Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Parashara said shashty''amsha'' (as per you shastyamsha chart) can be used for all matters. So imagine that - a Rashi bhava(say putra) lord is placed in a kroora/malefic shashtyamsha. Now I go to shashtyamsha chart ''and count fifth bhava there and suppose this bhava lord is falling in a good shashtyamsha - what will be your conclusion. If you are going to conclude based on shastyamsha - why do I waste my time on Rashi chakra? So read your bhava from Rashi chakra and check its shashtyamsha - a)is the shastyamsha belonging to a bad bhava lord in rashi b) is it a malefic or benefic shastayamsha(komala, kulaghna etc). Now you say(or don't?) bhavas in Rashi chakra is very important - and has to be used in conjunction with other vargas. Why is this ?As per you it is just any other varga like Hora or any other - so why do you want to take a different view here?. Did parashara ask you to take bahavas in Rashi chakra always in combination with others? What is the difference between Sarsawati yoga in ''physical existence'' and spiritual existence? If we read hand written old horoscopes - You may see like this ''Mithuna lagney, Madhya drekkoney,Bhagya navamshey Punya kumara/kumaree was born'' - Bhagya navamsha means lagna's navamsha falls in the amsha of 9th lord(Rashi Bhava). Now one can use vargas in so many useful ways as sanctioned by Parshara - dieites, vaisheshikamshas, vimshopaka, seeing our 10th lord's/Karakas dashamsha,7th lords navamsha etc. Also Drekkana as representing the Mooladhara chakra and Sun being the planet of importance etc - but only if we are prepared to relearn. Thanks a lot Pradeep vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Bhavas represent all matters pertaining to the Jataka in question > like his tanu, father ,mother, wife, bhagya, putra etc .Parashara > named twelve bhavas and then asked us to use our intelligence to > understand what else can be understood from the same 12 bhavas. For > example many things- not just shareera - can be explained from > various bhavas in the rashi chakra.One has to use his intelligence - > for example 9th from 4th represents your mother's father, your luck > regarding 4th house matters > (like land ,education)apart from being Vyayabhava. This is how I > understand the usage of intelligence - not by putting bhava in every > vargamsha. > > Now Divisionals are various divisions of individual signs. (Not mine > but Parashara's view).Now for example take first varga of your Tanu > bhava- If your Tanu bhava lord falls in Kuja kshethra and mine in > Guru kshethra it will give different results. So is the > navamshas,drekkanas etc. Now all the confusion has arisen because of > a bhava having its borders similar to the first division. > > As per you, Bhava is a common term that can be used in any > divisional ''chart''. So can we find vargottama for a ''bhava'' in > navamsha? For a bhava in drekkana ? If not why is it seen only for a > Rashi Bhava lord? Do you plan to see the navamsha of a ''bhava'' in > Shastyamsha? When you can use argala, aaroodha, bhagyaaroodha, > malefic in 3rd from AL and what not!!! > , from vargas - Why not a basic shastyamsha within a shastyamsha or > navamsha within a Hora? > > continued > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread the > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my arguments > once > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue against > ill > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > You wrote: > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only against > > varga ''charts''." > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument. > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras) > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space but > to > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the BPHS. > > > > C.1 - The Creation > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions > > C.6 - Special Ascendants > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth > > C.11- Evils at Birth > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > C.13- Judgement of Houses > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House > > (etc.) > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > prime > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis **only > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a sign, > the > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is > > significant. > > > > You again said: > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all your > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS." > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of details > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken > argument. > > I will tell you why. > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3 > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka | > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka || > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah | > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param || > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana, > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, Trimsamsa, > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa." > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas and > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as rasi > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > (called > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 onwards) > will > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed. > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion: > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line) > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam || > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa, > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12 > houses** > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra). > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 vargas > are > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most popular > of > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt. > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts cannot > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava significances in > > varga charts. > > > > You stated: > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and > 4th > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not > a > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has > to > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets > > in Hora." > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38 > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha | > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat || > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah | > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma, > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12 houses. > > Other things than these should be understood according to one's > own > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which I > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma" > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different things > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !! > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # 55218 by > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can mean > what > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only. > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as they > dont > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of Hora > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding wealth > and > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth > > of things of sustenance etc. > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular > aspect > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and relationship > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career field. > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > significance > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show you > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !! > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument. > > > > You said: > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi > chakra > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have > anymore > > doubts." > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context of > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see that > he > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he says > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is misleading. I > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt in > the > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic Sashtiamsa" > This > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you consider, > if > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read > ruled > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is definitely > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > indicating any divisional chart. > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to this > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You seem to > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav > > > > > > You can address me without a ji. > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on vargas.It > has > > been > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows what i > am > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had analysed > > new > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart. > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only against > > varga > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh > mind - > > > all your doubts will be cleared. > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read vimshopaka > > > strength in BPHS. > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and > 4th > > for > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls > tell > > me > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a > chart- > > so > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to see > the > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets in > > Hora. > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic shstyamsha > will > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or > > shastyamsha? > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. Infact > he > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow > > an > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in the > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > Parasara > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively > > defining > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. Why so > > much > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!? > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the same 4H > > shows > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness and so > > on. > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and then > go > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. The > > ideal > > > > is to mix and match both of them. > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born very > > close > > > > in time to each other and have completely different > capabilities > > and > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru Narasimha- ji > > has > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly read it > > > > before making further comments. > > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > learning. > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the same of > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of > > learning. > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and not > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you > have > > said > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have not > > even > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi chakra > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one hand > > you > > > > say > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > hand - > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main why > do > > you > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?. > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so many > > yogas > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to all > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will we > see > > the > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will we > > see > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house and > 10th > > > > lord > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and > lord > > in > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. > Rao" > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple > > > > lists. > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more > > detailed > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further > replies > > on > > > > > this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl, > > > > Germany? > > > > > At 12 degrees > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00, > > please > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified lagna > > in > > > > rasi > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus > mahadasa! > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software in > the > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing this > > out. > > > > > I'll fix this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa > > after > > > > the > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for other > > dasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given > > due > > > > > respect > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis > of > > > > varga - > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - > Pls > > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a > > > > > planet/lagna > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and > > correcting - > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know > if > > you > > > > > hold a > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position. > > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be > judged > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the > sake > > of > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer is > not > > any > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose the > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for education > > etc) > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works way > > better > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better > results, > > it > > > > is > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various > divisions > > > > (e.g. > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2, > > professional > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D- 60. > > Also > > > > in > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a higher > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > subject > > > > and > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given so > > much > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a > > science > > > > only > > > > > when we master D-60. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the > > vargas > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it > mean > > > > that > > > > > there > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the > > > > results? > > > > > Which > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? > > Division > > > > by > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is > this > > > > main? > > > > > If we > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where > > is > > > > the > > > > > main? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas > > > > according > > > > > to Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask me > to > > > > pick > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I > > > > mentioned > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and gave > > it > > > > more > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining dasa > > varga > > > > > vimsopaka bala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas > > repeating > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon > > changes > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have > > different > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa and > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > does > > not > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive > > principle is > > > > > advance > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > astrologers > > of > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised > > them, > > > > > but > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most > > > > > unfortunate ! > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a whole > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover > > the > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a science > is > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. Neither I > > nor > > > > you > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no need > to > > talk > > > > > about misguided generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well > placed > > or > > > > > even exalted, > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied in > the > > > > method > > > > > of three > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when strong > will > > > > cause > > > > > problems, > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the > planets > > are > > > > > strong they > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that this > > > > applies > > > > > to both > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and in > > the > > > > > fifth house, it > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent > health > > is > > > > > promised. This > > > > > > > is not the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha but > > also > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a > > muhurta > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it auspicious. > > This is > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If you > > have a > > > > > different view, I can respect it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the > > arudha > > > > > lagna in the > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time mulling > > over > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > naathaanaam > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope Benedict > > XVI's > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I used > only > > the > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause. > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > this > > > > clause > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with > all. > > For > > > > > now, I have no view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes chart - > > good > > > > > rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar of > > your > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------------------ -- > -- > > --- > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > ------------------------ -- > -- > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Pradeep-ji, Namaskar. As I already stated in my earlier post, no more quarrelling and counter arguments. You will not understand through arguments as you seem to be hell bent only want to justify your one argument. For as person like you its best to learn through meditation and deep pondering yourself and not through interaction. Also, I suggest research on your own techniques and publish results to prove that your technique works. Regards, Sourav ===================================================================== vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Parashara said shashty''amsha'' (as per you shastyamsha chart) can > be used for all matters. So imagine that - a Rashi bhava(say putra) > lord is placed in a kroora/malefic shashtyamsha. Now I go to > shashtyamsha chart ''and count fifth bhava there and suppose this > bhava lord is falling in a good shashtyamsha - what will be your > conclusion. If you are going to > conclude based on shastyamsha - why do I waste my time on Rashi > chakra? So read your bhava from Rashi chakra and check its > shashtyamsha - a)is the shastyamsha belonging to a bad bhava lord in > rashi b) is it a malefic or benefic shastayamsha(komala, kulaghna > etc). > > Now you say(or don't?) bhavas in Rashi chakra is very important - > and has to be used in conjunction with other vargas. Why is this ? As > per you it is just any other varga like Hora or any other - so why > do you want to take a different view here?. Did parashara ask you to > take bahavas in Rashi chakra always in combination with others? > What is the difference between Sarsawati yoga in ''physical > existence'' and spiritual existence? > If we read hand written old horoscopes - You may see like > this ''Mithuna lagney, Madhya drekkoney,Bhagya navamshey Punya > kumara/kumaree was born'' - Bhagya navamsha means lagna's navamsha > falls in the amsha of 9th lord(Rashi Bhava). > > Now one can use vargas in so many useful ways as sanctioned by > Parshara - dieites, vaisheshikamshas, vimshopaka, seeing our 10th > lord's/Karakas dashamsha,7th lords navamsha etc. Also Drekkana as > representing the Mooladhara chakra and Sun being the planet of > importance etc - but only if we are prepared to relearn. > > Thanks a lot > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Bhavas represent all matters pertaining to the Jataka in question > > like his tanu, father ,mother, wife, bhagya, putra etc .Parashara > > named twelve bhavas and then asked us to use our intelligence to > > understand what else can be understood from the same 12 bhavas. > For > > example many things- not just shareera - can be explained from > > various bhavas in the rashi chakra.One has to use his > intelligence - > > for example 9th from 4th represents your mother's father, your > luck > > regarding 4th house matters > > (like land ,education)apart from being Vyayabhava. This is how I > > understand the usage of intelligence - not by putting bhava in > every > > vargamsha. > > > > Now Divisionals are various divisions of individual signs. (Not > mine > > but Parashara's view).Now for example take first varga of your > Tanu > > bhava- If your Tanu bhava lord falls in Kuja kshethra and mine in > > Guru kshethra it will give different results. So is the > > navamshas,drekkanas etc. Now all the confusion has arisen because > of > > a bhava having its borders similar to the first division. > > > > As per you, Bhava is a common term that can be used in any > > divisional ''chart''. So can we find vargottama for a ''bhava'' in > > navamsha? For a bhava in drekkana ? If not why is it seen only for > a > > Rashi Bhava lord? Do you plan to see the navamsha of a ''bhava'' > in > > Shastyamsha? When you can use argala, aaroodha, bhagyaaroodha, > > malefic in 3rd from AL and what not!!! > > , from vargas - Why not a basic shastyamsha within a shastyamsha > or > > navamsha within a Hora? > > > > continued > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread the > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my arguments > > once > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue against > > ill > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > > commenting.Every > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only against > > > varga ''charts''." > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument. > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras) > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space > but > > to > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the BPHS. > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth > > > C.11- Evils at Birth > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House > > > (etc.) > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > > prime > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a sign, > > the > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is > > > significant. > > > > > > You again said: > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all your > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS." > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > details > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken > > argument. > > > I will tell you why. > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3 > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka | > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka || > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah | > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param || > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana, > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa, > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa." > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas > and > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > > (called > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 onwards) > > will > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed. > > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion: > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line) > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam || > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, > > Navamamsa, > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12 > > houses** > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra). > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 vargas > > are > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most popular > > of > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt. > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts cannot > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava significances > in > > > varga charts. > > > > > > You stated: > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and > > 4th > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division > not > > a > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has > > to > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > > planets > > > in Hora." > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38 > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha | > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat || > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah | > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > > Dharma, > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12 houses. > > > Other things than these should be understood according to one's > > own > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which I > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma" > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different > things > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !! > > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # 55218 > by > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can mean > > what > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only. > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as they > > dont > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of Hora > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding wealth > > and > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > > earning > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > > wealth > > > of things of sustenance etc. > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular > > aspect > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and > relationship > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career field. > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > > significance > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !! > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > > argument. > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi > > chakra > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have > > anymore > > > doubts." > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context > of > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see > that > > he > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he > says > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is misleading. > I > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt in > > the > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic Sashtiamsa" > > This > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you consider, > > if > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read > > ruled > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is > definitely > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > > indicating any divisional chart. > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You seem > to > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding > > rather > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav > > > > > > > > You can address me without a ji. > > > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on vargas.It > > has > > > been > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows what > i > > am > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > analysed > > > new > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart. > > > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before > > commenting.Every > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against > > > varga > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh > > mind - > > > > all your doubts will be cleared. > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read > vimshopaka > > > > strength in BPHS. > > > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father and > > 4th > > > for > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you pls > > tell > > > me > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a > > chart- > > > so > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to see > > the > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets > in > > > Hora. > > > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic shstyamsha > > will > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or > > > shastyamsha? > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact > > he > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > > allow > > > an > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in > the > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > > Parasara > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively > > > defining > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. Why > so > > > much > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!? > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the same > 4H > > > shows > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness and > so > > > on. > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and > then > > go > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. The > > > ideal > > > > > is to mix and match both of them. > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born very > > > close > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different > > capabilities > > > and > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru Narasimha- > ji > > > has > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly read > it > > > > > before making further comments. > > > > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > > learning. > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the same > of > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of > > > learning. > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and > not > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you > > have > > > said > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not > > > even > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > chakra > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one > hand > > > you > > > > > say > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > > hand - > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main why > > do > > > you > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?. > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so > many > > > yogas > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to all > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will we > > see > > > the > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > see > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house and > > 10th > > > > > lord > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and > > lord > > > in > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. > > Rao" > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > > multiple > > > > > lists. > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more > > > detailed > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further > > replies > > > on > > > > > > this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl, > > > > > Germany? > > > > > > At 12 degrees > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00, > > > please > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified > lagna > > > in > > > > > rasi > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus > > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software in > > the > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this > > > out. > > > > > > I'll fix this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa > > > after > > > > > the > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other > > > dasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not > given > > > due > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis > > of > > > > > varga - > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - > > Pls > > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a > > > > > > planet/lagna > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis > on > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and > > > correcting - > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > know > > if > > > you > > > > > > hold a > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be > > judged > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the > > sake > > > of > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer is > > not > > > any > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose the > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for education > > > etc) > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works way > > > better > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better > > results, > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various > > divisions > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2, > > > professional > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D- > 60. > > > Also > > > > > in > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > subject > > > > > and > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given > so > > > much > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a > > > science > > > > > only > > > > > > when we master D-60. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the > > > vargas > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it > > mean > > > > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the > > > > > results? > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? > > > Division > > > > > by > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is > > this > > > > > main? > > > > > > If we > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > main? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas > > > > > according > > > > > > to Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask > me > > to > > > > > pick > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and > gave > > > it > > > > > more > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining > dasa > > > varga > > > > > > vimsopaka bala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas > > > repeating > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon > > > changes > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have > > > different > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa > and > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > > does > > > not > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive > > > principle is > > > > > > advance > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > > astrologers > > > of > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too > advised > > > them, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most > > > > > > unfortunate ! > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > > being > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > > discover > > > the > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a > science > > is > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. Neither > I > > > nor > > > > > you > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no need > > to > > > talk > > > > > > about misguided generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well > > placed > > > or > > > > > > even exalted, > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied in > > the > > > > > method > > > > > > of three > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when strong > > will > > > > > cause > > > > > > problems, > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the > > planets > > > are > > > > > > strong they > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that > this > > > > > applies > > > > > > to both > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and > in > > > the > > > > > > fifth house, it > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent > > health > > > is > > > > > > promised. This > > > > > > > > is not the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha > but > > > also > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a > > > muhurta > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it auspicious. > > > This is > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If > you > > > have a > > > > > > different view, I can respect it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the > > > arudha > > > > > > lagna in the > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time mulling > > > over > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > naathaanaam > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict > > > XVI's > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I used > > only > > > the > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > > this > > > > > clause > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with > > all. > > > For > > > > > > now, I have no view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart - > > > good > > > > > > rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of > > > your > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my > rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ---------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > --- > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > ---------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Well said. best wishes partha On 4/23/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Pradeep-ji, Namaskar. As I already stated in my earlier post, no more quarrelling and counter arguments. You will not understandthrough arguments as you seem to be hell bent only want to justifyyour one argument. For as person like you its best to learn throughmeditation and deep pondering yourself and not through interaction. Also, I suggest research on your own techniques and publish resultsto prove that your technique works.Regards,Sourav===================================================================== vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:>> Parashara said shashty''amsha'' (as per you shastyamsha chart) can > be used for all matters. So imagine that - a Rashi bhava(sayputra)> lord is placed in a kroora/malefic shashtyamsha. Now I go to> shashtyamsha chart ''and count fifth bhava there and suppose this > bhava lord is falling in a good shashtyamsha - what will be your> conclusion. If you are going to> conclude based on shastyamsha - why do I waste my time on Rashi> chakra? So read your bhava from Rashi chakra and check its > shashtyamsha - a)is the shastyamsha belonging to a bad bhava lordin> rashi b) is it a malefic or benefic shastayamsha(komala, kulaghna> etc).>> Now you say(or don't?) bhavas in Rashi chakra is very important - > and has to be used in conjunction with other vargas. Why is this ?As> per you it is just any other varga like Hora or any other - sowhy> do you want to take a different view here?. Did parashara ask you to> take bahavas in Rashi chakra always in combination with others?> What is the difference between Sarsawati yoga in ''physical> existence'' and spiritual existence?> If we read hand written old horoscopes - You may see like > this ''Mithuna lagney, Madhya drekkoney,Bhagya navamshey Punya> kumara/kumaree was born'' - Bhagya navamsha means lagna'snavamsha> falls in the amsha of 9th lord(Rashi Bhava).>> Now one can use vargas in so many useful ways as sanctioned by > Parshara - dieites, vaisheshikamshas, vimshopaka, seeing our 10th> lord's/Karakas dashamsha,7th lords navamsha etc. Also Drekkana as> representing the Mooladhara chakra and Sun being the planet of > importance etc - but only if we are prepared to relearn.>> Thanks a lot> Pradeep>>> vedic astrology , "vijayadas_pradeep"> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> >> > Bhavas represent all matters pertaining to the Jataka inquestion> > like his tanu, father ,mother, wife, bhagya, putra etc .Parashara> > named twelve bhavas and then asked us to use our intelligence to> > understand what else can be understood from the same 12 bhavas.> For> > example many things- not just shareera - can be explained from > > various bhavas in the rashi chakra.One has to use his> intelligence -> > for example 9th from 4th represents your mother's father, your> luck> > regarding 4th house matters > > (like land ,education)apart from being Vyayabhava. This is how I> > understand the usage of intelligence - not by putting bhava in> every> > vargamsha.> >> > Now Divisionals are various divisions of individual signs. (Not > mine> > but Parashara's view).Now for example take first varga of your> Tanu> > bhava- If your Tanu bhava lord falls in Kuja kshethra and minein> > Guru kshethra it will give different results. So is the > > navamshas,drekkanas etc. Now all the confusion has arisenbecause> of> > a bhava having its borders similar to the first division.> >> > As per you, Bhava is a common term that can be used in any > > divisional ''chart''. So can we find vargottama for a ''bhava''in> > navamsha? For a bhava in drekkana ? If not why is it seen onlyfor> a> > Rashi Bhava lord? Do you plan to see the navamsha of a ''bhava'' > in> > Shastyamsha? When you can use argala, aaroodha, bhagyaaroodha,> > malefic in 3rd from AL and what not!!!> > , from vargas - Why not a basic shastyamsha within a shastyamsha > or> > navamsha within a Hora?> >> > continued> >> > --- In vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > >> > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread the> > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and myarguments> > once> > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish notto> > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue against> > ill> > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.> > >> > > You wrote:> > >> > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > > commenting.Every> > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am onlyagainst> > > varga ''charts''."> > >> > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument. > > >> > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and latereras)> > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space> but> > to> > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in theBPHS.> > >> > > C.1 - The Creation> > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions> > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign> > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > C.11- Evils at Birth> > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil> > > C.13- Judgement of Houses > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > (etc.)> > >> > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > > prime> > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis> **only> > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of asign,> > the> > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is > > > significant.> > >> > > You again said:> > >> > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind allyour> > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > >> > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of> details> > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken> > argument.> > > I will tell you why.> > >> > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > >> > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka | > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||> > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||> > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,> > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,> > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> > >> > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas > and> > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same withother> > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as> rasi> > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > > (called> > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13onwards)> > will> > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> > >> > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion: > > >> > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)> > >> > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||> > >> > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, > > Navamamsa,> > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12> > houses**> > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > >> > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 vargas> > are> > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the mostpopular> > of> > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt. > > >> > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga chartscannot> > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhavasignificances> in> > > varga charts. > > >> > > You stated:> > >> > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for fatherand> > 4th> > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls> > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division> not> > a> > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one> has> > to > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of> > planets> > > in Hora."> > >> > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > >> > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha | > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||> > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||> > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra,> > Dharma,> > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12houses.> > > Other things than these should be understood according to one's> > own> > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things whichI> > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"> > >> > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each> > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different> things> > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !! > > >> > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #55218> by> > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house canmean> > what > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two housesonly.> > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you> > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as they> > dont> > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds ofHora> > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regardingwealth> > and> > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > > earning> > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning> > wealth> > > of things of sustenance etc.> > >> > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Notethat> > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular> > aspect> > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and> relationship> > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career field.> > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the> > significance> > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show> you> > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !! > > >> > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last> > argument.> > >> > > You said:> > >> > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic> > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi> > chakra> > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have> > anymore> > > doubts." > > >> > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context> of> > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see> that> > he > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he> says> > > this statement. Your translation of the statement ismisleading.> I> > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt in> > the> > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a maleficSashtiamsa"> > This> > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart youconsider, > > if> > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read> > ruled> > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is> definitely> > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > > indicating any divisional chart.> > >> > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to> this> > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You seem> to> > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away> > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding> > rather> > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of> > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> =================================================================== > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > >> > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > >> > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on vargas.It> > has> > > been> > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knowswhat> i> > am> > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > analysed> > > new> > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.> > > >> > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before> > commenting.Every> > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only> against> > > varga> > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh > > mind -> > > > all your doubts will be cleared.> > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read> vimshopaka> > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for fatherand> > 4th> > > for> > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can youpls> > tell > > > me> > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a> > chart-> > > so> > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to see> > the> > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets> in> > > Hora.> > > >> > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic shstyamsha> > will> > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > > shastyamsha?> > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > >> > > > --- In vedic astrology , "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.> > > > >> > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact> > he> > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't> > allow> > > an> > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in > the> > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi> > Parasara> > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.effectively> > > defining > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis.Why> so> > > much> > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, thesame> 4H> > > shows> > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happinessand > so> > > on.> > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and> then> > go> > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. The> > > ideal> > > > > is to mix and match both of them.> > > > >> > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are bornvery> > > close > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different> > capabilities> > > and> > > > > personalities. You can read the details that GuruNarasimha- > ji> > > has> > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindlyread> it> > > > > before making further comments. > > > > >> > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to> > > learning.> > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the same> of> > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of> > > learning.> > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and > not> > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > >> >>=====================================================================> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > vedic- astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you> > have> > > said> > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not> > > even> > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi> chakra> > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one > hand> > > you> > > > > say> > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other> > hand -> > >> > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the mainwhy> > do> > > you> > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so > many> > > yogas> > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining toall> > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will we> > see> > > the> > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will> we> > > see> > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th houseand> > 10th> > > > > lord> > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and> > lord> > > in> > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "NarasimhaP.V.R.> > Rao"> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on> > multiple> > > > > lists.> > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more > > > detailed> > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further> > replies> > > on> > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,> > > > > Germany?> > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be1:00,> > > please> > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified> lagna> > > in> > > > > rasi> > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus> > mahadasa!> > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my softwarein> > the> > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this> > > out.> > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayanidasa > > > after> > > > > the> > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for> other> > > dasas.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not > given> > > due> > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on thebasis> > of> > > > > varga - > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing thisanalysis - > > Pls> > > > > make> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga ofa> > > > > > planet/lagna > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similaranalysis> on> > > > > > saptamsha -> > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > correcting -> > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to> know> > if> > > you> > > > > > hold a > > > > > > > > different position.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be> > judged> > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the> > sake > > > of> > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answeris> > not> > > any> > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choosethe> > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for education> > > etc)> > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it worksway> > > better> > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better> > results,> > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when> > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various > > divisions> > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,> > > professional> > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D- > 60.> > > Also> > > > > in> > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a> higher> > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined! > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect> > > subject> > > > > and> > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given > so> > > much> > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a> > > science> > > > > only> > > > > > when we master D-60. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the> > > vargas> > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn'tit> > mean> > > > > that> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the> > > > > results?> > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashichakra?> > > Division> > > > > by > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So whichis> > this> > > > > main?> > > > > > If we> > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where> > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > main?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas> > > > > according> > > > > > to Parasara.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask > me> > to> > > > > pick> > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. AsI> > > > > mentioned> > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and > gave> > > it> > > > > more> > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining> dasa> > > varga> > > > > > vimsopaka bala. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can seeVargas> > > repeating > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only theMoon> > > changes> > > > > its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have > > > different> > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa> and> > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > > does> > > not> > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive > > > principle is> > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran> > astrologers> > > of> > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too> advised> > > them,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most> > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will ofthe> > God.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole> > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is> > being> > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully> > discover > > > the> > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a> science> > is> > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. Neither> I> > > nor> > > > > you> > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no need> > to> > > talk> > > > > > about misguided generations.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well > > placed> > > or> > > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also appliedin> > the> > > > > method > > > > > > of three> > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord whenstrong> > will> > > > > cause> > > > > > problems, > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the> > planets> > > are> > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that > this> > > > > applies> > > > > > to both> > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and> in> > > the > > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent> > health> > > is> > > > > > promised. This > > > > > > > > is not the problem.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha> but> > > also > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a> > > muhurta> > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider itauspicious.> > > This is > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If> you> > > have a> > > > > > different view, I can respect it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the> > > arudha> > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much timemulling> > > over> > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a> > > conclusion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > XVI's> > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. Iused> > only> > > the> > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand> > this> > > > > clause> > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with > > all.> > > For> > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart -> > > good> > > > > > rectification.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. 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Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Dear Shri Saurav As per your understanding of bhavas and vargas - i have asked simple and plain questions. There are two choices,upon no answer for valid questions. 1)reconsider our views and verify if there is substance in the other party'ts view 2)mock the other party and use rhetoric I wish you will not permenantly remain in the the second group. I am not obliged for any kind of research - But we all can work towards improving our knowledge.I had requested shri Nemani Ji to accept live dashamsha charts from me during his paper presentation. I have seen charts of with malavya yoga in dashamsha lagna and hamsa yoga in sidhamsha 10th,but with ordinary education and no profession. Obligation is on those who propose new theories.If you prefer to call the person sticking to parashara as hell bent, i am pretty happy with that honour. Thanks for your time and understanding. Pradeep vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > Namaskar. As I already stated in my earlier post, no > more quarrelling and counter arguments. You will not understand > through arguments as you seem to be hell bent only want to justify > your one argument. For as person like you its best to learn through > meditation and deep pondering yourself and not through interaction. > Also, I suggest research on your own techniques and publish results > to prove that your technique works. > > Regards, > > Sourav > ===================================================================== > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Parashara said shashty''amsha'' (as per you shastyamsha chart) can > > be used for all matters. So imagine that - a Rashi bhava(say > putra) > > lord is placed in a kroora/malefic shashtyamsha. Now I go to > > shashtyamsha chart ''and count fifth bhava there and suppose this > > bhava lord is falling in a good shashtyamsha - what will be your > > conclusion. If you are going to > > conclude based on shastyamsha - why do I waste my time on Rashi > > chakra? So read your bhava from Rashi chakra and check its > > shashtyamsha - a)is the shastyamsha belonging to a bad bhava lord > in > > rashi b) is it a malefic or benefic shastayamsha(komala, kulaghna > > etc). > > > > Now you say(or don't?) bhavas in Rashi chakra is very important - > > and has to be used in conjunction with other vargas. Why is this ? > As > > per you it is just any other varga like Hora or any other - so > why > > do you want to take a different view here?. Did parashara ask you > to > > take bahavas in Rashi chakra always in combination with others? > > What is the difference between Sarsawati yoga in ''physical > > existence'' and spiritual existence? > > If we read hand written old horoscopes - You may see like > > this ''Mithuna lagney, Madhya drekkoney,Bhagya navamshey Punya > > kumara/kumaree was born'' - Bhagya navamsha means lagna's > navamsha > > falls in the amsha of 9th lord(Rashi Bhava). > > > > Now one can use vargas in so many useful ways as sanctioned by > > Parshara - dieites, vaisheshikamshas, vimshopaka, seeing our 10th > > lord's/Karakas dashamsha,7th lords navamsha etc. Also Drekkana as > > representing the Mooladhara chakra and Sun being the planet of > > importance etc - but only if we are prepared to relearn. > > > > Thanks a lot > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > Bhavas represent all matters pertaining to the Jataka in > question > > > like his tanu, father ,mother, wife, bhagya, putra > etc .Parashara > > > named twelve bhavas and then asked us to use our intelligence to > > > understand what else can be understood from the same 12 bhavas. > > For > > > example many things- not just shareera - can be explained from > > > various bhavas in the rashi chakra.One has to use his > > intelligence - > > > for example 9th from 4th represents your mother's father, your > > luck > > > regarding 4th house matters > > > (like land ,education)apart from being Vyayabhava. This is how I > > > understand the usage of intelligence - not by putting bhava in > > every > > > vargamsha. > > > > > > Now Divisionals are various divisions of individual signs. (Not > > mine > > > but Parashara's view).Now for example take first varga of your > > Tanu > > > bhava- If your Tanu bhava lord falls in Kuja kshethra and mine > in > > > Guru kshethra it will give different results. So is the > > > navamshas,drekkanas etc. Now all the confusion has arisen > because > > of > > > a bhava having its borders similar to the first division. > > > > > > As per you, Bhava is a common term that can be used in any > > > divisional ''chart''. So can we find vargottama for a ''bhava'' > in > > > navamsha? For a bhava in drekkana ? If not why is it seen only > for > > a > > > Rashi Bhava lord? Do you plan to see the navamsha of a ''bhava'' > > in > > > Shastyamsha? When you can use argala, aaroodha, bhagyaaroodha, > > > malefic in 3rd from AL and what not!!! > > > , from vargas - Why not a basic shastyamsha within a shastyamsha > > or > > > navamsha within a Hora? > > > > > > continued > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my > arguments > > > once > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not > to > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue > against > > > ill > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > > > commenting.Every > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against > > > > varga ''charts''." > > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later > eras) > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space > > but > > > to > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS. > > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House > > > > (etc.) > > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > > > prime > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis > > **only > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a > sign, > > > the > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is > > > > significant. > > > > > > > > You again said: > > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all > your > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS." > > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > > details > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken > > > argument. > > > > I will tell you why. > > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3 > > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka | > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah | > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param || > > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana, > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > > Trimsamsa, > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa." > > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas > > and > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with > other > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > > rasi > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > > > (called > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) > > > will > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed. > > > > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion: > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line) > > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, > > > Navamamsa, > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12 > > > houses** > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra). > > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas > > > are > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most > popular > > > of > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt. > > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts > cannot > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances > > in > > > > varga charts. > > > > > > > > You stated: > > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and > > > 4th > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division > > not > > > a > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > > has > > > to > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > > > planets > > > > in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38 > > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha | > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat || > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah | > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > > > Dharma, > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12 > houses. > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to > one's > > > own > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which > I > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma" > > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different > > things > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !! > > > > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 > > by > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can > mean > > > what > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses > only. > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as > they > > > dont > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > wealth > > > and > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > > > earning > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > > > wealth > > > > of things of sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note > that > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular > > > aspect > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and > > relationship > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field. > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > > > significance > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > > you > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !! > > > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > > > argument. > > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in > benefic > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi > > > chakra > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have > > > anymore > > > > doubts." > > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context > > of > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see > > that > > > he > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he > > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is > misleading. > > I > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt > in > > > the > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic > Sashtiamsa" > > > This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you > consider, > > > if > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read > > > ruled > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is > > definitely > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > > > indicating any divisional chart. > > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > > this > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You > seem > > to > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding > > > rather > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially > of > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav > > > > > > > > > > You can address me without a ji. > > > > > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on > vargas.It > > > has > > > > been > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows > what > > i > > > am > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > > analysed > > > > new > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart. > > > > > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before > > > commenting.Every > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > > against > > > > varga > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh > > > mind - > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared. > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read > > vimshopaka > > > > > strength in BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and > > > 4th > > > > for > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls > > > tell > > > > me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a > > > chart- > > > > so > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to > see > > > the > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets > > in > > > > Hora. > > > > > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha > > > will > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or > > > > shastyamsha? > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > > Infact > > > he > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > > > allow > > > > an > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in > > the > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > > > Parasara > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. > effectively > > > > defining > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why > > so > > > > much > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the > same > > 4H > > > > shows > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness > and > > so > > > > on. > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and > > then > > > go > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead. > The > > > > ideal > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born > very > > > > close > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different > > > capabilities > > > > and > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha- > > ji > > > > has > > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly > read > > it > > > > > > before making further comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > > > learning. > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the > same > > of > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of > > > > learning. > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and > > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you > > > have > > > > said > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have > > not > > > > even > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > > chakra > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one > > hand > > > > you > > > > > > say > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > > > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main > why > > > do > > > > you > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?. > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so > > many > > > > yogas > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will > we > > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > > we > > > > see > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and > > > 10th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and > > > lord > > > > in > > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R. > > > Rao" > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > > > multiple > > > > > > lists. > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more > > > > detailed > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further > > > replies > > > > on > > > > > > > this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl, > > > > > > Germany? > > > > > > > At 12 degrees > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be > 1:00, > > > > please > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified > > lagna > > > > in > > > > > > rasi > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus > > > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in > > > the > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > > this > > > > out. > > > > > > > I'll fix this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani > dasa > > > > after > > > > > > the > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > > other > > > > dasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not > > given > > > > due > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > basis > > > of > > > > > > varga - > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > analysis - > > > Pls > > > > > > make > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of > a > > > > > > > planet/lagna > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar > analysis > > on > > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and > > > > correcting - > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > > know > > > if > > > > you > > > > > > > hold a > > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be > > > judged > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the > > > sake > > > > of > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer > is > > > not > > > > any > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose > the > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for > education > > > > etc) > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works > way > > > > better > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better > > > results, > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only > when > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various > > > divisions > > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2, > > > > professional > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D- > > 60. > > > > Also > > > > > > in > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > > higher > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > > subject > > > > > > and > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given > > so > > > > much > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a > > > > science > > > > > > only > > > > > > > when we master D-60. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the > > > > vargas > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it > > > mean > > > > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read > the > > > > > > results? > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > > Division > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which > is > > > this > > > > > > main? > > > > > > > If we > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > > where > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > main? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the > vargas > > > > > > according > > > > > > > to Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask > > me > > > to > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As > I > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and > > gave > > > > it > > > > > > more > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining > > dasa > > > > varga > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the > Moon > > > > changes > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have > > > > different > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa > > and > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive > > > > principle is > > > > > > > advance > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > > > astrologers > > > > of > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too > > advised > > > > them, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > > Most > > > > > > > unfortunate ! > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of > the > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > > whole > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > > > being > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > > > discover > > > > the > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a > > science > > > is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. > Neither > > I > > > > nor > > > > > > you > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no > need > > > to > > > > talk > > > > > > > about misguided generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well > > > placed > > > > or > > > > > > > even exalted, > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied > in > > > the > > > > > > method > > > > > > > of three > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when > strong > > > will > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > problems, > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the > > > planets > > > > are > > > > > > > strong they > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that > > this > > > > > > applies > > > > > > > to both > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > fifth house, it > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent > > > health > > > > is > > > > > > > promised. This > > > > > > > > > is not the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha > > but > > > > also > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a > > > > muhurta > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it > auspicious. > > > > This is > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If > > you > > > > have a > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the > > > > arudha > > > > > > > lagna in the > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time > mulling > > > > over > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope > > Benedict > > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used > > > only > > > > the > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > > > this > > > > > > clause > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with > > > all. > > > > For > > > > > > > now, I have no view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > > chart - > > > > good > > > > > > > rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > > of > > > > your > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my > > rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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