of the house whose lord is in a malefic Sashtiamsa" This

> > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you consider, if> > any

house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read ruled> > by a malefic

deity), that house in that varga chart is definitely

> > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby> > indicating

any divisional chart.> >> > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I

am new to this> > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

seem to

> > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away> > others.

It's best to challenge your own self in understanding rather> > than jump up

and challange other's understandings especially of

> > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> >> > Regards,> >> >

Sourav> >> ===================================================================

> >> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> >

<vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > >

> > > Dear shri Saurav> > >> > > You can address me without a ji.> > >> > > I

think you are new to this series of discussion on vargas.It has> > been

> > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows what i am> > >

saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had analysed> > new> > >

popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > >> > > You should also carefully read all my mails before commenting.Every>

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only against> > varga>

> > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind -

> > > all your doubts will be cleared.> > > How to analyse Vargas has been

clearly explained.Read vimshopaka> > > strength in BPHS.> > >> > > In bhava

analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and 4th

> > for> > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls tell>

> me> > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a chart-> >

so

> > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to see the> > >

planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets in> > Hora.> > >>

> > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic shstyamsha will

> > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > shastyamsha?>

> > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts.> > >> > >

Thanks

> > > Pradeep> > >> > >> > > vedic astrology, "Sourav

Chowdhury"> > > <

sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear

Pradeep-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.> > > >> > > > 1. He

never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. Infact he> > > > always say in

this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't allow

> > an> > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in the> >

> > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi Parasara> > > >

has first described 16 divisions of signs (

i.e. effectively> > defining> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into

bhava analysis. Why so> > much> > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage

himself ?!?> > > >

> > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the same 4H> > shows>

> > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness and so> > on.> > >

> If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and then go

> > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. The> > ideal> >

> > is to mix and match both of them.> > > >> > > > 3. There is the beautiful

example of twins who are born very

> > close> > > > in time to each other and have completely different

capabilities> > and> > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

Narasimha-ji> > has

> > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly read it> > > >

before making further comments.> > > >> > > > I like to see many schools of

thought. It is beneficial to

> > learning.> > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the same

of> > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of> >

learning.> > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and not

> > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.> > > >> > > > Regards,> >

> >> > > > Sourav> > > >> >>

=====================================================================

> > > >> > > >> > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y

....> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > >> > > > > You are very

right in pointing the imperfections.Now you have> > said

> > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have not> > even> >

> > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi chakra> > > > >

properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one hand> > you> > > > say>

> > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other hand -> >> > >

> > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main why do> > you> > > >

> want to use them in combination with Vargas?.> > > > > Also if Rashi chakra

is not the main why do you give so many

> > yogas> > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to all> >

> > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will we see> > the> > >

> > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will we

> > see> > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house and 10th>

> > > lord> > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and

lord

> > in> > > > > dashamsha.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> >

> > >> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> >

> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on

multiple> > > > lists.> > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot

give a more

> > detailed> > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

replies> > on> > > > > this thread.> > > > > >> > > > > > > Can you explain why

you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > Germany?> > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is

in TZ 1.> > > > > >> > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should

be 1:00,

> > please> > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > >

>> > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified lagna

> > in> > > > rasi> > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.> > > > > >>

> > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in

Venus mahadasa!

> > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > > >> >

> > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software in the

> > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing this> > out.>

> > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > >> > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can

use Shashtihayani dasa

> > after> > > > the> > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds

for other> > dasas.> > > > > >> > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi

chakra was not given

> > due> > > > > respect> > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided

on the basis of> > > > varga -> > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis

- Pls> > > > make> > > > > it> > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce

results from varga of a

> > > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

analysis on> > > > > saptamsha -> > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar

rushing in and> > correcting -> > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I

would be pleased to know if> > you> > > > > hold a> > > > > > > different

position.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.>

> > > > >> > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be

judged

> > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the sake> > of> >

> > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer is not> > any> > >

> > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > >> > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose the>

> > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for education> > etc)

> > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works way> > better>

> > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > > >> > > > > > While combining

rasi with divisions leads to better results,

> > it> > > > is> > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only

when> > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various divisions> > > >

(e.g.> > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,> >

professional

> > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-60.> > Also>

> > > in> > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a higher

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > >> > > > > > I am

fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect> > subject> > > > and

> > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given so> > much> >

> > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a> > science> > > >

only

> > > > > when we master D-60.> > > > > >> > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one

who is not considering the> > vargas> > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean> > > >

that> > > > > there> > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to

read the

> > > > results?> > > > > Which> > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not

the Rashi chakra?> > Division> > > > by> > > > > > > meaning should have a main

to get divided.So which is this> > > > main?> > > > > If we> > > > > > >

consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where> > is> > > > the

> > > > > main?> > > > > >> > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one

of the vargas> > > > according> > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > >> > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask me

to> > > > pick> > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As

I

> > > > mentioned> > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60

and gave> > it> > > > more> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined,

when defining dasa

> > varga> > > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > >

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas

> > repeating> > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the

Moon> > changes> > > > its> > > > > >> > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat.

Different divisions have

> > different> > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

and> > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna does> >

not

> > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.> > > > > >> > > > > > > position

fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive> > principle is> > > > > advance

> > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers> > of> >

> > > Jyotish> > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

advised

> > them,> > > > > but> > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being

misguided. Most> > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao

says, it is the will of the God.> > > > > >> > > > > > It is quite presumptuous

of some to believe that "a whole> > > > > generation is being misguided".

Whether a generation is being

> > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully discover> > the>

> > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a science is> > > > >

something that the coming generations will judge. Neither I

> > nor> > > > you> > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.> > > > > >> > > >

> > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no need to

> > talk> > > > > about misguided generations.> > > > > >> > > > > > > [Visti]

Parasara states that if eighth lord is well placed> > or

> > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also

applied in the> > > > method> > > > > of three> > > > > > > pairs. You may

argue that the eighth lord when strong will

> > > > cause> > > > > problems,> > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna

Marga, that when the planets> > are> > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that this> > > >

applies> > > > > to both> > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being

Vara lord and in

> > the> > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > means the digestive fire is

excellent and excellent health> > is> > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > is not the problem.> > > > > >> > > > > > Visti, I do not look at

only the placement of vaaresha but> > also> > > > > the ownership of the

vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a

> > muhurta> > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it auspicious.>

> This is> > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If you

> > have a> > > > > different view, I can respect it.> > > > > >> > > > > > >

[Visti] What is your current view on the use of the> > arudha

> > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > >> >

> > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time mulling

> > over> > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra> >

naathaanaam> > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > conclusion.> > > > > >> > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa

in Pope Benedict> > XVI's> > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat"

criterion. I used only

> > the> > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.> > > >

> >> > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand this

> > > > clause> > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with

all.> > For> > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes chart -> > good>

> > > > rectification.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am

glad a Jyotish scholar of

> > your> > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my rectification.>

> > > > >> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >> ----------------------------> >

---> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> >

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):>

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > SJC website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > >>

----------------------------> > ---> >> >

------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~-->

> > Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease?> > Network for

Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts!> >

http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM> >>

--~->> >> >

Archives:

vedic astrology> >> > Group info:>

vedic astrology/info.html

> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology->

>> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >> > > >

Groups Links> >> >> >> >> >>>>> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,> partvinu.blogspot.com>> All that we are is the result of

what we have thought. If a man speaks or> acts with an evil thought, pain

follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.>

-----Buddha>>> Plot.no.71> Road No.3> Nagarjuna Hills> Hyderabad> India-500 082

>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info:>

vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to> vedic astrology->

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat ||

Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||>>>>

>

> >

>>

>> Group info:> vedic astrology/info.html>> To

UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to>

vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on

us .......>> >>>

________________________________

> Links>> >

vedic astrology/>> To from this

group, send an email to:

> vedic astrology>> Your use of is

subject to the > ________________________________

> Links>> >

vedic astrology/>> To from this

group, send an email to:

> vedic astrology>> Your use of is

subject to the >>

------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~-->What

would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer

in the arts today at Network for Good!

http://us.click./WwRTUD/SOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM--~->Archives:

vedic astrology

Group info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us

........

Links<*>

vedic astrology/<*> To from this

group, send an email to:

vedic astrology<*> Your use of is

subject to:

-- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.blogspot.comAll that we are is the result of what

we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows

him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a

shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71Road No.3Nagarjuna

HillsHyderabadIndia-500 082