Matsya yoga - Differences in Definations - Partha Garu

April 22, 2005

Dear Parth Garu & Kasturi,

as conveyed to you I was not sure about the defination which you

provided me yesterday hence Yesterday night I again opened the Book

of Dr Raman i.e 9th edition of '300 Importnat Combination'.

I am giving the exact details written in that

"

Defination - If Lagna and 9th are joined by malefics, the 5th by both

malefic & benefics, the 4th and the 8th by Malefics, Matsya yoga is

formed.

Results - The person will be an ocean of love, a reader of times,

good natured, strong character, famous, religious & learned.

Remarks - This seems to be a peculiar combination because two of the

most important houses, viz.,Lagna and the ninth should be occupied by

evil planets, the fifth should contain a mixture of good & evil

planets while malefics alone should occupy the 4th & 8th. such togas,

though not impossible of occurrence, are indeed rare because if

mercury and the moon become benefical by good association & waxing

resectively, onlt 3 malefics are left out(Excluding Rahu & Ketu) to

cause the yoga. If Rahu & ketu are also included, then all the

malefics can not occupy the 1st,9th,4th & 8th in as much as Rahu &

ketu must always be 180 degree apart. The presence of of Matsya yoga

in a horoscope may be admitted if Lagna,4th,8th & 9th or atleast

Lagna & 9th have malefics and the 5th have both benefics & malefics.

In Sanskrit Matsya means a fish and this yoga is supposed to be a

very favourable on. the high place given to it is equalled by its

conspicuous rarity in actual horoscope. If we include the aspects of

planets also, then the yoga can occur in 1 number of horoscopes

"

The above has fundamental difference with the one which you have

provided.

I request you to give the Shloka and clarify for the advantage of all

the readers.

regards,

Utpal

vedic astrology, "R. Kasthuri Rangan"

<rkrangan@g...> wrote:

> Dear Utpal, Partha and friends

>

> Just to give you more thoughts:

>

> The Sankaracharya of Sringeri, His Holiness Jagadguru Sri Bharathi

> Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His Holiness has Ketu in the 9th,

> Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th. Ref:

Jataka

> Parijaatha Sloka 146.

>

> Best wishes

> R. Kasthuri Rangan

>

> utpal pathak wrote:

>

> >Dear Partha Garu,

> >

> >>THe condition is

> >>

> >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> >>

> >

> >Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga.

> >

> >If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't include 'OR'

> >option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know even to

> >translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact details from

> >the book.

> >

> >It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the site.

> >

> >Thanks & regards,

> >

> >utpal

> >

> >vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> ><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> >>Dear Utpal

> >>

> >>Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as Rahu

> >>

> >is

> >

> >>a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for Jyotish

> >>(refer Jaimini Sutras).

> >>

> >>THe condition is

> >>

> >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> >>

> >>Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna

> >>Rahu in fourth

> >>Venus and Sun in fifth

> >>He has perfect Matsya Yoga

> >>

> >>myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects it)

> >>

> >No

> >

> >>other planet aspects it

> >>Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard life)

> >>Jupiter and ketu in fifth.

> >>My chart is also there on Srijagannath site.

> >>

> >>note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon when

Waxing.

> >>

> >>Best wishes

> >>partha

> >>

> >>vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

> >><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >>

> >>>Respected Partha Garu,

> >>>

> >>>Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any rule

> >>>

> >>with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working for

> >>

> >every

> >

> >>chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or otherwise of

a

> >>peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion as

it

> >>will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'.

> >>

> >>>

> >>>I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his 300

> >>>

> >>imp.combination book

> >>

> >>>and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if looking

> >>>

> >for

> >

> >>the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for

Matsya

> >>yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while

erading

> >>it that it may not be impossible but must be rare.

> >>

> >>>

> >>>I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved by

> >>>

> >>all, very respectable etc..

> >>

> >>>

> >>>if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna, 4th,

> >>>

> >>7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having combination of

> >>Malefic & Benefic ?

> >>

> >>>

> >>>am i missing something?

> >>>

> >>>Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me.

> >>>

> >>>regards,

> >>>

> >>>Pathak

> >>>

> >>>"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>Dear Utpal

> >>>

> >>>Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with a

> >>>pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are

> >>>

> >>neither

> >>

> >>>interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects.

> >>>

> >>>BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya

> >>>

> >yoga,

> >

> >>>have you read it.

> >>>Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.

> >>>

> >>>best wishes

> >>>partha

> >>>

> >>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> >>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>Dear Souravji & Parthaji,

> >>>>

> >>>>I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of

> >>>>

> >>>Atmakarak

> >>>

> >>>>& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.

> >>>>as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not

> >>>>understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the

> >>>>

> >>>subject

> >>>

> >>>>of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a

> >>>>

> >>4th

> >>

> >>>>house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.

> >>>>

> >>>>but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically

> >>>>

> >>accept

> >>

> >>>>the rule which is described as under

> >>>>

> >>>>as we know that

> >>>>1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th &

> >>>>

> >>11th.

> >>

> >>>>as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate

> >>>>interest in astrology and allied studies.

> >>>>

> >>>>2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the

> >>>>Direction/desire of one's atma

> >>>>

> >>>>3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th

> >>>>

> >>>>4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge

> >>>>

> >such

> >

> >>as

> >>

> >>>>astrology.

> >>>>

> >>>>5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires,

> >>>>

> >>>also

> >>>

> >>>>the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra)

> >>>>

> >>>>Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting

> >>>>

> >>product

> >>

> >>>>comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all

> >>>>

> >>the

> >>

> >>>>above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house

> >>>>

> >is

> >

> >>>>that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th

> >>>>

> >8th

> >

> >>>>house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to

> >>>>

> >>8th

> >>

> >>>>and 5th even causes virodh argala.

> >>>>

> >>>>With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt

> >>>>

> >>>accept

> >>>

> >>>>the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any

> >>>>

> >other

> >

> >>>>occult knowledge.

> >>>>

> >>>>will be hapy to know your views.

> >>>>

> >>>>best regards

> >>>>

> >>>>Utpal

> >>>>

> >>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> >>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>>Dear Sourav

> >>>>>

> >>>>>The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for

> >>>>>

> >example

> >

> >>d-

> >>

> >>>>20,

> >>>>

> >>>>>20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20

> >>>>>Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house

> >>>>>

> >>is

> >>

> >>>>the

> >>>>

> >>>>>basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.

> >>>>>Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as

> >>>>>

> >>12

> >>

> >>>>>itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa

> >>>>>9th represents undergraduate

> >>>>>2nd house-post graduation

> >>>>>7th house-doctoral

> >>>>>12th house -post doctoral.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>Now this is for mundane level studies.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house,

> >>>>>

> >4th

> >

> >>>>house

> >>>>

> >>>>>schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning

> >>>>>9th house for Guru based scriptural learning

> >>>>>12th house for Spiritual learning.

> >>>>>The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka

> >>>>>

> >of

> >

> >>>9th

> >>>

> >>>>>and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but

> >>>>>

> >>>also

> >>>

> >>>>>for gurupadesa.

> >>>>>The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to

> >>>>>

> >>think

> >>

> >>>>as

> >>>>

> >>>>>to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th

> >>>>>

> >>house.

> >>

> >>>>>Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.

> >>>>>There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th

> >>>>>

> >>house.

> >>

> >>>>8th

> >>>>

> >>>>>house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house

> >>>>>

> >shows

> >

> >>>>>learning of the same.

> >>>>>Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual

> >>>>>

> >activity

> >

> >>>is

> >>>

> >>>>>seen from 5th house.

> >>>>>AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of

> >>>>>

> >paramatma.

> >

> >>>>>best wishes

> >>>>>partha

> >>>>>

> >>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> >>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>Dear Partha-ji,

> >>>>>>Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However

> >>>>>>there are two issues:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge.

> >>>>>>

> >It

> >

> >>is

> >>

> >>>>>>apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of

> >>>>>>

> >the

> >

> >>>>>>native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the

> >>>>>>

> >>>karaka

> >>>

> >>>>of

> >>>>

> >>>>>>this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the

> >>>>>>

> >>4th

> >>

> >>>>house

> >>>>

> >>>>>>in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents

> >>>>>>

> >>>>samsara

> >>>>

> >>>>>>(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the

> >>>>>>

> >>light

> >>

> >>>of

> >>>

> >>>>>>the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge

> >>>>>>

> >>associated

> >>

> >>>>>>with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-

> >>>>>>

> >>vidya.

> >>

> >>>>>>5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual

> >>>>>>

> >>knowledge)

> >>

> >>>>and

> >>>>

> >>>>>>its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as

> >>>>>>

> >>he

> >>

> >>>is

> >>>

> >>>>>>the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H

> >>>>>>

> >has

> >

> >>>to

> >>>

> >>>>be

> >>>>

> >>>>>>associated with true knowledge or para-vidya.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows

> >>>>>>

> >>>knowledge

> >>>

> >>>>of

> >>>>

> >>>>>>the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are

> >>>>>>

> >one

> >

> >>>or

> >>>

> >>>>two

> >>>>

> >>>>>>generations ahead of the native.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa

> >>>>>>

> >(Chap.

> >

> >>>11,

> >>>

> >>>>>>Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H

> >>>>>>

> >>>>(occult)

> >>>>

> >>>>>>from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with

> >>>>>>

> >this

> >

> >>>to

> >>>

> >>>>be

> >>>>

> >>>>>>the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of

> >>>>>>

> >things.

> >

> >>The

> >>

> >>>>>>reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being

> >>>>>>

> >>considered

> >>

> >>>>>>twice - once by itself and another time by being the house

> >>>>>>

> >>from

> >>

> >>>>>>which 11H is the 4th.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this

> >>>>>>

> >a

> >

> >>>>>>conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so,

> >>>>>>

> >I

> >

> >>>>intend

> >>>>

> >>>>>>to learn this carefully.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>Regards,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>Sourav

> >>>>>>

>

>>===================================================================

> >>

> >>>>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> >>>>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>Dear Sourav

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house

> >>>>>>>

> >of

> >

> >>>>>Mantra

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology

> >>>>>>>

> >>>then?

> >>>

> >>>>>>>5th house is the house of material knowledge and also

> >>>>>>>

> >>mantra.

> >>

> >>>>It

> >>>>

> >>>>>>is

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the

> >>>>>>>

> >12th

> >

> >>>house

> >>>

> >>>>>>(8th

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>(mantra).

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>Jeevatman

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>but the representative or rather the theme of the

> >>>>>>>

> >jivatma.

> >

> >>No

> >>

> >>>>>>planet

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>rupa/guna.

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the

> >>>>>>>

> >>>secrets

> >>>

> >>>>of

> >>>>

> >>>>>>the

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but

> >>>>>>>

> >need

> >

> >>>not

> >>>

> >>>>>be

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is

> >>>>>>>

> >in

> >

> >>>>11th

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>house, the Block of fifth house is removed.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can

> >>>>>>>

> >>give

> >>

> >>>>>>interest

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>Best wishes

> >>>>>>>partha

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> >>>>>>>

> >Chowdhury"

> >

> >>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> >>>>>>>> Namaskar. It is difficult for me to

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>exactly

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of

> >>>>>>>>

> >>time

> >>

> >>>>but

> >>>>

> >>>>>>let

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>me share my thoughts.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H

> >>>>>>>>

> >>(occult

> >>

> >>>>>>>>knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses

> >>>>>>>>

> >apart

> >

> >>>and

> >>>

> >>>>>>hence

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>are mutually supportive.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>kaamatrikona.

> >>>>

> >>>>>>It

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>has the significance of gains and all kinds of

> >>>>>>>>

> >receipts.

> >

> >>It

> >>

> >>>>>>>>additionally has the significances (amongst other

> >>>>>>>>

> >things)

> >

> >>>of

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>- worshipping the deities and the good

> >>>>>>>>- extreme cunningness

> >>>>>>>>- wishfulfillment

> >>>>>>>>- wisdom

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>involvement

> >>>

> >>>>>in

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>any

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in

> >>>>>>>>

> >>11H

> >>

> >>>>>>>>strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>very

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in

> >>>>>>>>

> >>the

> >>

> >>>>11H

> >>>>

> >>>>>>in

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable

> >>>>>>>>

> >>of

> >>

> >>>>>>>>performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>opportunity

> >>>>

> >>>>>>to

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>Graha

> >>

> >>>>>>drishti

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's

> >>>>>>>>

> >desire.

> >

> >>>>>>>>This is only to my understanding and interpretation.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>Regards,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>Sourav

> >>>>>>>>

>

>=====================================================================

> >

> >>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> >>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>Sourav Bhai,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>placement

> >>

> >>>>in

> >>>>

> >>>>>>11th

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>house.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th &

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>knowledge

> >>>>

> >>>>>>for

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>importance

> >>

> >>>>of

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>>Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>am

> >>

> >>>>not

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>asking

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>this because i have that perticular combination but I

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>need

> >>>

> >>>>>>some

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>more

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>technical clarifications.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>utpal

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>Chowdhury"

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> >>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. Good point made. May I

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >add

> >

> >>a

> >>

> >>>>>>fresh

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>view

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>ability

> >>

> >>>>>>>>>>to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>these,

> >>

> >>>>the

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>fifth

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>is

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>Rahu

> >>

> >>>>have

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>special

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>astrologers.

> >>>

> >>>>>>They

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>are

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house."

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>aparaa-

> >>

> >>>>>vidya

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >shows

> >

> >>>>>occult

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>knowledge.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >and

> >

> >>8H

> >>

> >>>>>>>quality.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>jyotisha

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >meant.

> >

> >>>>>>>>>>Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >and

> >

> >>>Mars

> >>>

> >>>>>>can

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>give

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>you

> >>

> >>>>>>rightly

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >can

> >

> >>>lead

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>knowledge

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>to

> >>

> >>>>>>having a

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>5th

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>and

> >>

> >>>>>>sashtras

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>significance

> >>>

> >>>>>>over

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>Rahu.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>There is another significance of Ra, that of

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>a 'researcher'

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>hence

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >to

> >

> >>>>>>>understand

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>jyotisha

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>talent

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>by

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >11H

> >

> >>>or

> >>>

> >>>>>>their

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>lords. All planets have different qualities and can

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>influence

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha learning in different ways. For example,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >Sa

> >

> >>>>>>signifies

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>component

> >>>

> >>>>>>for a

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>good

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>jyotishi.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Again, thanks for your good posting.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>

>

>=====================================================================

> >

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, Utpal

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >Pathak

> >

> >>>>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,

> >>>>>>>>>>>[

> >>>>>>>>>>> Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>house:

> >>

> >>>>It

> >>>>

> >>>>>>is

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>not a

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>]

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>accepted

> >>

> >>>as

> >>>

> >>>>>>very

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>important by ancient writers.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >what

> >

> >>>>about

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>Rahu's

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>I came to know a good explanation for this and

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >pass

> >

> >>>it

> >>>

> >>>>on

> >>>>

> >>>>>>to

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>you

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>for your intrest..

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >only

> >

> >>>>>>inimical

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>to

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>aspect,

> >>

> >>>>our

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>dear

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>Jyotish

> >>>

> >>>>>so

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>Rahu

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>also wants to Teach it but in entirely different

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >way

> >

> >>>and

> >>>

> >>>>>for

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>wants

> >>>

> >>>>a

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>person

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>to

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>9th

> >>

> >>>>>>house,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>Rahu

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>house

> >>>

> >>>>>>>aspect

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>and

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>just occured to write few lines to a already

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >better

> >

> >>>>>>learned

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>person.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>utpal

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Kramer,

> >>>>>>>>>>> Namaskar.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>connection.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>necessarily

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>become

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>as

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>astrologer.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>involvement

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>is

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>definite.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >=============================================================

> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>vedic-

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>astrology, "giddyupguys"

> >>

> >>>>>>>>>>><giddyupguys> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>Three questions:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not sure about others, but I have some

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>reasonably

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>good

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>connections in my D-24. But I believe that

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>without

> >>>

> >>>>>>Guru's

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>blessings

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>according

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>your

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>rising

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>sign?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >one

> >

> >>>to

> >>>

> >>>>be

> >>>>

> >>>>>>a

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>good

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>astrologer. One has to have a good 9th

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >house/lord

> >

> >>>is

> >>>

> >>>>>>what I

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>thought.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>Can somebody explain?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>house:

> >>>

> >>>>It

> >>>>

> >>>>>>is

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>not

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>a

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>Kramer

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Archives: vedic-

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>astrology

> >>

> >>>>>>>>>>>Group info: vedic-

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>astrology/info.html

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>Krishnaarpanamastu

> >>>

> >>>>||

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

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> >>>>>>>>>>>

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> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> To from this group, send an email

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >to:

> >

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> >>>>>>>>>>>

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April 22, 2005

Dear Utpal

Thinking logically how can a malefic in lagna/9th make a

person "ocean of love" or was Shri Raman talking of some other Matsya

yoga??

What you have inferred is also quite brilliant. This is the outcome

of your logical thinking. Thus it is clear that we must include nodes.

If we exclude nodes then only two candidates will be left which is

impossible.

I cannot quote you the sanskrit shloka as my internet version doesnot

have it, but i will give the translated one. I have the shloka in the

book that i have at home,but not the internet version.

""Matsya Yog. Benefics in Dharm and Tanu Bhava, mixed Grahas in Putr

Bhava and malefics in Bandhu and Randhr Bhava: this array of Grahas

at birth will produce Matsya Yog. In effect the native will be a

Jyotishi, be a synonym of kindness, be virtuous, strong, beautiful,

famous, learned and pious.""

Now Sanjayji had posted on Matsya yog quite a few times in this

group. He has used the Or condition and not the And condition. He

also talked about the partial formation.

best wishes

partha

vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

>

> Dear Parth Garu & Kasturi,

>

> as conveyed to you I was not sure about the defination which you

> provided me yesterday hence Yesterday night I again opened the Book

> of Dr Raman i.e 9th edition of '300 Importnat Combination'.

>

> I am giving the exact details written in that

>

> "

> Defination - If Lagna and 9th are joined by malefics, the 5th by

both

> malefic & benefics, the 4th and the 8th by Malefics, Matsya yoga is

> formed.

>

> Results - The person will be an ocean of love, a reader of times,

> good natured, strong character, famous, religious & learned.

>

> Remarks - This seems to be a peculiar combination because two of

the

> most important houses, viz.,Lagna and the ninth should be occupied

by

> evil planets, the fifth should contain a mixture of good & evil

> planets while malefics alone should occupy the 4th & 8th. such

togas,

> though not impossible of occurrence, are indeed rare because if

> mercury and the moon become benefical by good association & waxing

> resectively, onlt 3 malefics are left out(Excluding Rahu & Ketu) to

> cause the yoga. If Rahu & ketu are also included, then all the

> malefics can not occupy the 1st,9th,4th & 8th in as much as Rahu &

> ketu must always be 180 degree apart. The presence of of Matsya

yoga

> in a horoscope may be admitted if Lagna,4th,8th & 9th or atleast

> Lagna & 9th have malefics and the 5th have both benefics & malefics.

> In Sanskrit Matsya means a fish and this yoga is supposed to be a

> very favourable on. the high place given to it is equalled by its

> conspicuous rarity in actual horoscope. If we include the aspects

of

> planets also, then the yoga can occur in 1 number of horoscopes

> "

>

> The above has fundamental difference with the one which you have

> provided.

>

> I request you to give the Shloka and clarify for the advantage of

all

> the readers.

>

> regards,

>

> Utpal

>

> vedic astrology, "R. Kasthuri Rangan"

> <rkrangan@g...> wrote:

> > Dear Utpal, Partha and friends

> >

> > Just to give you more thoughts:

> >

> > The Sankaracharya of Sringeri, His Holiness Jagadguru Sri

Bharathi

> > Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His Holiness has Ketu in the

9th,

> > Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th. Ref:

> Jataka

> > Parijaatha Sloka 146.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > R. Kasthuri Rangan

> >

> > utpal pathak wrote:

> >

> > >Dear Partha Garu,

> > >

> > >>THe condition is

> > >>

> > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > >>

> > >

> > >Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga.

> > >

> > >If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't

include 'OR'

> > >option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know even to

> > >translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact details

from

> > >the book.

> > >

> > >It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the site.

> > >

> > >Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > >utpal

> > >

> > >vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > ><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > >>Dear Utpal

> > >>

> > >>Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as

Rahu

> > >>

> > >is

> > >

> > >>a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for

Jyotish

> > >>(refer Jaimini Sutras).

> > >>

> > >>THe condition is

> > >>

> > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > >>

> > >>Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna

> > >>Rahu in fourth

> > >>Venus and Sun in fifth

> > >>He has perfect Matsya Yoga

> > >>

> > >>myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects

it)

> > >>

> > >No

> > >

> > >>other planet aspects it

> > >>Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard

life)

> > >>Jupiter and ketu in fifth.

> > >>My chart is also there on Srijagannath site.

> > >>

> > >>note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon when

> Waxing.

> > >>

> > >>Best wishes

> > >>partha

> > >>

> > >>vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

> > >><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>Respected Partha Garu,

> > >>>

> > >>>Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any

rule

> > >>>

> > >>with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working for

> > >>

> > >every

> > >

> > >>chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or otherwise

of

> a

> > >>peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion as

> it

> > >>will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'.

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his

300

> > >>>

> > >>imp.combination book

> > >>

> > >>>and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if

looking

> > >>>

> > >for

> > >

> > >>the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for

> Matsya

> > >>yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while

> erading

> > >>it that it may not be impossible but must be rare.

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved

by

> > >>>

> > >>all, very respectable etc..

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna,

4th,

> > >>>

> > >>7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having combination

of

> > >>Malefic & Benefic ?

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>am i missing something?

> > >>>

> > >>>Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me.

> > >>>

> > >>>regards,

> > >>>

> > >>>Pathak

> > >>>

> > >>>"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>Dear Utpal

> > >>>

> > >>>Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with

a

> > >>>pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are

> > >>>

> > >>neither

> > >>

> > >>>interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects.

> > >>>

> > >>>BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya

> > >>>

> > >yoga,

> > >

> > >>>have you read it.

> > >>>Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.

> > >>>

> > >>>best wishes

> > >>>partha

> > >>>

> > >>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > >>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>>Dear Souravji & Parthaji,

> > >>>>

> > >>>>I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of

> > >>>>

> > >>>Atmakarak

> > >>>

> > >>>>& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.

> > >>>>as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not

> > >>>>understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the

> > >>>>

> > >>>subject

> > >>>

> > >>>>of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is

a

> > >>>>

> > >>4th

> > >>

> > >>>>house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically

> > >>>>

> > >>accept

> > >>

> > >>>>the rule which is described as under

> > >>>>

> > >>>>as we know that

> > >>>>1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th &

> > >>>>

> > >>11th.

> > >>

> > >>>>as it is said that connection of the above houses may

generate

> > >>>>interest in astrology and allied studies.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the

> > >>>>Direction/desire of one's atma

> > >>>>

> > >>>>3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th

> > >>>>

> > >>>>4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge

> > >>>>

> > >such

> > >

> > >>as

> > >>

> > >>>>astrology.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of

desires,

> > >>>>

> > >>>also

> > >>>

> > >>>>the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra)

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting

> > >>>>

> > >>product

> > >>

> > >>>>comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with

all

> > >>>>

> > >>the

> > >>

> > >>>>above points. The most important point in favour of 11th

house

> > >>>>

> > >is

> > >

> > >>>>that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th

> > >>>>

> > >8th

> > >

> > >>>>house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala

to

> > >>>>

> > >>8th

> > >>

> > >>>>and 5th even causes virodh argala.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt

> > >>>>

> > >>>accept

> > >>>

> > >>>>the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any

> > >>>>

> > >other

> > >

> > >>>>occult knowledge.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>will be hapy to know your views.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>best regards

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Utpal

> > >>>>

> > >>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > >>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>Dear Sourav

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for

> > >>>>>

> > >example

> > >

> > >>d-

> > >>

> > >>>>20,

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20

> > >>>>>Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth

house

> > >>>>>

> > >>is

> > >>

> > >>>>the

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.

> > >>>>>Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken

as

> > >>>>>

> > >>12

> > >>

> > >>>>>itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa

> > >>>>>9th represents undergraduate

> > >>>>>2nd house-post graduation

> > >>>>>7th house-doctoral

> > >>>>>12th house -post doctoral.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>Now this is for mundane level studies.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house,

> > >>>>>

> > >4th

> > >

> > >>>>house

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning

> > >>>>>9th house for Guru based scriptural learning

> > >>>>>12th house for Spiritual learning.

> > >>>>>The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka

> > >>>>>

> > >of

> > >

> > >>>9th

> > >>>

> > >>>>>and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house)

but

> > >>>>>

> > >>>also

> > >>>

> > >>>>>for gurupadesa.

> > >>>>>The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to

> > >>>>>

> > >>think

> > >>

> > >>>>as

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th

> > >>>>>

> > >>house.

> > >>

> > >>>>>Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.

> > >>>>>There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th

> > >>>>>

> > >>house.

> > >>

> > >>>>8th

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house

> > >>>>>

> > >shows

> > >

> > >>>>>learning of the same.

> > >>>>>Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual

> > >>>>>

> > >activity

> > >

> > >>>is

> > >>>

> > >>>>>seen from 5th house.

> > >>>>>AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of

> > >>>>>

> > >paramatma.

> > >

> > >>>>>best wishes

> > >>>>>partha

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > >>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Dear Partha-ji,

> > >>>>>>Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However

> > >>>>>>there are two issues:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge.

> > >>>>>>

> > >It

> > >

> > >>is

> > >>

> > >>>>>>apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of

> > >>>>>>

> > >the

> > >

> > >>>>>>native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>karaka

> > >>>

> > >>>>of

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the

> > >>>>>>

> > >>4th

> > >>

> > >>>>house

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>samsara

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the

> > >>>>>>

> > >>light

> > >>

> > >>>of

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge

> > >>>>>>

> > >>associated

> > >>

> > >>>>>>with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-

> > >>>>>>

> > >>vidya.

> > >>

> > >>>>>>5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual

> > >>>>>>

> > >>knowledge)

> > >>

> > >>>>and

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as

> > >>>>>>

> > >>he

> > >>

> > >>>is

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H

> > >>>>>>

> > >has

> > >

> > >>>to

> > >>>

> > >>>>be

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>associated with true knowledge or para-vidya.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>knowledge

> > >>>

> > >>>>of

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are

> > >>>>>>

> > >one

> > >

> > >>>or

> > >>>

> > >>>>two

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>generations ahead of the native.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa

> > >>>>>>

> > >(Chap.

> > >

> > >>>11,

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications)

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>(occult)

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with

> > >>>>>>

> > >this

> > >

> > >>>to

> > >>>

> > >>>>be

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of

> > >>>>>>

> > >things.

> > >

> > >>The

> > >>

> > >>>>>>reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being

> > >>>>>>

> > >>considered

> > >>

> > >>>>>>twice - once by itself and another time by being the house

> > >>>>>>

> > >>from

> > >>

> > >>>>>>which 11H is the 4th.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this

> > >>>>>>

> > >a

> > >

> > >>>>>>conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so,

> > >>>>>>

> > >I

> > >

> > >>>>intend

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>to learn this carefully.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Regards,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Sourav

> > >>>>>>

> >

>

>>===================================================================

> > >>

> > >>>>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > >>>>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Dear Sourav

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house

> > >>>>>>>

> > >of

> > >

> > >>>>>Mantra

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>then?

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>>5th house is the house of material knowledge and also

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>mantra.

> > >>

> > >>>>It

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>is

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the

> > >>>>>>>

> > >12th

> > >

> > >>>house

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>(8th

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>(mantra).

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>Jeevatman

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>but the representative or rather the theme of the

> > >>>>>>>

> > >jivatma.

> > >

> > >>No

> > >>

> > >>>>>>planet

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>rupa/guna.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>secrets

> > >>>

> > >>>>of

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>the

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but

> > >>>>>>>

> > >need

> > >

> > >>>not

> > >>>

> > >>>>>be

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is

> > >>>>>>>

> > >in

> > >

> > >>>>11th

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>house, the Block of fifth house is removed.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>give

> > >>

> > >>>>>>interest

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Best wishes

> > >>>>>>>partha

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > >>>>>>>

> > >Chowdhury"

> > >

> > >>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > >>>>>>>> Namaskar. It is difficult for me to

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>exactly

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>>>ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>time

> > >>

> > >>>>but

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>let

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>me share my thoughts.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>(occult

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >apart

> > >

> > >>>and

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>hence

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>are mutually supportive.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>kaamatrikona.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>It

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>has the significance of gains and all kinds of

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >receipts.

> > >

> > >>It

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>additionally has the significances (amongst other

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >things)

> > >

> > >>>of

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>>>- worshipping the deities and the good

> > >>>>>>>>- extreme cunningness

> > >>>>>>>>- wishfulfillment

> > >>>>>>>>- wisdom

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>involvement

> > >>>

> > >>>>>in

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>any

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>11H

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>very

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>>>important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>the

> > >>

> > >>>>11H

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>in

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>of

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>opportunity

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>to

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!!

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>Graha

> > >>

> > >>>>>>drishti

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >desire.

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>This is only to my understanding and interpretation.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Regards,

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Sourav

> > >>>>>>>>

> >

>

>=====================================================================

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > >>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Sourav Bhai,

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>placement

> > >>

> > >>>>in

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>11th

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>house.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th &

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>knowledge

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>for

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>importance

> > >>

> > >>>>of

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>am

> > >>

> > >>>>not

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>asking

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>this because i have that perticular combination but I

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>need

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>some

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>more

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>technical clarifications.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>utpal

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>Chowdhury"

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > >>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. Good point made. May I

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >add

> > >

> > >>a

> > >>

> > >>>>>>fresh

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>view

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>ability

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>>>to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>these,

> > >>

> > >>>>the

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>fifth

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>is

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>Rahu

> > >>

> > >>>>have

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>special

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>astrologers.

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>They

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>are

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house."

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>aparaa-

> > >>

> > >>>>>vidya

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >shows

> > >

> > >>>>>occult

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>knowledge.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >and

> > >

> > >>8H

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>quality.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>jyotisha

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >meant.

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>>Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects,

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >and

> > >

> > >>>Mars

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>can

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>give

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>you

> > >>

> > >>>>>>rightly

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >can

> > >

> > >>>lead

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>>>knowledge

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>to

> > >>

> > >>>>>>having a

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>5th

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>and

> > >>

> > >>>>>>sashtras

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>significance

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>over

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Rahu.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>There is another significance of Ra, that of

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>a 'researcher'

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>hence

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >to

> > >

> > >>>>>>>understand

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>jyotisha

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>talent

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>by

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >11H

> > >

> > >>>or

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>their

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>lords. All planets have different qualities and can

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>influence

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha learning in different ways. For example,

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >Sa

> > >

> > >>>>>>signifies

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>component

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>for a

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>good

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>jyotishi.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Again, thanks for your good posting.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> >

>

>=====================================================================

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, Utpal

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >Pathak

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>[

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>house:

> > >>

> > >>>>It

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>is

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>not a

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>]

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>accepted

> > >>

> > >>>as

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>very

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>important by ancient writers.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >what

> > >

> > >>>>about

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Rahu's

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>I came to know a good explanation for this and

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >pass

> > >

> > >>>it

> > >>>

> > >>>>on

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>to

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>you

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>for your intrest..

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >only

> > >

> > >>>>>>inimical

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>to

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>aspect,

> > >>

> > >>>>our

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>dear

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>Jyotish

> > >>>

> > >>>>>so

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>also wants to Teach it but in entirely different

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >way

> > >

> > >>>and

> > >>>

> > >>>>>for

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>wants

> > >>>

> > >>>>a

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>person

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>to

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>9th

> > >>

> > >>>>>>house,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>house

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>>aspect

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>and

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>just occured to write few lines to a already

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >better

> > >

> > >>>>>>learned

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>person.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>utpal

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Kramer,

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Namaskar.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>connection.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>necessarily

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>become

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>as

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>astrologer.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>involvement

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>is

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>definite.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >=============================================================

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic-

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>astrology, "giddyupguys"

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>>>><giddyupguys> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Sourav,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Three questions:

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not sure about others, but I have some

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>reasonably

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>good

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>connections in my D-24. But I believe that

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>without

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>Guru's

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>blessings

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>according

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>your

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>rising

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>sign?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >one

> > >

> > >>>to

> > >>>

> > >>>>be

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>a

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>good

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>astrologer. One has to have a good 9th

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >house/lord

> > >

> > >>>is

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>what I

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>thought.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Can somebody explain?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>house:

> > >>>

> > >>>>It

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>is

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>not

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>a

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Kramer

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Archives: vedic-

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>astrology

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>Group info: vedic-

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>astrology/info.html

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

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> > >>>

> > >>>>||

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Links

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology/

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>

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April 22, 2005

Dear Partha Garu,

I am also of the opinion that Rahu/Ketu should be included in The

Matsya Yoga defination as Provided by Dr Raman.

I need to clarify that whatever i Posted in my today's mail has been

completely taken from the book as it is.

In Remarks Dr Raman himself has shown the surprise becuase the yoga

says 1st & 9th should have only malefics.

and if we take the yoga defination as it is (as provided by Shri

Raman)and including Rahu then It becomes really a very Rare

combination to occur in a chart.

I would also request Sanjayji or anybody who knows the source, to

help by quoting the precise Shloka.

thanks & regards,

Pathak

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear Utpal

>

> Thinking logically how can a malefic in lagna/9th make a

> person "ocean of love" or was Shri Raman talking of some other

Matsya

> yoga??

>

> What you have inferred is also quite brilliant. This is the outcome

> of your logical thinking. Thus it is clear that we must include

nodes.

> If we exclude nodes then only two candidates will be left which is

> impossible.

>

> I cannot quote you the sanskrit shloka as my internet version

doesnot

> have it, but i will give the translated one. I have the shloka in

the

> book that i have at home,but not the internet version.

>

> ""Matsya Yog. Benefics in Dharm and Tanu Bhava, mixed Grahas in

Putr

> Bhava and malefics in Bandhu and Randhr Bhava: this array of Grahas

> at birth will produce Matsya Yog. In effect the native will be a

> Jyotishi, be a synonym of kindness, be virtuous, strong, beautiful,

> famous, learned and pious.""

>

> Now Sanjayji had posted on Matsya yog quite a few times in this

> group. He has used the Or condition and not the And condition. He

> also talked about the partial formation.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Parth Garu & Kasturi,

> >

> > as conveyed to you I was not sure about the defination which you

> > provided me yesterday hence Yesterday night I again opened the

Book

> > of Dr Raman i.e 9th edition of '300 Importnat Combination'.

> >

> > I am giving the exact details written in that

> >

> > "

> > Defination - If Lagna and 9th are joined by malefics, the 5th by

> both

> > malefic & benefics, the 4th and the 8th by Malefics, Matsya yoga

is

> > formed.

> >

> > Results - The person will be an ocean of love, a reader of times,

> > good natured, strong character, famous, religious & learned.

> >

> > Remarks - This seems to be a peculiar combination because two of

> the

> > most important houses, viz.,Lagna and the ninth should be

occupied

> by

> > evil planets, the fifth should contain a mixture of good & evil

> > planets while malefics alone should occupy the 4th & 8th. such

> togas,

> > though not impossible of occurrence, are indeed rare because if

> > mercury and the moon become benefical by good association &

waxing

> > resectively, onlt 3 malefics are left out(Excluding Rahu & Ketu)

to

> > cause the yoga. If Rahu & ketu are also included, then all the

> > malefics can not occupy the 1st,9th,4th & 8th in as much as Rahu

&

> > ketu must always be 180 degree apart. The presence of of Matsya

> yoga

> > in a horoscope may be admitted if Lagna,4th,8th & 9th or atleast

> > Lagna & 9th have malefics and the 5th have both benefics &

malefics.

> > In Sanskrit Matsya means a fish and this yoga is supposed to be a

> > very favourable on. the high place given to it is equalled by its

> > conspicuous rarity in actual horoscope. If we include the aspects

> of

> > planets also, then the yoga can occur in 1 number of horoscopes

> > "

> >

> > The above has fundamental difference with the one which you have

> > provided.

> >

> > I request you to give the Shloka and clarify for the advantage of

> all

> > the readers.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Utpal

> >

> > vedic astrology, "R. Kasthuri Rangan"

> > <rkrangan@g...> wrote:

> > > Dear Utpal, Partha and friends

> > >

> > > Just to give you more thoughts:

> > >

> > > The Sankaracharya of Sringeri, His Holiness Jagadguru Sri

> Bharathi

> > > Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His Holiness has Ketu in the

> 9th,

> > > Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th. Ref:

> > Jataka

> > > Parijaatha Sloka 146.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > > R. Kasthuri Rangan

> > >

> > > utpal pathak wrote:

> > >

> > > >Dear Partha Garu,

> > > >

> > > >>THe condition is

> > > >>

> > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga.

> > > >

> > > >If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't

> include 'OR'

> > > >option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know even

to

> > > >translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact details

> from

> > > >the book.

> > > >

> > > >It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the site.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks & regards,

> > > >

> > > >utpal

> > > >

> > > >vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > ><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>Dear Utpal

> > > >>

> > > >>Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as

> Rahu

> > > >>

> > > >is

> > > >

> > > >>a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for

> Jyotish

> > > >>(refer Jaimini Sutras).

> > > >>

> > > >>THe condition is

> > > >>

> > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > > >>

> > > >>Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna

> > > >>Rahu in fourth

> > > >>Venus and Sun in fifth

> > > >>He has perfect Matsya Yoga

> > > >>

> > > >>myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects

> it)

> > > >>

> > > >No

> > > >

> > > >>other planet aspects it

> > > >>Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard

> life)

> > > >>Jupiter and ketu in fifth.

> > > >>My chart is also there on Srijagannath site.

> > > >>

> > > >>note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon when

> > Waxing.

> > > >>

> > > >>Best wishes

> > > >>partha

> > > >>

> > > >>vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

> > > >><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>>Respected Partha Garu,

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any

> rule

> > > >>>

> > > >>with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working

for

> > > >>

> > > >every

> > > >

> > > >>chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or

otherwise

> of

> > a

> > > >>peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion

as

> > it

> > > >>will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'.

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his

> 300

> > > >>>

> > > >>imp.combination book

> > > >>

> > > >>>and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if

> looking

> > > >>>

> > > >for

> > > >

> > > >>the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for

> > Matsya

> > > >>yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while

> > erading

> > > >>it that it may not be impossible but must be rare.

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved

> by

> > > >>>

> > > >>all, very respectable etc..

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna,

> 4th,

> > > >>>

> > > >>7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having

combination

> of

> > > >>Malefic & Benefic ?

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>am i missing something?

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>regards,

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Pathak

> > > >>>

> > > >>>"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Dear Utpal

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule

with

> a

> > > >>>pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are

> > > >>>

> > > >>neither

> > > >>

> > > >>>interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called

Matsya

> > > >>>

> > > >yoga,

> > > >

> > > >>>have you read it.

> > > >>>Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>best wishes

> > > >>>partha

> > > >>>

> > > >>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > > >>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>Dear Souravji & Parthaji,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement

of

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>Atmakarak

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.

> > > >>>>as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not

> > > >>>>understanding the much importance given to 11th house for

the

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>subject

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it

is

> a

> > > >>>>

> > > >>4th

> > > >>

> > > >>>>house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>but I have found a good reasoning by which i can

technically

> > > >>>>

> > > >>accept

> > > >>

> > > >>>>the rule which is described as under

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>as we know that

> > > >>>>1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th

&

> > > >>>>

> > > >>11th.

> > > >>

> > > >>>>as it is said that connection of the above houses may

> generate

> > > >>>>interest in astrology and allied studies.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the

> > > >>>>Direction/desire of one's atma

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge

> > > >>>>

> > > >such

> > > >

> > > >>as

> > > >>

> > > >>>>astrology.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of

> desires,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>also

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra)

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting

> > > >>>>

> > > >>product

> > > >>

> > > >>>>comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with

> all

> > > >>>>

> > > >>the

> > > >>

> > > >>>>above points. The most important point in favour of 11th

> house

> > > >>>>

> > > >is

> > > >

> > > >>>>that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to

th

> > > >>>>

> > > >8th

> > > >

> > > >>>>house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause

argala

> to

> > > >>>>

> > > >>8th

> > > >>

> > > >>>>and 5th even causes virodh argala.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>With the above explanation to myself, I can now without

dowbt

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>accept

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any

> > > >>>>

> > > >other

> > > >

> > > >>>>occult knowledge.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>will be hapy to know your views.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>best regards

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>Utpal

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > >>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>Dear Sourav

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for

> > > >>>>>

> > > >example

> > > >

> > > >>d-

> > > >>

> > > >>>>20,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20

> > > >>>>>Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth

> house

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>is

> > > >>

> > > >>>>the

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.

> > > >>>>>Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken

> as

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>12

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>4th house represents the school till 12th class.in

siddhamsa

> > > >>>>>9th represents undergraduate

> > > >>>>>2nd house-post graduation

> > > >>>>>7th house-doctoral

> > > >>>>>12th house -post doctoral.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>Now this is for mundane level studies.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >4th

> > > >

> > > >>>>house

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning

> > > >>>>>9th house for Guru based scriptural learning

> > > >>>>>12th house for Spiritual learning.

> > > >>>>>The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also

Karaka

> > > >>>>>

> > > >of

> > > >

> > > >>>9th

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house)

> but

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>also

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>for gurupadesa.

> > > >>>>>The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn

to

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>think

> > > >>

> > > >>>>as

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for

12th

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>house.

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.

> > > >>>>>There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>house.

> > > >>

> > > >>>>8th

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house

> > > >>>>>

> > > >shows

> > > >

> > > >>>>>learning of the same.

> > > >>>>>Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual

> > > >>>>>

> > > >activity

> > > >

> > > >>>is

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>seen from 5th house.

> > > >>>>>AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of

> > > >>>>>

> > > >paramatma.

> > > >

> > > >>>>>best wishes

> > > >>>>>partha

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > >>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>Dear Partha-ji,

> > > >>>>>>Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However

> > > >>>>>>there are two issues:

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >It

> > > >

> > > >>is

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance

of

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >the

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is

the

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>karaka

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>of

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of

the

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>4th

> > > >>

> > > >>>>house

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon

represents

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>samsara

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>light

> > > >>

> > > >>>of

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>associated

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>vidya.

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>knowledge)

> > > >>

> > > >>>>and

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su

as

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>he

> > > >>

> > > >>>is

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >has

> > > >

> > > >>>to

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>be

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>associated with true knowledge or para-vidya.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>knowledge

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>of

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >one

> > > >

> > > >>>or

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>two

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>generations ahead of the native.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >(Chap.

> > > >

> > > >>>11,

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications)

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from

8H

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>(occult)

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >this

> > > >

> > > >>>to

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>be

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >things.

> > > >

> > > >>The

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>considered

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>twice - once by itself and another time by being the

house

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>from

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>which 11H is the 4th.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is

this

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >a

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If

so,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >I

> > > >

> > > >>>>intend

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>to learn this carefully.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>Regards,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>Sourav

> > > >>>>>>

> > >

> >

>

>>===================================================================

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha

sarathy"

> > > >>>>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>Dear Sourav

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >of

> > > >

> > > >>>>>Mantra

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of

Astrology

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>then?

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>>5th house is the house of material knowledge and also

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>mantra.

> > > >>

> > > >>>>It

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>is

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >12th

> > > >

> > > >>>house

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>(8th

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>(mantra).

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>Jeevatman

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>but the representative or rather the theme of the

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >jivatma.

> > > >

> > > >>No

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>planet

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>rupa/guna.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>secrets

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>of

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>the

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >need

> > > >

> > > >>>not

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>be

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >in

> > > >

> > > >>>>11th

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>house, the Block of fifth house is removed.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>give

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>interest

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>Best wishes

> > > >>>>>>>partha

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >Chowdhury"

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > > >>>>>>>> Namaskar. It is difficult for me to

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>exactly

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>>>ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>time

> > > >>

> > > >>>>but

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>let

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>me share my thoughts.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>(occult

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>>knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >apart

> > > >

> > > >>>and

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>hence

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>are mutually supportive.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>kaamatrikona.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>It

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>has the significance of gains and all kinds of

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >receipts.

> > > >

> > > >>It

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>>additionally has the significances (amongst other

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >things)

> > > >

> > > >>>of

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>>>- worshipping the deities and the good

> > > >>>>>>>>- extreme cunningness

> > > >>>>>>>>- wishfulfillment

> > > >>>>>>>>- wisdom

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>involvement

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>in

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>any

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>11H

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>>strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>very

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>>>important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>the

> > > >>

> > > >>>>11H

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>in

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>of

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>>performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>opportunity

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>to

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!!

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>Graha

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>drishti

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >desire.

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>This is only to my understanding and interpretation.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > >

> >

>

>=====================================================================

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > > >>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>Sourav Bhai,

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>placement

> > > >>

> > > >>>>in

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>11th

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>house.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th &

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>knowledge

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>for

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>importance

> > > >>

> > > >>>>of

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>am

> > > >>

> > > >>>>not

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>asking

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>this because i have that perticular combination but I

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>need

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>some

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>more

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>technical clarifications.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>utpal

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>Chowdhury"

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. Good point made. May I

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >add

> > > >

> > > >>a

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>fresh

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>view

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>ability

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>these,

> > > >>

> > > >>>>the

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>fifth

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>is

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>Rahu

> > > >>

> > > >>>>have

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>special

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>astrologers.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>They

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>are

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house."

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>aparaa-

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>vidya

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >shows

> > > >

> > > >>>>>occult

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>knowledge.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >and

> > > >

> > > >>8H

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>quality.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>jyotisha

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >meant.

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >and

> > > >

> > > >>>Mars

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>can

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>give

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>you

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>rightly

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >can

> > > >

> > > >>>lead

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>>>knowledge

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>to

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>having a

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>5th

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>and

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>sashtras

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>significance

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>over

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>There is another significance of Ra, that of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>a 'researcher'

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>hence

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >to

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>understand

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>jyotisha

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>talent

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>by

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >11H

> > > >

> > > >>>or

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>their

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>lords. All planets have different qualities and can

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>influence

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha learning in different ways. For example,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >Sa

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>signifies

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>component

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>for a

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>good

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotishi.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Again, thanks for your good posting.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> >

>

>=====================================================================

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, Utpal

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >Pathak

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>[

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>house:

> > > >>

> > > >>>>It

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>is

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>not a

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>]

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>accepted

> > > >>

> > > >>>as

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>very

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>important by ancient writers.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >what

> > > >

> > > >>>>about

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu's

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>I came to know a good explanation for this and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >pass

> > > >

> > > >>>it

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>on

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>to

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>you

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>for your intrest..

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >only

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>inimical

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>to

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>aspect,

> > > >>

> > > >>>>our

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>dear

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>Jyotish

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>so

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>also wants to Teach it but in entirely different

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >way

> > > >

> > > >>>and

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>for

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>wants

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>a

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>person

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>to

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>9th

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>house,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>house

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>>aspect

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>and

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>just occured to write few lines to a already

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >better

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>learned

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>person.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>utpal

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Kramer,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Namaskar.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>connection.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>necessarily

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>become

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>as

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>astrologer.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>involvement

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>is

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>definite.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >=============================================================

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic-

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>astrology, "giddyupguys"

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>><giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Sourav,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Three questions:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not sure about others, but I have some

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>reasonably

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>good

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>connections in my D-24. But I believe that

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>without

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>Guru's

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>blessings

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>according

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>your

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>rising

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>sign?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >one

> > > >

> > > >>>to

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>be

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>a

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>good

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>astrologer. One has to have a good 9th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >house/lord

> > > >

> > > >>>is

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>what I

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>thought.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Can somebody explain?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>house:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>It

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>is

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>not

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>a

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Kramer

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Archives: vedic-

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>astrology

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Group info: vedic-

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>astrology/info.html

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>Krishnaarpanamastu

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>||

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Links

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology/

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To from this group, send an email

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >to:

> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Your use of is subject to the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>

> > > >>>>>>Terms

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>of

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Service.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>protection

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>around

> > > >>>>>>>>

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> > > >>>

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> > > >>>

> > > >>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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> > > >>

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April 22, 2005

Sanjayji has in one of his mails talked of this yoga to Mumin. You can check the archives.

Thinking aloud

Let us put Jupiter in first. One malefic in fourth and 8th. Say if we have

Saturn in 4th and sun in 8th. mercury and venus cannot run very far. Let us put

Venus in 9th. Mercury in 7th. Now moon has to be in fifth and another malefic

either oF rahu or ketu should be with this moon. Now moon is waning, thus

cannot be considered a benefic. So Going by strict interpretation of AND

condition, it is difficult here.

Interchange moon with Jupiter, then there is a condition for Matsya yoga very

close to perfection. Anyone out there??!

If we use OR condition, we might get quite a few pseudo matsya yogis like me.

best wishes

partha

On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Partha Garu,I am also of the opinion that Rahu/Ketu should be included in

TheMatsya Yoga defination as Provided by Dr Raman.

I need to clarify that whatever i Posted in my today's mail has beencompletely

taken from the book as it is.In Remarks Dr Raman himself has shown the surprise

becuase the yogasays 1st & 9th should have only malefics.

and if we take the yoga defination as it is (as provided by ShriRaman)and

including Rahu then It becomes really a very Rarecombination to occur in a

chart.I would also request Sanjayji or anybody who knows the source, to

help by quoting the precise Shloka.thanks & regards,Pathak--- In

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"<

partvinu@g...> wrote:>> Dear Utpal>> Thinking logically how can a malefic in

lagna/9th make a> person "ocean of love" or was Shri Raman talking of some

otherMatsya> yoga??

>> What you have inferred is also quite brilliant. This is the outcome> of your

logical thinking. Thus it is clear that we must includenodes.> If we exclude

nodes then only two candidates will be left which is

> impossible.>> I cannot quote you the sanskrit shloka as my internet

versiondoesnot> have it, but i will give the translated one. I have the shloka

inthe> book that i have at home,but not the internet version.

>> ""Matsya Yog. Benefics in Dharm and Tanu Bhava, mixed Grahas inPutr> Bhava

and malefics in Bandhu and Randhr Bhava: this array of Grahas> at birth will

produce Matsya Yog. In effect the native will be a

> Jyotishi, be a synonym of kindness, be virtuous, strong, beautiful,> famous,

learned and pious."">> Now Sanjayji had posted on Matsya yog quite a few times

in this> group. He has used the Or condition and not the And condition. He

> also talked about the partial formation.>> best wishes> partha>> --- In

vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> <vedic_pathak> wrote:> >> > Dear Parth Garu & Kasturi,> >> > as conveyed

to you I was not sure about the defination which you> > provided me yesterday

hence Yesterday night I again opened the

Book> > of Dr Raman i.e 9th edition of '300 Importnat Combination'.> >> > I am

giving the exact details written in that> >> > "> > Defination - If Lagna and

9th are joined by malefics, the 5th by

> both> > malefic & benefics, the 4th and the 8th by Malefics, Matsya yogais> >

formed.> >> > Results - The person will be an ocean of love, a reader of

times,> > good natured, strong character, famous, religious & learned.

> >> > Remarks - This seems to be a peculiar combination because two of> the> >

most important houses, viz.,Lagna and the ninth should beoccupied> by> > evil

planets, the fifth should contain a mixture of good & evil

> > planets while malefics alone should occupy the 4th & 8th. such> togas,> >

though not impossible of occurrence, are indeed rare because if> > mercury and

the moon become benefical by good association &

waxing> > resectively, onlt 3 malefics are left out(Excluding Rahu & Ketu)to> >

cause the yoga. If Rahu & ketu are also included, then all the> > malefics can

not occupy the 1st,9th,4th & 8th in as much as Rahu

&> > ketu must always be 180 degree apart. The presence of of Matsya> yoga> > in

a horoscope may be admitted if Lagna,4th,8th & 9th or atleast> > Lagna & 9th

have malefics and the 5th have both benefics &

malefics.> > In Sanskrit Matsya means a fish and this yoga is supposed to be a>

> very favourable on. the high place given to it is equalled by its> >

conspicuous rarity in actual horoscope. If we include the aspects

> of> > planets also, then the yoga can occur in 1 number of horoscopes> > "> >>

>> > The above has fundamental difference with the one which you have> >

provided.

> >> > I request you to give the Shloka and clarify for the advantage of> all> >

the readers.> >> > regards,> >> > Utpal> >> > --- In

vedic astrology, "R. Kasthuri Rangan"> > <rkrangan@g...>

wrote:> > > Dear Utpal, Partha and friends> > >

> > > Just to give you more thoughts:> > >> > > The Sankaracharya of Sringeri,

His Holiness Jagadguru Sri> Bharathi> > > Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His

Holiness has Ketu in the

> 9th,> > > Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th. Ref:> >

Jataka> > > Parijaatha Sloka 146.> > >> > > Best wishes> > > R. Kasthuri Rangan

> > >> > >> > >> > > utpal pathak wrote:> > >> > > >Dear Partha Garu,> > > >> >

> >> > > >

> > > >> > > >>THe condition is> > > >>> > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th> > >

>>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th> > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one

malefic).

> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >Thanks for version of your interpretation

of Matsya Yoga.> > > >> > > >If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation

doesn't

> include 'OR'> > > >option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know

evento> > > >translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact details>

from> > > >the book.

> > > >> > > >It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the site.> > >

>> > > >Thanks & regards,> > > >> > > >utpal

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >vedic astrology, "V.Partha

sarathy"> > > ><

partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >>Dear Utpal> > > >>> > > >>Actually i

opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as

> Rahu> > > >>> > > >>> > > >is> > > >> > > >> > > >>a psychic and ketu the

Mokshakarak and is specifically for

> Jyotish> > > >>(refer Jaimini Sutras).> > > >>> > > >>THe condition is> > >

>>> > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th> > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic

and one malefic).> > > >>> > > >>Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna> > > >>Rahu in

fourth

> > > >>Venus and Sun in fifth> > > >>He has perfect Matsya Yoga> > > >>> > >

>>myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects

> it)> > > >>> > > >>> > > >No> > > >> > > >> > > >>other planet aspects it> > >

>>Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard

> life)> > > >>Jupiter and ketu in fifth.> > > >>My chart is also there on

Srijagannath site.> > > >>> > > >>note that Mercury is benefic when well

associated, Moon when

> > Waxing.> > > >>> > > >>Best wishes> > > >>partha> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>---

In

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak> > > >><vedic_pathak> wrote:>

> > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Respected Partha Garu,> > > >>>

> > > >>>Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any> rule> > >

>>>> > > >>>> > > >>with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working

for> > > >>> > > >>> > > >every> > > >> > > >> > > >>chart. i just wanted to

find out the acceptibilty orotherwise

> of> > a> > > >>peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetionas>

> it> > > >>will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'.> > > >>

> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented

in his> 300> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>imp.combination book> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>and he has said that it is

the rarest of combination if> looking> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >for> > > >> > > >> > > >>the pure form of it. he even used the

word 'Impossible' for> > Matsya> > > >>yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not

included. but i felt while

> > erading> > > >>it that it may not be impossible but must be rare.> > > >>> >

> >>> > > >>>> > > >>>I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love.

loved

> by> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>all, very respectable etc..> > > >>> > > >>> > >

>>>> > > >>>if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna,

> 4th,> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th

havingcombination> of> > > >>Malefic & Benefic ?

> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>am i missing something?> > > >>>> > > >>>Pl.

give your Matsya yoga combination to me.

> > > >>>> > > >>>regards,> > > >>>> > > >>>Pathak> > > >>>> > > >>>"V.Partha

sarathy" <

partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>>Dear Utpal> > > >>>> > > >>>Ofcourse what

you said is valid. But please take any rulewith

> a> > > >>>pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are> > >

>>>> > > >>>> > > >>neither> > > >>

> > > >>> > > >>>interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects.> >

> >>>> > > >>>BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called

Matsya> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >yoga,> > > >> > > >> > > >>>have you read it.> >

> >>>Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.

> > > >>>> > > >>>best wishes> > > >>>partha> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>

vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"> > > >>><vedic_pathak>

wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>Dear Souravji & Parthaji,

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placementof>

> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>Atmakarak

> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.> > >

>>>>as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not

> > > >>>>understanding the much importance given to 11th house forthe> > >

>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>subject> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that itis>

a> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>4th

> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.> > >

>>>>> > > >>>>but I have found a good reasoning by which i can

technically> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>accept> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>the rule

which is described as under

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>as we know that> > > >>>>1) Panafar are the house of seeing

future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th&> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>11th.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>as it is said that connection

of the above houses may> generate

> > > >>>>interest in astrology and allied studies.> > > >>>>> > >

>>>>2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the> > >

>>>>Direction/desire of one's atma

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th> > > >>>>> > >

>>>>4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >such> > > >> > > >> > > >>as> > > >>> > > >>

> > > >>>>astrology.> > > >>>>> > > >>>>5)11th house beside being a house of

Fructification of> desires,> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>also> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>the 4th (Learning) house from

8th (Jyotisha Shastra)

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting>

> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>product

> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected

with> all> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>the> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>above points. The most important point in

favour of 11th> house> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >is> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>that it can only Cause

Argala(Conclusive interference) toth> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >8th> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>house. the other Panfar namely 2nd,

5th can not causeargala> to> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>8th> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>and 5th even causes virodh

argala.> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>With the above explanation to myself, I can now withoutdowbt> > >

>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>accept> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any>

> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >other

> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>occult knowledge.> > > >>>>> > > >>>>will be hapy to

know your views.> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>best regards> > > >>>>> > > >>>>Utpal> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>---

In vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"> > > >>>><partvinu@g...>

wrote:> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>Dear Sourav> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>The basis of all the divisional

charts is a Modulo, for> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>> > > >example> > > >> > > >> > > >>d-> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>20,

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20> > >

>>>>>Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth

> house> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>is> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>the> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.> > > >>>>>Now

for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken> as

> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>12> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>itself and thus 12th

house represents the Para Vidya.

> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>4th house represents the school till 12th

class.insiddhamsa> > > >>>>>9th represents undergraduate> > > >>>>>2nd

house-post graduation

> > > >>>>>7th house-doctoral> > > >>>>>12th house -post doctoral.> > > >>>>>> >

> >>>>>Now this is for mundane level studies.

> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd

house,> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >4th

> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>house> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>schooling, 5th house

for mantra shastra and higher learning

> > > >>>>>9th house for Guru based scriptural learning> > > >>>>>12th house for

Spiritual learning.> > > >>>>>The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is

also

Karaka> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >of> > > >> > > >> > > >>>9th> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house)>

but> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>also> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>for gurupadesa.> > > >>>>>The karaka

for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn

to> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>think> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>as> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for12th>

> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>house.

> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.> > > >>>>>There is

no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th

> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>house.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>8th> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house>

> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >shows

> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>learning of the same.> > > >>>>>Similary 8th can also

show speculation, but the actual> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>> > > >activity> > > >> > > >> > > >>>is> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >

>>>>>seen from 5th house.

> > > >>>>>AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of> > > >>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > >paramatma.> > > >

> > > >> > > >>>>>best wishes> > > >>>>>partha> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

Chowdhury"

> > > >>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>|| Hare Rama

Krishna ||> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>Dear Partha-ji,> > > >>>>>>Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its

nice. However> > > >>>>>>there are two issues:

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material

knowledge.> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>

> > > >It> > > >> > > >> > > >>is> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>apara-vidya and

this knowledge is needed for sustenance

of> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >the> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>native abd hence

is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is

the> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>karaka> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>of

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>this house. Moon is the other karaka being the

lord ofthe> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>4th> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>house> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moonrepresents> > >

>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>samsara

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light

reflects the> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>light> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>of> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>the Sun

and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>associated> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>with Maya

(material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>vidya.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>5H represents

mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>knowledge)> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>and> > >

>>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is

Suas> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>he> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>is> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>the ruler of

the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >has> > > >> > > >> > > >>>to> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>be> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>associated with true

knowledge or para-vidya.

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows>

> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>knowledge> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>of> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >

>>>>>>the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >one> > > >> > > >> > > >>>or> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>two> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>generations ahead of the

native.> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa> > > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> > > >(Chap.> > > >

> > > >> > > >>>11,> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>Varga Chakra, Sagar

Publications)> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from8H> > >

>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>(occult)

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am

uneasy with> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>

> > > >this> > > >> > > >> > > >>>to> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>be> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of> > >

>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >things.

> > > >> > > >> > > >>The> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>reason is that there is a

redundancy of the 8th being

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>considered> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>twice -

once by itself and another time by being the

house> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>from> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>which 11H

is the 4th.

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage.

Isthis> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>

> > > >a> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned

somewhere. Ifso,> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >I> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>intend> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>to learn this carefully.> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>Regards,> > >

>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>Sourav

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>

>>>>===================================================================

> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>vedic astrology,

"V.Parthasarathy"

> > > >>>>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Dear

Sourav> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house> > >

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >of

> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>Mantra> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>and Sacred

spells, how can it give knowledge of

Astrology> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>then?> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >

>>>>>>>5th house is the house of material knowledge and also

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>mantra.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>It

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>is> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>not para

vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >12th> > > >> > > >> > > >>>house> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>(8th> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>from 5th). 12th

shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>(mantra).> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >

>>>>>>>Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>Jeevatman> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>but the representative or rather the theme of the> > > >>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > >jivatma.

> > > >> > > >> > > >>No> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>planet> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the>

> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>rupa/guna.> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>When AK is in 11th house it

is learning(4th house) the> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>secrets> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>of> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>the> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>world(8th house).

This could be through astrology, but

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >need> > > >> > > >> > > >>>not> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>be> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>the only way. I talked

of block to 5th house. When AK is

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >in> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>11th> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>house, the Block of fifth house is removed.> > > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>give> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>interest

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>in astrology alone, it can be any other

occult practice.> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>Best wishes> > > >>>>>>>partha> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>

vedic astrology, "Sourav> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > >

>Chowdhury"> > > >> > > >

> > > >>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>||

Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,> > > >>>>>>>>

Namaskar. It is difficult for me to

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>exactly> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >

>>>>>>>>ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>time> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>but

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>let> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>me

share my thoughts.

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H>

> > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>(occult> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are

all four houses> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >apart> > > >> > > >> > > >>>and> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>hence> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>are mutually supportive.>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the> > > >>>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>kaamatrikona.

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>It> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>has the

significance of gains and all kinds of

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >receipts.> > > >> > > >> > > >>It> > > >>

> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>additionally has the significances (amongst other> > >

>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >things)> > > >> > > >> > > >>>of> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>-

worshipping the deities and the good

> > > >>>>>>>>- extreme cunningness> > > >>>>>>>>- wishfulfillment> > >

>>>>>>>>- wisdom> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its> > > >>>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>involvement

> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>in> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>any

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>of these houses is good. I can only

imagine that AK in> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>11H> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>strengthens fulfilment.

Any sign occupied my AK becomes

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>very> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >

>>>>>>>>important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>the> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>11H

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>in> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>the D-9.

It shows a brave and successful native capable

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>of> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>performing

any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>opportunity> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>to> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>aspect the 5H (what

Sanjay-ji called the key house)!!

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>Graha> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>drishti

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>of AK is very strong as it is indicative

of soul's> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >desire.> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>This is only to my

understanding and interpretation.

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Regards,> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>

>>>=====================================================================

> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "utpal

pathak"> > > >>>>>>>><

vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>Sourav

Bhai,> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's> > > >>>>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>placement

> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>in> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>11th> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>house.> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>I can understand

that 11th house is 4th from 8th &

> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>knowledge> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>for> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>hidden/occult , also a

Panafar but why so much

> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>importance> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>of

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you

enlighten me. I> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>am> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>not> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>asking> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>this because i

have that perticular combination but I

> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>need> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>some

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>more> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>technical clarifications.> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>utpal> > >

>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav> > > >>>>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>Chowdhury"> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:> > >

>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. Good point made. May I> > >

>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >add> > > >> > > >> > > >>a> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>fresh> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>view> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>to

your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>ability> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>to see the future

(Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>these,> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>the

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>fifth> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>is> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>the controlling

house for the future. Jupiter and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>Rahu> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>have

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>special> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>astrologers.> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>They> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>are> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>followed by Mars

who can aspect the 8th house."

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>aparaa-> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>vidya> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H> > >

>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >shows> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>occult> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>knowledge.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of

5H> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >and> > > >> > > >> > > >>8H> > > >>> > > >>> > >

>>>>>>>quality.

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>Hence, planets having 5th and 8th

aspects can give> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>jyotisha> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >meant.> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>Ju

and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >and> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Mars

> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>can> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>give

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>8th aspect. Hence these planets are

significant. As> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>you> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>rightly> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >can> > > >> > > >> > > >>>lead> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>knowledge

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>to negative channels or selfishness.

Ju in addition> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>to> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>having a> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>5th> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect

is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>and> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>sashtras

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an

added> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>significance> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>over> > >

>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu.> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>There

is another significance of Ra, that of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>a 'researcher'> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>hence> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu aspect can

show intense research that is good

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >to> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>understand

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha.> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of> > >

>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>jyotisha> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>talent> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>by> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and> > >

>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >11H> > > >> > > >> > > >>>or> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>their> > >

>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>lords. All planets have different qualities and can>

> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>influence> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha learning

in different ways. For example,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >Sa> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>signifies

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>discipline and hardwork and such is a

necessary> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>component> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>for a> > >

>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>good> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>jyotishi.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>Again, thanks for your good posting.> > >

>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>Sourav> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>

>>>=====================================================================> > >

>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, Utpal> >

> >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >Pathak> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>><vedic_pathak>

wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>[

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>house:> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>It> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>is

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>not a> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>]

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>accepted> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>as> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>>very> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>important by ancient

writers.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it

is headless but

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >what> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>about

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu's> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>I came to know a good explanation for this and> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >pass> > > >> > > >> > > >>>it> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>on> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>to> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>you

> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>for your intrest..> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice

versa (Guru is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >only> > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>inimical

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>to> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>aspect,> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>our> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >

>>>>>>>dear

> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru

wants to teach> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>Jyotish> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>so> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>also

wants to Teach it but in entirely different

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >way> > > >> > > >> > > >>>and

> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>for> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>opposite

motives. Guru want to give good qualities

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>wants> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>a

> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>person> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>to> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>follow dharma and

make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>9th> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>house,

> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Rahu> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th> > >

>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>house> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>aspect> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>and> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to make

him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>just occured to write few lines to a already> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Kramer,> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Namaskar.> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>connection.> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>2. Strong 9H

means you will follow dharma. Not

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> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>good> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > >

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an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought,

happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha

Plot.no.71Road No.3Nagarjuna HillsHyderabadIndia-500 082

April 23, 2005

Dear Partha Garu,

I visited the site & got your birth details and also some details

about you.

nothing can solace a person when mother departs..I have looked in to

the combination for early demise of your mother. there are many and

cearly reflected also in D-12 (Why people overlook such a proof i

wonder ..)

I was also seeing the transit and dasha. did it happen in Moon and

Fag end of Ketu antardasha. when Rahu just came in to 8th from moon

and 2nd from 4th... i mean around Feb,2005?

intrestingly enough your intrest in astrology started in Rahu

Mahadasha and it is in 11th. my intrest in astrlogy also started in

Rahu major and rah is in 8th for me.

hope i have not offend you

utpal

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

> Dear Utpal

> Sanjayji has in one of his mails talked of this yoga to Mumin. You

can

> check the archives.

> Thinking aloud

> Let us put Jupiter in first. One malefic in fourth and 8th. Say if

we have

> Saturn in 4th and sun in 8th. mercury and venus cannot run very

far. Let us

> put Venus in 9th. Mercury in 7th. Now moon has to be in fifth and

another

> malefic either oF rahu or ketu should be with this moon. Now moon

is waning,

> thus cannot be considered a benefic. So Going by strict

interpretation of

> AND condition, it is difficult here.

> Interchange moon with Jupiter, then there is a condition for Matsya

yoga

> very close to perfection. Anyone out there??!

> If we use OR condition, we might get quite a few pseudo matsya

yogis like

> me.

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Partha Garu,

> >

> > I am also of the opinion that Rahu/Ketu should be included in The

> > Matsya Yoga defination as Provided by Dr Raman.

> >

> > I need to clarify that whatever i Posted in my today's mail has

been

> > completely taken from the book as it is.

> >

> > In Remarks Dr Raman himself has shown the surprise becuase the

yoga

> > says 1st & 9th should have only malefics.

> >

> > and if we take the yoga defination as it is (as provided by Shri

> > Raman)and including Rahu then It becomes really a very Rare

> > combination to occur in a chart.

> >

> > I would also request Sanjayji or anybody who knows the source, to

> > help by quoting the precise Shloka.

> >

> > thanks & regards,

> >

> > Pathak

> >

> > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Utpal

> > >

> > > Thinking logically how can a malefic in lagna/9th make a

> > > person "ocean of love" or was Shri Raman talking of some other

> > Matsya

> > > yoga??

> > >

> > > What you have inferred is also quite brilliant. This is the

outcome

> > > of your logical thinking. Thus it is clear that we must include

> > nodes.

> > > If we exclude nodes then only two candidates will be left which

is

> > > impossible.

> > >

> > > I cannot quote you the sanskrit shloka as my internet version

> > doesnot

> > > have it, but i will give the translated one. I have the shloka

in

> > the

> > > book that i have at home,but not the internet version.

> > >

> > > ""Matsya Yog. Benefics in Dharm and Tanu Bhava, mixed Grahas in

> > Putr

> > > Bhava and malefics in Bandhu and Randhr Bhava: this array of

Grahas

> > > at birth will produce Matsya Yog. In effect the native will be a

> > > Jyotishi, be a synonym of kindness, be virtuous, strong,

beautiful,

> > > famous, learned and pious.""

> > >

> > > Now Sanjayji had posted on Matsya yog quite a few times in this

> > > group. He has used the Or condition and not the And condition.

He

> > > also talked about the partial formation.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > > <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Parth Garu & Kasturi,

> > > >

> > > > as conveyed to you I was not sure about the defination which

you

> > > > provided me yesterday hence Yesterday night I again opened the

> > Book

> > > > of Dr Raman i.e 9th edition of '300 Importnat Combination'.

> > > >

> > > > I am giving the exact details written in that

> > > >

> > > > "

> > > > Defination - If Lagna and 9th are joined by malefics, the 5th

by

> > > both

> > > > malefic & benefics, the 4th and the 8th by Malefics, Matsya

yoga

> > is

> > > > formed.

> > > >

> > > > Results - The person will be an ocean of love, a reader of

times,

> > > > good natured, strong character, famous, religious & learned.

> > > >

> > > > Remarks - This seems to be a peculiar combination because two

of

> > > the

> > > > most important houses, viz.,Lagna and the ninth should be

> > occupied

> > > by

> > > > evil planets, the fifth should contain a mixture of good &

evil

> > > > planets while malefics alone should occupy the 4th & 8th. such

> > > togas,

> > > > though not impossible of occurrence, are indeed rare because

if

> > > > mercury and the moon become benefical by good association &

> > waxing

> > > > resectively, onlt 3 malefics are left out(Excluding Rahu &

Ketu)

> > to

> > > > cause the yoga. If Rahu & ketu are also included, then all the

> > > > malefics can not occupy the 1st,9th,4th & 8th in as much as

Rahu

> > &

> > > > ketu must always be 180 degree apart. The presence of of

Matsya

> > > yoga

> > > > in a horoscope may be admitted if Lagna,4th,8th & 9th or

atleast

> > > > Lagna & 9th have malefics and the 5th have both benefics &

> > malefics.

> > > > In Sanskrit Matsya means a fish and this yoga is supposed to

be a

> > > > very favourable on. the high place given to it is equalled by

its

> > > > conspicuous rarity in actual horoscope. If we include the

aspects

> > > of

> > > > planets also, then the yoga can occur in 1 number of

horoscopes

> > > > "

> > > >

> > > > The above has fundamental difference with the one which you

have

> > > > provided.

> > > >

> > > > I request you to give the Shloka and clarify for the

advantage of

> > > all

> > > > the readers.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Utpal

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "R. Kasthuri Rangan"

> > > > <rkrangan@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Utpal, Partha and friends

> > > > >

> > > > > Just to give you more thoughts:

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sankaracharya of Sringeri, His Holiness Jagadguru Sri

> > > Bharathi

> > > > > Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His Holiness has Ketu in

the

> > > 9th,

> > > > > Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th.

Ref:

> > > > Jataka

> > > > > Parijaatha Sloka 146.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > R. Kasthuri Rangan

> > > > >

> > > > > utpal pathak wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >Dear Partha Garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>THe condition is

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > > > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > > > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't

> > > include 'OR'

> > > > > >option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know

even

> > to

> > > > > >translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact

details

> > > from

> > > > > >the book.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the

site.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks & regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >utpal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > > ><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>Dear Utpal

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered,

as

> > > Rahu

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >is

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for

> > > Jyotish

> > > > > >>(refer Jaimini Sutras).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>THe condition is

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > > > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > > > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna

> > > > > >>Rahu in fourth

> > > > > >>Venus and Sun in fifth

> > > > > >>He has perfect Matsya Yoga

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth

aspects

> > > it)

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >No

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>other planet aspects it

> > > > > >>Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion,

hard

> > > life)

> > > > > >>Jupiter and ketu in fifth.

> > > > > >>My chart is also there on Srijagannath site.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon

when

> > > > Waxing.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Best wishes

> > > > > >>partha

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

> > > > > >><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>Respected Partha Garu,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take

any

> > > rule

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule

working

> > for

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >every

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or

> > otherwise

> > > of

> > > > a

> > > > > >>peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable

suggetion

> > as

> > > > it

> > > > > >>will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in

his

> > > 300

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>imp.combination book

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if

> > > looking

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >for

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible'

for

> > > > Matsya

> > > > > >>yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt

while

> > > > erading

> > > > > >>it that it may not be impossible but must be rare.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love.

loved

> > > by

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>all, very respectable etc..

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>if i correctly remember, it is said to present when

Lagna,

> > > 4th,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having

> > combination

> > > of

> > > > > >>Malefic & Benefic ?

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>am i missing something?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>regards,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>Pathak

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>Dear Utpal

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > >>>pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they

are

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>neither

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual

subjects.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called

> > Matsya

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >yoga,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>have you read it.

> > > > > >>>Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>best wishes

> > > > > >>>partha

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > > > > >>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>Dear Souravji & Parthaji,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house

placement

> > of

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>Atmakarak

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.

> > > > > >>>>as i have already written in my previous mail that I am

not

> > > > > >>>>understanding the much importance given to 11th house

for

> > the

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>subject

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that

it

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>4th

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>but I have found a good reasoning by which i can

> > technically

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>accept

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>the rule which is described as under

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>as we know that

> > > > > >>>>1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th,

8th

> > &

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>11th.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>as it is said that connection of the above houses may

> > > generate

> > > > > >>>>interest in astrology and allied studies.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the

> > > > > >>>>Direction/desire of one's atma

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult

knowledge

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >such

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>as

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>astrology.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of

> > > desires,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>also

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra)

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>Now if we combined the above 5 points than very

intresting

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>product

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected

with

> > > all

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>the

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>above points. The most important point in favour of 11th

> > > house

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >is

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference)

to

> > th

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >8th

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause

> > argala

> > > to

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>8th

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>and 5th even causes virodh argala.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>With the above explanation to myself, I can now without

> > dowbt

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>accept

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or

any

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >other

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>occult knowledge.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>will be hapy to know your views.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>best regards

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>Utpal

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha

sarathy"

> > > > > >>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>Dear Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >example

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>d-

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>20,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20

> > > > > >>>>>Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth

> > > house

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>is

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>the

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.

> > > > > >>>>>Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be

taken

> > > as

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>12

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>4th house represents the school till 12th class.in

> > siddhamsa

> > > > > >>>>>9th represents undergraduate

> > > > > >>>>>2nd house-post graduation

> > > > > >>>>>7th house-doctoral

> > > > > >>>>>12th house -post doctoral.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>Now this is for mundane level studies.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd

house,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >4th

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>house

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher

learning

> > > > > >>>>>9th house for Guru based scriptural learning

> > > > > >>>>>12th house for Spiritual learning.

> > > > > >>>>>The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also

> > Karaka

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >of

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>9th

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th

house)

> > > but

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>also

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>for gurupadesa.

> > > > > >>>>>The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your

turn

> > to

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>think

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>as

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for

> > 12th

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>house.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.

> > > > > >>>>>There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding

8th

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>house.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>8th

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th

house

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >shows

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>learning of the same.

> > > > > >>>>>Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >activity

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>is

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>seen from 5th house.

> > > > > >>>>>AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >paramatma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>best wishes

> > > > > >>>>>partha

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

Chowdhury"

> > > > > >>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>Dear Partha-ji,

> > > > > >>>>>>Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However

> > > > > >>>>>>there are two issues:

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material

knowledge.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >It

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>is

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for

sustenance

> > of

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >the

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is

> > the

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>karaka

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of

> > the

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>4th

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>house

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon

> > represents

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>samsara

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects

the

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>light

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>of

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>associated

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not

para-

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>vidya.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>knowledge)

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>and

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is

Su

> > as

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>he

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>is

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac.

Thus 5H

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >has

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>to

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>be

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>associated with true knowledge or para-vidya.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It

shows

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>knowledge

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who

are

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >one

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>or

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>two

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>generations ahead of the native.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >(Chap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>11,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications)

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning)

from

> > 8H

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>(occult)

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy

with

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >this

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>to

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>be

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>The

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>considered

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>twice - once by itself and another time by being the

> > house

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>from

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>which 11H is the 4th.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is

> > this

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >a

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If

> > so,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >I

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>intend

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>to learn this carefully.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>>===================================================================

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha

> > sarathy"

> > > > > >>>>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>Dear Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth

house

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >of

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>Mantra

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of

> > Astrology

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>then?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>5th house is the house of material knowledge and also

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>mantra.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>It

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>is

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >12th

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>house

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>(8th

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth

house

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>(mantra).

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not

the

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>Jeevatman

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>but the representative or rather the theme of the

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >jivatma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>No

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>planet

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all

the

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>rupa/guna.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house)

the

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>secrets

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>the

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>world(8th house). This could be through astrology,

but

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >need

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>not

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>be

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When

AK is

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >in

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>11th

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>house, the Block of fifth house is removed.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th

can

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>give

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>interest

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>in astrology alone, it can be any other occult

practice.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>Best wishes

> > > > > >>>>>>>partha

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >Chowdhury"

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Namaskar. It is difficult for me to

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>exactly

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point

of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>time

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>but

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>let

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>me share my thoughts.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>(occult

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >apart

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>and

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>hence

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>are mutually supportive.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>kaamatrikona.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>It

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>has the significance of gains and all kinds of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >receipts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>It

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>additionally has the significances (amongst other

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >things)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>of

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>- worshipping the deities and the good

> > > > > >>>>>>>>- extreme cunningness

> > > > > >>>>>>>>- wishfulfillment

> > > > > >>>>>>>>- wisdom

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>involvement

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>in

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>any

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK

in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>11H

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK

becomes

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>very

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>important in the chart. See what happens when AK is

in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>the

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>11H

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>in

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native

capable

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>of

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>opportunity

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>to

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key

house)!!

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>Graha

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>drishti

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >desire.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>This is only to my understanding and interpretation.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>=====================================================================

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "utpal

pathak"

> > > > > >>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Sourav Bhai,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>placement

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>in

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>11th

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>house.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th &

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>knowledge

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>for

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>importance

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten

me. I

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>am

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>not

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>asking

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>this because i have that perticular combination

but I

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>need

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>some

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>more

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>technical clarifications.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>utpal

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>Chowdhury"

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. Good point made. May I

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >add

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>a

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>fresh

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>view

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>ability

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>these,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>the

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>fifth

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>Rahu

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>have

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>special

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>astrologers.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>They

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>are

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house."

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>aparaa-

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>vidya

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >shows

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>occult

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>knowledge.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >and

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>8H

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>quality.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>jyotisha

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >and

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>Mars

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>can

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>give

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant.

As

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>you

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>rightly

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >can

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>lead

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>knowledge

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in

addition

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>to

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>having a

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>5th

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>and

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>sashtras

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>significance

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>over

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>There is another significance of Ra, that of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>a 'researcher'

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>hence

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >to

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>understand

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>jyotisha

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>talent

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>by

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >11H

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>or

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>their

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>lords. All planets have different qualities and

can

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>influence

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha learning in different ways. For example,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >Sa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>signifies

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>component

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>for a

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>good

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotishi.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Again, thanks for your good posting.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>=====================================================================

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, Utpal

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >Pathak

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>[

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>house:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>It

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>is

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>not a

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>]

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>accepted

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>as

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>very

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>important by ancient writers.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >what

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>about

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu's

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>I came to know a good explanation for this and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >pass

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>it

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>on

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>to

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>you

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>for your intrest..

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >only

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>inimical

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>to

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>aspect,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>our

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>dear

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>Jyotish

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>so

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>also wants to Teach it but in entirely different

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >way

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>and

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>for

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>wants

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>a

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>person

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>to

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by

aspecting

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>9th

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>house,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same

9th

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>house

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>aspect

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>just occured to write few lines to a already

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >better

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>learned

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>person.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>utpal

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Kramer,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Namaskar.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>connection.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>necessarily

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>become

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>as

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>astrologer.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>involvement

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>definite.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >

>=============================================================

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic-

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>astrology, "giddyupguys"

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>><giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Sourav,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Three questions:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not sure about others, but I have some

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>reasonably

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>good

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>connections in my D-24. But I believe that

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>without

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>Guru's

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>blessings

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>according

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>your

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>rising

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>sign?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >one

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>to

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>be

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>a

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>good

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>astrologer. One has to have a good 9th

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >house/lord

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>is

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>>what I

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>thought.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Can somebody explain?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>house:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>It

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>is

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>not

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>a

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Kramer

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Archives: vedic-

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>astrology

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Group info: vedic-

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>astrology/info.html

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>Krishnaarpanamastu

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>||

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Links

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology/

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To from this group, send an email

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >to:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Your use of is subject to the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>>>>Terms

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>of

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Service.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>protection

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>around

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>Group info: vedic-

> > > > astrology/info.html

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Links

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>vedic astrology/

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>vedic astrology

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Terms

> > of

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>Service.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > > around

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Group info: vedic-

> > > astrology/info.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > >

> > > > > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > > > > Links

> > > > > >

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > Links

> >

>

> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,

> partvinu.blogspot.com <http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man

speaks or

> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never

leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

April 23, 2005

My correction as Feb 1985 & not 2005

regards

pathak

vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

>

> Dear Partha Garu,

>

> I visited the site & got your birth details and also some details

> about you.

>

> nothing can solace a person when mother departs..I have looked in

to

> the combination for early demise of your mother. there are many and

> cearly reflected also in D-12 (Why people overlook such a proof i

> wonder ..)

>

> I was also seeing the transit and dasha. did it happen in Moon and

> Fag end of Ketu antardasha. when Rahu just came in to 8th from moon

> and 2nd from 4th... i mean around Feb,2005?

>

> intrestingly enough your intrest in astrology started in Rahu

> Mahadasha and it is in 11th. my intrest in astrlogy also started in

> Rahu major and rah is in 8th for me.

>

> hope i have not offend you

>

> utpal

>

> vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

> <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > Dear Utpal

> > Sanjayji has in one of his mails talked of this yoga to Mumin.

You

> can

> > check the archives.

> > Thinking aloud

> > Let us put Jupiter in first. One malefic in fourth and 8th. Say

if

> we have

> > Saturn in 4th and sun in 8th. mercury and venus cannot run very

> far. Let us

> > put Venus in 9th. Mercury in 7th. Now moon has to be in fifth and

> another

> > malefic either oF rahu or ketu should be with this moon. Now moon

> is waning,

> > thus cannot be considered a benefic. So Going by strict

> interpretation of

> > AND condition, it is difficult here.

> > Interchange moon with Jupiter, then there is a condition for

Matsya

> yoga

> > very close to perfection. Anyone out there??!

> > If we use OR condition, we might get quite a few pseudo matsya

> yogis like

> > me.

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Partha Garu,

> > >

> > > I am also of the opinion that Rahu/Ketu should be included in

The

> > > Matsya Yoga defination as Provided by Dr Raman.

> > >

> > > I need to clarify that whatever i Posted in my today's mail has

> been

> > > completely taken from the book as it is.

> > >

> > > In Remarks Dr Raman himself has shown the surprise becuase the

> yoga

> > > says 1st & 9th should have only malefics.

> > >

> > > and if we take the yoga defination as it is (as provided by Shri

> > > Raman)and including Rahu then It becomes really a very Rare

> > > combination to occur in a chart.

> > >

> > > I would also request Sanjayji or anybody who knows the source,

to

> > > help by quoting the precise Shloka.

> > >

> > > thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > Pathak

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utpal

> > > >

> > > > Thinking logically how can a malefic in lagna/9th make a

> > > > person "ocean of love" or was Shri Raman talking of some other

> > > Matsya

> > > > yoga??

> > > >

> > > > What you have inferred is also quite brilliant. This is the

> outcome

> > > > of your logical thinking. Thus it is clear that we must

include

> > > nodes.

> > > > If we exclude nodes then only two candidates will be left

which

> is

> > > > impossible.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot quote you the sanskrit shloka as my internet version

> > > doesnot

> > > > have it, but i will give the translated one. I have the

shloka

> in

> > > the

> > > > book that i have at home,but not the internet version.

> > > >

> > > > ""Matsya Yog. Benefics in Dharm and Tanu Bhava, mixed Grahas

in

> > > Putr

> > > > Bhava and malefics in Bandhu and Randhr Bhava: this array of

> Grahas

> > > > at birth will produce Matsya Yog. In effect the native will

be a

> > > > Jyotishi, be a synonym of kindness, be virtuous, strong,

> beautiful,

> > > > famous, learned and pious.""

> > > >

> > > > Now Sanjayji had posted on Matsya yog quite a few times in

this

> > > > group. He has used the Or condition and not the And

condition.

> He

> > > > also talked about the partial formation.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Parth Garu & Kasturi,

> > > > >

> > > > > as conveyed to you I was not sure about the defination

which

> you

> > > > > provided me yesterday hence Yesterday night I again opened

the

> > > Book

> > > > > of Dr Raman i.e 9th edition of '300 Importnat Combination'.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am giving the exact details written in that

> > > > >

> > > > > "

> > > > > Defination - If Lagna and 9th are joined by malefics, the

5th

> by

> > > > both

> > > > > malefic & benefics, the 4th and the 8th by Malefics, Matsya

> yoga

> > > is

> > > > > formed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Results - The person will be an ocean of love, a reader of

> times,

> > > > > good natured, strong character, famous, religious & learned.

> > > > >

> > > > > Remarks - This seems to be a peculiar combination because

two

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > most important houses, viz.,Lagna and the ninth should be

> > > occupied

> > > > by

> > > > > evil planets, the fifth should contain a mixture of good &

> evil

> > > > > planets while malefics alone should occupy the 4th & 8th.

such

> > > > togas,

> > > > > though not impossible of occurrence, are indeed rare

because

> if

> > > > > mercury and the moon become benefical by good association &

> > > waxing

> > > > > resectively, onlt 3 malefics are left out(Excluding Rahu &

> Ketu)

> > > to

> > > > > cause the yoga. If Rahu & ketu are also included, then all

the

> > > > > malefics can not occupy the 1st,9th,4th & 8th in as much as

> Rahu

> > > &

> > > > > ketu must always be 180 degree apart. The presence of of

> Matsya

> > > > yoga

> > > > > in a horoscope may be admitted if Lagna,4th,8th & 9th or

> atleast

> > > > > Lagna & 9th have malefics and the 5th have both benefics &

> > > malefics.

> > > > > In Sanskrit Matsya means a fish and this yoga is supposed

to

> be a

> > > > > very favourable on. the high place given to it is equalled

by

> its

> > > > > conspicuous rarity in actual horoscope. If we include the

> aspects

> > > > of

> > > > > planets also, then the yoga can occur in 1 number of

> horoscopes

> > > > > "

> > > > >

> > > > > The above has fundamental difference with the one which you

> have

> > > > > provided.

> > > > >

> > > > > I request you to give the Shloka and clarify for the

> advantage of

> > > > all

> > > > > the readers.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Utpal

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "R. Kasthuri Rangan"

> > > > > <rkrangan@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Utpal, Partha and friends

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just to give you more thoughts:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Sankaracharya of Sringeri, His Holiness Jagadguru Sri

> > > > Bharathi

> > > > > > Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His Holiness has Ketu in

> the

> > > > 9th,

> > > > > > Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th.

> Ref:

> > > > > Jataka

> > > > > > Parijaatha Sloka 146.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > R. Kasthuri Rangan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > utpal pathak wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear Partha Garu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>THe condition is

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > > > > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > > > > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't

> > > > include 'OR'

> > > > > > >option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know

> even

> > > to

> > > > > > >translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact

> details

> > > > from

> > > > > > >the book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the

> site.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >utpal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >vedic astrology, "V.Partha

sarathy"

> > > > > > ><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>Dear Utpal

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be

considered,

> as

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically

for

> > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > >>(refer Jaimini Sutras).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>THe condition is

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

> > > > > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

> > > > > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna

> > > > > > >>Rahu in fourth

> > > > > > >>Venus and Sun in fifth

> > > > > > >>He has perfect Matsya Yoga

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth

> aspects

> > > > it)

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >No

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>other planet aspects it

> > > > > > >>Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion,

> hard

> > > > life)

> > > > > > >>Jupiter and ketu in fifth.

> > > > > > >>My chart is also there on Srijagannath site.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon

> when

> > > > > Waxing.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Best wishes

> > > > > > >>partha

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

> > > > > > >><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>Respected Partha Garu,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take

> any

> > > > rule

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule

> working

> > > for

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >every

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or

> > > otherwise

> > > > of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > >>peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable

> suggetion

> > > as

> > > > > it

> > > > > > >>will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented

in

> his

> > > > 300

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>imp.combination book

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if

> > > > looking

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >for

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible'

> for

> > > > > Matsya

> > > > > > >>yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt

> while

> > > > > erading

> > > > > > >>it that it may not be impossible but must be rare.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love.

> loved

> > > > by

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>all, very respectable etc..

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>if i correctly remember, it is said to present when

> Lagna,

> > > > 4th,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having

> > > combination

> > > > of

> > > > > > >>Malefic & Benefic ?

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>am i missing something?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>regards,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Pathak

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Dear Utpal

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any

rule

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > >>>pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and

they

> are

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>neither

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual

> subjects.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called

> > > Matsya

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >yoga,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>have you read it.

> > > > > > >>>Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>best wishes

> > > > > > >>>partha

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > > > > > >>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>Dear Souravji & Parthaji,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house

> placement

> > > of

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>Atmakarak

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.

> > > > > > >>>>as i have already written in my previous mail that I

am

> not

> > > > > > >>>>understanding the much importance given to 11th house

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>subject

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious

that

> it

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>4th

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>but I have found a good reasoning by which i can

> > > technically

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>accept

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>the rule which is described as under

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>as we know that

> > > > > > >>>>1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd,

5th,

> 8th

> > > &

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>11th.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>as it is said that connection of the above houses may

> > > > generate

> > > > > > >>>>interest in astrology and allied studies.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the

> > > > > > >>>>Direction/desire of one's atma

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult

> knowledge

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >such

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>as

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>astrology.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of

> > > > desires,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>also

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra)

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>Now if we combined the above 5 points than very

> intresting

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>product

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets

connected

> with

> > > > all

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>the

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>above points. The most important point in favour of

11th

> > > > house

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive

interference)

> to

> > > th

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >8th

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause

> > > argala

> > > > to

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>8th

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>and 5th even causes virodh argala.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>With the above explanation to myself, I can now

without

> > > dowbt

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>accept

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish

or

> any

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >other

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>occult knowledge.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>will be hapy to know your views.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>best regards

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>Utpal

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha

> sarathy"

> > > > > > >>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>Dear Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo,

for

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >example

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>d-

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>20,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20

> > > > > > >>>>>Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus

fourth

> > > > house

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>is

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>the

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.

> > > > > > >>>>>Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be

> taken

> > > > as

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>12

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>4th house represents the school till 12th class.in

> > > siddhamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>9th represents undergraduate

> > > > > > >>>>>2nd house-post graduation

> > > > > > >>>>>7th house-doctoral

> > > > > > >>>>>12th house -post doctoral.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>Now this is for mundane level studies.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd

> house,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >4th

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>house

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher

> learning

> > > > > > >>>>>9th house for Guru based scriptural learning

> > > > > > >>>>>12th house for Spiritual learning.

> > > > > > >>>>>The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also

> > > Karaka

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>9th

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th

> house)

> > > > but

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>also

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>for gurupadesa.

> > > > > > >>>>>The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your

> turn

> > > to

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>think

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>as

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka

for

> > > 12th

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>house.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.

> > > > > > >>>>>There is no redundancy when you think harder

regarding

> 8th

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>house.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>8th

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th

> house

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >shows

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>learning of the same.

> > > > > > >>>>>Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the

actual

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >activity

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>is

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>seen from 5th house.

> > > > > > >>>>>AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >paramatma.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>best wishes

> > > > > > >>>>>partha

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> Chowdhury"

> > > > > > >>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>Dear Partha-ji,

> > > > > > >>>>>>Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However

> > > > > > >>>>>>there are two issues:

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material

> knowledge.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >It

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>is

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for

> sustenance

> > > of

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury

is

> > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>karaka

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord

of

> > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>4th

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>house

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon

> > > represents

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>samsara

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light

reflects

> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>light

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>of

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya.

Knowledge

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>associated

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and

not

> para-

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>vidya.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>knowledge)

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>and

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka

is

> Su

> > > as

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>he

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>is

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac.

> Thus 5H

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >has

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>to

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>be

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>associated with true knowledge or para-vidya.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It

> shows

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>knowledge

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher

who

> are

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >one

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>or

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>two

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>generations ahead of the native.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on

Siddhamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >(Chap.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>11,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications)

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning)

> from

> > > 8H

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>(occult)

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy

> with

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >this

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>to

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>be

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>The

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th

being

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>considered

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>twice - once by itself and another time by being the

> > > house

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>from

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>which 11H is the 4th.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage.

Is

> > > this

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >a

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere.

If

> > > so,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >I

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>intend

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>to learn this carefully.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

>>===================================================================

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha

> > > sarathy"

> > > > > > >>>>>><partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>Dear Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth

> house

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>Mantra

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>then?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>5th house is the house of material knowledge and

also

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>mantra.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>It

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>is

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from

the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >12th

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>house

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>(8th

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the

fifth

> house

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>(mantra).

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is

not

> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>Jeevatman

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>but the representative or rather the theme of the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >jivatma.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>No

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>planet

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all

> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>rupa/guna.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house)

> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>secrets

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>the

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>world(8th house). This could be through astrology,

> but

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >need

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>not

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>be

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When

> AK is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>11th

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>house, the Block of fifth house is removed.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in

11th

> can

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>give

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>interest

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>in astrology alone, it can be any other occult

> practice.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>Best wishes

> > > > > > >>>>>>>partha

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >Chowdhury"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Namaskar. It is difficult for me to

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>exactly

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that

point

> of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>time

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>but

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>let

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>me share my thoughts.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>(occult

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four

houses

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >apart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>and

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>hence

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>are mutually supportive.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>kaamatrikona.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>It

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>has the significance of gains and all kinds of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >receipts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>It

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>additionally has the significances (amongst other

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >things)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>of

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>- worshipping the deities and the good

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>- extreme cunningness

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>- wishfulfillment

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>- wisdom

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>involvement

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>in

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>any

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>of these houses is good. I can only imagine that

AK

> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>11H

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK

> becomes

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>very

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>important in the chart. See what happens when AK

is

> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>the

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>11H

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>in

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native

> capable

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>of

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>opportunity

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>to

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key

> house)!!

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>Graha

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>drishti

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >desire.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>This is only to my understanding and

interpretation.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

>=====================================================================

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "utpal

> pathak"

> > > > > > >>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>Sourav Bhai,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>placement

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>in

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>11th

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>house.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th

&

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>knowledge

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>for

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>importance

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>of

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten

> me. I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>am

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>not

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>asking

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>this because i have that perticular combination

> but I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>need

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>some

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>more

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>technical clarifications.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>utpal

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>Chowdhury"

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. Good point made. May I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >add

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>a

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>fresh

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>view

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>ability

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>these,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>the

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>fifth

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>the controlling house for the future. Jupiter

and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>Rahu

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>have

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>special

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>astrologers.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>They

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>are

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house."

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>aparaa-

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>vidya

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >shows

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>occult

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>knowledge.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>8H

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>quality.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can

give

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>jyotisha

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >meant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>Mars

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>can

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>give

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>8th aspect. Hence these planets are

significant.

> As

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>you

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>rightly

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >can

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>lead

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>knowledge

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in

> addition

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>to

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>having a

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>5th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect is himself the planet of dhi -

intelligence

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>and

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>sashtras

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>significance

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>over

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>There is another significance of Ra, that of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>a 'researcher'

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>hence

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu aspect can show intense research that is

good

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>understand

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>However, I tend to keep my views on assessment

of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>jyotisha

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>talent

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>by

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H

and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >11H

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>or

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>their

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>lords. All planets have different qualities and

> can

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>influence

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha learning in different ways. For

example,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >Sa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>signifies

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>component

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>for a

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>good

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotishi.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Again, thanks for your good posting.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

>=====================================================================

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, Utpal

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >Pathak

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>[

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>house:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>It

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>is

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>not a

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>]

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>accepted

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>as

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>very

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>important by ancient writers.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >what

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>about

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu's

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>I came to know a good explanation for this and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >pass

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>it

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>on

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>to

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>you

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>for your intrest..

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >only

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>inimical

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>to

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>aspect,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>our

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>dear

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to

teach

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>Jyotish

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>so

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>also wants to Teach it but in entirely different

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>and

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>for

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>opposite motives. Guru want to give good

qualities

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>wants

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>a

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>person

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>to

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by

> aspecting

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>9th

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>house,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same

> 9th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>house

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>aspect

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>just occured to write few lines to a already

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >better

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>learned

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>person.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>utpal

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Kramer,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Namaskar.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see

that

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>connection.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>necessarily

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>become

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>as

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>astrologer.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know

Ke's

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>involvement

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>definite.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >

> >=============================================================

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic-

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>astrology, "giddyupguys"

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>><giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Sourav,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Three questions:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not sure about others, but I have some

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>reasonably

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>good

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>connections in my D-24. But I believe that

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>without

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>Guru's

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>blessings

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>according

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>your

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>rising

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>sign?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >one

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>to

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>be

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>a

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>good

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>astrologer. One has to have a good 9th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >house/lord

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>is

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>what I

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>thought.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Can somebody explain?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>house:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>It

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>is

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>not

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>a

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Kramer

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Archives: vedic-

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>astrology

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Group info: vedic-

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>astrology/info.html

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>Krishnaarpanamastu

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>||

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Links

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology/

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To from this group, send an email

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >to:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Your use of is subject to the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>>>>Terms

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Service.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>protection

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>around

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Group info: vedic-

> > > > > astrology/info.html

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Links

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>vedic astrology/

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>vedic astrology

> > > > > > >>>

Terms

> > > of

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>Service.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > > > around

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Group info: vedic-

> > > > astrology/info.html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > > > > > Links

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > --

> > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > partvinu.blogspot.com <http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

> >

> > All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man

> speaks or

> > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

> acts with a

> > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never

> leaves him.

> > -----Buddha

> >

> > Plot.no.71

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