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Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

 

What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

 

Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does not

fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there are

a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

 

....

 

On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Panditji

>

> Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

> minutes.

>

> Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can have

> same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

>

> Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> bhavas here.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of months

> > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

> with

> > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at

> > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > >

> > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > >

> > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> the 'Importance' of

> > > Varga chart

> > >

> > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to

> > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > >

> > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for

> respect and

> > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> automatically brings

> > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see

> Vimshopak

> > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > >

> > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> justied only by

> > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > utpal pathak

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > Dear Sourav

> > >

> > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you

> kindly for the

> > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a

> detailed

> > > interpretation.

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> the

> > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> arguments once

> > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to

> > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

> against ill

> > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > >

> > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> commenting.Every

> > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> against

> > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > >

> > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space

> but to

> > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and

> > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the

> BPHS.

> > > >

> > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > (etc.)

> > > >

> > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of

> prime

> > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis

> **only

> > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a

> sign, the

> > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > > > significant.

> > > >

> > > > You again said:

> > > >

> > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all

> your

> > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

> > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > >

> > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of

> details

> > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for

> > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> argument.

> > > > I will tell you why.

> > > >

> > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > >

> > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > >

> > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> Trimsamsa,

> > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > >

> > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed

> > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas

> and

> > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as

> rasi

> > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart

> (called

> > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> onwards) will

> > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > >

> > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:

> > > >

> > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > >

> > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > >

> > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> Navamamsa,

> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12

> houses**

> > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > >

> > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> vargas are

> > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

> popular of

> > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

> cannot

> > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> significances in

> > > > varga charts.

> > > >

> > > > You stated:

> > > >

> > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

> and 4th

> > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

> pls

> > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

> not a

> > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

> has to

> > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

> planets

> > > > in Hora."

> > > >

> > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > >

> > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > >

> > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra,

> Dharma,

> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> houses.

> > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> one's own

> > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which

> I

> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > >

> > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be

> > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different

> things

> > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > >

> > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

> 55218 by

> > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can

> mean what

> > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.

> > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you

> > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as

> they dont

> > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of

> Hora

> > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

> wealth and

> > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in

> earning

> > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning

> wealth

> > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > >

> > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that

> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular

> aspect

> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga

> > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of

> > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> relationship

> > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

> field.

> > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> significance

> > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show

> you

> > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> > > >

> > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last

> argument.

> > > >

> > > > You said:

> > > >

> > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> benefic

> > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

> chakra

> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have

> anymore

> > > > doubts."

> > > >

> > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context

> of

> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see

> that he

> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he

> says

> > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> misleading. I

> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt

> in the

> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if

> > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read

> ruled

> > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> definitely

> > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby

> > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to

> this

> > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

> seem to

> > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding

> rather

> > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of

> > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > >

> ===================================================================

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > >

> > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> vargas.It has

> > > > been

> > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows

> what i am

> > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

> analysed

> > > > new

> > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> commenting.Every

> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> against

> > > > varga

> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh

> mind -

> > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> vimshopaka

> > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > >

> > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

> and 4th

> > > > for

> > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

> pls tell

> > > > me

> > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

> chart-

> > > > so

> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to

> see the

> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets

> in

> > > > Hora.

> > > > >

> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> shstyamsha will

> > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart.

> Infact he

> > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't

> allow

> > > > an

> > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in

> the

> > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi

> Parasara

> > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively

> > > > defining

> > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis.

> Why so

> > > > much

> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the

> same 4H

> > > > shows

> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> and so

> > > > on.

> > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and

> then go

> > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead.

> The

> > > > ideal

> > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born

> very

> > > > close

> > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> capabilities

> > > > and

> > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> Narasimha-ji

> > > > has

> > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly

> read it

> > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to

> > > > learning.

> > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the

> same of

> > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > > > learning.

> > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and

> not

> > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you

> have

> > > > said

> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have

> not

> > > > even

> > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi

> chakra

> > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one

> hand

> > > > you

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other

> hand -

> > > >

> > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main

> why do

> > > > you

> > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so

> many

> > > > yogas

> > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to

> all

> > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will

> we see

> > > > the

> > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will

> we

> > > > see

> > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house

> and 10th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and

> lord

> > > > in

> > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on

> multiple

> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more

> > > > detailed

> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

> replies

> > > > on

> > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,

> > > > please

> > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified

> lagna

> > > > in

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus

> mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software

> in the

> > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing

> this

> > > > out.

> > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > after

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for

> other

> > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

> given

> > > > due

> > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the

> basis of

> > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> analysis - Pls

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of

> a

> > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> analysis on

> > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to

> know if

> > > > you

> > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be

> judged

> > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the

> sake

> > > > of

> > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer

> is not

> > > > any

> > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose

> the

> > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> education

> > > > etc)

> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works

> way

> > > > better

> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better

> results,

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when

> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> divisions

> > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > professional

> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-

> 60.

> > > > Also

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a

> higher

> > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect

> > > > subject

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given

> so

> > > > much

> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a

> > > > science

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the

> > > > vargas

> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't

> it mean

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read

> the

> > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> chakra?

> > > > Division

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which

> is this

> > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then

> where

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask

> me to

> > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and

> gave

> > > > it

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining

> dasa

> > > > varga

> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> Vargas

> > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon

> > > > changes

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have

> > > > different

> > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

> and

> > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna

> does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive

> > > > principle is

> > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> astrologers

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

> advised

> > > > them,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided.

> Most

> > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of

> the God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a

> whole

> > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is

> being

> > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully

> discover

> > > > the

> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

> science is

> > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> Neither I

> > > > nor

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no

> need to

> > > > talk

> > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well

> placed

> > > > or

> > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied

> in the

> > > > > > method

> > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> strong will

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the

> planets

> > > > are

> > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that

> this

> > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent

> health

> > > > is

> > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha

> but

> > > > also

> > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a

> > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> auspicious.

> > > > This is

> > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If

> you

> > > > have a

> > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the

> > > > arudha

> > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> mulling

> > > > over

> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> Benedict

> > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I

> used only

> > > > the

> > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand

> this

> > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with

> all.

> > > > For

> > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes

> chart -

> > > > good

> > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar

> of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> rectification.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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May I add?.Suppose twins are born one after the other.One of them ought to be

older than the other. and therefore , we may have to take the third house from

the lagnam as the lagnam of the later born.?Regards,

jagannathanPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions ofdivisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

notfit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few

versions of rashi charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> >

Dear Panditji> > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> >

Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can have > same

hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.> > Can anyone help me in

analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> bhavas here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Panditji > wrote:> > Namaste,> > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of

twins a couple of months> > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can

be explained > with> > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

married at> > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?> >

> > ...> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries

of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > >

> following argument Appealed me and convinced me about > the 'Importance' of>

> > Varga chart> > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart

stands for so many matters. how to> > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka

technology)> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10

for > respect and> > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it >

automatically brings> > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely

tool to see > Vimshopak> > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major

difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly > justied only by> > >

Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha Sarathy wrote:> > > Dear Sourav> > > > > >

That was a brilliant mail.> > > I

am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > >

benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a > detailed> > >

interpretation.> > > best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05,

Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >

|| Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > Namaskar. As per

your request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS which is

relevent to your and my > arguments once> > > > more so that I am confident in

giving this reply. I wish not to> > > > write any more in this subject as it is

useless to argue > against ill> > > >

formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote:> >

> > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before >

commenting.Every> > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only > against> > > > varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My argument: I will

only use BPHS in my argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the

rishis of his era and later eras)> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also

pithy form so save space > but to> > > > deliver the message clearly. So each

word is very relevant and> > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of

chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation> > > > C.2 - Great

Incarnations of the

Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal

Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special

Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign> > > > C.8 - Divisional

Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the

Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils at Birth> > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > >

> C.13- Judgement of Houses> > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > C.15-

Effects of the 2nd House> > > > (etc.)> > > > > > > > From the scheme of

things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > > importance.

Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > > after**

defining in

details all the sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > > formulation of these

vargas and the presiding deities. This is> > > > significant.> > > > > > > >

You again said:> > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and

fresh mind all > your > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has

been clearly> > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > >

Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > details> > > > of

vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala

of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken > argument.> > > > I will tell you

why.> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha

dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah

shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > >

khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||> > > > > > > > "These

vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,> > > > Chaturthamsa,

Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa,

Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and

Sasthiamsa."> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is

clearly clubbed> > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as

bhavas > and > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with

other> > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as >

rasi> > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart >

(called> > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 >

onwards) will> > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> >

> > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > >

> > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi

grihabat smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > >

Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to

be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them

i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.> > > > > > > > 2.

Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts > cannot> > > > exist

because it becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances in> > > > varga

charts.> > > > > > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis -

Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is

for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and

9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division > not a> > > > chart- so are other

vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > > > see the planets Hora

placement.BPHS explains the strength of >

planets> > > > in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > >

Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > >

Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||> > > >

Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami

yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu,

Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in

order the names of the 12 > houses.> > > > Other things than these should be

understood according to > one's own> > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell

you some new things which > I> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"> > >

> > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

should be> > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different > things> >

> > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This

responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru

Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a

particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this

is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for

the significance for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this particular

chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H

can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H

can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > >

wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of

things of sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should

intelligently ask and assign the> > > > significance of a particular house in a

Varga Chakra. Note that> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

particular > aspect> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a

career Varga > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the

field of> > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and >

relationship> > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career >

field.> > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the >

significance

> > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you> > >

> how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!> > > > > > > > 3.

I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument.> > > > > >

> > You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose

lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found?

In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will

not have > anymore > > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in

BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking

about in that portion you will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what

various vargas signify. In the end he > says > > > > this statement. Your

translation of the statement is > misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C.

Sharma has given "There is no doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house

whose lord is in a malefic > Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no

matter what divisional chart you > consider, if> > > > any house lord in any

such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read > ruled> > > > by a malefic deity),

that house in that varga chart is > definitely> > > > going to suffer. He didnt

say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > >

> > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this> > >

> discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

> seem to> > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather>

> > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of> > > > the

learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > >

> > > Sourav > > > >> > > >

===================================================================> > > > > >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > wrote:>

> > > >> > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > > >> > > > > You can address me without

a ji.> > > > >> > > > > I think you are new

to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> > > > been> > > > > going on

since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows > what i am> > > > >

saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > analysed> > > > new>

> > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.> > > > >> > > > >

You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> > > > >

varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh >

mind -> > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas

has been clearly explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > >

> >> > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and

4th> > > > for> > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

you > pls tell> > > > me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a

division not a > chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd

house matters,one has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS

explains the strength of planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is

shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > >

flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > > > shastyamsha?> >

> > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > wrote: > > > > >

>> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> >

> > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> > > > > > haven't

carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. He never

undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > > > always say in

this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > > event,

it will not happen even if indications are there in >

the > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi >

Parasara> > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

effectively> > > > defining> > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into

bhava analysis. > Why so > > > > much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by

the Sage himself ?!?> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many

significances, the > same 4H> > > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship,

house, heart, vehicles happiness > and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to

get all predictions done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for

a secondary check, you might be mislead. > The> > > >

ideal> > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.

There is the beautiful example of twins who are born > very> > > > close> > > >

> > in time to each other and have completely different > capabilities> > > >

and> > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha-ji

> > > > has> > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly >

read it> > > > > > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > I like

to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > > > learning.> > > > > >

But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the > same of> > > > > >

argument, I think it

doesn't stand good for the purpose of> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will

be taken based on what I wrote and meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind

defender of faith in my Guru.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > >

> > Sourav> > > > > >> > > >> > > >

=====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha

ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

imperfections.Now you > have> > > > said> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very

simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not> > > > even > > > > > > > understood

10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > > > > properly.It

will take many years to master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> > > > > > say> >

> > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > hand - > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main > why

do> > > > you> > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.> > > >

> > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so > many > > > >

yogas> > > >

> > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all> > > > > > >

aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will > we see> > > > the> >

> > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > >

see> > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and

10th> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th

''house'' and > lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R.

Rao"> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple> > > > > >

lists. > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more> >

> > detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

> replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,> > > > > > Germany?> > > >

> > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,> > > >

please> > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified >

lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > and various divisions by

retro-fitting.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > >

Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > >

Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in

the> > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this

> > > > out.> > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > > after> > > > > >

the> > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other >

> > > dasas.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi

chakra was not > given> > > > due> > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > during

your analysis.Results were decided on the > basis of > > > > > > varga -> > > >

> > > > > which is derived from

Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are

observing this > analysis - Pls> > > > > > make> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > >

> clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of > a> > > > > > >

planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar >

analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > > One could find

Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -> > > > > > > > >

Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > know if> > > > you> > > >

> > > hold a> > > > > > > > > different position. > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should

be > judged> > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for

the > sake > > > > of> > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The

best answer > is not> > > > any> > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of

charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart,

I'll choose > the > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24

for > education> > > > etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though

imperfect,

it works > way> > > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better >

results,> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from perfection.

Perfection can come only when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood

correctly and used. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the

matters seen in various > divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > physical

matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,> > > > professional> > > > > > >

matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> >

> > > > in> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a >

higher> > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > >

subject> > > > > > and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60,

which was given > so> > > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish

can be established as a> > > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we

master D-60.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is

not considering the> > > > vargas> > > > > > >

cannot> > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it

mean> > > > > > that> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > is someother place -

(other than vargas) - to read > the> > > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > >

> > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > >

Division> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get

divided.So which > is this> > > > > > main?> > > > > > > If we> > > > > > > > >

consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > > > is> > > > > >

the> > > > > > >

main?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of

the vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > > to Parasara.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask > me to> > > > >

> pick> > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I>

> > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in

D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > > more> > > > > > > weightage than rasi and

navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > > > > > > vimsopaka

bala.> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense,

we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating> > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few

hours before. Only the Moon> > > > changes> > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have > > > >

different> > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

> and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna >

does> > > > not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

predictive> > > > principle is> > > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > >

predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > astrologers > > > > of> > > > >

> > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too >

advised> > > > them,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole

generation is being misguided. > Most > > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > >

> > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of > the God.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole >

> > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is

> being> > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully >

discover> > > > the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology

as a > science is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will

judge. > Neither I> > > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to

pre-judge it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your

work. There is no > need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided

generations.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if

eighth lord is well > placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even

exalted,> > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied >

in the > > > > > > method> > > > > > > of three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may

argue that the eighth lord when > strong will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > >

problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the >

planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > > will give their

auspicious results - he states that > this> > > > > > applies> > > > > > > to

both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and > in

> > > > the> > > > > > > fifth

house, it> > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent >

health> > > > is> > > > > > > promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the

problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the

placement of vaaresha > but> > > > also> > > > > > > the ownership of the

vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a> > > > muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be

randhresha, I do not consider it > auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > >

just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If > you> > > > have a> >

> > > > > different view, I can respect it.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the > > > > arudha> >

> > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time > mulling>

> > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > >

> > naathaanaam> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come

to a> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is

in Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not

use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only> > > >

the> > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand >

this > > > > > > clause> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my

understanding with > all.> > > > For> > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart

- > > > > good> > > > > > > rectification.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank

you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > > your> > > > > > >

knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> rectification. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on

us,> > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > >> > >>

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