Multiple replies / Shri Utpal /Panditji

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Dear Panditji

 

Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

minutes.

 

Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can have

same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

 

Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

bhavas here.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of months

> back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

with

> divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at

> the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

>

> ...

>

> On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> >

> > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> >

> > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

the 'Importance' of

> > Varga chart

> >

> > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to

> > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> >

> > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for

respect and

> > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

automatically brings

> > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see

Vimshopak

> > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> >

> > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

justied only by

> > Difference in Varga charts.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > utpal pathak

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > Dear Sourav

> >

> > That was a brilliant mail.

> > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you

kindly for the

> > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a

detailed

> > interpretation.

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

the

> > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

arguments once

> > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to

> > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

against ill

> > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > >

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

commenting.Every

> > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

against

> > > varga ''charts''."

> > >

> > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > >

> > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space

but to

> > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and

> > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the

BPHS.

> > >

> > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > (etc.)

> > >

> > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of

prime

> > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis

**only

> > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a

sign, the

> > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > > significant.

> > >

> > > You again said:

> > >

> > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all

your

> > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

> > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > >

> > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of

details

> > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for

> > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

argument.

> > > I will tell you why.

> > >

> > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > >

> > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > >

> > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

Trimsamsa,

> > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > >

> > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed

> > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas

and

> > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as

rasi

> > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart

(called

> > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

onwards) will

> > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > >

> > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:

> > >

> > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > >

> > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > >

> > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

Navamamsa,

> > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12

houses**

> > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > >

> > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

vargas are

> > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

popular of

> > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> > >

> > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

cannot

> > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

significances in

> > > varga charts.

> > >

> > > You stated:

> > >

> > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

and 4th

> > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

pls

> > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

not a

> > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to

> > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets

> > > in Hora."

> > >

> > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > >

> > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > >

> > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra,

Dharma,

> > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

houses.

> > > Other things than these should be understood according to

one's own

> > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which

I

> > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > >

> > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be

> > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different

things

> > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > >

> > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

55218 by

> > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can

mean what

> > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.

> > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you

> > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as

they dont

> > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of

Hora

> > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

wealth and

> > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in

earning

> > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning

wealth

> > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > >

> > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that

> > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular

aspect

> > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga

> > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of

> > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

relationship

> > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

field.

> > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

significance

> > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show

you

> > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> > >

> > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last

argument.

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

benefic

> > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

chakra

> > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have

anymore

> > > doubts."

> > >

> > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context

of

> > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see

that he

> > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he

says

> > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

misleading. I

> > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt

in the

> > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

Sashtiamsa" This

> > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

consider, if

> > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read

ruled

> > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

definitely

> > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby

> > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > >

> > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to

this

> > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

seem to

> > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding

rather

> > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of

> > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> >

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> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > >

> > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > >

> > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

vargas.It has

> > > been

> > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows

what i am

> > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

analysed

> > > new

> > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > >

> > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

commenting.Every

> > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

against

> > > varga

> > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh

mind -

> > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

vimshopaka

> > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > >

> > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

and 4th

> > > for

> > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

pls tell

> > > me

> > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

chart-

> > > so

> > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to

see the

> > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets

in

> > > Hora.

> > > >

> > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

shstyamsha will

> > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > shastyamsha?

> > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart.

Infact he

> > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't

allow

> > > an

> > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in

the

> > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi

Parasara

> > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively

> > > defining

> > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis.

Why so

> > > much

> > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the

same 4H

> > > shows

> > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

and so

> > > on.

> > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and

then go

> > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead.

The

> > > ideal

> > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born

very

> > > close

> > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

capabilities

> > > and

> > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

Narasimha-ji

> > > has

> > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly

read it

> > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to

> > > learning.

> > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the

same of

> > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > > learning.

> > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and

not

> > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > >

> >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you

have

> > > said

> > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have

not

> > > even

> > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi

chakra

> > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one

hand

> > > you

> > > > > say

> > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other

hand -

> > >

> > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main

why do

> > > you

> > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so

many

> > > yogas

> > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to

all

> > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will

we see

> > > the

> > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will

we

> > > see

> > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house

and 10th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and

lord

> > > in

> > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on

multiple

> > > > > lists.

> > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more

> > > detailed

> > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

replies

> > > on

> > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,

> > > please

> > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified

lagna

> > > in

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus

mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software

in the

> > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing

this

> > > out.

> > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa

> > > after

> > > > > the

> > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for

other

> > > dasas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

given

> > > due

> > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the

basis of

> > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

analysis - Pls

> > > > > make

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of

a

> > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

analysis on

> > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to

know if

> > > you

> > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be

judged

> > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the

sake

> > > of

> > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer

is not

> > > any

> > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose

the

> > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

education

> > > etc)

> > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works

way

> > > better

> > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better

results,

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when

> > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

divisions

> > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > professional

> > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-

60.

> > > Also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a

higher

> > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect

> > > subject

> > > > > and

> > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given

so

> > > much

> > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a

> > > science

> > > > > only

> > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the

> > > vargas

> > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't

it mean

> > > > > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read

the

> > > > > results?

> > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

chakra?

> > > Division

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which

is this

> > > > > main?

> > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then

where

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > main?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas

> > > > > according

> > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask

me to

> > > > > pick

> > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and

gave

> > > it

> > > > > more

> > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining

dasa

> > > varga

> > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

Vargas

> > > repeating

> > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon

> > > changes

> > > > > its

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have

> > > different

> > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

and

> > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna

does

> > > not

> > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive

> > > principle is

> > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

astrologers

> > > of

> > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

advised

> > > them,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided.

Most

> > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of

the God.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a

whole

> > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is

being

> > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully

discover

> > > the

> > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

science is

> > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

Neither I

> > > nor

> > > > > you

> > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no

need to

> > > talk

> > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well

placed

> > > or

> > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied

in the

> > > > > method

> > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

strong will

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the

planets

> > > are

> > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that

this

> > > > > applies

> > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

in

> > > the

> > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent

health

> > > is

> > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha

but

> > > also

> > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a

> > > muhurta

> > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

auspicious.

> > > This is

> > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If

you

> > > have a

> > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the

> > > arudha

> > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

mulling

> > > over

> > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

Benedict

> > > XVI's

> > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I

used only

> > > the

> > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand

this

> > > > > clause

> > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with

all.

> > > For

> > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes

chart -

> > > good

> > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar

of

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rectification.

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[Guest guest]

**aum namo bhagavathe vasudevaya**

 

Namaste Jagannath ji,

Well why is it that only for twins we need to deduce the lagna of

younger based on the lagna of older. If so, this argument can also be

applied for any siblings not just twins. And that'd not be a natal

chart of the native but some other kind of chart. Not sure which

classic mentions this proposal or is it just convenience to

circumvent

the problem of twins?

thanks and rgds

-Prasad

 

vedic astrology, kapisthalam jagannathan

<jagannathankr> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

> May I add?.Suppose twins are born one after the other.One of them

ought to be older than the other. and therefore , we may have to

take

the third house from the lagnam as the lagnam of the later born.?

> Regards,

> jagannathan

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

It may be my wild imagination but yet I wish to explain further.

Regarding the third house from the lagnam we are asked to treat the third house

as the lagnam of the "first younger born" ,the fifth house as the lagnam of the

"second younger" born and so on.?irrespective of the actual lagnam of each such

of the younger borns , as per their birth charts.

The third house from Mars is also suggeted to be treated as denoting the lagnam

of the younger born for the purposes of estimating the no of younger co borns

who are likely to be born.In such a case, perhaps, we have to treat the

position of Mars in the natal chart as denoting the lagnam for assesing the no

of younger co borns.

In a likewise manner in the case of twins,irrespective of the actual lagnam in

the natal chart that may happen to be theoretically, what if the third house

from the lagnam of the eldest co born be treated as the lagnam of the first

later born or post born.?Suppose two or three or four of the twins are, born

once again we have to allocate the third, fifth and so on places from the

lagnam proper, as denoting the lagnam of each of the post borns respectively.

 

Suppose only two are born as twins and no further child is born to the parents

once and for all,and should the third house from the lagnam of the eldest born,

doesnt indicate the birth of any further younger child for the parent,due to

severe afflictions. then the fifth house should be taken to denote the lagnam

of the later born amongst the twins,.if it suits.Suppose after the birth of

twins one more younger one is born then the fifth house may be deemed as the

lagnam of that post born.?Suppose there is an abbortion in the meanwhile and so

on.?

 

Suppose the later born amongst the twins is a female and either the third or

fifth house doesnt strongly and duly,indicate the birth of a female then we

have to consider the next house in the order which has to be treated as the

lagnam of the post born,and so on.?

One may ask as to why the lagnam proper shouldnt be treated as the lagnam of

the younger co born and the eleventh house be treated as the lagnam of the

eldest born,amongst the twins?Should the situation warrent by virtue of the

fact that the next borns either as elders or younger ones after examining the

suitability pertaining to the lagna of each one of them construed as above we

may adopt such a method also to arrive at the lagnam of each elder co born or

younger co born?.

Lagnam is the seat of the fist,third and the elventh bhavas also in a way to

account for the total no of co borns who might have been born.?

This is all theory and needs to be substantiated and corroborated by actual cases.

I request friends to excuse me if what I have written doesnt serve any real purpose.

regards,

jagannathan.kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sir,

May I add?.Suppose twins are born one after the other.One of them ought to be

older than the other. and therefore , we may have to take the third house from

the lagnam as the lagnam of the later born.?Regards,

jagannathanPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions ofdivisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

notfit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few

versions of rashi charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> >

Dear Panditji> > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> >

Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can have > same

hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.> > Can anyone help me in

analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> bhavas here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Panditji > wrote:> > Namaste,> > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of

twins a couple of months> > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can

be explained > with> > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

married at> > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?> >

> > ...> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries

of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > >

> following argument Appealed me and convinced me about > the 'Importance' of>

> > Varga chart> > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart

stands for so many matters. how to> > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka

technology)> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10

for > respect and> > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it >

automatically brings> > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely

tool to see > Vimshopak> > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major

difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly > justied only by> > >

Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha Sarathy wrote:> > > Dear Sourav> > > > > >

That was a brilliant mail.> > > I

am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > >

benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a > detailed> > >

interpretation.> > > best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05,

Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >

|| Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > Namaskar. As per

your request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS which is

relevent to your and my > arguments once> > > > more so that I am confident in

giving this reply. I wish not to> > > > write any more in this subject as it is

useless to argue > against ill> > > >

formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote:> >

> > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before >

commenting.Every> > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only > against> > > > varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My argument: I will

only use BPHS in my argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the

rishis of his era and later eras)> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also

pithy form so save space > but to> > > > deliver the message clearly. So each

word is very relevant and> > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of

chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation> > > > C.2 - Great

Incarnations of the

Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal

Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special

Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign> > > > C.8 - Divisional

Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the

Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils at Birth> > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > >

> C.13- Judgement of Houses> > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > C.15-

Effects of the 2nd House> > > > (etc.)> > > > > > > > From the scheme of

things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > > importance.

Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > > after**

defining in

details all the sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > > formulation of these

vargas and the presiding deities. This is> > > > significant.> > > > > > > >

You again said:> > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and

fresh mind all > your > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has

been clearly> > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > >

Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > details> > > > of

vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala

of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken > argument.> > > > I will tell you

why.> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha

dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah

shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > >

khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||> > > > > > > > "These

vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,> > > > Chaturthamsa,

Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa,

Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and

Sasthiamsa."> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is

clearly clubbed> > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as

bhavas > and > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with

other> > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as >

rasi> > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart >

(called> > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 >

onwards) will> > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> >

> > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > >

> > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi

grihabat smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > >

Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to

be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them

i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.> > > > > > > > 2.

Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts > cannot> > > > exist

because it becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances in> > > > varga

charts.> > > > > > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis -

Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is

for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and

9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division > not a> > > > chart- so are other

vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > > > see the planets Hora

placement.BPHS explains the strength of >

planets> > > > in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > >

Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > >

Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||> > > >

Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami

yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu,

Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in

order the names of the 12 > houses.> > > > Other things than these should be

understood according to > one's own> > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell

you some new things which > I> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"> > >

> > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

should be> > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different > things> >

> > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This

responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru

Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a

particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this

is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for

the significance for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this particular

chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H

can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H

can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > >

wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of

things of sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should

intelligently ask and assign the> > > > significance of a particular house in a

Varga Chakra. Note that> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

particular > aspect> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a

career Varga > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the

field of> > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and >

relationship> > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career >

field.> > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the >

significance

> > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you> > >

> how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!> > > > > > > > 3.

I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument.> > > > > >

> > You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose

lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found?

In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will

not have > anymore > > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in

BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking

about in that portion you will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what

various vargas signify. In the end he > says > > > > this statement. Your

translation of the statement is > misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C.

Sharma has given "There is no doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house

whose lord is in a malefic > Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no

matter what divisional chart you > consider, if> > > > any house lord in any

such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read > ruled> > > > by a malefic deity),

that house in that varga chart is > definitely> > > > going to suffer. He didnt

say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > >

> > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this> > >

> discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

> seem to> > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather>

> > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of> > > > the

learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > >

> > > Sourav > > > >> > > >

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> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > wrote:>

> > > >> > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > > >> > > > > You can address me without

a ji.> > > > >> > > > > I think you are new

to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> > > > been> > > > > going on

since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows > what i am> > > > >

saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > analysed> > > > new>

> > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.> > > > >> > > > >

You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> > > > >

varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh >

mind -> > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas

has been clearly explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > >

> >> > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and

4th> > > > for> > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

you > pls tell> > > > me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a

division not a > chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd

house matters,one has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS

explains the strength of planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is

shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > >

flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > > > shastyamsha?> >

> > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > wrote: > > > > >

>> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> >

> > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> > > > > > haven't

carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. He never

undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > > > always say in

this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > > event,

it will not happen even if indications are there in >

the > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi >

Parasara> > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

effectively> > > > defining> > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into

bhava analysis. > Why so > > > > much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by

the Sage himself ?!?> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many

significances, the > same 4H> > > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship,

house, heart, vehicles happiness > and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to

get all predictions done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for

a secondary check, you might be mislead. > The> > > >

ideal> > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.

There is the beautiful example of twins who are born > very> > > > close> > > >

> > in time to each other and have completely different > capabilities> > > >

and> > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha-ji

> > > > has> > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly >

read it> > > > > > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > I like

to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > > > learning.> > > > > >

But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the > same of> > > > > >

argument, I think it

doesn't stand good for the purpose of> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will

be taken based on what I wrote and meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind

defender of faith in my Guru.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > >

> > Sourav> > > > > >> > > >> > > >

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> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha

ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

imperfections.Now you > have> > > > said> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very

simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not> > > > even > > > > > > > understood

10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > > > > properly.It

will take many years to master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> > > > > > say> >

> > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > hand - > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main > why

do> > > > you> > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.> > > >

> > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so > many > > > >

yogas> > > >

> > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all> > > > > > >

aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will > we see> > > > the> >

> > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > >

see> > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and

10th> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th

''house'' and > lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R.

Rao"> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple> > > > > >

lists. > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more> >

> > detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

> replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,> > > > > > Germany?> > > >

> > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,> > > >

please> > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified >

lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > and various divisions by

retro-fitting.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > >

Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > >

Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in

the> > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this

> > > > out.> > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > > after> > > > > >

the> > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other >

> > > dasas.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi

chakra was not > given> > > > due> > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > during

your analysis.Results were decided on the > basis of > > > > > > varga -> > > >

> > > > > which is derived from

Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are

observing this > analysis - Pls> > > > > > make> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > >

> clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of > a> > > > > > >

planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar >

analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > > One could find

Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -> > > > > > > > >

Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > know if> > > > you> > > >

> > > hold a> > > > > > > > > different position. > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should

be > judged> > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for

the > sake > > > > of> > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The

best answer > is not> > > > any> > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of

charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart,

I'll choose > the > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24

for > education> > > > etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though

imperfect,

it works > way> > > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better >

results,> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from perfection.

Perfection can come only when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood

correctly and used. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the

matters seen in various > divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > physical

matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,> > > > professional> > > > > > >

matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> >

> > > > in> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a >

higher> > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > >

subject> > > > > > and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60,

which was given > so> > > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish

can be established as a> > > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we

master D-60.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is

not considering the> > > > vargas> > > > > > >

cannot> > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it

mean> > > > > > that> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > is someother place -

(other than vargas) - to read > the> > > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > >

> > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > >

Division> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get

divided.So which > is this> > > > > > main?> > > > > > > If we> > > > > > > > >

consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > > > is> > > > > >

the> > > > > > >

main?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of

the vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > > to Parasara.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask > me to> > > > >

> pick> > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I>

> > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in

D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > > more> > > > > > > weightage than rasi and

navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > > > > > > vimsopaka

bala.> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense,

we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating> > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few

hours before. Only the Moon> > > > changes> > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have > > > >

different> > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

> and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna >

does> > > > not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

predictive> > > > principle is> > > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > >

predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > astrologers > > > > of> > > > >

> > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too >

advised> > > > them,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole

generation is being misguided. > Most > > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > >

> > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of > the God.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole >

> > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is

> being> > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully >

discover> > > > the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology

as a > science is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will

judge. > Neither I> > > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to

pre-judge it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your

work. There is no > need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided

generations.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if

eighth lord is well > placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even

exalted,> > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied >

in the > > > > > > method> > > > > > > of three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may

argue that the eighth lord when > strong will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > >

problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the >

planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > > will give their

auspicious results - he states that > this> > > > > > applies> > > > > > > to

both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and > in

> > > > the> > > > > > > fifth

house, it> > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent >

health> > > > is> > > > > > > promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the

problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the

placement of vaaresha > but> > > > also> > > > > > > the ownership of the

vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a> > > > muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be

randhresha, I do not consider it > auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > >

just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If > you> > > > have a> >

> > > > > different view, I can respect it.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the > > > > arudha> >

> > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time > mulling>

> > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > >

> > naathaanaam> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come

to a> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is

in Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not

use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only> > > >

the> > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand >

this > > > > > > clause> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my

understanding with > all.> > > > For> > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart

- > > > > good> > > > > > > rectification.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank

you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > > your> > > > > > >

knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> rectification. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on

us,> > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > >> > >>

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I am happy to see your kind mail.I dont claim that my imagination is valid

outright.Perhaps my wild imagination may serve to kindle a real thought in an

intelligent astrologer who may develop a new approach to the problem of twins.?

Regards,

jagannathan.vvootla <vvootla > wrote:

**aum namo bhagavathe vasudevaya**Namaste Jagannath ji,Well why is it that only

for twins we need to deduce the lagna of younger based on the lagna of older.

If so, this argument can also be applied for any siblings not just twins. And

that'd not be a natal chart of the native but some other kind of chart. Not

sure which classic mentions this proposal or is it just convenience

tocircumvent the problem of twins?thanks and rgds-Prasad--- In

vedic astrology, kapisthalam jagannathan wrote:> Dear Sir,> May

I add?.Suppose twins are born one after the other.One of them ought to be older

than the other. and therefore , we may have totake the third house from the

lagnam as the lagnam of the later born.?> Regards,>

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Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl. read Much) to it.

if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest in

judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to other Varga Charts.

 

You asked following things

> > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am very very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any help from any other

Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

 

At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to the differences in

the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16 or D24

or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

 

For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar field (Cricket)

but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have same d10 along with same

rasi chart ofcourse.

 

pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of every body

 

 

Regards,

UtpalPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions ofdivisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

notfit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few

versions of rashi charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:> > Dear Panditji> > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> > Thus as you have said - there

can be possibility that twins can have > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha

and same dashamsha.> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and

dashamsha

> bhavas here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste,> > > > Sharmaji of this list had

given a chart of twins a couple of months> > back. Both have the same navamsha.

If twins case can be explained > with> > divisional charts, are you suggesting

that both will get married at> > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will

be identical ?> > > > ...> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>

wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > I

would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > following argument Appealed me and

convinced me about > the 'Importance' of> > > Varga chart> > > > > >

1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to> > >

diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that

d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for > respect and> > > work in , d12 for

parents and so on & so forth then it > automatically brings> > > the important

of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see > Vimshopak> > > bal,

Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be

most fittingly > justied only by> > > Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > >

regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha

Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Sourav>

> > > > > That was a brilliant mail.> > > I am especially interested in the

Trimsamsa sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > > benefit of the readers,

explain each individual term and give a > detailed> > > interpretation.> > >

best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury

<sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >

|| Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > >

Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS

which is relevent to your and my > arguments once> > > >

more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to> > > > write any

more in this subject as it is useless to argue > against ill> > > > formed

hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > >

> > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> >

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my

argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and

later eras)> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

space > but to> > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

relevant and> > > > important.Now

let us see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The

Creation> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary

Characters and Description> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding

Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen

Divisions of a Sign> > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects

of the Signs> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils

at Birth> > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > >

> C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > >

(etc.)> > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very

clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > > importance. Explanations are given for

Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > > after** defining in details all the

sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > > formulation of these vargas and the

presiding deities. This is> > > > significant.> > > > > > > > You again said:>

> > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all >

your > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly> >

> > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > > Are you

implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > details> > > > of vargas

and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of

planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> argument.> > > > I will tell you why.> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > >

> Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso

dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso

bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah

param ||> > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora,

Drekkana,> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> >

> > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the

words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> > > > together with other

vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas >

and > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other> > >

> vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi> > > >

also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > (called> > > >

D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) will> > > >

show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> > > > > > > > I will

give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > > > > > > BPHS

C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat

smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > >

in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that

Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to be analysed as

individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them i.e. the rasi

varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.> > > > > > > > 2. Your next

argument is trying to show that varga charts > cannot> > > > exist because it

becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances in> > > > varga charts.> > > >

> > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th

house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is

a division > not a> >

> > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > >

> see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets> > > >

in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje

bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

||> > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam

vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja,

Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya

are in order the names of the 12 > houses.> > > > Other things than these

should be understood according to > one's own> > > > intelligence. Now I will

try to tell you some new

things which > I> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"> > > > > > > >

Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> > > > understood

according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > > divisional chart

each house can potentially mean different > things> > > > depending on the

particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This responds to your

second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for

further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a particular Varga.

Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this is an exceptional

chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for the significance

for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this

particular chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like

Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H can mean

fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > > wealth or the

guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of things of

sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask

and assign the> > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

Note that> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular >

aspect> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > >

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > >

career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and > relationship> > >

> with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field.> > > > I

ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > significance > > > > of

each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you> > > > how

deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!> > > > > > > > 3. I

will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument.> > > > > > >

> You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose

lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found?

In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will

not have > anymore > > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in

BPHS is C.8.6 If you

see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you

will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In

the end he > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic >

Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if> > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

(read > ruled> > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is >

definitely> > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby >

> > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > >

> > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this> > >

> discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You > seem to> > > > be

too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > > > others. It's

best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather> > > > than jump up

and challange other's understandings especially of> > > > the learned and

experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >

Sourav > > > >> > > >

===================================================================> > > > > >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> Dear shri Saurav> > > > >> > > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > >>

> > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> >

> > been> > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows >

what i am> > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had >

analysed> > > > new> > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi

chart.> > > > >> > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before >

commenting.Every> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only > against> > > > varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with

caution and fresh > mind -> > > > > all your

doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > >> > > > > In

bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for> >

> > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls tell> > >

> me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a >

chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava

whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > > flourish

- where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > Ask

this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > > >> > > > >

Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > <sourav12@h...>

wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > >

Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> >

> > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > >

> > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > >

> always

say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > >

event, it will not happen even if indications are there in > the > > > > > >

higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > Parasara> > > > > >

has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively> > > > defining> >

> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why so > > >

> much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > >

>> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the > same 4H>

> > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to

get all predictions done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for

a secondary check, you might be mislead. > The> > > > ideal> > > > > > is to

mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful

example of twins who are born > very> > > > close> > > > > > in time to each

other and have completely different > capabilities> > > > and> > > > > >

personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha-ji > > > > has> >

> > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly > read it> > > >

> > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > I like to see many

schools of thought. It is beneficial to >

> > > learning.> > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

the > same of> > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

purpose of> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I

wrote and meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my

Guru.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> >

> >> > > >

=====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very

right in pointing the imperfections.Now you > have> > > > said> > > > > > >

Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not> > > > even > > >

> > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > >

> > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> >

> > > > say> > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

other > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is

not the main > why do> > > > you> > > > > > > want to use them in

combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why

do you give so > many > > > > yogas> > > > > > > in your software based on

Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all> > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just

for physique - how will > we see> > > > the> > > > > > > qualities of

Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > > see> > > > > > >

Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and 10th> > > > > >

lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and >

lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > >

<pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more> > > >

detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further >

replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,> > > >

> > Germany?> > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it

is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the

timezone should be 1:00,> > > > please> > > > > > > change the birthtime to

6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did

not know the time and rectified > lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > >

and various divisions by retro-fitting.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You

wrote:> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus >

mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > Please

check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in the> > > > > > >

second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this > > > > out.> >

> > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Technically, BTW,

whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > > after> > > > > > the> > > > > > >

age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other > > > > dasas.> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

> given> > > > due> > > > > > > respect> > > > >

> > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > basis of > > > > > >

varga -> > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > analysis - Pls> >

> > > > make> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce

results from varga of > a> > > > > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When

Panditji had questioned a similar > analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > >

> > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -> >

> > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I

would be pleased to > know if> > > > you> > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > >

different position. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked,

I will clarify MY position.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection,

multiple divisional charts should be > judged> > > > > > > together. We are

often doing imperfect astrology for the > sake > > > > of> > > > > > >

simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer > is not> > > > any> > >

> > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose > the > >

> > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for > education> > > >

etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works > way>

> > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better > results,> > > > it>

> > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only

when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various >

divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > physical matters in rasi,

financial matters in D-2,> > > > professional> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he

said that "everything" is seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> > > > > > in> > > > > >

> vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am

fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > > subject> > > > > >

and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given > so>

> > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a>

> > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we master D-60.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering

the> > > > vargas> > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > make good

predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it mean> > > > > > that> > > > > > >

there> > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read > the>

> > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place?

Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > > Division> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > >

meaning should have a main to get divided.So which > is this> > > > > > main?>

> > > > > > If we>

> > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > >

> is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > main?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a

divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > >

to Parasara.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and

secondary. If you ask > me to> > > > > > pick> > > > > > > the most important

divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I> > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above,

Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > >

more> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > >

> > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > >

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating>

> > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon> > > >

changes> > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly

repeat. Different divisions have > > > > different> > > > > > > patterns. The

navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa > and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa

combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > does> > > >

not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive> > > > principle is>

> > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude.

Veteran > astrologers > > > > of> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group

like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too > advised> > > > them,> > > > > > >

but> > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most

> > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it

is the will of > the God.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > >

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being> > > >

> > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover> > > >

the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a > science

is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. > Neither I>

> > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no >

need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided generations.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well >

placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > > > then longevity

will be long - This is also applied > in the > > > > > > method> > > > > > > of

three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when > strong

will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara

states in Prasna Marga, that when the > planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong

they> > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that >

this> > > > > > applies> > > > > >

> to both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

> in > > > > the> > > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > > > means the

digestive fire is excellent and excellent > health> > > > is> > > > > > >

promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha > but> > > > also> >

> > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a> > > >

muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it >

auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly

granted by

classics. If > you> > > > have a> > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of

the > > > > arudha> > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > calculation of

vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I

spent so much time > mulling> > > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa

clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah

sudheemataa", but could not come to a> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > When I wrote that Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not use

the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only> > > > the> > > > > > > standard

definition and ignoring the additional clause.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > this > > > > > >

clause> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with >

all.> > > > For> > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart - > > > > good> > > >

> > > rectification.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > > your>

> > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my > rectification. > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > > > > > > >

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I have given the answer to the puzzle of same navamsas for marriage timing in other message.

The answer to such puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa shows "KARMA" to be

experienced in this life.

 

best wishes

partha

 

On 4/23/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

 

Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl. read Much) to it.

if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest in

judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to other Varga Charts.

 

You asked following things

> > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

 

I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am very very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any help from any other

Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

 

At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to the differences in

the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16 or D24

or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

 

For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar field (Cricket)

but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have same d10 along with same

rasi chart ofcourse.

 

pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of every body

 

 

Regards,

UtpalPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions of

divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does notfit, try the

different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few versions of rashi

charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <

vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:> > Dear Panditji> > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> > Thus as you have said - there

can be possibility that twins can have > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha

and same dashamsha.

> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha > bhavas

here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> >

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste,>

> > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of months> >

back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?> > > > ...> > > > On

4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <

vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha &

Philosophy,> > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > following

argument Appealed me and convinced me about > the 'Importance' of> > > Varga

chart> > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how

to> > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for >

respect and> > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it >

automatically brings

> > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see >

Vimshopak> > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major difference in

lives of Twins can be most fittingly > justied only by> > > Difference in Varga

charts.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Sourav> > > > > >

That was a brilliant mail.> > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa

sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > > benefit of the readers, explain each

individual term and give a > detailed> > > interpretation.> > > best wishes> >

> partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...>

wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > || Om Gurave

Namah ||

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > Namaskar. As per your

request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to

your and my > arguments once> > > > more so that I am confident in giving this

reply. I wish not to> > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to

argue > against ill> > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. >

> > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my

mails before > commenting.Every> > > > varga defined by sage parashara is

important - i am only > against> > > > varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My

argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi

Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space > but to>

> > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and> > > >

important.Now

let us see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The

Creation> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary

Characters and Description

> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions > > > >

C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign> > > >

C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > > > C.10-

Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils at Birth> > > > C.12-

Antidotes for Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > > > C.14- Effects of

the 1st House> > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > > (etc.)> > > > > > >

> From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > >

importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > >

after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > >

formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > > > significant.> > > > > > > > You again said:> > > > > > > > "If you read

those chapters with caution and fresh mind all > your > > > > doubts will be

cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly> > > > explained.Read

vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went

into all the trouble of > details> > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to

give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely

mistaken > argument.> > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha

dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah

shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > >

khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||> > > > > > > > "These

vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > > >

Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> > > >

Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> >

> > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas > and > > >

> perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi> > >

> also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > (called> > > >

D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) will> > > >

show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> > > > > > > > I will

give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > > > > > > BPHS

C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat

smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > >

Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to

be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them

i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts >

cannot> > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances

in> > > > varga charts.

> > > > > > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara

advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is for rashi

chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses

in Hora?Hora is a division > not a> > > > chart- so are other vargas.After

seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > > > see the planets Hora

placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets> > > > in Hora." > > > > > >

> > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha

|

> > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||> > > >

Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami

yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu,

Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in

order the names of the 12 > houses.

> > > > Other things than these should be understood according to > one's own> >

> > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which > I> > > >

heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> >

> > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > >

divisional chart each house can potentially mean different > things> > > >

depending on the particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This

responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru

Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a

particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this

is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for

the significance for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this particular

chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H

can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding

wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > > wealth or the guidence (or

mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that> > > >

Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular > aspect> > > > of

life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > > > > chakra and

La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > > career. 9H here will

show the nature of guidence and > relationship> > > > with the guide (read

'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field.> > > > I ask you to exercise your

intelligence and derive the > significance > > > > of each divisional chart. It

will help you immensely and show > you> > > > how deep the above quoted

statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> > > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last >

argument.> > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in']

shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish

- where is this bhava found? In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this

last question and you will not have > anymore

> > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you

see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you

will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the

end he > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is >

misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic >

Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if

> > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read > ruled> >

> > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is > definitely> > > >

going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > > > indicating

any divisional chart.> > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't

matter if I am new to > this> > > > discussion. I need not read all your

previous e-mails. You > seem to> > > > be too attached to your own line of

thinking and shutting away > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self

in understanding > rather> > > > than jump up and challange other's

understandings especially of

> > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > >

Regards,> > > > > > > > Sourav > > > >> > > >

===================================================================> > > > > >

> >

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y

....> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > > >

> > > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > >> > > > > I think you are new

to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> > > > been

> > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows > what i am>

> > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > analysed> > >

> new

> > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.> > > > >> > > >

> You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> > > >

> varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh >

mind -> > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas

has been clearly explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > >

>> > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and

4th> > > > for

> > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls tell>

> > > me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

> chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava

whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > > flourish - where is this bhava

found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have

anymore doubts. > > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology

, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > ||

Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> > > > > > haven't

carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. He never

undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > > > always say in

this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > > event,

it will not happen even if indications are there in > the > > > > > > higher

divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > Parasara> > > > > > has

first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively> > > > defining

> > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why so > >

> > much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the >

same 4H> > > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles

happiness > and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to get all predictions

done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check,

you might be mislead. > The> > > > ideal> > > > > > is to mix and match both of

them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are

born > very> > > > close> > > > > > in time to each other and have completely

different > capabilities> > > > and> > > > > > personalities. You can read the

details that Guru > Narasimha-ji > > > > has> > > > > > posted in his website

www.vedicastrologer.com

. Kindly > read it> > > > > > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > >

> > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > > >

learning.> > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the >

same of> > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and

meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> > > >>

> >

> =====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now

you > have> > > > said> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not

for me.I have > not> > > > even > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on

how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to

master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> > > > > > say> > > > > > > combination of

Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there

is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main > why do> > > > you> > > > > >

> want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so > many > >

> > yogas> > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to >

all> > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will > we

see> > > > the> > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How

will > we > > > > see> > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10

th house > and 10th> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical

,what is 10th ''house'' and > lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology

, "Narasimha > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste

friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple

mails on > multiple> > > > > > lists. > > > > > > > These days I've been really

busy and cannot give a more> > > > detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not

actually be able to give any further > replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this

thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ

2 for Marktl,

> > > > > > Germany?> > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from

Greenwich it is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be

wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,> > > > please> > > > > > > change the

birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and

rectified > lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > and various divisions

by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it

is now Mars antardasa in Venus > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in

the> > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this

> > > > out.> > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > >

after> > > > > > the> > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same

holds for > other > > > > dasas.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been

observed that the Rashi chakra was not > given> > > > due

> > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided

on the > basis of > > > > > > varga -> > > > > > > > > which is derived from

Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this >

analysis - Pls> > > > > > make> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of > a> > >

> > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When

Panditji had questioned a similar > analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > >

> > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > know if>

> > > you> > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be >

judged> > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the >

sake > > > > of> > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

answer > is not> > > > any> > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of

charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart,

I'll choose > the > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24

for > education> > > > etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though

imperfect, it works > way> > > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart

alone.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads

to better > results,> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from

perfection. Perfection can come only when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is

understood correctly and used. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara

defined the matters seen in various > divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > >

physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > professional> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is

seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher> >

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > >

subject> > > > > > and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60,

which was given > so> > > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish

can be established as a> > > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we

master D-60.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

considering the> > > > vargas> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it mean>

> > > > > that> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other

than vargas) - to read > the> > > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > > > > >

> > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > > Division

> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So

which > is this> > > > > > main?> > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > >

> > is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the

vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If

you ask > me to> > > > > > pick> > > > > > > the most important divisional

chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen

in D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > > more> > > > > > > weightage than rasi

and navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > > > > > > vimsopaka

bala.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > Correct !

If we apply common sense, we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating> > > > > > > >

> with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon> > > > changes> > > > >

> its

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions

have > > > > different> > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,

chaturvimsamsa > and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries

rasi lagna > does> > > > not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

predictive> > > > principle is> > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > astrologers >

> > > of> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and

Satya Prakash ji too > advised> > > > them,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > >

of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most > > > > > > >

unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will

of > the God.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > >

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being

> > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover>

> > > the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a >

science is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. >

Neither I> > > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge

it.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is

no > need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is

well > placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied > in the >

> > > > > method> > > > > > > of three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue

that the eighth lord when > strong will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > >

problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the >

planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > > will give their

auspicious results - he states that > this> > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > to both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being

Vara lord and > in > > > > the> > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent > health>

> > > is> > > > > > > promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of

vaaresha > but> > > > also> > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the

weekday lord in a

> > > > muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it >

auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly

granted by classics. If > you> > > > have a> > > > > > > different view, I can

respect it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view

on the use of the > > > > arudha> > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > >

calculation of vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have

any view. I spent so much time > mulling> > > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's

vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > >

vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only>

> > > the> > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will

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> > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > >

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Dear Partha Garu,

 

That is why precisely i mentioned the following lines.

 

[WITHOUT TAKING ANY HEPL FROM ANY OTHER VARGAS

and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses]

 

Regards,

 

Pathak

 

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

> Dear Utpal

> I have given the answer to the puzzle of same navamsas for

marriage timing

> in other message.

> The answer to such puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa

shows "*KARMA"* to be

> experienced in this life.

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

> On 4/23/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

> > Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl.

read Much)

> > to it. if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so

much intrest

> > in judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to

other Varga

> > Charts.

> > You asked following things

> > > > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

> > > with

> > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

married at

> > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am

very

> > very curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any

help from

> > any other Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi,

how you

> > convincingly suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature

of Spouses

> > etc..

> > At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to

the

> > differences in the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9

then d10 or

> > D12 or D16 or D24 or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

> > For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar

field

> > (Cricket) but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits &

Talents were

> > not Identical. i don't have their birth detials but they may have

same d10

> > along with same rasi chart ofcourse.

> > pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of

every

> > body

> > Regards,

> > Utpal

> >

> > *Panditji <navagraha@g...>* wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

> >

> > What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

> >

> > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

> > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

not

> > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there

are

> > a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji

> > >

> > > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> > > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

> > > minutes.

> > >

> > > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can

have

> > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

> > >

> > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > > bhavas here.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of

months

> > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be

explained

> > > with

> > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

married at

> > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > > >

> > > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> > > the 'Importance' of

> > > > > Varga chart

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters.

how to

> > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10

for

> > > respect and

> > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> > > automatically brings

> > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to

see

> > > Vimshopak

> > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> > > justied only by

> > > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could

you

> > > kindly for the

> > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and

give a

> > > detailed

> > > > > interpretation.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> > > the

> > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> > > arguments once

> > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish

not to

> > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

> > > against ill

> > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > against

> > > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later

eras)

> > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

space

> > > but to

> > > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

relevant and

> > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in

the

> > > BPHS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > > (etc.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas

are of

> > > prime

> > > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra

Analysis

> > > **only

> > > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of

a

> > > sign, the

> > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities.

This is

> > > > > > significant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You again said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind

all

> > > your

> > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been

clearly

> > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble

of

> > > details

> > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue

for

> > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely

mistaken

> > > argument.

> > > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,

Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> > > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly

clubbed

> > > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as

bhavas

> > > and

> > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with

other

> > > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just

as

> > > rasi

> > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional

chart

> > > (called

> > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> > > onwards) will

> > > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above

conclusion:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> > > Navamamsa,

> > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the

12

> > > houses**

> > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > > vargas are

> > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

> > > popular of

> > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all

doubt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

> > > cannot

> > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> > > significances in

> > > > > > varga charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You stated:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

father

> > > and 4th

> > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

you

> > > pls

> > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a

division

> > > not a

> > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

matters,one

> > > has to

> > > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength

of

> > > planets

> > > > > > in Hora."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati,

Randhra,

> > > Dharma,

> > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> > > houses.

> > > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> > > one's own

> > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things

which

> > > I

> > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

should be

> > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in

each

> > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean

different

> > > things

> > > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

> > > 55218 by

> > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house

can

> > > mean what

> > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses

only.

> > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and

thus you

> > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H

as

> > > they dont

> > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds

of

> > > Hora

> > > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

> > > wealth and

> > > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed

in

> > > earning

> > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in

earning

> > > wealth

> > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign

the

> > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

Note that

> > > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

particular

> > > aspect

> > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career

Varga

> > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the

field of

> > > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > relationship

> > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

> > > field.

> > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> > > significance

> > > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and

show

> > > you

> > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely

is !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your

last

> > > argument.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > > benefic

> > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In

Rashi

> > > chakra

> > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not

have

> > > anymore

> > > > > > doubts."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the

context

> > > of

> > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will

see

> > > that he

> > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the

end he

> > > says

> > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> > > misleading. I

> > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt

> > > in the

> > > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> > > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> > > consider, if

> > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

(read

> > > ruled

> > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> > > definitely

> > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart,

thereby

> > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new

to

> > > this

> > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails.

You

> > > seem to

> > > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting

away

> > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in

understanding

> > > rather

> > > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings

especially of

> > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> > > vargas.It has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha

knows

> > > what i am

> > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

> > > analysed

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only

> > > against

> > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and

fresh

> > > mind -

> > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > > vimshopaka

> > > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

father

> > > and 4th

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

you

> > > pls tell

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

not a

> > > chart-

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has

to

> > > see the

> > > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets

> > > in

> > > > > > Hora.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore

doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav

Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi

chart.

> > > Infact he

> > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart

doesn't

> > > allow

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are

there in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS,

Maharshi

> > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

effectively

> > > > > > defining

> > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava

analysis.

> > > Why so

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances,

the

> > > same 4H

> > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles

happiness

> > > and so

> > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart

and

> > > then go

> > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be

mislead.

> > > The

> > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are

born

> > > very

> > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> > > capabilities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> > > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > posted in his website

www.vedicastrologer.com<http://www.vedicastrologer.com/>. Kindly

> > > read it

> > > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is

beneficial to

> > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

the

> > > same of

> > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

purpose of

> > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and

meant and

> > > not

> > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

imperfections.Now you

> > > have

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I

have

> > > not

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse

rashi

> > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on

one

> > > hand

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

other

> > > hand -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the

main

> > > why do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you

give so

> > > many

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining

to

> > > all

> > > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how

will

> > > we see

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How

will

> > > we

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th

house

> > > and 10th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house''

and

> > > lord

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails

on

> > > multiple

> > > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a

more

> > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any

further

> > > replies

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for

Marktl,

> > > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be

1:00,

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and

rectified

> > > lagna

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in

Venus

> > > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon

Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my

software

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for

pointing

> > > this

> > > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use

Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds

for

> > > other

> > > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was

not

> > > given

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on

the

> > > basis of

> > > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> > > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from

varga of

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> > > analysis on

> > > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased

to

> > > know if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY

position.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should

be

> > > judged

> > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology

for the

> > > sake

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

answer

> > > is not

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll

choose

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> > > education

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it

works

> > > way

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to

better

> > > results,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come

only when

> > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and

used.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> > > divisions

> > > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen

in D-

> > > 60.

> > > > > > Also

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets

a

> > > higher

> > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an

imperfect

> > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was

given

> > > so

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established

as a

> > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

considering the

> > > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean?

Doesn't

> > > it mean

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to

read

> > > the

> > > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > chakra?

> > > > > > Division

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So

which

> > > is this

> > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division -

then

> > > where

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the

vargas

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If

you ask

> > > me to

> > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-

60. As I

> > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60

and

> > > gave

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when

defining

> > > dasa

> > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> > > Vargas

> > > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only

the Moon

> > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions

have

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,

chaturvimsamsa

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi

lagna

> > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

predictive

> > > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > > astrologers

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji

too

> > > advised

> > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being

misguided.

> > > Most

> > > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will

of

> > > the God.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe

that "a

> > > whole

> > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a

generation is

> > > being

> > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to

fully

> > > discover

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

> > > science is

> > > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> > > Neither I

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is

no

> > > need to

> > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is

well

> > > placed

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also

applied

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> > > strong will

> > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when

the

> > > planets

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states

that

> > > this

> > > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara

lord and

> > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and

excellent

> > > health

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of

vaaresha

> > > but

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord

in a

> > > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> > > auspicious.

> > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by

classics. If

> > > you

> > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of

the

> > > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > > mulling

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat

kendra

> > > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come

to a

> > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> > > Benedict

> > > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion.

I

> > > used only

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional

clause.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will

understand

> > > this

> > > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding

with

> > > all.

> > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the

popes

> > > chart -

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish

scholar

> > > of

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > >

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I have been reading your kind mails.

Suppose two or more than two are born at almost the same time ,date ,place etc

,may be to different parents, how are we account for differences amongst them

astrologically.let alone the question of twins.?I wish some astrologer

explains.

Regards,

jagannathan.Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

 

Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl. read Much) to it.

if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest in

judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to other Varga Charts.

 

You asked following things

> > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am very very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any help from any other

Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

 

At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to the differences in

the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16 or D24

or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

 

For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar field (Cricket)

but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have same d10 along with same

rasi chart ofcourse.

 

pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of every body

 

 

Regards,

UtpalPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions ofdivisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

notfit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few

versions of rashi charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:> > Dear Panditji> > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> > Thus as you have said - there

can be possibility that twins can have > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha

and same dashamsha.> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and

dashamsha

> bhavas here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste,> > > > Sharmaji of this list had

given a chart of twins a couple of months> > back. Both have the same navamsha.

If twins case can be explained > with> > divisional charts, are you suggesting

that both will get married at> > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will

be identical ?> > > > ...> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>

wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > I

would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > following argument Appealed me and

convinced me about > the 'Importance' of> > > Varga chart> > > > > >

1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to> > >

diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that

d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for > respect and> > > work in , d12 for

parents and so on & so forth then it > automatically brings> > > the important

of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see > Vimshopak> > > bal,

Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be

most fittingly > justied only by> > > Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > >

regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha

Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Sourav>

> > > > > That was a brilliant mail.> > > I am especially interested in the

Trimsamsa sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > > benefit of the readers,

explain each individual term and give a > detailed> > > interpretation.> > >

best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury

<sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >

|| Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > >

Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS

which is relevent to your and my > arguments once> > > >

more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to> > > > write any

more in this subject as it is useless to argue > against ill> > > > formed

hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > >

> > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> >

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my

argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and

later eras)> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

space > but to> > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

relevant and> > > > important.Now

let us see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The

Creation> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary

Characters and Description> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding

Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen

Divisions of a Sign> > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects

of the Signs> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils

at Birth> > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > >

> C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > >

(etc.)> > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very

clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > > importance. Explanations are given for

Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > > after** defining in details all the

sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > > formulation of these vargas and the

presiding deities. This is> > > > significant.> > > > > > > > You again said:>

> > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all >

your > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly> >

> > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > > Are you

implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > details> > > > of vargas

and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of

planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> argument.> > > > I will tell you why.> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > >

> Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso

dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso

bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah

param ||> > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora,

Drekkana,> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> >

> > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the

words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> > > > together with other

vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas >

and > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other> > >

> vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi> > > >

also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > (called> > > >

D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) will> > > >

show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> > > > > > > > I will

give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > > > > > > BPHS

C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat

smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > >

in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that

Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to be analysed as

individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them i.e. the rasi

varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.> > > > > > > > 2. Your next

argument is trying to show that varga charts > cannot> > > > exist because it

becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances in> > > > varga charts.> > > >

> > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th

house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is

a division > not a> >

> > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > >

> see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets> > > >

in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje

bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

||> > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam

vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja,

Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya

are in order the names of the 12 > houses.> > > > Other things than these

should be understood according to > one's own> > > > intelligence. Now I will

try to tell you some new

things which > I> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"> > > > > > > >

Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> > > > understood

according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > > divisional chart

each house can potentially mean different > things> > > > depending on the

particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This responds to your

second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for

further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a particular Varga.

Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this is an exceptional

chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for the significance

for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this

particular chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like

Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H can mean

fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > > wealth or the

guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of things of

sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask

and assign the> > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

Note that> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular >

aspect> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > >

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > >

career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and > relationship> > >

> with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field.> > > > I

ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > significance > > > > of

each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you> > > > how

deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!> > > > > > > > 3. I

will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument.> > > > > > >

> You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose

lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found?

In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will

not have > anymore > > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in

BPHS is C.8.6 If you

see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you

will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In

the end he > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic >

Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if> > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

(read > ruled> > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is >

definitely> > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby >

> > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > >

> > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this> > >

> discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You > seem to> > > > be

too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > > > others. It's

best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather> > > > than jump up

and challange other's understandings especially of> > > > the learned and

experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >

Sourav > > > >> > > >

===================================================================> > > > > >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> Dear shri Saurav> > > > >> > > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > >>

> > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> >

> > been> > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows >

what i am> > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had >

analysed> > > > new> > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi

chart.> > > > >> > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before >

commenting.Every> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only > against> > > > varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with

caution and fresh > mind -> > > > > all your

doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > >> > > > > In

bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for> >

> > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls tell> > >

> me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a >

chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava

whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > > flourish

- where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > Ask

this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > > >> > > > >

Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > <sourav12@h...>

wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > >

Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> >

> > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > >

> > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > >

> always

say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > >

event, it will not happen even if indications are there in > the > > > > > >

higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > Parasara> > > > > >

has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively> > > > defining> >

> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why so > > >

> much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > >

>> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the > same 4H>

> > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to

get all predictions done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for

a secondary check, you might be mislead. > The> > > > ideal> > > > > > is to

mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful

example of twins who are born > very> > > > close> > > > > > in time to each

other and have completely different > capabilities> > > > and> > > > > >

personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha-ji > > > > has> >

> > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly > read it> > > >

> > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > I like to see many

schools of thought. It is beneficial to >

> > > learning.> > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

the > same of> > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

purpose of> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I

wrote and meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my

Guru.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> >

> >> > > >

=====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very

right in pointing the imperfections.Now you > have> > > > said> > > > > > >

Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not> > > > even > > >

> > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > >

> > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> >

> > > > say> > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

other > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is

not the main > why do> > > > you> > > > > > > want to use them in

combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why

do you give so > many > > > > yogas> > > > > > > in your software based on

Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all> > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just

for physique - how will > we see> > > > the> > > > > > > qualities of

Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > > see> > > > > > >

Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and 10th> > > > > >

lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and >

lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > >

<pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more> > > >

detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further >

replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,> > > >

> > Germany?> > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it

is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the

timezone should be 1:00,> > > > please> > > > > > > change the birthtime to

6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did

not know the time and rectified > lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > >

and various divisions by retro-fitting.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You

wrote:> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus >

mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > Please

check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in the> > > > > > >

second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this > > > > out.> >

> > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Technically, BTW,

whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > > after> > > > > > the> > > > > > >

age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other > > > > dasas.> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

> given> > > > due> > > > > > > respect> > > > >

> > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > basis of > > > > > >

varga -> > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > analysis - Pls> >

> > > > make> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce

results from varga of > a> > > > > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When

Panditji had questioned a similar > analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > >

> > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -> >

> > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I

would be pleased to > know if> > > > you> > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > >

different position. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked,

I will clarify MY position.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection,

multiple divisional charts should be > judged> > > > > > > together. We are

often doing imperfect astrology for the > sake > > > > of> > > > > > >

simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer > is not> > > > any> > >

> > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose > the > >

> > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for > education> > > >

etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works > way>

> > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better > results,> > > > it>

> > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only

when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various >

divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > physical matters in rasi,

financial matters in D-2,> > > > professional> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he

said that "everything" is seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> > > > > > in> > > > > >

> vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am

fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > > subject> > > > > >

and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given > so>

> > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a>

> > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we master D-60.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering

the> > > > vargas> > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > make good

predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it mean> > > > > > that> > > > > > >

there> > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read > the>

> > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place?

Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > > Division> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > >

meaning should have a main to get divided.So which > is this> > > > > > main?>

> > > > > > If we>

> > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > >

> is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > main?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a

divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > >

to Parasara.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and

secondary. If you ask > me to> > > > > > pick> > > > > > > the most important

divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I> > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above,

Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > >

more> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > >

> > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > >

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating>

> > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon> > > >

changes> > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly

repeat. Different divisions have > > > > different> > > > > > > patterns. The

navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa > and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa

combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > does> > > >

not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive> > > > principle is>

> > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude.

Veteran > astrologers > > > > of> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group

like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too > advised> > > > them,> > > > > > >

but> > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most

> > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it

is the will of > the God.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > >

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being> > > >

> > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover> > > >

the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a > science

is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. > Neither I>

> > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no >

need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided generations.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well >

placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > > > then longevity

will be long - This is also applied > in the > > > > > > method> > > > > > > of

three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when > strong

will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara

states in Prasna Marga, that when the > planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong

they> > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that >

this> > > > > > applies> > > > > >

> to both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

> in > > > > the> > > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > > > means the

digestive fire is excellent and excellent > health> > > > is> > > > > > >

promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha > but> > > > also> >

> > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a> > > >

muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it >

auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly

granted by

classics. If > you> > > > have a> > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of

the > > > > arudha> > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > calculation of

vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I

spent so much time > mulling> > > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa

clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah

sudheemataa", but could not come to a> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > When I wrote that Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not use

the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only> > > > the> > > > > > > standard

definition and ignoring the additional clause.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > this > > > > > >

clause> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with >

all.> > > > For> > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart - > > > > good> > > >

> > > rectification.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > > your>

> > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my > rectification. > > >

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This point will never strike them, never i mean till the day they realise their folly.

We should give charts of twins to our great intellectuals and ask them when the

first one got married and when the second one. predict their profession and

experiences without using "ANY OTHER DIVISIONAL CHART".

 

best wishes

partha

 

On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Partha Garu,That is why precisely i mentioned the following lines.[WITHOUT

TAKING ANY HEPL FROM ANY OTHER VARGAS

and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincinglysuggest to

find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses]Regards,Pathak

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy<partvinu@g...> wrote:> Dear

Utpal> I have given the answer to the puzzle of same navamsas formarriage

timing> in other message.> The answer to such puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa

shows "*KARMA"* to be> experienced in this life.> best wishes> partha>>> On

4/23/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep

ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

> > Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl.read Much)> >

to it. if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with somuch intrest> >

in judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to

other Varga> > Charts.> > You asked following things> > > > Both have the same

navamsha. If twins case can be explained> > > with> > > > divisional charts,

are you suggesting that both will get

married at> > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?>

> I am really surprised about your question at the same time I amvery> > very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any

help from> > any other Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi,how

you> > convincingly suggest to find out the marriage timing and natureof

Spouses> > etc..> > At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in

to

the> > differences in the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9then d10

or> > D12 or D16 or D24 or D30 OR Shatyamsa.> > For Example: - Mark Waugh &

Steve Waugh had Career in Similar

field> > (Cricket) but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits &Talents

were> > not Identical. i don't have their birth detials but they may havesame

d10> > along with same rasi chart ofcourse.

> > pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit ofevery> >

body> > Regards,> > Utpal> >> > *Panditji <navagraha@g...>* wrote:> >

> > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)> >> > What if the twins

have same navansha or saptamsha ?> >> > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc

parampara has many versions of

> > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data doesnot> > fit,

try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are thereare> > a few

versions of rashi charts as well ?

> >> > ...> >> > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:>

> >> > > Dear Panditji> > >> > > Medical science says average time gap between

twins are 15-17

> > > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30> > >

minutes.> > >> > > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins

canhave

> > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.> > >> > > Can

anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha> > > bhavas here.> >

>

> > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > >> > > vedic astrology,

Panditji<navagraha@g...>> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins

a couple ofmonths> > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can

be

explained> > > with> > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will

getmarried at> > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be

identical ?> > > >

> > > > ...> > > >> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> >

> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > >> > > > > following argument

Appealed me and convinced me about> > > the 'Importance' of> > > > > Varga

chart

> > > > >> > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters.how

to> > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)> > > > >

> > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10for> > >

respect and> > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it> >

> automatically brings

> > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool tosee> > >

Vimshopak> > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > >> > > > > 3) Major

difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> > > justied only by> > > > > Difference in Varga charts.> > > > >> > > > >

regards,> > > > >> > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav

> > > > >> > > > > That was a brilliant mail.> > > > > I am especially

interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Couldyou> > > kindly for the> > > > >

benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and

give a> > > detailed> > > > > interpretation.> > > > > best wishes> > > > >

partha> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > Namaskar. As per your

request, I have reread> > > the> > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is

relevent to your and my

> > > arguments once> > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this

reply. I wishnot to> > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless

to argue

> > > against ill> > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.>

> > > > >> > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > >

> > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before> > >

commenting.Every> > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only> > > against

> > > > > > varga ''charts''."> > > > > >> > > > > > My argument: I will only

use BPHS in my argument.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the

rishis of his era and later

eras)> > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so savespace> >

> but to> > > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is veryrelevant

and

> > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters inthe> > >

BPHS.> > > > > >> > > > > > C.1 - The Creation> > > > > > C.2 - Great

Incarnations of the Lord> > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description>

> > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a

Sign> > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the

Signs> > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > > > C.11- Evils

at Birth> > > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil> > > > > > C.13- Judgement of

Houses> > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > > > C.15- Effects of

the 2nd House> > > > > > (etc.)> > > > > >

> > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargasare of> > >

prime> > > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi ChakraAnalysis

> > > **only> > > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions

ofa> > > sign, the> > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding

deities.

This is> > > > > > significant.> > > > > >> > > > > > You again said:> > > > >

>> > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind

all> > > your> > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has

beenclearly> > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the troubleof> > >

details> > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a cluefor> >

> > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely

mistaken> > > argument.> > > > > > I will tell you why.> > > > > >> > > > > >

BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > >> > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah

saptamamsaka |

> > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||> > > > > > Vimsamso

vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah

sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > > >> > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,>

> > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,> > >

Trimsamsa,> > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearlyclubbed> > > > >

> together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's asbhavas> > > and

> > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same withother> > >

> > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac justas> > > rasi> >

> > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional

chart> > > (called> > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from

C.13> > > onwards) will> > > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be

analysed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the

aboveconclusion:> > > > > >> > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > > >> > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||> > >

> > >> > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> > > Navamamsa,> > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like

the12> > > houses**> > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > > >> > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16>

> > vargas are> > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the

most

> > > popular of> > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges

alldoubt.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that

varga charts

> > > cannot> > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava> > >

significances in> > > > > > varga charts.> > > > > >

> > > > > > You stated:> > > > > >> > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara

advises 9th house forfather> > > and 4th> > > > > > for mother - This is for

rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

you> > > pls> > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is

adivision> > > not a> > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd

house

matters,one> > > has to> > > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains

the strengthof> > > planets> > > > > > in Hora."> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > >> > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje

bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah

kramat ||

> > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > > >

Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||> > > > > >> > > > > > "

Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati,

Randhra,> > > Dharma,> > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names

of the 12> > > houses.> > > > > > Other things than these should be understood

according to

> > > one's own> > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new

thingswhich> > > I> > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > >> > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than theseshould

be> > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in

each> > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially meandifferent> > >

things> > > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!> > > >

> >

> > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #> > > 55218

by> > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what housecan> > >

mean what

> > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two housesonly.> > >

> > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense andthus you> > > > > >

cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H

as> > > they dont> > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other

kindsof> > > Hora> > > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha

regarding

> > > wealth and> > > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma

followedin> > > earning> > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence)

received in

earning> > > wealth> > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.> > > > > >> > > > >

> As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign

the> > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.Note that> >

> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in theparticular> > > aspect

> > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a careerVarga> > > >

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in thefield of> > > > > >

career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > relationship> > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the

career> > > field.> > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive

the

> > > significance> > > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you

immensely andshow> > > you> > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of

Maharsi truely

is !!> > > > > >> > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering

yourlast> > > argument.> > > > > >> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > >> > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in>

> > benefic> > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In

Rashi> > > chakra> > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will

nothave> > > anymore> > > > > > doubts."> > > > > >

> > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see thecontext> > >

of> > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you willsee

> > > that he> > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In

theend he> > > says> > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the

statement is

> > > misleading. I> > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There

is nodoubt> > > in the> > > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a

malefic

> > > Sashtiamsa" This> > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional

chart you> > > consider, if> > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a

bad Sashtiamsa

(read> > > ruled> > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart

is> > > definitely> > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi

chart,

thereby> > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hope

this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am newto> > > this

> > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails.You> > > seem

to> > > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shuttingaway

> > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self inunderstanding> > >

rather> > > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandingsespecially

of

> > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > >> > >

> > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >> > > > >> >

>===================================================================> > > > >

>> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y

....> wrote:> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You can address me

without a ji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of

discussion on

> > > vargas.It has> > > > > > been> > > > > > > going on since long.More than a

year.Shri Narasimhaknows> > > what i am> > > > > > > saying.Also this thread

started when shri Narasimha had> > > analysed> > > > > > new> > > > > > > popes

chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before> > >

commenting.Every> > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i

amonly

> > > against> > > > > > varga> > > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those

chapters with caution andfresh> > > mind -> > > > > > > all your doubts will be

cleared.

> > > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read> > >

vimshopaka> > > > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In bhava

analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

father> > > and 4th> > > > > > for> > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi

chakra not for vargas. Canyou> > > pls tell> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a divisionnot a> > >

chart-> > > > > > so> > > > > > > are other vargas.After

seeing 2nd house matters,one hasto> > > see the> > > > > > > planets Hora

placement.BPHS explains the strength ofplanets> > > in> > > > > > Hora.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic>

> > shstyamsha will> > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

chakra or

> > > > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not

have anymoredoubts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology

, "SouravChowdhury"> > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill

founded and you> > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's

comments.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse

rasichart.> > > Infact he> > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if

Rasi chart

doesn't> > > allow> > > > > > an> > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even

if indications arethere in> > > the> > > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If

you have read BPHS,

Maharshi> > > Parasara> > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs

(i.e.effectively> > > > > > defining> > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then

went on into bhava

analysis.> > > Why so> > > > > > much> > > > > > > > importance to varga charts

by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses

have so many significances,

the> > > same 4H> > > > > > shows> > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house,

heart, vehicleshappiness> > > and so> > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chartand> > >

then go> > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be

mislead.> > > The> > > > > > ideal> > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of

them.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins

who are

born> > > very> > > > > > close> > > > > > > > in time to each other and have

completely different> > > capabilities> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru> > >

Narasimha-ji> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > posted in his website

www.vedicastrologer.com<http://www.vedicastrologer.com/>. Kindly> > > read it> >

> > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It

isbeneficial to> > > > > > learning.> > > > > > > > But when arguments are made

to a Guru's remark for

the> > > same of> > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for

thepurpose of> > > > > > learning.> > > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based

on what I wrote and

meant and> > > not> > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >

>=====================================================================

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing theimperfections.Now you> > >

have> > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not

for me.Ihave> > > not> > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the

basics on how to analyserashi> > > chakra> > > > > > > > > properly.It will

take many years to master.Also onone> > > hand> > > > > > you> > > > > > > >

say> > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

other> > > hand -> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi

chakra is not themain> > > why do> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > > > >

Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do yougive so> > > many

> > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra -

pertainingto> > > all> > > > > > > > > aspects.If

Rashi chakra is just for physique - howwill> > > we see> > > > > > the> > > > >

> > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? Howwill

> > > we> > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for

learning.If 10 thhouse> > > and 10th> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house''and> > >

lord> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > >

Pradeep> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha> > > P.V.R.

Rao"> > > > > > > > > <

pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails

on> > > multiple> > > > > > > > lists.> > > > > > > > > These days I've been

really busy and cannot give amore> > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give anyfurther> > >

replies> > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2

forMarktl,> > > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is

in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the

timezone should be

1:00,> > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to

5:33:40 am.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know

the time and

rectified> > > lagna> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > > > and

various divisions by retro-fitting.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now

Mars antardasa inVenus> > > mahadasa!> > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is

Sat Mahadasa and Moon

Antardasa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There

is a bug in mysoftware> > > in the> > > > > > > > > second cycle of

Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for

pointing> > > this> > > > > > out.> > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use

Shashtihayani dasa> > > > > > after> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > age of

60 has passed is debatable. The same holdsfor> > > other

> > > > > > dasas.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed

that the Rashi chakra wasnot> > > given

> > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > > > during your

analysis.Results were decided onthe> > > basis of

> > > > > > > > varga -> > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi

chakra.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are

observing this

> > > analysis - Pls> > > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > >

> clear is it possible to deduce results from

varga of> > > a> > > > > > > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > > > alone.When

Panditji had questioned a similar> > > analysis on

> > > > > > > > > saptamsha -> > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani

Sarkar rushing in and> > > > > > correcting -> > > > > > > > > > > Significance

of Rashi chakra.I would be pleasedto> > > know if> > > > > > you> > > > > > > >

> hold a> > > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will

clarify MYposition.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts shouldbe> > >

judged> > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology

for the> > > sake> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one

chart. The bestanswer> > > is not> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll

choose> > > the> > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24

for> > > education> > > > > > etc)> > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart.

Though imperfect, it

works> > > way> > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads

to

better> > > results,> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > still away

from perfection. Perfection can comeonly when

> > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly andused.> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> > > divisions> > > > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi,

financial matters in D-2,> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seenin D-> > >

60.> > > > > > Also> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 getsa> > >

higher> > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is

animperfect> > > > > > subject> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which wasgiven> > >

so> > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be

established

as a> > > > > > science> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > when we master

D-60.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is notconsidering the> > > >

> > vargas> > > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > > > make good

predictions.What does this mean?Doesn't> > > it mean> > > > > > > > that> > > >

> > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) -

to

read> > > the> > > > > > > > results?> > > > > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > > >

> is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > chakra?> > > > > > Division> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > meaning

should have a main to get divided.So

which> > > is this> > > > > > > > main?> > > > > > > > > If we> > > > > > > > >

> > consider Rashi chakra as the first division -

then> > > where> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > main?> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of thevargas> > >

> > > > > according> > > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and

secondary. Ifyou ask> > > me to> > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I> > >

> > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen

in D-60

and> > > gave> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > weightage than

rasi and navamsa combined, whendefining

> > > dasa> > > > > > varga> > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see> > >

Vargas> > > > > > repeating> > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few

hours before. Only

the Moon> > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions

have> > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa,

vimsamsa,chaturvimsamsa> > > and> > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I

identified in Aries rasi

lagna> > > does> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus

rasi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone

of any

predictive> > > > > > principle is> > > > > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > > > >

predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > > astrologers> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > > >

Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji

too> > > advised> > > > > > them,> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > of

no avail. A whole generation is being

misguided.> > > Most> > > > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > > > But

then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the willof> > > the God.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to

believethat "a> > > whole> > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided".

Whether a

generation is> > > being> > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct

direction tofully> > > discover> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > teachings of

maharshis and establish astrology as a

> > > science is> > > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will

judge.> > > Neither I> > > > > > nor> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is

no> > > need to> > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > about misguided generations.> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord

is

well> > > placed> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > > > >

> then longevity will be long - This is also

applied> > > in the> > > > > > > > method> > > > > > > > > of three> > > > > > >

> > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> > > strong will> > > > > > > > cause> > > > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > >

> > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when

the> > > planets> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > > >

> will give their auspicious results - he states

that> > > this> > > > > > > > applies> > > > > > > > > to both> > > > > > > > >

> > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara

lord and> > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > >

> > > means the digestive fire is excellent and

excellent> > > health> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > promised. This> > > > > > >

> > > > is not the problem.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement ofvaaresha> > >

but> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the

weekday lord

in a> > > > > > muhurta> > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not

consider it> > > auspicious.> > > > > > This is> > > > > > > > > just my view

and not explicitly granted by

classics. If> > > you> > > > > > have a> > > > > > > > > different view, I can

respect it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your

current view on the use of

the> > > > > > arudha> > > > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > > >

calculation of vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope> > >

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You are a Nadi expert, what are the Nadiamsas and ardha nadiamsas there for??

May be realising this our Great Rishis like Bhrigu, Suka et al have compiled the Nadi granthas.

best wishes

partha

 

On 4/23/05, kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sir,

I have been reading your kind mails.

Suppose two or more than two are born at almost the same time ,date ,place etc

,may be to different parents, how are we account for differences amongst them

astrologically.let alone the question of twins.?I wish some astrologer

explains.

Regards,

jagannathan.Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

 

Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl. read Much) to it.

if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest in

judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to other Varga Charts.

 

You asked following things

> > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

 

I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am very very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any help from any other

Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

 

At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to the differences in

the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16 or D24

or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

 

For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar field (Cricket)

but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have same d10 along with same

rasi chart ofcourse.

 

pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of every body

 

 

Regards,

UtpalPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions of

divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does notfit, try the

different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few versions of rashi

charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <

vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:> > Dear Panditji> > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> > Thus as you have said - there

can be possibility that twins can have > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha

and same dashamsha.

> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha > bhavas

here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> >

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste,>

> > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of months> >

back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?> > > > ...> > > > On

4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <

vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha &

Philosophy,> > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > following

argument Appealed me and convinced me about > the 'Importance' of> > > Varga

chart> > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how

to> > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for >

respect and> > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it >

automatically brings

> > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see >

Vimshopak> > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major difference in

lives of Twins can be most fittingly > justied only by> > > Difference in Varga

charts.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Sourav> > > > > >

That was a brilliant mail.> > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa

sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > > benefit of the readers, explain each

individual term and give a > detailed> > > interpretation.> > > best wishes> >

> partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...>

wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > || Om Gurave

Namah ||

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > Namaskar. As per your

request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to

your and my > arguments once> > > > more so that I am confident in giving this

reply. I wish not to> > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to

argue > against ill> > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. >

> > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my

mails before > commenting.Every> > > > varga defined by sage parashara is

important - i am only > against> > > > varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My

argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi

Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space > but to>

> > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and> > > >

important.Now

let us see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The

Creation> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary

Characters and Description

> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions > > > >

C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign> > > >

C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > > > C.10-

Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils at Birth> > > > C.12-

Antidotes for Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > > > C.14- Effects of

the 1st House> > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > > (etc.)> > > > > > >

> From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > >

importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > >

after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > >

formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > > > significant.> > > > > > > > You again said:> > > > > > > > "If you read

those chapters with caution and fresh mind all > your > > > > doubts will be

cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly> > > > explained.Read

vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went

into all the trouble of > details> > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to

give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely

mistaken > argument.> > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha

dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah

shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > >

khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||> > > > > > > > "These

vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > > >

Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> > > >

Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> >

> > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas > and > > >

> perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi> > >

> also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > (called> > > >

D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) will> > > >

show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> > > > > > > > I will

give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > > > > > > BPHS

C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat

smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > >

Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to

be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them

i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts >

cannot> > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances

in> > > > varga charts.

> > > > > > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara

advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is for rashi

chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses

in Hora?Hora is a division > not a> > > > chart- so are other vargas.After

seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > > > see the planets Hora

placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets> > > > in Hora." > > > > > >

> > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha

|

> > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||> > > >

Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami

yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu,

Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in

order the names of the 12 > houses.

> > > > Other things than these should be understood according to > one's own> >

> > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which > I> > > >

heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> >

> > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > >

divisional chart each house can potentially mean different > things> > > >

depending on the particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This

responds to your second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru

Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a

particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this

is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for

the significance for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this particular

chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H

can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding

wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > > wealth or the guidence (or

mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that> > > >

Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular > aspect> > > > of

life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > > > > chakra and

La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > > career. 9H here will

show the nature of guidence and > relationship> > > > with the guide (read

'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field.> > > > I ask you to exercise your

intelligence and derive the > significance > > > > of each divisional chart. It

will help you immensely and show > you> > > > how deep the above quoted

statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> > > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last >

argument.> > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in']

shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish

- where is this bhava found? In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this

last question and you will not have > anymore

> > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you

see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you

will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the

end he > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is >

misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic >

Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if

> > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read > ruled> >

> > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is > definitely> > > >

going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby > > > > indicating

any divisional chart.> > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't

matter if I am new to > this> > > > discussion. I need not read all your

previous e-mails. You > seem to> > > > be too attached to your own line of

thinking and shutting away > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self

in understanding > rather> > > > than jump up and challange other's

understandings especially of

> > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > >

Regards,> > > > > > > > Sourav > > > >> > > >

===================================================================> > > > > >

> >

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y

....> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > > >

> > > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > >> > > > > I think you are new

to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> > > > been

> > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows > what i am>

> > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > analysed> > >

> new

> > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.> > > > >> > > >

> You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> > > >

> varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh >

mind -> > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas

has been clearly explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > >

>> > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and

4th> > > > for

> > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls tell>

> > > me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

> chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava

whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > > flourish - where is this bhava

found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have

anymore doubts. > > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology

, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > ||

Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> > > > > > haven't

carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. He never

undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > > > always say in

this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > > event,

it will not happen even if indications are there in > the > > > > > > higher

divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > Parasara> > > > > > has

first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively> > > > defining

> > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why so > >

> > much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the >

same 4H> > > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles

happiness > and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to get all predictions

done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check,

you might be mislead. > The> > > > ideal> > > > > > is to mix and match both of

them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are

born > very> > > > close> > > > > > in time to each other and have completely

different > capabilities> > > > and> > > > > > personalities. You can read the

details that Guru > Narasimha-ji > > > > has> > > > > > posted in his website

www.vedicastrologer.com

. Kindly > read it> > > > > > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > >

> > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > > >

learning.> > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the >

same of> > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and

meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> > > >>

> >

> =====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now

you > have> > > > said> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not

for me.I have > not> > > > even > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on

how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to

master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> > > > > > say> > > > > > > combination of

Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there

is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main > why do> > > > you> > > > > >

> want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so > many > >

> > yogas> > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to >

all> > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will > we

see> > > > the> > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How

will > we > > > > see> > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10

th house > and 10th> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical

,what is 10th ''house'' and > lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology

, "Narasimha > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste

friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple

mails on > multiple> > > > > > lists. > > > > > > > These days I've been really

busy and cannot give a more> > > > detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not

actually be able to give any further > replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this

thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ

2 for Marktl,

> > > > > > Germany?> > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from

Greenwich it is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be

wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,> > > > please> > > > > > > change the

birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and

rectified > lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > and various divisions

by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it

is now Mars antardasa in Venus > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in

the> > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this

> > > > out.> > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > >

after> > > > > > the> > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same

holds for > other > > > > dasas.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been

observed that the Rashi chakra was not > given> > > > due

> > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided

on the > basis of > > > > > > varga -> > > > > > > > > which is derived from

Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this >

analysis - Pls> > > > > > make> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of > a> > >

> > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When

Panditji had questioned a similar > analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > >

> > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > know if>

> > > you> > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be >

judged> > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the >

sake > > > > of> > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

answer > is not> > > > any> > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of

charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart,

I'll choose > the > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24

for > education> > > > etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though

imperfect, it works > way> > > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart

alone.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads

to better > results,> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from

perfection. Perfection can come only when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is

understood correctly and used. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara

defined the matters seen in various > divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > >

physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > professional> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is

seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher> >

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > >

subject> > > > > > and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60,

which was given > so> > > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish

can be established as a> > > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we

master D-60.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

considering the> > > > vargas> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it mean>

> > > > > that> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other

than vargas) - to read > the> > > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > > > > >

> > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > > Division

> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So

which > is this> > > > > > main?> > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > >

> > is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the

vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If

you ask > me to> > > > > > pick> > > > > > > the most important divisional

chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen

in D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > > more> > > > > > > weightage than rasi

and navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > > > > > > vimsopaka

bala.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > Correct !

If we apply common sense, we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating> > > > > > > >

> with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon> > > > changes> > > > >

> its

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions

have > > > > different> > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,

chaturvimsamsa > and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries

rasi lagna > does> > > > not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

predictive> > > > principle is> > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > astrologers >

> > > of> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and

Satya Prakash ji too > advised> > > > them,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > >

of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most > > > > > > >

unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will

of > the God.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > >

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being

> > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover>

> > > the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a >

science is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. >

Neither I> > > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge

it.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is

no > need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is

well > placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied > in the >

> > > > > method> > > > > > > of three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue

that the eighth lord when > strong will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > >

problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the >

planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > > will give their

auspicious results - he states that > this> > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > to both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being

Vara lord and > in > > > > the> > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent > health>

> > > is> > > > > > > promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of

vaaresha > but> > > > also> > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the

weekday lord in a

> > > > muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it >

auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly

granted by classics. If > you> > > > have a> > > > > > > different view, I can

respect it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view

on the use of the > > > > arudha> > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > >

calculation of vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have

any view. I spent so much time > mulling> > > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's

vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > >

vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only>

> > > the> > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will

understand > this > > > > > > clause> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will

share my understanding with > all.> > > > For> > > > > > > now, I have no

view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for

the popes > chart - > > > > good> > > > > > > rectification.> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > >

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Regards,

jagannathan.Partha Sarathy <partvinu > wrote:

Dear Sir

 

You are a Nadi expert, what are the Nadiamsas and ardha nadiamsas there for??

May be realising this our Great Rishis like Bhrigu, Suka et al have compiled the Nadi granthas.

best wishes

partha

 

On 4/23/05, kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sir,

I have been reading your kind mails.

Suppose two or more than two are born at almost the same time ,date ,place etc

,may be to different parents, how are we account for differences amongst them

astrologically.let alone the question of twins.?I wish some astrologer

explains.

Regards,

jagannathan.Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

 

Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl. read Much) to it.

if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest in

judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to other Varga Charts.

 

You asked following things

> > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am very very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any help from any other

Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

 

At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to the differences in

the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16 or D24

or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

 

For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar field (Cricket)

but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have same d10 along with same

rasi chart ofcourse.

 

pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of every body

 

 

Regards,

UtpalPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions of divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

notfit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few

versions of rashi charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <

vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:> > Dear Panditji> > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> > Thus as you have said - there

can be possibility that twins can have > same hora,same drekkana,same

saptamsha and same dashamsha. > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha

bhavas and dashamsha > bhavas here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> >

Namaste,> > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of

months> > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained >

with> > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> >

the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?> > > > ...> > > >

On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak < vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > All respected

Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > >

> I would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > following argument Appealed me

and convinced me about > the 'Importance' of> > > Varga chart> > > > > > 1)

Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to> > >

diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology) > > > > > > 2) If rishi says that

d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for > respect and> > > work in , d12 for

parents and so on & so forth then it > automatically brings > > > the important

of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see > Vimshopak> > > bal,

Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be

most fittingly > justied only by> > > Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > >

regards,> > >

> > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Sourav> > > > > > That was a brilliant mail.>

> > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you > kindly for

the> > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a >

detailed> > > interpretation.> > > best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > >

> > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > > > Dear

Pradeep-ji,> > >

> Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread > the > > > >

postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my > arguments once> > > >

more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to> > > > write

any more in this subject as it is useless to argue > against ill> > > > formed

hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > >

> > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> >

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my

argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi

Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras) > > > > wrote in clear,

unequivocal but also pithy form so save space > but to> > > > deliver the

message clearly. So each word is very relevant and> > > > important.Now let us

see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The

Creation> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary

Characters and Description > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding

Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen

Divisions of a Sign> > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects

of the Signs> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils

at Birth> > > > C.12- Antidotes for

Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House> >

> > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > > (etc.)> > > > > > > > From the scheme

of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > > importance.

Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > > after**

defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > >

formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is > > > >

significant.> > > > > > > > You again said:> > > > > > > > "If you read those

chapters with caution and fresh mind all > your > > > > doubts will be cleared.

How to analyse Vargas has been clearly> > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength

in BPHS."> >

> > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of >

details> > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > >

> Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken > argument.> > > >

I will tell you why. > > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora

cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah

shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > >

khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||> > > > > > > > "These

vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana, > > > > Chaturthamsa,

Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa, > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa,

Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, >

Trimsamsa,> > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa." > > > > > > > > Rasi

(see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> > > > together with

other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas > and > > > > perform bhava

analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other > > > > vargas which are only

higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi> > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart

is definitely a divisional chart > (called> > > > D-1) and the way it is going

to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) will> > > > show us the way other varga

charts should be analysed.> > > > > > > > I will give you one more indication

of the above conclusion:> > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > >

Trimsamsake

vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives

clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas

chakras will be studies **like the 12 > houses**> > > > in the birth chart

(rasi chakra).> > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that

all 16 > vargas are > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the

most > popular of> > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges

all doubt.> > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga

charts > cannot> > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava >

significances in> > > > varga charts. > > > > > > > > You stated:> > > > > > >

> "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > >

for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls > > > >

tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division > not a> > > >

chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > > >

see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets> > > >

in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje

bandhuputrarayastatha | > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

||> > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam

vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja,

Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati,

Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the

12 > houses. > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> one's own> > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things

which > I> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma" > > > > > > > >

Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> > > > understood

according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > > divisional chart

each house can potentially mean different > things> > > > depending on the

particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This responds to your

second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for

further understanding what house can > mean what > > >

> in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact

this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really

ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this

particular chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like

Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H can mean

fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > > wealth or the

guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of things of

sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask

and assign the > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

Note that> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular >

aspect> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > >

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > >

career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and > relationship> > > > with

the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field.> > > > I ask you

to exercise your intelligence and derive the > significance > > > > of each

divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you> > > > how deep the

above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !! > > > > > > > > 3. I will end my

prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument.> > > > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in >

benefic> > > > shstyamsha

willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi > chakra> > > > or

shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have > anymore > > > >

doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the

context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will

see > that he> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end

he > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is >

misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic >

Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad

Sashtiamsa (read > ruled> > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga

chart is > definitely> > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi

chart, thereby > > > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > > > > > > Hope

this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this> > > >

discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You > seem to> > > > be

too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > > > others.

It's best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather> > > > than jump

up and challange other's understandings especially of > > > > the learned and

experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >

Sourav > > > >> >

> > ===================================================================> > > > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > > > >

> > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > >> > > > > I think you are new

to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> > > > been> > > > > going on

since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows > what i am> > > > >

saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had > analysed> > > > new >

> > > > popes chart without giving importance

to Rashi chart.> > > > >> > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails

before > commenting.Every> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important

- i am only > against> > > > varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those

chapters with caution and fresh > mind -> > > > > all your doubts will be

cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read >

vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > >> > > > > In bhava analysis -

Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for > > > > > mother -

This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls tell> > > > me > > > > >

what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a > chart->

> > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to >

see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets >

in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In

Rashi chakra or > > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > Ask this last question and you

will not have anymore doubts. > > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology , "Sourav

Chowdhury"> > > > >

<sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > >

>> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill

founded and you> > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. >

Infact he> > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't

> allow> > > > an> > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are

there in > the > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS,

Maharshi > Parasara> > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

effectively> > > > defining > >

> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why so > > > >

much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > > >> >

> > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the > same 4H> > > >

shows> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness > and

so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart

and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be

mislead. > The> > > > ideal> > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.> > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born > very>

> > > close> > >

> > > in time to each other and have completely different > capabilities> > > >

and> > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha-ji

> > > > has> > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly >

read it> > > > > > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > I like

to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to > > > > learning.> > > > > >

But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the > same of> > > > > >

argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of > > > > learning.> >

> > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I

wrote and meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my

Guru.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> >

> >> > > >

=====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very right in

pointing the imperfections.Now you

> have> > > > said> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for

me.I have > not> > > > even > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how

to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to

master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> > > > > > say> > > > > > > combination of

Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there

is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main > why do> > > > you> > > > > >

> want to use them in combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > > Also if Rashi

chakra is not the main why do you give so > many > > > > yogas> > > > > > > in

your

software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all> > > > > > > aspects.If

Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will > we see> > > > the> > > > > > >

qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > > see> > >

> > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and 10th> > > >

> > lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and >

lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology , "Narasimha > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > >

<pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more> > > >

detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further >

replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl, > > > > > > Germany?> > > >

> > > At 12

degrees> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,> > > >

please> > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified >

lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > and various divisions by

retro-fitting. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > >

Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > >

Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software >

in the> > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing >

this > > > > out.> > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > > after> > > > > >

the> > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other >

> > > dasas.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi

chakra was not > given> > > > due > > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > during

your analysis.Results were decided

on the > basis of > > > > > > varga -> > > > > > > > > which is derived from

Rashi chakra. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are

observing this > analysis - Pls> > > > > > make> > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >

> clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of > a> > > > > > >

planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar >

analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > > One could find

Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting - > > > > > > > > >

Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > know if> > > >

you> > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be >

judged> > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the >

sake > > > > of> > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

answer > is not> > > > any> > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of

charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart,

I'll choose > the > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for

career, D-24 for > education> > > > etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi

chart. Though imperfect, it works > way> > > > better> > > > > > > for me than

rasi chart alone.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > While combining rasi with

divisions leads to better > results,> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > still

away from perfection. Perfection can come only when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa

(D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When

Parasara defined the matters seen in various > divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > >

> > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2, > > > >

professional> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in

D-> 60. > > > > Also> > > > > > in> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of

dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher> > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa

combined!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish

is an imperfect > > > > subject> > > > > > and> > > > > > > just an art as long

as one ignores D-60, which was given > so> > > > much> > > > > > > importance by

Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a> > > > science> > > > > > only> > > >

> > > when we master D-60. > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the> > > >

vargas> > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does

this mean? Doesn't > it mean> > > > > > that> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > >

> is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read > the> > > > > > results?>

> > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> chakra? > > > > Division > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > meaning should have a

main to get divided.So which > is this> > > > > > main?> > > > > > > If we > > >

> > > > > > consider

Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > > > is> > > > > > the> > >

> > > > main? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It

is one of the vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > > to Parasara. > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask > me

to> > > > > > pick> > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick

D-60. As I > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything

can be seen in D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > > more> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when

defining > dasa> > > > varga> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we

can see > Vargas > > > > repeating> > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few

hours before. Only the Moon> > > > changes> > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have > > > >

different> > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

> and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna >

does> > > > not> > > > > > > repeat in

Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > position fast.

Then, touchstone of any predictive> > > > principle is> > > > > > > advance > >

> > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > astrologers > > >

> of> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya

Prakash ji too > advised> > > > them,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > of no

avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most > > > > > > > unfortunate

!> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of > the

God.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > > > > > > >

generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being > > > > > > >

misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover> > > > the> >

> > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a > science is > >

> > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. > Neither I> > > >

nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it. > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no > need

to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided generations. > > > > > > > >> > >

> >

> > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well > placed> > > > or>

> > > > > > even exalted, > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This

is also applied > in the > > > > > > method> > > > > > > of three> > > > > > >

> > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when > strong will> > > > > >

cause> > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna

Marga, that when the > planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong they> > > > > >

> > > will give their auspicious results - he states that > this> > > > > >

applies > > > > > > > to both> > > > >

> > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and > in > > > > the> >

> > > > > fifth house, it > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is

excellent and excellent > health> > > > is> > > > > > > promised. This> > > > >

> > > > is not the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look

at only the placement of vaaresha > but> > > > also> > > > > > > the ownership

of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a > > > > muhurta> > > > > > > happens

to be randhresha, I do not consider it > auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > >

> just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If > you>

> > > have a> > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the > > > >

arudha> > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > calculation of

vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I

spent so much time > mulling> > > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa

clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah

sudheemataa", but could not come to a > > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope >

Benedict> > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat"

criterion. I > used only> > > > the> > > > > > > standard definition and

ignoring the additional clause. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When Lord

Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > this > > > > > > clause> > > > >

> > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with > all.> > > > For>

> > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] In

concur with your choice for the popes > chart - > > > > good> > > > > > >

rectification.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you

very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > > your> > > > > > >

knowledge and abilities has concurred with my > rectification. > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > >

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Namaskara,

 

'Ek kissaa to pura ho ne do' ....i mean let us clear atleast one issue first :-)

best regards,

 

Utpalkapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sir,

I have been reading your kind mails.

Suppose two or more than two are born at almost the same time ,date ,place etc

,may be to different parents, how are we account for differences amongst them

astrologically.let alone the question of twins.?I wish some astrologer

explains.

Regards,

jagannathan.Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

 

Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl. read Much) to it.

if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest in

judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to other Varga Charts.

 

You asked following things

> > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am very very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any help from any other

Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

 

At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to the differences in

the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16 or D24

or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

 

For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar field (Cricket)

but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have same d10 along with same

rasi chart ofcourse.

 

pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of every body

 

 

Regards,

UtpalPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions ofdivisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

notfit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few

versions of rashi charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:> > Dear Panditji> > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> > Thus as you have said - there

can be possibility that twins can have > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha

and same dashamsha.> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and

dashamsha

> bhavas here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste,> > > > Sharmaji of this list had

given a chart of twins a couple of months> > back. Both have the same navamsha.

If twins case can be explained > with> > divisional charts, are you suggesting

that both will get married at> > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will

be identical ?> > > > ...> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>

wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > I

would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > following argument Appealed me and

convinced me about > the 'Importance' of> > > Varga chart> > > > > >

1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to> > >

diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that

d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for > respect and> > > work in , d12 for

parents and so on & so forth then it > automatically brings> > > the important

of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see > Vimshopak> > > bal,

Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be

most fittingly > justied only by> > > Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > >

regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha

Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Sourav>

> > > > > That was a brilliant mail.> > > I am especially interested in the

Trimsamsa sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > > benefit of the readers,

explain each individual term and give a > detailed> > > interpretation.> > >

best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury

<sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >

|| Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > >

Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS

which is relevent to your and my > arguments once> > > >

more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to> > > > write any

more in this subject as it is useless to argue > against ill> > > > formed

hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > >

> > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> >

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my

argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and

later eras)> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

space > but to> > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

relevant and> > > > important.Now

let us see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The

Creation> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary

Characters and Description> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding

Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen

Divisions of a Sign> > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects

of the Signs> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils

at Birth> > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > >

> C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > >

(etc.)> > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very

clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > > importance. Explanations are given for

Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > > after** defining in details all the

sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > > formulation of these vargas and the

presiding deities. This is> > > > significant.> > > > > > > > You again said:>

> > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all >

your > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly> >

> > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > > Are you

implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > details> > > > of vargas

and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of

planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> argument.> > > > I will tell you why.> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > >

> Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso

dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso

bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah

param ||> > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora,

Drekkana,> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> >

> > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the

words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> > > > together with other

vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas >

and > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other> > >

> vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi> > > >

also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > (called> > > >

D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) will> > > >

show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> > > > > > > > I will

give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > > > > > > BPHS

C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat

smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > >

in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that

Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to be analysed as

individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them i.e. the rasi

varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.> > > > > > > > 2. Your next

argument is trying to show that varga charts > cannot> > > > exist because it

becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances in> > > > varga charts.> > > >

> > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th

house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is

a division > not a> >

> > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > >

> see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets> > > >

in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje

bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

||> > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam

vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja,

Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya

are in order the names of the 12 > houses.> > > > Other things than these

should be understood according to > one's own> > > > intelligence. Now I will

try to tell you some new

things which > I> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"> > > > > > > >

Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> > > > understood

according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > > divisional chart

each house can potentially mean different > things> > > > depending on the

particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This responds to your

second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for

further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a particular Varga.

Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this is an exceptional

chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for the significance

for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this

particular chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like

Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H can mean

fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > > wealth or the

guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of things of

sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask

and assign the> > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

Note that> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular >

aspect> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > >

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > >

career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and > relationship> > >

> with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field.> > > > I

ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > significance > > > > of

each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you> > > > how

deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!> > > > > > > > 3. I

will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument.> > > > > > >

> You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose

lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found?

In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will

not have > anymore > > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in

BPHS is C.8.6 If you

see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you

will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In

the end he > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic >

Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if> > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

(read > ruled> > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is >

definitely> > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby >

> > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > >

> > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this> > >

> discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You > seem to> > > > be

too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > > > others. It's

best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather> > > > than jump up

and challange other's understandings especially of> > > > the learned and

experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >

Sourav > > > >> > > >

===================================================================> > > > > >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> Dear shri Saurav> > > > >> > > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > >>

> > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> >

> > been> > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows >

what i am> > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had >

analysed> > > > new> > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi

chart.> > > > >> > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before >

commenting.Every> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only > against> > > > varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with

caution and fresh > mind -> > > > > all your

doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > >> > > > > In

bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for> >

> > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls tell> > >

> me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a >

chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava

whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > > flourish

- where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > Ask

this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > > >> > > > >

Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > <sourav12@h...>

wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > >

Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> >

> > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > >

> > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > >

> always

say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > >

event, it will not happen even if indications are there in > the > > > > > >

higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > Parasara> > > > > >

has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively> > > > defining> >

> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why so > > >

> much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > >

>> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the > same 4H>

> > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to

get all predictions done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for

a secondary check, you might be mislead. > The> > > > ideal> > > > > > is to

mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful

example of twins who are born > very> > > > close> > > > > > in time to each

other and have completely different > capabilities> > > > and> > > > > >

personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha-ji > > > > has> >

> > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly > read it> > > >

> > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > I like to see many

schools of thought. It is beneficial to >

> > > learning.> > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

the > same of> > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

purpose of> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I

wrote and meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my

Guru.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> >

> >> > > >

=====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very

right in pointing the imperfections.Now you > have> > > > said> > > > > > >

Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not> > > > even > > >

> > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > >

> > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> >

> > > > say> > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

other > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is

not the main > why do> > > > you> > > > > > > want to use them in

combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why

do you give so > many > > > > yogas> > > > > > > in your software based on

Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all> > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just

for physique - how will > we see> > > > the> > > > > > > qualities of

Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > > see> > > > > > >

Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and 10th> > > > > >

lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and >

lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > >

<pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more> > > >

detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further >

replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,> > > >

> > Germany?> > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it

is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the

timezone should be 1:00,> > > > please> > > > > > > change the birthtime to

6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did

not know the time and rectified > lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > >

and various divisions by retro-fitting.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You

wrote:> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus >

mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > Please

check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in the> > > > > > >

second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this > > > > out.> >

> > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Technically, BTW,

whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > > after> > > > > > the> > > > > > >

age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other > > > > dasas.> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

> given> > > > due> > > > > > > respect> > > > >

> > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > basis of > > > > > >

varga -> > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > analysis - Pls> >

> > > > make> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce

results from varga of > a> > > > > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When

Panditji had questioned a similar > analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > >

> > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -> >

> > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I

would be pleased to > know if> > > > you> > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > >

different position. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked,

I will clarify MY position.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection,

multiple divisional charts should be > judged> > > > > > > together. We are

often doing imperfect astrology for the > sake > > > > of> > > > > > >

simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer > is not> > > > any> > >

> > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose > the > >

> > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for > education> > > >

etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works > way>

> > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better > results,> > > > it>

> > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only

when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various >

divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > physical matters in rasi,

financial matters in D-2,> > > > professional> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he

said that "everything" is seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> > > > > > in> > > > > >

> vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am

fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > > subject> > > > > >

and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given > so>

> > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a>

> > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we master D-60.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering

the> > > > vargas> > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > make good

predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it mean> > > > > > that> > > > > > >

there> > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read > the>

> > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place?

Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > > Division> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > >

meaning should have a main to get divided.So which > is this> > > > > > main?>

> > > > > > If we>

> > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > >

> is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > main?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a

divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > >

to Parasara.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and

secondary. If you ask > me to> > > > > > pick> > > > > > > the most important

divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I> > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above,

Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > >

more> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > >

> > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > >

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating>

> > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon> > > >

changes> > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly

repeat. Different divisions have > > > > different> > > > > > > patterns. The

navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa > and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa

combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > does> > > >

not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive> > > > principle is>

> > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude.

Veteran > astrologers > > > > of> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group

like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too > advised> > > > them,> > > > > > >

but> > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most

> > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it

is the will of > the God.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > >

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being> > > >

> > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover> > > >

the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a > science

is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. > Neither I>

> > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no >

need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided generations.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well >

placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > > > then longevity

will be long - This is also applied > in the > > > > > > method> > > > > > > of

three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when > strong

will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara

states in Prasna Marga, that when the > planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong

they> > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that >

this> > > > > > applies> > > > > >

> to both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

> in > > > > the> > > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > > > means the

digestive fire is excellent and excellent > health> > > > is> > > > > > >

promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha > but> > > > also> >

> > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a> > > >

muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it >

auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly

granted by

classics. If > you> > > > have a> > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of

the > > > > arudha> > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > calculation of

vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I

spent so much time > mulling> > > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa

clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah

sudheemataa", but could not come to a> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > When I wrote that Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not use

the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only> > > > the> > > > > > > standard

definition and ignoring the additional clause.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > this > > > > > >

clause> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with >

all.> > > > For> > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart - > > > > good> > > >

> > > rectification.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > > your>

> > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my > rectification. > > >

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I am moved by the love which your kind words carry.

Regards,

jagannathan.Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Kapisthalam ji,

 

Namaskara,

 

'Ek kissaa to pura ho ne do' ....i mean let us clear atleast one issue first :-)

best regards,

 

Utpalkapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sir,

I have been reading your kind mails.

Suppose two or more than two are born at almost the same time ,date ,place etc

,may be to different parents, how are we account for differences amongst them

astrologically.let alone the question of twins.?I wish some astrologer

explains.

Regards,

jagannathan.Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

 

Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl. read Much) to it.

if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest in

judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to other Varga Charts.

 

You asked following things

> > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained > with> >

divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at> > the same

time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

 

I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am very very

curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any help from any other

Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

 

At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to the differences in

the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16 or D24

or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

 

For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar field (Cricket)

but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have same d10 along with same

rasi chart ofcourse.

 

pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of every body

 

 

Regards,

UtpalPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)What if the twins have same

navansha or saptamsha ? Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions ofdivisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

notfit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there area few

versions of rashi charts as well ?...On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:> > Dear Panditji> > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30 > minutes.> > Thus as you have said - there

can be possibility that twins can have > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha

and same dashamsha.> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and

dashamsha

> bhavas here.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste,> > > > Sharmaji of this list had

given a chart of twins a couple of months> > back. Both have the same navamsha.

If twins case can be explained > with> > divisional charts, are you suggesting

that both will get married at> > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will

be identical ?> > > > ...> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>

wrote:> > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > I

would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > following argument Appealed me and

convinced me about > the 'Importance' of> > > Varga chart> > > > > >

1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to> > >

diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that

d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for > respect and> > > work in , d12 for

parents and so on & so forth then it > automatically brings> > > the important

of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see > Vimshopak> > > bal,

Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be

most fittingly > justied only by> > > Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > >

regards,> > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha

Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Sourav>

> > > > > That was a brilliant mail.> > > I am especially interested in the

Trimsamsa sloka. Could you > kindly for the> > > benefit of the readers,

explain each individual term and give a > detailed> > > interpretation.> > >

best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury

<sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >

|| Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > >

Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread > the > > > > postions of the BPHS

which is relevent to your and my > arguments once> > > >

more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to> > > > write any

more in this subject as it is useless to argue > against ill> > > > formed

hypotheses, some of which is in your reply. > > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > >

> > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before > commenting.Every> >

> > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only > against> > > >

varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my

argument. > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and

later eras)> > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

space > but to> > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

relevant and> > > > important.Now

let us see the arrangement of chapters in the > BPHS.> > > > > > > > C.1 - The

Creation> > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > C.3 - Planetary

Characters and Description> > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > C.5 - Finding

Planetary Positions > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > C.7 - The Sixteen

Divisions of a Sign> > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > > > C.9 - Aspects

of the Signs> > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth> > > > C.11- Evils

at Birth> > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > >

> C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> > > >

(etc.)> > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very

clear that Vargas are of > prime> > > > importance. Explanations are given for

Rasi Chakra Analysis > **only > > > > after** defining in details all the

sixteen divisions of a > sign, the> > > > formulation of these vargas and the

presiding deities. This is> > > > significant.> > > > > > > > You again said:>

> > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all >

your > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly> >

> > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > > Are you

implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of > details> > > > of vargas

and presiding deities just to give us a clue for > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of

planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> argument.> > > > I will tell you why.> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > >

> Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |> > > > Navamso

dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka || > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso

bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah

param ||> > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora,

Drekkana,> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa, > Trimsamsa,> >

> > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the

words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed> > > > together with other

vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas >

and > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other> > >

> vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as > rasi> > > >

also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart > (called> > > >

D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13 > onwards) will> > > >

show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.> > > > > > > > I will

give you one more indication of the above conclusion:> > > > > > > > BPHS

C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat

smritam || > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > Navamamsa,> > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies

**like the 12 > houses**> > > >

in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that

Maharshi indicated that all 16 > vargas are > > > > to be analysed as

individual "charts" just like the most > popular of> > > > them i.e. the rasi

varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.> > > > > > > > 2. Your next

argument is trying to show that varga charts > cannot> > > > exist because it

becomes difficult to apply bhava > significances in> > > > varga charts.> > > >

> > > > You stated:> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th

house for father > and 4th> > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

vargas. Can you > pls > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is

a division > not a> >

> > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one > has to> > >

> see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of > planets> > > >

in Hora." > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje

bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

||> > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > Kinchivishesam

vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam || > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja,

Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra, > Dharma,> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya

are in order the names of the 12 > houses.> > > > Other things than these

should be understood according to > one's own> > > > intelligence. Now I will

try to tell you some new

things which > I> > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"> > > > > > > >

Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be> > > > understood

according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each > > > > divisional chart

each house can potentially mean different > things> > > > depending on the

particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > This responds to your

second argument. Refer to Message # > 55218 by> > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for

further understanding what house can > mean what > > > > in a particular Varga.

Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.> > > > Infact this is an exceptional

chart in that sense and thus you> > > > cannot really ask for the significance

for the 4H or 9H as > they dont> > > > exist in this

particular chart!! In case of other kinds of > Hora > > > > charts like

Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > wealth and> > > > 9H can mean

fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in > earning> > > > wealth or the

guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning > wealth> > > > of things of

sustenance etc. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask

and assign the> > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

Note that> > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular >

aspect> > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga > >

> > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of> > > >

career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and > relationship> > >

> with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career > field.> > > > I

ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > significance > > > > of

each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show > you> > > > how

deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!> > > > > > > > 3. I

will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last > argument.> > > > > > >

> You said: > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose

lord in > benefic> > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found?

In Rashi > chakra> > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will

not have > anymore > > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > The referred statement in

BPHS is C.8.6 If you

see the context > of> > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you

will see > that he> > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In

the end he > says > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> misleading. I> > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt > in the> > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic >

Sashtiamsa" This > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> consider, if> > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

(read > ruled> > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is >

definitely> > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby >

> > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > >

> > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to > this> > >

> discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You > seem to> > > > be

too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away > > > > others. It's

best to challenge your own self in understanding > rather> > > > than jump up

and challange other's understandings especially of> > > > the learned and

experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >

Sourav > > > >> > > >

===================================================================> > > > > >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> Dear shri Saurav> > > > >> > > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > >>

> > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on > vargas.It has> >

> > been> > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows >

what i am> > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had >

analysed> > > > new> > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi

chart.> > > > >> > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before >

commenting.Every> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

only > against> > > > varga> > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with

caution and fresh > mind -> > > > > all your

doubts will be cleared.> > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

explained.Read > vimshopaka> > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > >> > > > > In

bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father > and 4th> > > > for> >

> > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you > pls tell> > >

> me > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a >

chart-> > > > so> > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to > see the> > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets > in > > > > Hora.> > > > >> > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava

whose lord in benefic > shstyamsha will> > > > > flourish

- where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or> > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > Ask

this last question and you will not have anymore doubts. > > > > >> > > > >

Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > > > <sourav12@h...>

wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > >

Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> >

> > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > >> > > >

> > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart. > Infact he> > > > >

> always

say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't > allow> > > > an> > > > > >

event, it will not happen even if indications are there in > the > > > > > >

higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi > Parasara> > > > > >

has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively> > > > defining> >

> > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis. > Why so > > >

> much> > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > >

>> > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the > same 4H>

> > > shows> > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> and so > > > > on.> > > > > > If you try to

get all predictions done by rasi chart and > then go> > > > > > into vargas for

a secondary check, you might be mislead. > The> > > > ideal> > > > > > is to

mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful

example of twins who are born > very> > > > close> > > > > > in time to each

other and have completely different > capabilities> > > > and> > > > > >

personalities. You can read the details that Guru > Narasimha-ji > > > > has> >

> > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly > read it> > > >

> > before making further comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > I like to see many

schools of thought. It is beneficial to >

> > > learning.> > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

the > same of> > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

purpose of> > > > learning.> > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I

wrote and meant and > not > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my

Guru.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> >

> >> > > >

=====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are very

right in pointing the imperfections.Now you > have> > > > said> > > > > > >

Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have > not> > > > even > > >

> > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi > chakra> > > > >

> > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one > hand> > > > you> >

> > > > say> > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

other > hand - > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is

not the main > why do> > > > you> > > > > > > want to use them in

combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why

do you give so > many > > > > yogas> > > > > > > in your software based on

Rashi chakra - pertaining to > all> > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just

for physique - how will > we see> > > > the> > > > > > > qualities of

Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will > we > > > > see> > > > > > >

Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house > and 10th> > > > > >

lord> > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and >

lord> > > > in> > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > >

<pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on > multiple> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more> > > >

detailed> > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further >

replies> > > > on> > > > > > > this thread.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,> > > >

> > Germany?> > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it

is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the

timezone should be 1:00,> > > > please> > > > > > > change the birthtime to

6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did

not know the time and rectified > lagna > > > > in> > > > > > rasi> > > > > > >

and various divisions by retro-fitting.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You

wrote:> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus >

mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > Please

check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software > in the> > > > > > >

second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing > this > > > > out.> >

> > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Technically, BTW,

whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa> > > > after> > > > > > the> > > > > > >

age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for > other > > > > dasas.> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

> given> > > > due> > > > > > > respect> > > > >

> > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > basis of > > > > > >

varga -> > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > analysis - Pls> >

> > > > make> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce

results from varga of > a> > > > > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > alone.When

Panditji had questioned a similar > analysis on> > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > >

> > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > correcting -> >

> > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I

would be pleased to > know if> > > > you> > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > >

different position. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked,

I will clarify MY position.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For perfection,

multiple divisional charts should be > judged> > > > > > > together. We are

often doing imperfect astrology for the > sake > > > > of> > > > > > >

simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer > is not> > > > any> > >

> > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose > the > >

> > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for > education> > > >

etc)> > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works > way>

> > > better> > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better > results,> > > > it>

> > > > > is> > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only

when> > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used. > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various >

divisions> > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > physical matters in rasi,

financial matters in D-2,> > > > professional> > > > > > > matters in D-10), he

said that "everything" is seen in D-> 60. > > > > Also> > > > > > in> > > > > >

> vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a > higher> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am

fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect > > > > subject> > > > > >

and> > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given > so>

> > > much> > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a>

> > > science> > > > > > only> > > > > > > when we master D-60.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering

the> > > > vargas> > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > make good

predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > it mean> > > > > > that> > > > > > >

there> > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read > the>

> > > > > results?> > > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place?

Is it not the Rashi > chakra? > > > > Division> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > >

meaning should have a main to get divided.So which > is this> > > > > > main?>

> > > > > > If we>

> > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > where > > >

> is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > main?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rasi is a

divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas> > > > > > according> > > > > > >

to Parasara.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and

secondary. If you ask > me to> > > > > > pick> > > > > > > the most important

divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I> > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > above,

Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and > gave > > > > it> > > > > >

more> > > > > > >

weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining > dasa> > > > varga> > >

> > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > >

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > Vargas > > > > repeating>

> > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon> > > >

changes> > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly

repeat. Different divisions have > > > > different> > > > > > > patterns. The

navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa > and> > > > > > > shashtyamsa

combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna > does> > > >

not> > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi. > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive> > > > principle is>

> > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude.

Veteran > astrologers > > > > of> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > Group

like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too > advised> > > > them,> > > > > > >

but> > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. > Most

> > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it

is the will of > the God.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a > whole > >

> > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is > being> > > >

> > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully > discover> > > >

the> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a > science

is > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge. > Neither I>

> > > nor> > > > > > you> > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no >

need to > > > > talk> > > > > > > about misguided generations.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well >

placed> > > > or> > > > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > > > then longevity

will be long - This is also applied > in the > > > > > > method> > > > > > > of

three> > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when > strong

will> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > but Harihara

states in Prasna Marga, that when the > planets > > > > are> > > > > > > strong

they> > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that >

this> > > > > > applies> > > > > >

> to both> > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

> in > > > > the> > > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > > > means the

digestive fire is excellent and excellent > health> > > > is> > > > > > >

promised. This> > > > > > > > > is not the problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha > but> > > > also> >

> > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a> > > >

muhurta> > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it >

auspicious. > > > > This is> > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly

granted by

classics. If > you> > > > have a> > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of

the > > > > arudha> > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > calculation of

vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I

spent so much time > mulling> > > > over> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa

clause "swaaroodhaat kendra > > > > naathaanaam> > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah

sudheemataa", but could not come to a> > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > When I wrote that Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa in Pope > Benedict> > > > XVI's > > > > > > > chart, I did not use

the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I > used only> > > > the> > > > > > > standard

definition and ignoring the additional clause.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand > this > > > > > >

clause> > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with >

all.> > > > For> > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes > chart - > > > > good> > > >

> > > rectification.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar > of> > > > your>

> > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my > rectification. > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > > > > > > >

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Namaste,

 

On the same token lets make it even simpler. Can you confidently

predict when any native will get married and when he will change the

job, when they will have a child, etc. Why go to twins when I have not

seen many on this list ,gurus or no gurus predict these things for

natives correctly. If you think with a rational hat, you may realize

that you are saying ,you can predict these things for twins with

divisions( divisional charts) with a time difference of 2-4 minutes.

Are you suggesting then that every chart you get, the birth time is

accurate to within 2 minutes.

 

Before wasting our precious resources on trying to kiss a camel's butt

which is too high, lets see whether we have predictive accuracy on

charts of natives who are not twins. After we have achieved that then

go on to solving these complex riddles.

 

I do not see much eveidence of mastery of life patterns from charts of

natives who are not twins. Again I do not mean after the fact

explaining, I mean prediction. When you have a live chart in front of

you with a real life question, can you identify with high degree of

accuracy the past events and then predict the future event/treand with

a high degree of accuracy ?

 

Lets answer that first before we think too highly of our own

capabilities and reach for the stars. BTW reaching for the moon is a

noble idea, but first can we even fly a kite ?

 

....

 

 

On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote:

> Dear Utpal

>

> This point will never strike them, never i mean till the day they realise

> their folly.

> We should give charts of twins to our great intellectuals and ask them when

> the first one got married and when the second one. predict their profession

> and experiences without using "ANY OTHER DIVISIONAL CHART".

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

>

> On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Partha Garu,

> >

> > That is why precisely i mentioned the following lines.

> >

> > [WITHOUT TAKING ANY HEPL FROM ANY OTHER VARGAS

> > and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

> > suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses]

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Pathak

> >

> > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

> > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > Dear Utpal

> > > I have given the answer to the puzzle of same navamsas for

> > marriage timing

> > > in other message.

> > > The answer to such puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa

> > shows "*KARMA"* to be

> > > experienced in this life.

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > On 4/23/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

> > > > Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl.

> > read Much)

> > > > to it. if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so

> > much intrest

> > > > in judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to

> > other Varga

> > > > Charts.

> > > > You asked following things

> > > > > > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

> > > > > with

> > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

> > married at

> > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > > > I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am

> > very

> > > > very curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any

> > help from

> > > > any other Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi,

> > how you

> > > > convincingly suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature

> > of Spouses

> > > > etc..

> > > > At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to

> > the

> > > > differences in the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9

> > then d10 or

> > > > D12 or D16 or D24 or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

> > > > For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar

> > field

> > > > (Cricket) but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits &

> > Talents were

> > > > not Identical. i don't have their birth detials but they may have

> > same d10

> > > > along with same rasi chart ofcourse.

> > > > pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of

> > every

> > > > body

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Utpal

> > > >

> > > > *Panditji <navagraha@g...>* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

> > > >

> > > > What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

> > > > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

> > not

> > > > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there

> > are

> > > > a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Panditji

> > > > >

> > > > > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> > > > > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

> > > > > minutes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can

> > have

> > > > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > > > > bhavas here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of

> > months

> > > > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be

> > explained

> > > > > with

> > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

> > married at

> > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> > > > > the 'Importance' of

> > > > > > > Varga chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters.

> > how to

> > > > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10

> > for

> > > > > respect and

> > > > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> > > > > automatically brings

> > > > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to

> > see

> > > > > Vimshopak

> > > > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> > > > > justied only by

> > > > > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Sourav

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could

> > you

> > > > > kindly for the

> > > > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and

> > give a

> > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > interpretation.

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> > > > > arguments once

> > > > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish

> > not to

> > > > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

> > > > > against ill

> > > > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > > > against

> > > > > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later

> > eras)

> > > > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

> > space

> > > > > but to

> > > > > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

> > relevant and

> > > > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in

> > the

> > > > > BPHS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > > > > (etc.)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas

> > are of

> > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra

> > Analysis

> > > > > **only

> > > > > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of

> > a

> > > > > sign, the

> > > > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities.

> > This is

> > > > > > > > significant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You again said:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind

> > all

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been

> > clearly

> > > > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble

> > of

> > > > > details

> > > > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue

> > for

> > > > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely

> > mistaken

> > > > > argument.

> > > > > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,

> > Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> > > > > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly

> > clubbed

> > > > > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as

> > bhavas

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with

> > other

> > > > > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just

> > as

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional

> > chart

> > > > > (called

> > > > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> > > > > onwards) will

> > > > > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above

> > conclusion:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> > > > > Navamamsa,

> > > > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the

> > 12

> > > > > houses**

> > > > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > > > > vargas are

> > > > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

> > > > > popular of

> > > > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all

> > doubt.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

> > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> > > > > significances in

> > > > > > > > varga charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You stated:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

> > father

> > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

> > you

> > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a

> > division

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

> > matters,one

> > > > > has to

> > > > > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength

> > of

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > in Hora."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

> ||

> > > > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati,

> > Randhra,

> > > > > Dharma,

> > > > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> > > > > houses.

> > > > > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> > > > > one's own

> > > > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things

> > which

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

> > should be

> > > > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in

> > each

> > > > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean

> > different

> > > > > things

> > > > > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

> > > > > 55218 by

> > > > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house

> > can

> > > > > mean what

> > > > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses

> > only.

> > > > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and

> > thus you

> > > > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H

> > as

> > > > > they dont

> > > > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds

> > of

> > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

> > > > > wealth and

> > > > > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed

> > in

> > > > > earning

> > > > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in

> > earning

> > > > > wealth

> > > > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign

> > the

> > > > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

> > Note that

> > > > > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

> > particular

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career

> > Varga

> > > > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the

> > field of

> > > > > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

> > > > > field.

> > > > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> > > > > significance

> > > > > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and

> > show

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely

> > is !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your

> > last

> > > > > argument.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In

> > Rashi

> > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not

> > have

> > > > > anymore

> > > > > > > > doubts."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the

> > context

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will

> > see

> > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the

> > end he

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> > > > > misleading. I

> > > > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

> > doubt

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> > > > > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> > > > > consider, if

> > > > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

> > (read

> > > > > ruled

> > > > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart,

> > thereby

> > > > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new

> > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails.

> > You

> > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting

> > away

> > > > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in

> > understanding

> > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings

> > especially of

> > > > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> ===================================================================

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic-

> > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> > > > > vargas.It has

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha

> > knows

> > > > > what i am

> > > > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

> > > > > analysed

> > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

> > only

> > > > > against

> > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and

> > fresh

> > > > > mind -

> > > > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > > > > vimshopaka

> > > > > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

> > father

> > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

> > you

> > > > > pls tell

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

> > not a

> > > > > chart-

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has

> > to

> > > > > see the

> > > > > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

> > planets

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Hora.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > > > > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore

> > doubts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , "Sourav

> > Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi

> > chart.

> > > > > Infact he

> > > > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart

> > doesn't

> > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are

> > there in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS,

> > Maharshi

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

> > effectively

> > > > > > > > defining

> > > > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava

> > analysis.

> > > > > Why so

> > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances,

> > the

> > > > > same 4H

> > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles

> > happiness

> > > > > and so

> > > > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart

> > and

> > > > > then go

> > > > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be

> > mislead.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are

> > born

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> > > > > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > posted in his website

> > www.vedicastrologer.com<http://www.vedicastrologer.com/>. Kindly

> > > > > read it

> > > > > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is

> > beneficial to

> > > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

> > the

> > > > > same of

> > > > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

> > purpose of

> > > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and

> > meant and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

> > imperfections.Now you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I

> > have

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse

> > rashi

> > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on

> > one

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

> > other

> > > > > hand -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the

> > main

> > > > > why do

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you

> > give so

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining

> > to

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how

> > will

> > > > > we see

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How

> > will

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th

> > house

> > > > > and 10th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house''

> > and

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > > > > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > > > < pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails

> > on

> > > > > multiple

> > > > > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a

> > more

> > > > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any

> > further

> > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for

> > Marktl,

> > > > > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be

> > 1:00,

> > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and

> > rectified

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in

> > Venus

> > > > > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon

> > Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my

> > software

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for

> > pointing

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use

> > Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds

> > for

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was

> > not

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on

> > the

> > > > > basis of

> > > > > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> > > > > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from

> > varga of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> > > > > analysis on

> > > > > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased

> > to

> > > > > know if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY

> > position.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should

> > be

> > > > > judged

> > > > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology

> > for the

> > > > > sake

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

> > answer

> > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll

> > choose

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> > > > > education

> > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it

> > works

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to

> > better

> > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come

> > only when

> > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and

> > used.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> > > > > divisions

> > > > > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen

> > in D-

> > > > > 60.

> > > > > > > > Also

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets

> > a

> > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an

> > imperfect

> > > > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was

> > given

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established

> > as a

> > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

> > considering the

> > > > > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean?

> > Doesn't

> > > > > it mean

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to

> > read

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > > > chakra?

> > > > > > > > Division

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So

> > which

> > > > > is this

> > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division -

> > then

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the

> > vargas

> > > > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If

> > you ask

> > > > > me to

> > > > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-

> > 60. As I

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60

> > and

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when

> > defining

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> > > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only

> > the Moon

> > > > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions

> > have

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,

> > chaturvimsamsa

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi

> > lagna

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

> > predictive

> > > > > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji

> > too

> > > > > advised

> > > > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being

> > misguided.

> > > > > Most

> > > > > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will

> > of

> > > > > the God.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe

> > that "a

> > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a

> > generation is

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to

> > fully

> > > > > discover

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

> > > > > science is

> > > > > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> > > > > Neither I

> > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is

> > no

> > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is

> > well

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also

> > applied

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> > > > > strong will

> > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when

> > the

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states

> > that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara

> > lord and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and

> > excellent

> > > > > health

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of

> > vaaresha

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord

> > in a

> > > > > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by

> > classics. If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of

> > the

> > > > > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > > > > mulling

> > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat

> > kendra

> > > > > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come

> > to a

> > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> > > > > Benedict

> > > > > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion.

> > I

> > > > > used only

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional

> > clause.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will

> > understand

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding

> > with

> > > > > all.

> > > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the

> > popes

> > > > > chart -

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish

> > scholar

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear shri Panditji

It is your kindness to see some merit in my writings.But i am aware of

my limitations.If with 5% knowledge in jyotish ,i am planning to think

big - the loss for me will the remaining 95% of knowledge.

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

>

> What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

>

> Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

> divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does not

> fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there are

> a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

>

> ...

>

> On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji

> >

> > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

> > minutes.

> >

> > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can have

> > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

> >

> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > bhavas here.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of months

> > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

> > with

> > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at

> > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > > >

> > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > >

> > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> > the 'Importance' of

> > > > Varga chart

> > > >

> > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to

> > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > >

> > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for

> > respect and

> > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> > automatically brings

> > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see

> > Vimshopak

> > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > >

> > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> > justied only by

> > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > utpal pathak

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sourav

> > > >

> > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you

> > kindly for the

> > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a

> > detailed

> > > > interpretation.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> > the

> > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> > arguments once

> > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to

> > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

> > against ill

> > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > commenting.Every

> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > against

> > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > >

> > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space

> > but to

> > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and

> > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the

> > BPHS.

> > > > >

> > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > (etc.)

> > > > >

> > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of

> > prime

> > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis

> > **only

> > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a

> > sign, the

> > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > > > > significant.

> > > > >

> > > > > You again said:

> > > > >

> > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all

> > your

> > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

> > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of

> > details

> > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for

> > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> > argument.

> > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > >

> > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > >

> > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > >

> > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed

> > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas

> > and

> > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as

> > rasi

> > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart

> > (called

> > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> > onwards) will

> > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > >

> > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> > Navamamsa,

> > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12

> > houses**

> > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > vargas are

> > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

> > popular of

> > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

> > cannot

> > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> > significances in

> > > > > varga charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > You stated:

> > > > >

> > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

> > and 4th

> > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

> > pls

> > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

> > not a

> > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

> > has to

> > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

> > planets

> > > > > in Hora."

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > >

> > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > >

> > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra,

> > Dharma,

> > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> > houses.

> > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> > one's own

> > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which

> > I

> > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > >

> > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be

> > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different

> > things

> > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > > >

> > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

> > 55218 by

> > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can

> > mean what

> > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.

> > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you

> > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as

> > they dont

> > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of

> > Hora

> > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

> > wealth and

> > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in

> > earning

> > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning

> > wealth

> > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that

> > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular

> > aspect

> > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga

> > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of

> > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > relationship

> > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

> > field.

> > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> > significance

> > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show

> > you

> > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last

> > argument.

> > > > >

> > > > > You said:

> > > > >

> > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > benefic

> > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

> > chakra

> > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have

> > anymore

> > > > > doubts."

> > > > >

> > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context

> > of

> > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see

> > that he

> > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he

> > says

> > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> > misleading. I

> > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt

> > in the

> > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> > consider, if

> > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read

> > ruled

> > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> > definitely

> > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby

> > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to

> > this

> > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

> > seem to

> > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding

> > rather

> > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of

> > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > >

> > ===================================================================

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> > vargas.It has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows

> > what i am

> > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

> > analysed

> > > > > new

> > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > commenting.Every

> > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > against

> > > > > varga

> > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh

> > mind -

> > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > vimshopaka

> > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

> > and 4th

> > > > > for

> > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

> > pls tell

> > > > > me

> > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

> > chart-

> > > > > so

> > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to

> > see the

> > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets

> > in

> > > > > Hora.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart.

> > Infact he

> > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't

> > allow

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in

> > the

> > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi

> > Parasara

> > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively

> > > > > defining

> > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis.

> > Why so

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the

> > same 4H

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> > and so

> > > > > on.

> > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and

> > then go

> > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead.

> > The

> > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born

> > very

> > > > > close

> > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> > capabilities

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly

> > read it

> > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to

> > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the

> > same of

> > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and

> > not

> > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you

> > have

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have

> > not

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi

> > chakra

> > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one

> > hand

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other

> > hand -

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main

> > why do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so

> > many

> > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to

> > all

> > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will

> > we see

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will

> > we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house

> > and 10th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and

> > lord

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on

> > multiple

> > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more

> > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

> > replies

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,

> > > > > please

> > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified

> > lagna

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus

> > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software

> > in the

> > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing

> > this

> > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for

> > other

> > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

> > given

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the

> > basis of

> > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of

> > a

> > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> > analysis on

> > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to

> > know if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be

> > judged

> > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the

> > sake

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer

> > is not

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose

> > the

> > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> > education

> > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works

> > way

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better

> > results,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when

> > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> > divisions

> > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-

> > 60.

> > > > > Also

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a

> > higher

> > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect

> > > > > subject

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given

> > so

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a

> > > > > science

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the

> > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't

> > it mean

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read

> > the

> > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > chakra?

> > > > > Division

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which

> > is this

> > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then

> > where

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas

> > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask

> > me to

> > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and

> > gave

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining

> > dasa

> > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> > Vargas

> > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon

> > > > > changes

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

> > and

> > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna

> > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive

> > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > astrologers

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

> > advised

> > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided.

> > Most

> > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of

> > the God.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a

> > whole

> > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is

> > being

> > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully

> > discover

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

> > science is

> > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> > Neither I

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no

> > need to

> > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well

> > placed

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied

> > in the

> > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> > strong will

> > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the

> > planets

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that

> > this

> > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

> > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent

> > health

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha

> > but

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a

> > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> > auspicious.

> > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If

> > you

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the

> > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > mulling

> > > > > over

> > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> > Benedict

> > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I

> > used only

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand

> > this

> > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with

> > all.

> > > > > For

> > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes

> > chart -

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar

> > of

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> > rectification.

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Panditji

 

This is a very valuable piece which every reader can make benefit out

of.Step by step.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> On the same token lets make it even simpler. Can you confidently

> predict when any native will get married and when he will change the

> job, when they will have a child, etc. Why go to twins when I have not

> seen many on this list ,gurus or no gurus predict these things for

> natives correctly. If you think with a rational hat, you may realize

> that you are saying ,you can predict these things for twins with

> divisions( divisional charts) with a time difference of 2-4 minutes.

> Are you suggesting then that every chart you get, the birth time is

> accurate to within 2 minutes.

>

> Before wasting our precious resources on trying to kiss a camel's butt

> which is too high, lets see whether we have predictive accuracy on

> charts of natives who are not twins. After we have achieved that then

> go on to solving these complex riddles.

>

> I do not see much eveidence of mastery of life patterns from charts of

> natives who are not twins. Again I do not mean after the fact

> explaining, I mean prediction. When you have a live chart in front of

> you with a real life question, can you identify with high degree of

> accuracy the past events and then predict the future event/treand with

> a high degree of accuracy ?

>

> Lets answer that first before we think too highly of our own

> capabilities and reach for the stars. BTW reaching for the moon is a

> noble idea, but first can we even fly a kite ?

>

> ...

>

>

> On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > Dear Utpal

> >

> > This point will never strike them, never i mean till the day they

realise

> > their folly.

> > We should give charts of twins to our great intellectuals and ask

them when

> > the first one got married and when the second one. predict their

profession

> > and experiences without using "ANY OTHER DIVISIONAL CHART".

> >

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Partha Garu,

> > >

> > > That is why precisely i mentioned the following lines.

> > >

> > > [WITHOUT TAKING ANY HEPL FROM ANY OTHER VARGAS

> > > and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

> > > suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses]

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Pathak

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

> > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > I have given the answer to the puzzle of same navamsas for

> > > marriage timing

> > > > in other message.

> > > > The answer to such puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa

> > > shows "*KARMA"* to be

> > > > experienced in this life.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

> > > > > Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl.

> > > read Much)

> > > > > to it. if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so

> > > much intrest

> > > > > in judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to

> > > other Varga

> > > > > Charts.

> > > > > You asked following things

> > > > > > > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

> > > married at

> > > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be

identical ?

> > > > > I am really surprised about your question at the same time

I am

> > > very

> > > > > very curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any

> > > help from

> > > > > any other Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi,

> > > how you

> > > > > convincingly suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature

> > > of Spouses

> > > > > etc..

> > > > > At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to

> > > the

> > > > > differences in the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9

> > > then d10 or

> > > > > D12 or D16 or D24 or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

> > > > > For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar

> > > field

> > > > > (Cricket) but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits &

> > > Talents were

> > > > > not Identical. i don't have their birth detials but they may

have

> > > same d10

> > > > > along with same rasi chart ofcourse.

> > > > > pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of

> > > every

> > > > > body

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Utpal

> > > > >

> > > > > *Panditji <navagraha@g...>* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

> > > > >

> > > > > What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

> > > > > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

> > > not

> > > > > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are

there

> > > are

> > > > > a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Panditji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> > > > > > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well

as 30

> > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that

twins can

> > > have

> > > > > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > > > > > bhavas here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of

> > > months

> > > > > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be

> > > explained

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

> > > married at

> > > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be

identical ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> > > > > > the 'Importance' of

> > > > > > > > Varga chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters.

> > > how to

> > > > > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10

> > > for

> > > > > > respect and

> > > > > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> > > > > > automatically brings

> > > > > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to

> > > see

> > > > > > Vimshopak

> > > > > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most

fittingly

> > > > > > justied only by

> > > > > > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Sourav

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could

> > > you

> > > > > > kindly for the

> > > > > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and

> > > give a

> > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > interpretation.

> > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> > > > > > arguments once

> > > > > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish

> > > not to

> > > > > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to

argue

> > > > > > against ill

> > > > > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and

later

> > > eras)

> > > > > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

> > > space

> > > > > > but to

> > > > > > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

> > > relevant and

> > > > > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in

> > > the

> > > > > > BPHS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > > > > > (etc.)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas

> > > are of

> > > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra

> > > Analysis

> > > > > > **only

> > > > > > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of

> > > a

> > > > > > sign, the

> > > > > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities.

> > > This is

> > > > > > > > > significant.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You again said:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind

> > > all

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been

> > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble

> > > of

> > > > > > details

> > > > > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely

> > > mistaken

> > > > > > argument.

> > > > > > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,

> > > Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> > > > > > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly

> > > clubbed

> > > > > > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as

> > > bhavas

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same

with

> > > other

> > > > > > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac

just

> > > as

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional

> > > chart

> > > > > > (called

> > > > > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> > > > > > onwards) will

> > > > > > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above

> > > conclusion:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa,

> > > > > > Navamamsa,

> > > > > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the

> > > 12

> > > > > > houses**

> > > > > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > > > > > vargas are

> > > > > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the

most

> > > > > > popular of

> > > > > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all

> > > doubt.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga

charts

> > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> > > > > > significances in

> > > > > > > > > varga charts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You stated:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

> > > father

> > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

vargas. Can

> > > you

> > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a

> > > division

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

> > > matters,one

> > > > > > has to

> > > > > > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the

strength

> > > of

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > in Hora."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > > > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

> > ||

> > > > > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > > > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati,

> > > Randhra,

> > > > > > Dharma,

> > > > > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> > > > > > houses.

> > > > > > > > > Other things than these should be understood

according to

> > > > > > one's own

> > > > > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things

> > > which

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

> > > should be

> > > > > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence **

Thus in

> > > each

> > > > > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean

> > > different

> > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to

Message #

> > > > > > 55218 by

> > > > > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house

> > > can

> > > > > > mean what

> > > > > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two

houses

> > > only.

> > > > > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and

> > > thus you

> > > > > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H

> > > as

> > > > > > they dont

> > > > > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds

> > > of

> > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha

regarding

> > > > > > wealth and

> > > > > > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma

followed

> > > in

> > > > > > earning

> > > > > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in

> > > earning

> > > > > > wealth

> > > > > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and

assign

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

> > > Note that

> > > > > > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

> > > particular

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career

> > > Varga

> > > > > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the

> > > field of

> > > > > > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the

career

> > > > > > field.

> > > > > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> > > > > > significance

> > > > > > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and

> > > show

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely

> > > is !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your

> > > last

> > > > > > argument.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In

> > > Rashi

> > > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not

> > > have

> > > > > > anymore

> > > > > > > > > doubts."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the

> > > context

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will

> > > see

> > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the

> > > end he

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> > > > > > misleading. I

> > > > > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

> > > doubt

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> > > > > > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> > > > > > consider, if

> > > > > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

> > > (read

> > > > > > ruled

> > > > > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> > > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart,

> > > thereby

> > > > > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I

am new

> > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails.

> > > You

> > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and

shutting

> > > away

> > > > > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in

> > > understanding

> > > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings

> > > especially of

> > > > > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > ===================================================================

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> > > > > > vargas.It has

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha

> > > knows

> > > > > > what i am

> > > > > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri

Narasimha had

> > > > > > analysed

> > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

> > > only

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and

> > > fresh

> > > > > > mind -

> > > > > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > > > > > vimshopaka

> > > > > > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

> > > father

> > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

> > > you

> > > > > > pls tell

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

> > > not a

> > > > > > chart-

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

matters,one has

> > > to

> > > > > > see the

> > > > > > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

> > > planets

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Hora.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > > > > > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

chakra or

> > > > > > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore

> > > doubts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , "Sourav

> > > Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's

comments.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi

> > > chart.

> > > > > > Infact he

> > > > > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart

> > > doesn't

> > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are

> > > there in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS,

> > > Maharshi

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

> > > effectively

> > > > > > > > > defining

> > > > > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava

> > > analysis.

> > > > > > Why so

> > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances,

> > > the

> > > > > > same 4H

> > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles

> > > happiness

> > > > > > and so

> > > > > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart

> > > and

> > > > > > then go

> > > > > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be

> > > mislead.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are

> > > born

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> > > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> > > > > > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > posted in his website

> > > www.vedicastrologer.com<http://www.vedicastrologer.com/>. Kindly

> > > > > > read it

> > > > > > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is

> > > beneficial to

> > > > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

> > > the

> > > > > > same of

> > > > > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

> > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and

> > > meant and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

> > > imperfections.Now you

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I

> > > have

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse

> > > rashi

> > > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on

> > > one

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on

the

> > > other

> > > > > > hand -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the

> > > main

> > > > > > why do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you

> > > give so

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra -

pertaining

> > > to

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how

> > > will

> > > > > > we see

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi

chakra? How

> > > will

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th

> > > house

> > > > > > and 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th

''house''

> > > and

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > > > > > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > > > > < pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails

> > > on

> > > > > > multiple

> > > > > > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any

> > > further

> > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for

> > > Marktl,

> > > > > > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone

should be

> > > 1:00,

> > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and

> > > rectified

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in

> > > Venus

> > > > > > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon

> > > Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my

> > > software

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for

> > > pointing

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use

> > > Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds

> > > for

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was

> > > not

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on

> > > the

> > > > > > basis of

> > > > > > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> > > > > > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from

> > > varga of

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> > > > > > analysis on

> > > > > > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing

in and

> > > > > > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be

pleased

> > > to

> > > > > > know if

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY

> > > position.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts

should

> > > be

> > > > > > judged

> > > > > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology

> > > for the

> > > > > > sake

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

> > > answer

> > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll

> > > choose

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it

> > > works

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to

> > > better

> > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come

> > > only when

> > > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and

> > > used.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in

various

> > > > > > divisions

> > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in

D-2,

> > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is

seen

> > > in D-

> > > > > > 60.

> > > > > > > > > Also

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60

gets

> > > a

> > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an

> > > imperfect

> > > > > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was

> > > given

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be

established

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

> > > considering the

> > > > > > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean?

> > > Doesn't

> > > > > > it mean

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to

> > > read

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > > > > chakra?

> > > > > > > > > Division

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So

> > > which

> > > > > > is this

> > > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division -

> > > then

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the

> > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If

> > > you ask

> > > > > > me to

> > > > > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-

> > > 60. As I

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in

D-60

> > > and

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when

> > > defining

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> > > > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only

> > > the Moon

> > > > > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different

divisions

> > > have

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,

> > > chaturvimsamsa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries

rasi

> > > lagna

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

> > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji

> > > too

> > > > > > advised

> > > > > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being

> > > misguided.

> > > > > > Most

> > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will

> > > of

> > > > > > the God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe

> > > that "a

> > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a

> > > generation is

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to

> > > fully

> > > > > > discover

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology

as a

> > > > > > science is

> > > > > > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> > > > > > Neither I

> > > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work.

There is

> > > no

> > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth

lord is

> > > well

> > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also

> > > applied

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord

when

> > > > > > strong will

> > > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that

when

> > > the

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he

states

> > > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara

> > > lord and

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and

> > > excellent

> > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of

> > > vaaresha

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday

lord

> > > in a

> > > > > > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> > > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by

> > > classics. If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the

use of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > > > > > mulling

> > > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat

> > > kendra

> > > > > > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come

> > > to a

> > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in

Pope

> > > > > > Benedict

> > > > > > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat"

criterion.

> > > I

> > > > > > used only

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional

> > > clause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will

> > > understand

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my

understanding

> > > with

> > > > > > all.

> > > > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the

> > > popes

> > > > > > chart -

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish

> > > scholar

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

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Namaste Pradeepji,

 

Do not sell yourself short. You have raised valid and fundamentally

significant questions. Before we answer these to our satisfaction and

experience their applicability on hundreds and hundreds of charts we

can not say we have mastered this divine science. You have asked these

questions now for a long time and reading from the posts, I do not

think you are going to find the answers to these on the internet and

in an email. I know we are all very busy but it will be of benefit to

find a real life jyotish guru. The one who is versed in shastras and

has enough life expereince ( The term used is "One who has seen many

rainy seasons") You won't find that guru in cyber space. I am

convinced that with the urge with which you have pursued this subject

and jyotish you will find this guru soon.

 

....

 

On 4/23/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear shri Panditji

> It is your kindness to see some merit in my writings.But i am aware of

> my limitations.If with 5% knowledge in jyotish ,i am planning to think

> big - the loss for me will the remaining 95% of knowledge.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

> >

> > What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

> >

> > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

> > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does not

> > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there are

> > a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji

> > >

> > > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> > > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

> > > minutes.

> > >

> > > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can have

> > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

> > >

> > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > > bhavas here.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of months

> > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

> > > with

> > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get married at

> > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > > >

> > > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> > > the 'Importance' of

> > > > > Varga chart

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters. how to

> > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for

> > > respect and

> > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> > > automatically brings

> > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to see

> > > Vimshopak

> > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> > > justied only by

> > > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you

> > > kindly for the

> > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and give a

> > > detailed

> > > > > interpretation.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> > > the

> > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> > > arguments once

> > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish not to

> > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

> > > against ill

> > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > against

> > > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later eras)

> > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save space

> > > but to

> > > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very relevant and

> > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the

> > > BPHS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > > (etc.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas are of

> > > prime

> > > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis

> > > **only

> > > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a

> > > sign, the

> > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. This is

> > > > > > significant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You again said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all

> > > your

> > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

> > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of

> > > details

> > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for

> > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> > > argument.

> > > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> > > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed

> > > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as bhavas

> > > and

> > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with other

> > > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just as

> > > rasi

> > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional chart

> > > (called

> > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> > > onwards) will

> > > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> > > Navamamsa,

> > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12

> > > houses**

> > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > > vargas are

> > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

> > > popular of

> > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all doubt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

> > > cannot

> > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> > > significances in

> > > > > > varga charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You stated:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

> > > and 4th

> > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

> > > pls

> > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

> > > not a

> > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

> > > has to

> > > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

> > > planets

> > > > > > in Hora."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra,

> > > Dharma,

> > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> > > houses.

> > > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> > > one's own

> > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things which

> > > I

> > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these should be

> > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in each

> > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different

> > > things

> > > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

> > > 55218 by

> > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can

> > > mean what

> > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses only.

> > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and thus you

> > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as

> > > they dont

> > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of

> > > Hora

> > > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

> > > wealth and

> > > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed in

> > > earning

> > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in earning

> > > wealth

> > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra. Note that

> > > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the particular

> > > aspect

> > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career Varga

> > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the field of

> > > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > relationship

> > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

> > > field.

> > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> > > significance

> > > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and show

> > > you

> > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last

> > > argument.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > > benefic

> > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi

> > > chakra

> > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not have

> > > anymore

> > > > > > doubts."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the context

> > > of

> > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will see

> > > that he

> > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the end he

> > > says

> > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> > > misleading. I

> > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no doubt

> > > in the

> > > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> > > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> > > consider, if

> > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa (read

> > > ruled

> > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> > > definitely

> > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby

> > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new to

> > > this

> > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

> > > seem to

> > > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting away

> > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in understanding

> > > rather

> > > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings especially of

> > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> ===================================================================

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> > > vargas.It has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows

> > > what i am

> > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

> > > analysed

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > against

> > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and fresh

> > > mind -

> > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > > vimshopaka

> > > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

> > > and 4th

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

> > > pls tell

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division not a

> > > chart-

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has to

> > > see the

> > > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of planets

> > > in

> > > > > > Hora.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart.

> > > Infact he

> > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart doesn't

> > > allow

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are there in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, Maharshi

> > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e. effectively

> > > > > > defining

> > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis.

> > > Why so

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the

> > > same 4H

> > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> > > and so

> > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart and

> > > then go

> > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be mislead.

> > > The

> > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born

> > > very

> > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> > > capabilities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> > > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly

>

> > > read it

> > > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is beneficial to

> > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the

> > > same of

> > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the purpose of

> > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and meant and

> > > not

> > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the imperfections.Now you

> > > have

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I have

> > > not

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi

> > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on one

> > > hand

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the other

> > > hand -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the main

> > > why do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you give so

> > > many

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining to

> > > all

> > > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how will

> > > we see

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How will

> > > we

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house

> > > and 10th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house'' and

> > > lord

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on

> > > multiple

> > > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a more

> > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

> > > replies

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be 1:00,

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and rectified

> > > lagna

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus

> > > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my software

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for pointing

> > > this

> > > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for

> > > other

> > > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not

> > > given

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the

> > > basis of

> > > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> > > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> > > analysis on

> > > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to

> > > know if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY position.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should be

> > > judged

> > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology for the

> > > sake

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best answer

> > > is not

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll choose

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> > > education

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it works

> > > way

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better

> > > results,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come only when

> > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> > > divisions

> > > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen in D-

> > > 60.

> > > > > > Also

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a

> > > higher

> > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an imperfect

> > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was given

> > > so

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established as a

> > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the

> > > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't

> > > it mean

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read

> > > the

> > > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > chakra?

> > > > > > Division

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which

> > > is this

> > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then

> > > where

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the vargas

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If you ask

> > > me to

> > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60 and

> > > gave

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when defining

> > > dasa

> > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> > > Vargas

> > > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon

> > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions have

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi lagna

> > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive

> > > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > > astrologers

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

> > > advised

> > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided.

> > > Most

> > > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of

> > > the God.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a

> > > whole

> > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a generation is

> > > being

> > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully

> > > discover

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

> > > science is

> > > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> > > Neither I

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no

> > > need to

> > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is well

> > > placed

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also applied

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> > > strong will

> > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when the

> > > planets

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states that

> > > this

> > > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara lord and

> > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and excellent

> > > health

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of vaaresha

> > > but

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord in a

> > > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> > > auspicious.

> > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by classics. If

> > > you

> > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of the

> > > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > > mulling

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come to a

> > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> > > Benedict

> > > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I

> > > used only

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional clause.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will understand

> > > this

> > > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding with

> > > all.

> > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes

> > > chart -

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish scholar

> > > of

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Shri Panditji

 

Thanks a lot for your kind words.

I am praying and hope the Guru will come at the right time if

destined.Whoever be the guide I have to meet him in person.Your posts

do reveal your diverse reading.I have to go a long way.

 

Thanks again

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> Namaste Pradeepji,

>

> Do not sell yourself short. You have raised valid and fundamentally

> significant questions. Before we answer these to our satisfaction and

> experience their applicability on hundreds and hundreds of charts we

> can not say we have mastered this divine science. You have asked these

> questions now for a long time and reading from the posts, I do not

> think you are going to find the answers to these on the internet and

> in an email. I know we are all very busy but it will be of benefit to

> find a real life jyotish guru. The one who is versed in shastras and

> has enough life expereince ( The term used is "One who has seen many

> rainy seasons") You won't find that guru in cyber space. I am

> convinced that with the urge with which you have pursued this subject

> and jyotish you will find this guru soon.

>

> ...

>

> On 4/23/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear shri Panditji

> > It is your kindness to see some merit in my writings.But i am aware of

> > my limitations.If with 5% knowledge in jyotish ,i am planning to think

> > big - the loss for me will the remaining 95% of knowledge.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> > > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

> > >

> > > What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

> > >

> > > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

> > > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does not

> > > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are

there are

> > > a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Panditji

> > > >

> > > > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> > > > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

> > > > minutes.

> > > >

> > > > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins

can have

> > > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > > > bhavas here.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of

months

> > > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be

explained

> > > > with

> > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

married at

> > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> > > > the 'Importance' of

> > > > > > Varga chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters.

how to

> > > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10 for

> > > > respect and

> > > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> > > > automatically brings

> > > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to

see

> > > > Vimshopak

> > > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> > > > justied only by

> > > > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could you

> > > > kindly for the

> > > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and

give a

> > > > detailed

> > > > > > interpretation.

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> > > > the

> > > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> > > > arguments once

> > > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish

not to

> > > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

> > > > against ill

> > > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > > against

> > > > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and

later eras)

> > > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

space

> > > > but to

> > > > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

relevant and

> > > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in the

> > > > BPHS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > > > (etc.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas

are of

> > > > prime

> > > > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra Analysis

> > > > **only

> > > > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of a

> > > > sign, the

> > > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities.

This is

> > > > > > > significant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You again said:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind all

> > > > your

> > > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been

clearly

> > > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble of

> > > > details

> > > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue for

> > > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely mistaken

> > > > argument.

> > > > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,

Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> > > > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly clubbed

> > > > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as

bhavas

> > > > and

> > > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same

with other

> > > > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac

just as

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional

chart

> > > > (called

> > > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> > > > onwards) will

> > > > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above conclusion:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> > > > Navamamsa,

> > > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the 12

> > > > houses**

> > > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > > > vargas are

> > > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

> > > > popular of

> > > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all

doubt.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

> > > > cannot

> > > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> > > > significances in

> > > > > > > varga charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You stated:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for father

> > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas.

Can you

> > > > pls

> > > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a

division

> > > > not a

> > > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

matters,one

> > > > has to

> > > > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the

strength of

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > in Hora."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat ||

> > > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, Randhra,

> > > > Dharma,

> > > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> > > > houses.

> > > > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> > > > one's own

> > > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things

which

> > > > I

> > > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

should be

> > > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus

in each

> > > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean different

> > > > things

> > > > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

> > > > 55218 by

> > > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house can

> > > > mean what

> > > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two

houses only.

> > > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and

thus you

> > > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H as

> > > > they dont

> > > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds of

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

> > > > wealth and

> > > > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma

followed in

> > > > earning

> > > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in

earning

> > > > wealth

> > > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign the

> > > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

Note that

> > > > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

particular

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career

Varga

> > > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the

field of

> > > > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > > relationship

> > > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

> > > > field.

> > > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> > > > significance

> > > > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and

show

> > > > you

> > > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely is !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your last

> > > > argument.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In

Rashi

> > > > chakra

> > > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not

have

> > > > anymore

> > > > > > > doubts."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the

context

> > > > of

> > > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will

see

> > > > that he

> > > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the

end he

> > > > says

> > > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> > > > misleading. I

> > > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

doubt

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> > > > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> > > > consider, if

> > > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

(read

> > > > ruled

> > > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> > > > definitely

> > > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, thereby

> > > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am

new to

> > > > this

> > > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails. You

> > > > seem to

> > > > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and

shutting away

> > > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in

understanding

> > > > rather

> > > > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings

especially of

> > > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > ===================================================================

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> > > > vargas.It has

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha knows

> > > > what i am

> > > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

> > > > analysed

> > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > > against

> > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and

fresh

> > > > mind -

> > > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > > > vimshopaka

> > > > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

father

> > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can you

> > > > pls tell

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

not a

> > > > chart-

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one

has to

> > > > see the

> > > > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > > Hora.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > > > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore

doubts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi chart.

> > > > Infact he

> > > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart

doesn't

> > > > allow

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are

there in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS,

Maharshi

> > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

effectively

> > > > > > > defining

> > > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava analysis.

> > > > Why so

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, the

> > > > same 4H

> > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles happiness

> > > > and so

> > > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart

and

> > > > then go

> > > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be

mislead.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are born

> > > > very

> > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> > > > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > posted in his website www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly

> >

> > > > read it

> > > > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is

beneficial to

> > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for the

> > > > same of

> > > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

purpose of

> > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and

meant and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > =====================================================================

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

imperfections.Now you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I

have

> > > > not

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse rashi

> > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on

one

> > > > hand

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

other

> > > > hand -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the

main

> > > > why do

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you

give so

> > > > many

> > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra -

pertaining to

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how

will

> > > > we see

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra?

How will

> > > > we

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th house

> > > > and 10th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th

''house'' and

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > > > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails on

> > > > multiple

> > > > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a

more

> > > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any further

> > > > replies

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for

Marktl,

> > > > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should

be 1:00,

> > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and

rectified

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus

> > > > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon

Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my

software

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for

pointing

> > > > this

> > > > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use

Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds for

> > > > other

> > > > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was

not

> > > > given

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the

> > > > basis of

> > > > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> > > > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from

varga of

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> > > > analysis on

> > > > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be

pleased to

> > > > know if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY

position.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts

should be

> > > > judged

> > > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology

for the

> > > > sake

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

answer

> > > > is not

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll

choose

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> > > > education

> > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it

works

> > > > way

> > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to better

> > > > results,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come

only when

> > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and used.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> > > > divisions

> > > > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is

seen in D-

> > > > 60.

> > > > > > > Also

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets a

> > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an

imperfect

> > > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was

given

> > > > so

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established

as a

> > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

considering the

> > > > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean?

Doesn't

> > > > it mean

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to

read

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > > chakra?

> > > > > > > Division

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So

which

> > > > is this

> > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division -

then

> > > > where

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the

vargas

> > > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If

you ask

> > > > me to

> > > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick

D-60. As I

> > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in

D-60 and

> > > > gave

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when

defining

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only

the Moon

> > > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different

divisions have

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,

chaturvimsamsa

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi

lagna

> > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive

> > > > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

> > > > advised

> > > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being

misguided.

> > > > Most

> > > > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of

> > > > the God.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe that "a

> > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a

generation is

> > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to fully

> > > > discover

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

> > > > science is

> > > > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> > > > Neither I

> > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is no

> > > > need to

> > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is

well

> > > > placed

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also

applied

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> > > > strong will

> > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when

the

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states

that

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara

lord and

> > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and

excellent

> > > > health

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of

vaaresha

> > > > but

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord

in a

> > > > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by

classics. If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use

of the

> > > > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > > > mulling

> > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > > > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come

to a

> > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> > > > Benedict

> > > > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I

> > > > used only

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional

clause.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will

understand

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my

understanding with

> > > > all.

> > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the popes

> > > > chart -

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish

scholar

> > > > of

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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Brilliant Punditji ! That is what I too stress, always. One should be able to

predict at least basic trends, if not events. Then your claim to your method

deserve serious attention. If anybody claims Guru status, he should demonstrate

his superior (to others) predictive competence to convince fellow students. I

have had personal experience with two such self proclaimed SJC Gurus and I feel

I am 10 times (at least) better than those fellows so far predictive astrology

is concerned. In my life till date only Shri K.N.Rao could satisfy me by

telling life patterns on his own (sometimes in early nineties). Except Mundane

astrology, his success rate in natal predictions is very high. Even in Mundane

astrology, he had consistently given Monsoon forecasts, much better than

meteorologists. I had attended his lectures in BVB and heard him speaking in

one seminar in Jaipur (Rajasthan) for one hour. The impression I had will

remain with me all through my life. I am sure that any sane brain from this

list will have the same impression I had, if he / she just listens to him even

once. That is why I request all to learn and follow his principles.

 

Praveen kumar (Mumbai)

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Panditji

vedic astrology

23, 04, 2005 8:47 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Multiple replies / Shri Utpal /Panditji

Namaste,On the same token lets make it even simpler. Can you confidentlypredict

when any native will get married and when he will change thejob, when they will

have a child, etc. Why go to twins when I have notseen many on this list ,gurus

or no gurus predict these things fornatives correctly. If you think with a

rational hat, you may realizethat you are saying ,you can predict these things

for twins withdivisions( divisional charts) with a time difference of 2-4

minutes.Are you suggesting then that every chart you get, the birth time

isaccurate to within 2 minutes.Before wasting our precious resources on trying

to kiss a camel's buttwhich is too high, lets see whether we have predictive

accuracy oncharts of natives who are not twins. After we have achieved that

thengo on to solving these complex riddles.I do not see much eveidence of

mastery of life patterns from charts ofnatives who are not twins. Again I do

not mean after the factexplaining, I mean prediction. When you have a live

chart in front ofyou with a real life question, can you identify with high

degree ofaccuracy the past events and then predict the future event/treand

witha high degree of accuracy ?Lets answer that first before we think too

highly of our owncapabilities and reach for the stars. BTW reaching for the

moon is anoble idea, but first can we even fly a kite ?...On 4/23/05, Partha

Sarathy <partvinu > wrote:> Dear Utpal> > This point will never

strike them, never i mean till the day they realise> their folly.> We should

give charts of twins to our great intellectuals and ask them when> the first

one got married and when the second one. predict their profession> and

experiences without using "ANY OTHER DIVISIONAL CHART". > > best wishes>

partha> > > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote: > > > >

> > > > Dear Partha Garu,> > > > That is why precisely i mentioned the following

lines.> > > > [WITHOUT TAKING ANY HEPL FROM ANY OTHER VARGAS > > and just by

Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly> > suggest to find out

the marriage timing and nature of Spouses]> > > > Regards,> > > > Pathak> > > >

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy> > <partvinu@g...>

wrote:> > > Dear Utpal> > > I have given the answer to the puzzle of same

navamsas for> > marriage timing> > > in other message.> > > The answer to such

puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa > > shows "*KARMA"* to be> > > experienced in

this life.> > > best wishes> > > partha> > >> > >> > > On 4/23/05, Utpal

Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji

(You both deserve to be JI for Me) > > > > Are we not casting 'Navmansha

Chart' and give importance (pl.> > read Much)> > > > to it. if D9 Chart, being

a Varga chart can be analysed with so> > much intrest> > > > in judging any

chart then the same logic should also apply to > > other Varga> > > > Charts.>

> > > You asked following things> > > > > > Both have the same navamsha. If

twins case can be explained> > > > > with> > > > > > divisional charts, are you

suggesting that both will get > > married at> > > > > > the same time ? Will

their spouses nature will be identical ?> > > > I am really surprised about

your question at the same time I am> > very> > > > very curious to know the

answer for you. Without not taking any > > help from> > > > any other Vargas

and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi,> > how you> > > > convincingly

suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature> > of Spouses> > > > etc..>

> > > At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to > > the> >

> > differences in the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9> > then d10

or> > > > D12 or D16 or D24 or D30 OR Shatyamsa.> > > > For Example: - Mark

Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar > > field> > > > (Cricket) but their

Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits &> > Talents were> > > > not Identical.

i don't have their birth detials but they may have> > same d10> > > > along

with same rasi chart ofcourse. > > > > pl. take it very positively and answer

to me for the benefit of> > every> > > > body> > > > Regards,> > > > Utpal> >

> >> > > > *Panditji <navagraha@g...>* wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeepji (

You deserve the Ji, trust me)> > > >> > > > What if the twins have same navansha

or saptamsha ?> > > >> > > > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

versions of > > > > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data

does> > not> > > > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are

there> > are> > > > a few versions of rashi charts as well ? > > > >> > > >

....> > > >> > > > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep>

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Panditji> > > > >> > > > > Medical science says

average time gap between twins are 15-17 > > > > > minutes.Thus twins can be

born between 10 minutes as well as 30> > > > > minutes.> > > > >> > > > > Thus

as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can> > have> > > > >

same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.> > > > >> > > > >

Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha> > > > > bhavas

here.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji> > <navagraha@g...>> > > > > wrote: >

> > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart

of twins a couple of> > months> > > > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If

twins case can be > > explained> > > > > with> > > > > > divisional charts, are

you suggesting that both will get> > married at> > > > > > the same time ? Will

their spouses nature will be identical ?> > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > >>

> > > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > > > All

respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > following argument

Appealed me and convinced me about> > > > > the 'Importance' of> > > > > > >

Varga chart > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for

so many matters.> > how to> > > > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka

technology)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for

dharma/spouse, d10> > for> > > > > respect and> > > > > > > work in , d12 for

parents and so on & so forth then it> > > > > automatically brings > > > > > >

> the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to> > see> > > > >

Vimshopak> > > > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3)

Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly > > > > > justied only

by> > > > > > > Difference in Varga charts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > utpal pathak > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> >

> > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > >> > > > > > > That was a brilliant mail.> >

> > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could> > you> > >

> > kindly for the> > > > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual

term and > > give a> > > > > detailed> > > > > > > interpretation.> > > > > > >

best wishes> > > > > > > partha> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah

|| > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > > > Namaskar. As

per your request, I have reread> > > > > the> > > > > > > > postions of the

BPHS which is relevent to your and my > > > > > arguments once> > > > > > > >

more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish> > not to> > > > > > >

> write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue > > > > > against

ill> > > > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You should also

carefully read all my mails before> > > > > commenting.Every> > > > > > > >

varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only> > > > > against > > >

> > > > > varga ''charts''."> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My argument: I will

only use BPHS in my argument.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi

Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later > > eras)> > > > > > > > wrote in

clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save> > space> > > > > but to> > > > >

> > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very> > relevant and > > > >

> > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in> > the> > > > >

BPHS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation> > > > > > > > C.2 -

Great Incarnations of the Lord> > > > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and

Description> > > > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > > > > > C.5 - Finding

Planetary Positions > > > > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > > > > > C.7

- The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign> > > > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration>

> > > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > > > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at

the Time of Birth> > > > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth> > > > > > > > C.12-

Antidotes for Evil> > > > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses> > > > > > > >

C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House> >

> > > > > > (etc.)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it

is very clear that Vargas> > are of> > > > > prime> > > > > > > > importance.

Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra> > Analysis> > > > > **only> > > > > > >

> after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of> > a> > > > > sign,

the> > > > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities. > >

This is> > > > > > > > significant.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You again

said:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution

and fresh mind > > all> > > > > your> > > > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How

to analyse Vargas has been> > clearly> > > > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka

strength in BPHS."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara

went into all the trouble> > of> > > > > details> > > > > > > > of vargas and

presiding deities just to give us a clue> > for> > > > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala

of planets ?? This is a completely > > mistaken> > > > > argument.> > > > > > >

> I will tell you why.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka | > > > > >

> > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||> > > > > > > > Vimsamso

vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah

sasthiamsascha tatah param || > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "These vargas are:

Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,> > > > > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa,

Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,> > Dwadasamamsa, > > > > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa,

Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,> > > > > Trimsamsa,> > > > > > > > Khavedamsa,

Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi (see the

words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly> > clubbed> > > > > > > > together with

other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as> > bhavas> > > > > and> > > > > > > >

perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with> > other> > > > > > >

> vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just> > as> > > > >

rasi> > > > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional > >

chart> > > > > (called> > > > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be

analysed (from C.13> > > > > onwards) will> > > > > > > > show us the way other

varga charts should be analysed. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I will give you

one more indication of the above> > conclusion:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

BPHS C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake

vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here the

Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa, > > > > > Navamamsa,> > > > > >

> > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the> > 12> > > > >

houses**> > > > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16> > > > > vargas

are> > > > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most > >

> > > popular of> > > > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this

expunges all> > doubt.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is

trying to show that varga charts > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > exist because

it becomes difficult to apply bhava> > > > > significances in> > > > > > > >

varga charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You stated:> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for> > father> > > > >

and 4th> > > > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

> > you> > > > > pls> > > > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in

Hora?Hora is a> > division> > > > > not a> > > > > > > > chart- so are other

vargas.After seeing 2nd house > > matters,one> > > > > has to> > > > > > > >

see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength> > of> > > > >

planets> > > > > > > > in Hora."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |> > >

> > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat> || > > > > > > > >

Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > > > > > Kinchivishesam

vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > " Tanu,

Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, > > Randhra,> > > > > Dharma,> > > >

> > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12> > > > >

houses.> > > > > > > > Other things than these should be understood according

to > > > > > one's own> > > > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you

some new things> > which> > > > > I> > > > > > > > heard from the speech of

Lord Brahma" > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other

things than these> > should be> > > > > > > > understood according to one's own

intelligence ** Thus in > > each> > > > > > > > divisional chart each house can

potentially mean> > different> > > > > things> > > > > > > > depending on the

particular varga chart in question !!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #> > > > > 55218 by> > > > >

> > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house> > can> > > > >

mean what > > > > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two

houses> > only.> > > > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that

sense and> > thus you> > > > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for

the 4H or 9H > > as> > > > > they dont> > > > > > > > exist in this particular

chart!! In case of other kinds> > of> > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > charts like

Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > > > > > wealth and> > > > > > >

> 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed> > in> > > > >

earning> > > > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in > >

earning> > > > > wealth> > > > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign > >

the> > > > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.> >

Note that> > > > > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the> >

particular> > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn.

Ex. D-10 is a career> > Varga> > > > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the

native himself in the> > field of> > > > > > > > career. 9H here will show the

nature of guidence and > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > with the guide

(read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career> > > > > field.> > > > > > > > I ask

you to exercise your intelligence and derive the > > > > > significance> > > > >

> > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and> > show> > > > >

you> > > > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely > > is

!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by

answering your> > last> > > > > argument.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You

said: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava

whose lord in> > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is

this bhava found? In > > Rashi> > > > > chakra> > > > > > > > or shastyamsha?

Ask this last question and you will not> > have> > > > > anymore> > > > > > > >

doubts."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6

If you see the> > context> > > > > of> > > > > > > > what Maharshi was talking

about in that portion you will> > see> > > > > that he> > > > > > > > was

speaking about what various vargas signify. In the> > end he> > > > > says> > >

> > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is > > > > >

misleading. I> > > > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There

is no> > doubt> > > > > in the> > > > > > > > destruction of the house whose

lord is in a malefic > > > > > Sashtiamsa" This> > > > > > > > clearly means

that no matter what divisional chart you> > > > > consider, if> > > > > > > >

any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa > > (read> > > > >

ruled> > > > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is> >

> > > definitely> > > > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi

chart, > > thereby> > > > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new> >

to> > > > > this > > > > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous

e-mails.> > You> > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > be too attached to your own

line of thinking and shutting> > away> > > > > > > > others. It's best to

challenge your own self in> > understanding> > > > > rather> > > > > > > > than

jump up and challange other's understandings> > especially of> > > > > > > > the

learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >

> >> >> ===================================================================> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You

can address me without a ji.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think you are

new to this series of discussion on > > > > > vargas.It has> > > > > > > >

been> > > > > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha> >

knows> > > > > what i am> > > > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when

shri Narasimha had> > > > > analysed> > > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > popes

chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > You should also carefully read all my mails before> > > > >

commenting.Every> > > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important

- i am> > only > > > > > against> > > > > > > > varga> > > > > > > > >

''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and> > fresh> > > > > mind

-> > > > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared. > > > > > > > > > How to

analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read> > > > > vimshopaka> > > > > > >

> > strength in BPHS.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In bhava analysis -

Parashara advises 9th house for > > father> > > > > and 4th> > > > > > > > for>

> > > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can> > you> >

> > > pls tell> > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses

in Hora?Hora is a division> > not a> > > > > chart-> > > > > > > > so> > > > >

> > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has> > to> > > > >

see the> > > > > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of>

> planets> > > > > in> > > > > > > > Hora. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic> > > > > shstyamsha will> >

> > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or > > > > >

> > > shastyamsha?> > > > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have

anymore> > doubts.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >

Pradeep> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology , "Sourav> > Chowdhury"> > > > > > > > >

<sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama

Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > >

> > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you> > > > > > > > > >

haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi> > chart.> > > > >

Infact he> > > > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart

> > doesn't> > > > > allow> > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > event, it will

not happen even if indications are> > there in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > >

higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS, > > Maharshi> > > > > Parasara>

> > > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.> >

effectively> > > > > > > > defining> > > > > > > > > > the varga charts) and

then went on into bhava > > analysis.> > > > > Why so> > > > > > > > much> > >

> > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances, > >

the> > > > > same 4H> > > > > > > > shows> > > > > > > > > > motherly

relationship, house, heart, vehicles> > happiness> > > > > and so> > > > > > >

> on. > > > > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart>

> and> > > > > then go> > > > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you

might be> > mislead.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > ideal> > > > > > > > > > is to

mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. There is

the beautiful example of twins who are > > born> > > > > very> > > > > > > >

close> > > > > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different> >

> > > capabilities> > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > personalities. You can

read the details that Guru> > > > > Narasimha-ji> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > >

> > > posted in his website > >

www.vedicastrologer.com<http://www.vedicastrologer.com/>. Kindly> > > > > read

it> > > > > > > > > > before making further comments. > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is> > beneficial to> >

> > > > > > learning.> > > > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a

Guru's remark for > > the> > > > > same of> > > > > > > > > > argument, I think

it doesn't stand good for the> > purpose of> > > > > > > > learning.> > > > > >

> > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and > > meant and> > > > >

not> > > > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

Sourav> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> >>

=====================================================================> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > vedic-> >

astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in

pointing the> > imperfections.Now you> > > > > have> > > > > > > > said> > > >

> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I> > have> > > >

> not> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on

how to analyse> > rashi> > > > > chakra> > > > > > > > > > > properly.It will

take many years to master.Also on> > one> > > > > hand> > > > > > > > you> > >

> > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas

and on the > > other> > > > > hand -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > there

is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the> > main> > > > > why do> > > > > >

> > you > > > > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.> >

> > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you> > give so> >

> > > many > > > > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > > > > in your software based on

Rashi chakra - pertaining> > to> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > aspects.If

Rashi chakra is just for physique - how> > will> > > > > we see> > > > > > > >

the> > > > > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How> >

will> > > > > we> > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the

yoga for learning.If 10 th> > house> > > > > and 10th> > > > > > > > > > lord >

> > > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house''> > and>

> > > > lord> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > >

Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha> > > > > P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > > > >

> > > < pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails

> > on> > > > > multiple> > > > > > > > > > lists.> > > > > > > > > > > These

days I've been really busy and cannot give a> > more> > > > > > > > detailed >

> > > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any> > further> >

> > > replies> > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > this thread. > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for>

> Marktl,> > > > > > > > > > Germany?> > > > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees> > > >

> > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be > >

1:00,> > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to

6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

Bottomline is: I did not know the time and > > rectified> > > > > lagna> > > >

> > > > in> > > > > > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > > > > > and various divisions

by retro-fitting.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in> > Venus> >

> > > mahadasa!> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and

Moon > > Antardasa.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you

are right. There is a bug in my> > software> > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > >

> second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for > > pointing> > > > > this> >

> > > > > > out.> > > > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use > > Shashtihayani

dasa> > > > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > age of 60

has passed is debatable. The same holds> > for> > > > > other > > > > > > > >

dasas.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed

that the Rashi chakra was> > not> > > > > given > > > > > > > > due> > > > > >

> > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were

decided on> > the> > > > > basis of > > > > > > > > > > varga -> > > > > > > >

> > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > > > > > analysis -

Pls> > > > > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > >

clear is it possible to deduce results from > > varga of> > > > > a> > > > > >

> > > > > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had

questioned a similar> > > > > analysis on > > > > > > > > > > > saptamsha -> >

> > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and> > > > >

> > > correcting -> > > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I

would be pleased> > to> > > > > know if> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > >

hold a> > > > > > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY> > position.> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional

charts should> > be> > > > > judged> > > > > > > > > > > together. We are often

doing imperfect astrology > > for the> > > > > sake> > > > > > > > of> > > > > >

> > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best> > answer> > > > > is

not> > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of

charts.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a

single chart, I'll > > choose> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > applicable varga

(e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for> > > > > education> > > > > > > > etc)> > > > >

> > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it > > works> > > > >

way> > > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions

leads to > > better> > > > > results,> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > is>

> > > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come> > only

when > > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and> >

used.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the

matters seen in various > > > > > divisions> > > > > > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > >

> > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,> > > > > > > >

professional > > > > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything"

is seen> > in D-> > > > > 60.> > > > > > > > Also> > > > > > > > > > in > > > >

> > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets> > a> > > > >

higher> > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is

an> > imperfect> > > > > > > > subject> > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >

> > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was> > given> > > > > so> > >

> > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be

established > > as a> > > > > > > > science> > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > >

> > > > > when we master D-60.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Kalyan verma states - one who is not> > considering the> > > > > > > > vargas>

> > > > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What

does this mean?> > Doesn't> > > > > it mean> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > >

> > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than

vargas) - to > > read> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > results?> > > > > > > > >

> > Which> > > > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > > > chakra?> > > > > > > > Division> > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > >

> > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So> > which> > > > > is this>

> > > > > > > > > main?> > > > > > > > > > > If we> > > > > > > > > > > > >

consider Rashi chakra as the first division - > > then> > > > > where> > > > >

> > > is> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > main?> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the> >

vargas> > > > > > > > > > according> > > > > > > > > > > to Parasara. > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary.

If> > you ask> > > > > me to> > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > the

most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-> > 60. As I> > > > > > > > > >

mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in

D-60 > > and> > > > > gave> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > >

> > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when> > defining > > > > >

dasa> > > > > > > > varga> > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct !

If we apply common sense, we can see> > > > > Vargas> > > > > > > > repeating> >

> > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only > > the Moon>

> > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions > > have> > > > > >

> > different> > > > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,> >

chaturvimsamsa> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I

identified in Aries rasi > > lagna> > > > > does> > > > > > > > not> > > > > >

> > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any > > predictive> > > > > >

> > principle is> > > > > > > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > > > > > >

predictions, which they always elude. Veteran> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > >

> of> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri

K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji > > too> > > > > advised> > > > > > > > them,> > >

> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is

being > > misguided.> > > > > Most> > > > > > > > > > > unfortunate !> > > > >

> > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will> > of> > > > >

the God. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite

presumptuous of some to believe> > that "a> > > > > whole> > > > > > > > > > >

generation is being misguided". Whether a > > generation is> > > > > being> > >

> > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to> > fully> > > >

> discover> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and

establish astrology as a > > > > > science is> > > > > > > > > > > something

that the coming generations will judge.> > > > > Neither I> > > > > > > > nor>

> > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.>

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your

work. There is > > no> > > > > need to> > > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > > >

about misguided generations.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is > > well> > > > > placed> > > >

> > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > even exalted,> > > > > > > > > > > > > then

longevity will be long - This is also > > applied> > > > > in the> > > > > > >

> > > method> > > > > > > > > > > of three> > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You

may argue that the eighth lord when > > > > > strong will> > > > > > > > > >

cause> > > > > > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > > > > > but Harihara

states in Prasna Marga, that when > > the> > > > > planets> > > > > > > > are>

> > > > > > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > > > > > > will give their

auspicious results - he states > > that> > > > > this> > > > > > > > > >

applies> > > > > > > > > > > to both> > > > > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna

charts. Further being Vara > > lord and> > > > > in> > > > > > > > the> > > > >

> > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is

excellent and > > excellent> > > > > health> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > >

> promised. This> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of> >

vaaresha> > > > > but> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > the ownership of

the vaaresha. If the weekday lord > > in a> > > > > > > > muhurta> > > > > > > >

> > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it> > > > > auspicious.> > > >

> > > > This is> > > > > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by

> > classics. If> > > > > you> > > > > > > > have a> > > > > > > > > > >

different view, I can respect it.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> [Visti] What is your current view on the use of > > the> > > > > > > > arudha>

> > > > > > > > > > lagna in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > calculation of

vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't

have any view. I spent so much time> > > > > mulling> > > > > > > > over> > > >

> > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat > > kendra> > > > >

> > > naathaanaam> > > > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but

could not come> > to a> > > > > > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope> > > > >

Benedict> > > > > > > > XVI's> > > > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the

"swaaroodhaat" criterion. > > I> > > > > used only> > > > > > > > the> > > > >

> > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional> > clause.> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I

will> > understand> > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > clause> > > > > > > > > > >

correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding > > with> > > > > all.> > >

> > > > > For> > > > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the > > popes> >

> > > chart -> > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > rectification.> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a

Jyotish > > scholar> > > > > of> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > >

knowledge and abilities has concurred with my> > > > > rectification.> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Nobody claims to be a guru here. Everyone is appointed or selected based upon

certain standards and competence. Your point that two SJC gurus failed you is

not relevant or valid to prove that the principles taught are wrong. People are

not technique themselves. People are people.

 

Why dont you try them first and then make judgements. If you have tried the

techniques unbiasedly you might have got something. But the problem is that you

already met Shri KN Rao and were not going to believe that there can be another

school or another set of interpretations. Your subconscious mind was aready

aware of the answer that you were seeking for which is SJC techniques are

wrong. You will only see what you want to see. You cannot see what you dont

want to see. Does it make any sense? You cannot believe your own self. You seek

people from BVB and others for validation of what your mind tells you. When the

lord Sits in your heart, why go for external proofs? Any way it is your life,

why the heck i should preach you? Why should i or anyone else try to convince

you, when you just cannot see other side of the coin. I am sorry, this is my

last attempt to talk on this subject to you. If i have hurt your sentiments,

then i seek forgiveness. All the best for your studies and pursuits.

 

 

Passing judgements is the easiest thing in the world, just like Arun Lal

Commenting on Sehwag's technique, Ravi Shastri talking about the cover drive of

Inzamam. The Irony is that Arun lal never scored a century, Ravi Shastri never

hit a cover drive.

Same goes with the so called Punditji who is commenting on the predictive

ability of astrologers here including mine.

best wishes

partha

 

On 4/24/05, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:

Brilliant Punditji ! That is what I too stress, always. One should be able to

predict at least basic trends, if not events. Then your claim to your method

deserve serious attention. If anybody claims Guru status, he should demonstrate

his superior (to others) predictive competence to convince fellow students. I

have had personal experience with two such self proclaimed SJC Gurus and I feel

I am 10 times (at least) better than those fellows so far predictive astrology

is concerned. In my life till date only Shri K.N.Rao could satisfy me by

telling life patterns on his own (sometimes in early nineties). Except Mundane

astrology, his success rate in natal predictions is very high. Even in Mundane

astrology, he had consistently given Monsoon forecasts, much better than

meteorologists. I had attended his lectures in BVB and heard him speaking in

one seminar in Jaipur (Rajasthan) for one hour. The impression I had will

remain with me all through my life. I am sure that any sane brain from this

list will have the same impression I had, if he / she just listens to him even

once. That is why I request all to learn and follow his principles.

 

Praveen kumar (Mumbai)

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Panditji

vedic astrology

 

23, 04, 2005 8:47 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Multiple replies / Shri Utpal /Panditji

Namaste,On the same token lets make it even simpler. Can you confidentlypredict

when any native will get married and when he will change thejob, when they will

have a child, etc. Why go to twins when I have not

seen many on this list ,gurus or no gurus predict these things fornatives

correctly. If you think with a rational hat, you may realizethat you are

saying ,you can predict these things for twins withdivisions( divisional

charts) with a time difference of 2-4 minutes.

Are you suggesting then that every chart you get, the birth time isaccurate to

within 2 minutes.Before wasting our precious resources on trying to kiss a

camel's buttwhich is too high, lets see whether we have predictive accuracy on

charts of natives who are not twins. After we have achieved that thengo on to

solving these complex riddles.I do not see much eveidence of mastery of life

patterns from charts ofnatives who are not twins. Again I do not mean after the

fact

explaining, I mean prediction. When you have a live chart in front ofyou with a

real life question, can you identify with high degree ofaccuracy the past

events and then predict the future event/treand with

a high degree of accuracy ?Lets answer that first before we think too highly of

our owncapabilities and reach for the stars. BTW reaching for the moon is

anoble idea, but first can we even fly a kite ?

....On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu > wrote:> Dear Utpal>

> This point will never strike them, never i mean till the day they realise>

their folly.> We should give charts of twins to our great intellectuals and ask

them when> the first one got married and when the second one. predict their

profession

> and experiences without using "ANY OTHER DIVISIONAL CHART". > > best wishes>

partha> > > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <

vedic_pathak > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Partha Garu,> > > > That is

why precisely i mentioned the following lines.> > > > [WITHOUT TAKING ANY HEPL

FROM ANY OTHER VARGAS > > and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how

you convincingly> > suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of

Spouses]> > > > Regards,> > > > Pathak

> > > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy> > <

partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Utpal> > > I have given the answer to the

puzzle of same navamsas for> > marriage timing> > > in other message.> > > The

answer to such puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa > > shows "*KARMA"* to be> > >

experienced in this life.> > > best wishes> > > partha> > >> > >> > > On

4/23/05, Utpal Pathak <

vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both

deserve to be JI for Me) > > > > Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give

importance (pl.

> > read Much)> > > > to it. if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed

with so> > much intrest> > > > in judging any chart then the same logic should

also apply to > > other Varga> > > > Charts.> > > > You asked following

things> > > > > > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained>

> > > > with

> > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get > > married

at> > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?> > >

> I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am

> > very> > > > very curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any

> > help from> > > > any other Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha &

Rashi,

> > how you> > > > convincingly suggest to find out the marriage timing and

nature> > of Spouses> > > > etc..> > > > At least the other Vargas provide

some Valuable insight in to > > the> > > > differences in the different areas

of lives of twins. if not d9> > then d10 or> > > > D12 or D16 or D24 or D30 OR

Shatyamsa.> > > > For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in

Similar > > field> > > > (Cricket) but their Achievements, Span of Career,

Exploits &> > Talents were> > > > not Identical. i don't have their birth

detials but they may have

> > same d10> > > > along with same rasi chart ofcourse. > > > > pl. take it

very positively and answer to me for the benefit of> > every> > > > body

> > > > Regards,> > > > Utpal> > > >> > > > *Panditji <navagraha@g...>*

wrote:> > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

> > > >> > > > What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?> > > >> > > >

Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of > > > > divisional

charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

> > not> > > > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are

there> > are> > > > a few versions of rashi charts as well ? > > > >> > > > ...

> > > >> > > > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> >

> > >> > > > > Dear Panditji> > > > >> > > > > Medical science says average

time gap between twins are 15-17 > > > > > minutes.Thus twins can be born

between 10 minutes as well as 30> > > > > minutes.> > > > >> > > > > Thus as

you have said - there can be possibility that twins can

> > have> > > > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.> >

> > >> > > > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > > > > bhavas here.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > >

> >

vedic astrology, Panditji> > <navagraha@g...>> > > > > wrote: >

> > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a

chart of twins a couple of

> > months> > > > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be >

> explained> > > > > with> > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that

both will get

> > married at> > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be

identical ?> > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > > > All

respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

would like to add my 2 cent...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > following argument

Appealed me and convinced me about> > > > > the 'Importance' of

> > > > > > > Varga chart > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi

chart stands for so many matters.> > how to> > > > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i

know karka technology)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse,

d10> > for> > > > > respect and> > > > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on

& so forth then it

> > > > > automatically brings > > > > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts'

and not merely tool to> > see> > > > > Vimshopak> > > > > > > bal,

Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most

fittingly > > > > > justied only by> > > > > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > utpal pathak > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > >> > > > > > > That

was a brilliant mail.> > > > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa

sloka. Could> > you> > > > > kindly for the

> > > > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and > > give

a> > > > > detailed> > > > > > > interpretation.> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > partha> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On

4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <

sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > || Hare Rama

Krishna ||> > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread> >

> > > the

> > > > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my > > > > >

arguments once> > > > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply.

I wish

> > not to> > > > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to

argue > > > > > against ill> > > > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is

in your reply.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You

should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > > commenting.Every> > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is

important - i am only> > > > > against > > > > > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my

argument.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of

his era and later > > eras)> > > > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also

pithy form so save> > space> > > > > but to> > > > > > > > deliver the message

clearly. So each word is very

> > relevant and > > > > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of

chapters in> > the> > > > > BPHS.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation> > > > > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of

the Lord> > > > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs> > > > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary

Positions > > > > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants> > > > > > > > C.7 - The

Sixteen Divisions of a Sign> > > > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration> > >

> > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs> > > > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the

Time of Birth> > > > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth> > > > > > > > C.12-

Antidotes for Evil> > > > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House> > > > > > > > C.15- Effects of

the 2nd House> > > > > > > > (etc.)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the

scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas> > are of> > > > > prime> > > >

> > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra

> > Analysis> > > > > **only> > > > > > > > after** defining in details all the

sixteen divisions of> > a> > > > > sign, the> > > > > > > > formulation of

these vargas and the presiding deities. > > This is> > > > > > > >

significant.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You again said:> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind > > all>

> > > > your> > > > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has

been

> > clearly> > > > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble

> > of> > > > > details> > > > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to

give us a clue> > for> > > > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a

completely > > mistaken> > > > > argument.> > > > > > > > I will tell you why.>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah

saptamamsaka | > > > > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |> > > > > > > >

khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param || > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,> > > >

> > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,> > Dwadasamamsa, > > >

> > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,> > > > >

Trimsamsa,> > > > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is

clearly> > clubbed> > > > > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat

rasi's as

> > bhavas> > > > > and> > > > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we

do the same with> > other> > > > > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions

of the zodiac just

> > as> > > > > rasi> > > > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a

divisional > > chart> > > > > (called> > > > > > > > D-1) and the way it is

going to be analysed (from C.13> > > > > onwards) will> > > > > > > > show us

the way other varga charts should be analysed. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I

will give you one more indication of the above

> > conclusion:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

Chaturthamsa, > > > > > Navamamsa,> > > > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras

will be studies **like the

> > 12> > > > > houses**> > > > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > > > > vargas are> > > > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just

like the most > > > > > popular of> > > > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga

chart. I hope this expunges all> > doubt.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Your

next argument is trying to show that varga charts > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava> > > > >

significances in> > > > > > > > varga charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You stated:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara

advises 9th house for> > father

> > > > > and 4th> > > > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

vargas. Can > > you> > > > > pls> > > > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th

houses in Hora?Hora is a

> > division> > > > > not a> > > > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After

seeing 2nd house > > matters,one> > > > > has to> > > > > > > > see the planets

Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength> > of> > > > > planets> > > > > > > >

in Hora."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |> > > > > > > >

Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah kramat

> || > > > > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |> > > > > > >

> Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati, > > Randhra,>

> > > > Dharma,> > > > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of

the 12

> > > > > houses.> > > > > > > > Other things than these should be understood

according to > > > > > one's own> > > > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to

tell you some new things

> > which> > > > > I> > > > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma" > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

> > should be> > > > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence **

Thus in > > each> > > > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially

mean

> > different> > > > > things> > > > > > > > depending on the particular varga

chart in question !!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This responds to your

second argument. Refer to Message #

> > > > > 55218 by> > > > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding

what house> > can> > > > > mean what > > > > > > > > in a particular Varga.

Parasari Hora Chart has two houses

> > only.> > > > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and>

> thus you> > > > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or

9H > > as> > > > > they dont> > > > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In

case of other kinds> > of> > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > charts like Kashinatha

Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding > > > > > wealth and> > > > > > > > 9H can

mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed> > in> > > > > earning> > >

> > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in > > earning> > >

> > wealth> > > > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign > > the> > > > > >

> > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.> > Note that> > > > >

> > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

> > particular> > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is

Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career> > Varga> > > > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows

the native himself in the

> > field of> > > > > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or

'authority') in the career

> > > > > field.> > > > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and

derive the > > > > > significance> > > > > > > > of each divisional chart. It

will help you immensely and

> > show> > > > > you> > > > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of

Maharsi truely > > is !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. I will end my

prolonged monologue by answering your

> > last> > > > > argument.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava

found? In > > Rashi> > > > > chakra> > > > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this

last question and you will not

> > have> > > > > anymore> > > > > > > > doubts."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the> > context> > > > > of> >

> > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will> > see> > >

> > that he

> > > > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the> > end

he> > > > > says> > > > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the

statement is > > > > > misleading. I> > > > > > > > will take what Sri G. C.

Sharma has given "There is no> > doubt> > > > > in the> > > > > > > >

destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic > > > > > Sashtiamsa" This>

> > > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you> > > > >

consider, if> > > > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad

Sashtiamsa > > (read> > > > > ruled> > > > > > > > by a malefic deity), that

house in that varga chart is> > > > > definitely> > > > > > > > going to

suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart, > > thereby> > > > > > > > indicating

any divisional chart.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps.

It doesn't matter if I am new

> > to> > > > > this > > > > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your

previous e-mails.> > You> > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > be too attached to

your own line of thinking and shutting

> > away> > > > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in> >

understanding> > > > > rather> > > > > > > > than jump up and challange other's

understandings

> > especially of> > > > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru

Narasimha-ji.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> >>

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> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vedic- > >

astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear shri

Saurav

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You can address me without a ji.> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on > > > >

> vargas.It has> > > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > going on since long.More

than a year.Shri Narasimha> > knows> > > > > what i am

> > > > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had> > > >

> analysed> > > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > popes chart without giving

importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails

before> > > > > commenting.Every> > > > > > > > > varga defined by sage

parashara is important - i am

> > only > > > > > against> > > > > > > > varga> > > > > > > > > ''charts''.If

you read those chapters with caution and> > fresh

> > > > > mind -> > > > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared. > > > > > > >

> > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > > > > vimshopaka> > > > > > > > > strength in BPHS.> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for > > father> > > >

> and 4th> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra

not for vargas. Can> > you

> > > > > pls tell> > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th

houses in Hora?Hora is a division> > not a> > > > > chart-

> > > > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

matters,one has> > to> > > > > see the> > > > > > > > > planets Hora

placement.BPHS explains the strength of> > planets> > > > > in> > > > > > > >

Hora. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose

lord in benefic

> > > > > shstyamsha will> > > > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found?

In Rashi chakra or > > > > > > > > shastyamsha?> > > > > > > > > Ask this last

question and you will not have anymore

> > doubts.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

vedic astrology , "Sourav> > Chowdhury"> > > > > > > > >

<sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama

Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,> > > > > > > > > >

Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments. > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi

> > chart.> > > > > Infact he> > > > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons

that if Rasi chart > > doesn't> > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if

indications are> > there in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > higher divisional

chart. If you have read BPHS, > > Maharshi> > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > > > >

has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.> > effectively> > > > > > > >

defining

> > > > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava > > analysis.>

> > > > Why so> > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > importance to varga charts

by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many

significances, > > the> > > > > same 4H> > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles> > happiness>

> > > > and so> > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > If you try to get all

predictions done by rasi chart

> > and> > > > > then go> > > > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check,

you might be> > mislead.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are > > born> > > >

> very> > > > > > > > close> > > > > > > > > > in time to each other and have

completely different> > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details

that Guru> > > > > Narasimha-ji> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > posted in his website > > www.vedicastrologer.com

<http://www.vedicastrologer.com/>. Kindly> > > > > read it> > > > > > > > > >

before making further comments. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I like

to see many schools of thought. It is> > beneficial to> > > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for > > the>

> > > > same of> > > > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for

the

> > purpose of> > > > > > > > learning.> > > > > > > > > > I hope I will be

taken based on what I wrote and > > meant and> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

>

> >> =====================================================================> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > > > > <

vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in

pointing the> > imperfections.Now you> > > > > have> > > > > > > > said> > > >

> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I> > have> > > >

> not> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on

how to analyse> > rashi

> > > > > chakra> > > > > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to

master.Also on> > one> > > > > hand> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with

Vargas and on the > > other> > > > > hand -

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is

not the> > main> > > > > why do> > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > want

to use them in combination with Vargas?.> > > > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi

chakra is not the main why do you> > give so

> > > > > many > > > > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > > > > in your software based

on Rashi chakra - pertaining> > to> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how> >

will> > > > > we see> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > qualities of

Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How

> > will> > > > > we> > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga -

the yoga for learning.If 10 th> > house

> > > > > and 10th> > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra

is physical ,what is 10th ''house''> > and

> > > > > lord> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > dashamsha. > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha> > > > >

P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > > > < pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

friends,> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails > > on>

> > > > multiple> > > > > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a> >

more> > > > > > > > detailed > > > > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be

able to give any

> > further> > > > > replies> > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for> >

Marktl,> > > > > > > > > > Germany?> > > > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.> > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be >

> 1:00,> > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to

6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and > >

rectified> > > > > lagna> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in> > Venus> >

> > > mahadasa!> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and

Moon > > Antardasa.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you

are right. There is a bug in my> > software

> > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks

for > > pointing> > > > > this> > > > > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

> Technically, BTW, whether we can use > > Shashtihayani dasa> > > > > > > >

after> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is

debatable. The same holds

> > for> > > > > other > > > > > > > > dasas.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was

> > not> > > > > given > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > respect> > > > >

> > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on> > the> > > > >

basis of > > > > > > > > > > varga -> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is derived

from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are

observing this > > > > > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

is it possible to deduce results from > > varga of> > > > > a> > > > > > > > >

> > planet/lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a

similar

> > > > > analysis on > > > > > > > > > > > saptamsha -> > > > > > > > > > > > >

One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > > > > > correcting -> > > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi

chakra.I would be pleased> > to> > > > > know if

> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > hold a> > > > > > > > > > > > >

different position. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY> >

position.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection,

multiple divisional charts should

> > be> > > > > judged> > > > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing

imperfect astrology > > for the> > > > > sake> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best> > answer>

> > > > is not> > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > single chart, but a

combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single

chart, I'll > > choose> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for> > > > >

education> > > > > > > > etc)> > > > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart.

Though imperfect, it > > works> > > > > way> > > > > > > > better> > > > > > >

> > > > for me than rasi chart alone.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to > > better>

> > > > results,> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come> > only

when > > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and

> > used.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined

the matters seen in various > > > > > divisions

> > > > > > > > > > (e.g.> > > > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi,

financial matters in D-2,> > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > >

matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen> > in D-> > > > > 60.> > >

> > > > > Also

> > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa

varga, D-60 gets> > a> > > > > higher> > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi

and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the

Jyotish is an> > imperfect> > > > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores

D-60, which was> > given> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be

established > > as a> > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > when we master D-60.> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

> > considering the> > > > > > > > vargas> > > > > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > >

> > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean?> > Doesn't> > > > > it

mean> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > >

> is someother place - (other than vargas) - to > > read> > > > > the> > > > >

> > > > > results?> > > > > > > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > > > > > > is this

other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > > > > > chakra?> > > > > > > >

Division> > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a

main to get divided.So> > which> > > > > is this> > > > > > > > > > main?> > >

> > > > > > > > If we> > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the

first division - > > then> > > > > where> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > >

the> > > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too.

It is one of the> > vargas> > > > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > > to Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

> There is nothing called main and secondary. If

> > you ask> > > > > me to> > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > the

most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-

> > 60. As I> > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > above, Parasara

said everything can be seen in D-60 > > and> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > weightage than

rasi and navamsa combined, when> > defining > > > > > dasa> > > > > > > >

varga> > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If

we apply common sense, we can see> > > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > > repeating> > > > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few

hours before. Only > > the Moon> > > > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do

not exactly repeat. Different divisions > > have> > > > > > > > different> > >

> > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,> > chaturvimsamsa> >

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi > >

lagna> > > > > does> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces

rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone

of any > > predictive> > > > > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > > > > advance> > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they

always elude. Veteran> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > > > > > > > Group

like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji > > too> > > > > advised> > > > > > > >

them,> > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole

generation is being > > misguided.> > > > > Most> > > > > > > > > > >

unfortunate !> > > > > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao

says, it is the will> > of> > > > > the God. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe

> > that "a> > > > > whole> > > > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided".

Whether a > > generation is> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to> > fully>

> > > > discover> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis

and establish astrology as a > > > > > science is> > > > > > > > > > > something

that the coming generations will judge.> > > > > Neither I> > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge

it.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do

your work. There is > > no> > > > > need to> > > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > >

> > > about misguided generations.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is > >

well> > > > > placed> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also > >

applied> > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > > of three> > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue

that the eighth lord when > > > > > strong will

> > > > > > > > > > cause> > > > > > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > > > >

> but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when > > the> > > > > planets> > >

> > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > strong they> > > > > > > > > > > > > will

give their auspicious results - he states > > that> > > > > this> > > > > > > >

> > applies> > > > > > > > > > > to both> > > > > > > > > > > > > natal and

prasna charts. Further being Vara > > lord and> > > > > in> > > > > > > > the>

> > > > > > > > > > fifth house, it> > > > > > > > > > > > > means the

digestive fire is excellent and > > excellent> > > > > health> > > > > > > >

is> > > > > > > > > > > promised. This> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not the

problem.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the

placement of> > vaaresha> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the

weekday lord > > in a> > > > > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it> > > > >

auspicious.> > > > > > > > This is> > > > > > > > > > > just my view and not

explicitly granted by > > classics. If> > > > > you> > > > > > > > have a> > >

> > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of > >

the> > > > > > > > arudha> > > > > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > > > > mulling> > > > > > > > over> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's

vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat > > kendra> > > > > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come> > to

a> > > > > > > > conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope> > > > > Benedict> > > > > >

> > XVI's> > > > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat"

criterion. > > I> > > > > used only> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >

standard definition and ignoring the additional> > clause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses

me, I will> > understand> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > clause> > > > > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will

share my understanding > > with> > > > > all.

> > > > > > > > For> > > > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.> > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the > >

popes> > > > > chart -> > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > rectification.>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish > >

scholar> > > > > of> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and

abilities has concurred with my

> > > > > rectification.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May

Jupiter's light shine on us,> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

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Namaste partvinu

 

John Buchanan was never a player of great repute but he has molded the

Australin team into the world beaters. So your point is illconceived.

You seem to be too young according to Mr. Kramer, so I really do not

want to engage in a debate with you. Get a few grey hair atleast and

then preach.

 

....

 

On 4/26/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote:

> Dear Praveen and navagraha

>

> Nobody claims to be a guru here. Everyone is appointed or selected based

> upon certain standards and competence. Your point that two SJC gurus failed

> you is not relevant or valid to prove that the principles taught are wrong.

> People are not technique themselves. People are people.

>

> Why dont you try them first and then make judgements. If you have tried the

> techniques unbiasedly you might have got something. But the problem is that

> you already met Shri KN Rao and were not going to believe that there can be

> another school or another set of interpretations. Your subconscious mind was

> aready aware of the answer that you were seeking for which is SJC techniques

> are wrong. You will only see what you want to see. You cannot see what you

> dont want to see. Does it make any sense? You cannot believe your own self.

> You seek people from BVB and others for validation of what your mind tells

> you. When the lord Sits in your heart, why go for external proofs? Any way

> it is your life, why the heck i should preach you? Why should i or anyone

> else try to convince you, when you just cannot see other side of the coin. I

> am sorry, this is my last attempt to talk on this subject to you. If i have

> hurt your sentiments, then i seek forgiveness. All the best for your studies

> and pursuits.

>

>

> Passing judgements is the easiest thing in the world, just like Arun Lal

> Commenting on Sehwag's technique, Ravi Shastri talking about the cover drive

> of Inzamam. The Irony is that Arun lal never scored a century, Ravi Shastri

> never hit a cover drive.

> Same goes with the so called Punditji who is commenting on the predictive

> ability of astrologers here including mine.

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

>

> On 4/24/05, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 wrote:

> >

> > Brilliant Punditji ! That is what I too stress, always. One should be able

> to predict at least basic trends, if not events. Then your claim to your

> method deserve serious attention. If anybody claims Guru status, he should

> demonstrate his superior (to others) predictive competence to convince

> fellow students. I have had personal experience with two such self

> proclaimed SJC Gurus and I feel I am 10 times (at least) better than those

> fellows so far predictive astrology is concerned. In my life till date only

> Shri K.N.Rao could satisfy me by telling life patterns on his own (sometimes

> in early nineties). Except Mundane astrology, his success rate in natal

> predictions is very high. Even in Mundane astrology, he had consistently

> given Monsoon forecasts, much better than meteorologists. I had attended his

> lectures in BVB and heard him speaking in one seminar in Jaipur (Rajasthan)

> for one hour. The impression I had will remain with me all through my life.

> I am sure that any sane brain from this list will have the same impression I

> had, if he / she just listens to him even once. That is why I request all to

> learn and follow his principles.

> >

> > Praveen kumar (Mumbai)

> >

> > -

> > Panditji

> > vedic astrology

> > 23, 04, 2005 8:47 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Multiple replies / Shri Utpal /Panditji

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > On the same token lets make it even simpler. Can you confidently

> > predict when any native will get married and when he will change the

> > job, when they will have a child, etc. Why go to twins when I have not

> > seen many on this list ,gurus or no gurus predict these things for

> > natives correctly. If you think with a rational hat, you may realize

> > that you are saying ,you can predict these things for twins with

> > divisions( divisional charts) with a time difference of 2-4 minutes.

> > Are you suggesting then that every chart you get, the birth time is

> > accurate to within 2 minutes.

> >

> > Before wasting our precious resources on trying to kiss a camel's butt

> > which is too high, lets see whether we have predictive accuracy on

> > charts of natives who are not twins. After we have achieved that then

> > go on to solving these complex riddles.

> >

> > I do not see much eveidence of mastery of life patterns from charts of

> > natives who are not twins. Again I do not mean after the fact

> > explaining, I mean prediction. When you have a live chart in front of

> > you with a real life question, can you identify with high degree of

> > accuracy the past events and then predict the future event/treand with

> > a high degree of accuracy ?

> >

> > Lets answer that first before we think too highly of our own

> > capabilities and reach for the stars. BTW reaching for the moon is a

> > noble idea, but first can we even fly a kite ?

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> > On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote:

> > > Dear Utpal

> > >

> > > This point will never strike them, never i mean till the day they

> realise

> > > their folly.

> > > We should give charts of twins to our great intellectuals and ask them

> when

> > > the first one got married and when the second one. predict their

> profession

> > > and experiences without using "ANY OTHER DIVISIONAL CHART".

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak < vedic_pathak wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Partha Garu,

> > > >

> > > > That is why precisely i mentioned the following lines.

> > > >

> > > > [WITHOUT TAKING ANY HEPL FROM ANY OTHER VARGAS

> > > > and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi, how you convincingly

> > > > suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature of Spouses]

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pathak

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

> > > > < partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > > I have given the answer to the puzzle of same navamsas for

> > > > marriage timing

> > > > > in other message.

> > > > > The answer to such puzzles is SHASTYAMSA. Shastyamsa

> > > > shows "*KARMA"* to be

> > > > > experienced in this life.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/23/05, Utpal Pathak < vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be JI for Me)

> > > > > > Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give importance (pl.

> > > > read Much)

> > > > > > to it. if D9 Chart, being a Varga chart can be analysed with so

> > > > much intrest

> > > > > > in judging any chart then the same logic should also apply to

> > > > other Varga

> > > > > > Charts.

> > > > > > You asked following things

> > > > > > > > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be explained

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

> > > > married at

> > > > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > > > > > I am really surprised about your question at the same time I am

> > > > very

> > > > > > very curious to know the answer for you. Without not taking any

> > > > help from

> > > > > > any other Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha & Rashi,

> > > > how you

> > > > > > convincingly suggest to find out the marriage timing and nature

> > > > of Spouses

> > > > > > etc..

> > > > > > At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable insight in to

> > > > the

> > > > > > differences in the different areas of lives of twins. if not d9

> > > > then d10 or

> > > > > > D12 or D16 or D24 or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

> > > > > > For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career in Similar

> > > > field

> > > > > > (Cricket) but their Achievements, Span of Career, Exploits &

> > > > Talents were

> > > > > > not Identical. i don't have their birth detials but they may have

> > > > same d10

> > > > > > along with same rasi chart ofcourse.

> > > > > > pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the benefit of

> > > > every

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Utpal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Panditji <navagraha@g...>* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many versions of

> > > > > > divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if the data does

> > > > not

> > > > > > fit, try the different flavor of navansha or saptamsha. Are there

> > > > are

> > > > > > a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Panditji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Medical science says average time gap between twins are 15-17

> > > > > > > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes as well as 30

> > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility that twins can

> > > > have

> > > > > > > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same dashamsha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas and dashamsha

> > > > > > > bhavas here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > > > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins a couple of

> > > > months

> > > > > > > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can be

> > > > explained

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both will get

> > > > married at

> > > > > > > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will be identical ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha & Philosophy,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced me about

> > > > > > > the 'Importance' of

> > > > > > > > > Varga chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so many matters.

> > > > how to

> > > > > > > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for dharma/spouse, d10

> > > > for

> > > > > > > respect and

> > > > > > > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth then it

> > > > > > > automatically brings

> > > > > > > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not merely tool to

> > > > see

> > > > > > > Vimshopak

> > > > > > > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be most fittingly

> > > > > > > justied only by

> > > > > > > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > > > > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa sloka. Could

> > > > you

> > > > > > > kindly for the

> > > > > > > > > benefit of the readers, explain each individual term and

> > > > give a

> > > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > interpretation.

> > > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury < sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. As per your request, I have reread

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to your and my

> > > > > > > arguments once

> > > > > > > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this reply. I wish

> > > > not to

> > > > > > > > > > write any more in this subject as it is useless to argue

> > > > > > > against ill

> > > > > > > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your reply.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am only

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my argument.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his era and later

> > > > eras)

> > > > > > > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy form so save

> > > > space

> > > > > > > but to

> > > > > > > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is very

> > > > relevant and

> > > > > > > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of chapters in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > BPHS.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > > > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > > > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > > > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > > > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > > > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > > > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > > > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > > > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > > > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > > > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > > > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > > > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > > > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > > > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > > > > > > (etc.)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear that Vargas

> > > > are of

> > > > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi Chakra

> > > > Analysis

> > > > > > > **only

> > > > > > > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen divisions of

> > > > a

> > > > > > > sign, the

> > > > > > > > > > formulation of these vargas and the presiding deities.

> > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > significant.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You again said:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and fresh mind

> > > > all

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse Vargas has been

> > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all the trouble

> > > > of

> > > > > > > details

> > > > > > > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give us a clue

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a completely

> > > > mistaken

> > > > > > > argument.

> > > > > > > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah saptamamsaka |

> > > > > > > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > > > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > > > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah param ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign), Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > > > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa, Dasamamsa,

> > > > Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > > > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, Saptavimsamsa,

> > > > > > > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > > > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is clearly

> > > > clubbed

> > > > > > > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we treat rasi's as

> > > > bhavas

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do the same with

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of the zodiac just

> > > > as

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a divisional

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > (called

> > > > > > > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed (from C.13

> > > > > > > onwards) will

> > > > > > > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be analysed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will give you one more indication of the above

> > > > conclusion:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat smritam ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that Chaturthamsa,

> > > > > > > Navamamsa,

> > > > > > > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be studies **like the

> > > > 12

> > > > > > > houses**

> > > > > > > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated that all 16

> > > > > > > vargas are

> > > > > > > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just like the most

> > > > > > > popular of

> > > > > > > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this expunges all

> > > > doubt.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that varga charts

> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply bhava

> > > > > > > significances in

> > > > > > > > > > varga charts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You stated:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

> > > > father

> > > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

> > > > you

> > > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a

> > > > division

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

> > > > matters,one

> > > > > > > has to

> > > > > > > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength

> > > > of

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > in Hora."

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha |

> > > > > > > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah

> kramat

> > > ||

> > > > > > > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah |

> > > > > > > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari, Yuvati,

> > > > Randhra,

> > > > > > > Dharma,

> > > > > > > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the names of the 12

> > > > > > > houses.

> > > > > > > > > > Other things than these should be understood according to

> > > > > > > one's own

> > > > > > > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you some new things

> > > > which

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things than these

> > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > > understood according to one's own intelligence ** Thus in

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially mean

> > > > different

> > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in question !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer to Message #

> > > > > > > 55218 by

> > > > > > > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding what house

> > > > can

> > > > > > > mean what

> > > > > > > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart has two houses

> > > > only.

> > > > > > > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that sense and

> > > > thus you

> > > > > > > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for the 4H or 9H

> > > > as

> > > > > > > they dont

> > > > > > > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of other kinds

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean sukha regarding

> > > > > > > wealth and

> > > > > > > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the dharma followed

> > > > in

> > > > > > > earning

> > > > > > > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence) received in

> > > > earning

> > > > > > > wealth

> > > > > > > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently ask and assign

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > significance of a particular house in a Varga Chakra.

> > > > Note that

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native in the

> > > > particular

> > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10 is a career

> > > > Varga

> > > > > > > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native himself in the

> > > > field of

> > > > > > > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of guidence and

> > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority') in the career

> > > > > > > field.

> > > > > > > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and derive the

> > > > > > > significance

> > > > > > > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you immensely and

> > > > show

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of Maharsi truely

> > > > is !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by answering your

> > > > last

> > > > > > > argument.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in

> > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this bhava found? In

> > > > Rashi

> > > > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and you will not

> > > > have

> > > > > > > anymore

> > > > > > > > > > doubts."

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If you see the

> > > > context

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that portion you will

> > > > see

> > > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > > > was speaking about what various vargas signify. In the

> > > > end he

> > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > this statement. Your translation of the statement is

> > > > > > > misleading. I

> > > > > > > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given "There is no

> > > > doubt

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a malefic

> > > > > > > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > > > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional chart you

> > > > > > > consider, if

> > > > > > > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad Sashtiamsa

> > > > (read

> > > > > > > ruled

> > > > > > > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that varga chart is

> > > > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi chart,

> > > > thereby

> > > > > > > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't matter if I am new

> > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > discussion. I need not read all your previous e-mails.

> > > > You

> > > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking and shutting

> > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self in

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > > > than jump up and challange other's understandings

> > > > especially of

> > > > > > > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru Narasimha-ji.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> ===================================================================

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think you are new to this series of discussion on

> > > > > > > vargas.It has

> > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri Narasimha

> > > > knows

> > > > > > > what i am

> > > > > > > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri Narasimha had

> > > > > > > analysed

> > > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to Rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You should also carefully read all my mails before

> > > > > > > commenting.Every

> > > > > > > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important - i am

> > > > only

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with caution and

> > > > fresh

> > > > > > > mind -

> > > > > > > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly explained.Read

> > > > > > > vimshopaka

> > > > > > > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th house for

> > > > father

> > > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for vargas. Can

> > > > you

> > > > > > > pls tell

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is a division

> > > > not a

> > > > > > > chart-

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house matters,one has

> > > > to

> > > > > > > see the

> > > > > > > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the strength of

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Hora.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord in benefic

> > > > > > > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In Rashi chakra or

> > > > > > > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not have anymore

> > > > doubts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , "Sourav

> > > > Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded and you

> > > > > > > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to analyse rasi

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > Infact he

> > > > > > > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if Rasi chart

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if indications are

> > > > there in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have read BPHS,

> > > > Maharshi

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of signs (i.e.

> > > > effectively

> > > > > > > > > > defining

> > > > > > > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into bhava

> > > > analysis.

> > > > > > > Why so

> > > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage himself ?!?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many significances,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same 4H

> > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart, vehicles

> > > > happiness

> > > > > > > and so

> > > > > > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done by rasi chart

> > > > and

> > > > > > > then go

> > > > > > > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you might be

> > > > mislead.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of twins who are

> > > > born

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > > > > in time to each other and have completely different

> > > > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details that Guru

> > > > > > > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > posted in his website

> > > > www.vedicastrologer.com <http://www.vedicastrologer.com/>. Kindly

> > > > > > > read it

> > > > > > > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought. It is

> > > > beneficial to

> > > > > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's remark for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same of

> > > > > > > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good for the

> > > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I wrote and

> > > > meant and

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my Guru.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > > > > < vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

> > > > imperfections.Now you

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast not for me.I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how to analyse

> > > > rashi

> > > > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to master.Also on

> > > > one

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with Vargas and on the

> > > > other

> > > > > > > hand -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra is not the

> > > > main

> > > > > > > why do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main why do you

> > > > give so

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra - pertaining

> > > > to

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for physique - how

> > > > will

> > > > > > > we see

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the Rashi chakra? How

> > > > will

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for learning.If 10 th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > and 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is 10th ''house''

> > > > and

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > > > > > > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > < pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to multiple mails

> > > > on

> > > > > > > multiple

> > > > > > > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and cannot give a

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to give any

> > > > further

> > > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for

> > > > Marktl,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the timezone should be

> > > > 1:00,

> > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the time and

> > > > rectified

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and various divisions by retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa and Moon

> > > > Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a bug in my

> > > > software

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa. Thanks for

> > > > pointing

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use

> > > > Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The same holds

> > > > for

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was

> > > > not

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > basis of

> > > > > > > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this

> > > > > > > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from

> > > > varga of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar

> > > > > > > analysis on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

> > > > > > > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased

> > > > to

> > > > > > > know if

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will clarify MY

> > > > position.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional charts should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > judged

> > > > > > > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect astrology

> > > > for the

> > > > > > > sake

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart. The best

> > > > answer

> > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single chart, I'll

> > > > choose

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for career, D-24 for

> > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though imperfect, it

> > > > works

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions leads to

> > > > better

> > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection can come

> > > > only when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood correctly and

> > > > used.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters seen in various

> > > > > > > divisions

> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial matters in D-2,

> > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that "everything" is seen

> > > > in D-

> > > > > > > 60.

> > > > > > > > > > Also

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa varga, D-60 gets

> > > > a

> > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the Jyotish is an

> > > > imperfect

> > > > > > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores D-60, which was

> > > > given

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be established

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

> > > > considering the

> > > > > > > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean?

> > > > Doesn't

> > > > > > > it mean

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to

> > > > read

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi

> > > > > > > chakra?

> > > > > > > > > > Division

> > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So

> > > > which

> > > > > > > is this

> > > > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division -

> > > > then

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It is one of the

> > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and secondary. If

> > > > you ask

> > > > > > > me to

> > > > > > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart, I'll pick D-

> > > > 60. As I

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be seen in D-60

> > > > and

> > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa combined, when

> > > > defining

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see

> > > > > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only

> > > > the Moon

> > > > > > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat. Different divisions

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa,

> > > > chaturvimsamsa

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified in Aries rasi

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji

> > > > too

> > > > > > > advised

> > > > > > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is being

> > > > misguided.

> > > > > > > Most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to believe

> > > > that "a

> > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > generation is being misguided". Whether a

> > > > generation is

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct direction to

> > > > fully

> > > > > > > discover

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish astrology as a

> > > > > > > science is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something that the coming generations will judge.

> > > > > > > Neither I

> > > > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your work. There is

> > > > no

> > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if eighth lord is

> > > > well

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This is also

> > > > applied

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the eighth lord when

> > > > > > > strong will

> > > > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna Marga, that when

> > > > the

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results - he states

> > > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further being Vara

> > > > lord and

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is excellent and

> > > > excellent

> > > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the placement of

> > > > vaaresha

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the weekday lord

> > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not consider it

> > > > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly granted by

> > > > classics. If

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view on the use of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent so much time

> > > > > > > mulling

> > > > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause "swaaroodhaat

> > > > kendra

> > > > > > > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but could not come

> > > > to a

> > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> > > > > > > Benedict

> > > > > > > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the "swaaroodhaat" criterion.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > used only

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the additional

> > > > clause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me, I will

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my understanding

> > > > with

> > > > > > > all.

> > > > > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice for the

> > > > popes

> > > > > > > chart -

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad a Jyotish

> > > > scholar

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred with my

> > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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