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There may not be a Matsya Yoga in the case you mentioned as A benefic is not

there in either 1st or 9th, We have to consider natural benefics.

Best wishes

partha

 

On 4/22/05, R. Kasthuri Rangan <rkrangan > wrote:

Dear Utpal, Partha and friendsJust to give you more thoughts:

The Sankaracharya of Sringeri,

 

 

His Holiness Jagadguru Sri Bharathi Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga.

 

 

His Holiness has Ketu in the 9th, Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter

in the 4th. Ref: Jataka Parijaatha Sloka 146.

Best wishesR. Kasthuri Rangan utpal pathak wrote: Dear Partha Garu,

 

 

THe condition is

 

a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

 

Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga.

 

If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't include 'OR'

option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know even to

translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact details from

the book.

 

It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the site.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

utpal

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

Dear Utpal

 

Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be considered, as Rahu

is

a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically for Jyotish

(refer Jaimini Sutras).

 

THe condition is

 

a) A benefic in lagna or 9th

b) A malefic in 4th or 8th

c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic).

 

Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna

Rahu in fourth

Venus and Sun in fifth

He has perfect Matsya Yoga

 

myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth aspects it)

No

other planet aspects it

Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, hard life)

Jupiter and ketu in fifth.

My chart is also there on Srijagannath site.

 

note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon when Waxing.

 

Best wishes

partha

 

 

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

Respected Partha Garu,

 

Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take any rule

with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule working for

every

chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or otherwise of a

peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable suggetion as it

will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'.

 

I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented in his 300

imp.combination book

and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if looking

for

the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' for Matsya

yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt while erading

it that it may not be impossible but must be rare.

 

I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. loved by

all, very respectable etc..

 

if i correctly remember, it is said to present when Lagna, 4th,

7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having combination of

Malefic & Benefic ?

 

am i missing something?

 

Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me.

 

regards,

 

Pathak

 

"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

 

Dear Utpal

 

Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any rule with a

pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and they are

neither

interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual subjects.

 

BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called Matsya

yoga,

have you read it.

Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga.

 

best wishes

partha

 

 

vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

Dear Souravji & Parthaji,

 

I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house placement of

Atmakarak

& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour.

as i have already written in my previous mail that I am not

understanding the much importance given to 11th house for the

subject

of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious that it is a

4th

house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya.

 

but I have found a good reasoning by which i can technically

accept

the rule which is described as under

 

as we know that

1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, 5th, 8th &

11th.

as it is said that connection of the above houses may generate

interest in astrology and allied studies.

 

2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the

Direction/desire of one's atma

 

3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th

 

4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult knowledge

such

as

astrology.

 

5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of desires,

also

the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra)

 

Now if we combined the above 5 points than very intresting

product

comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets connected with all

the

above points. The most important point in favour of 11th house

is

that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive interference) to th

8th

house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause argala to

8th

and 5th even causes virodh argala.

 

With the above explanation to myself, I can now without dowbt

accept

the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish or any

other

occult knowledge.

 

will be hapy to know your views.

 

best regards

 

Utpal

 

 

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

Dear Sourav

 

The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, for

example

d-

20,

20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20

Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus fourth house

is

the

basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha.

Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be taken as

12

itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya.

 

4th house represents the school till 12th class.in siddhamsa

9th represents undergraduate

2nd house-post graduation

7th house-doctoral

12th house -post doctoral.

 

Now this is for mundane level studies.

 

In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd house,

4th

house

schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher learning

9th house for Guru based scriptural learning

12th house for Spiritual learning.

The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also Karaka

of

9th

and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th house) but

also

for gurupadesa.

The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your turn to

think

as

to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka for 12th

house.

Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn.

There is no redundancy when you think harder regarding 8th

house.

8th

house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th house

shows

learning of the same.

Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the actual

activity

is

seen from 5th house.

AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of

paramatma.

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"

<sourav12@h...> wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Partha-ji,

Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However

there are two issues:

 

1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material knowledge.

It

is

apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for sustenance of

the

native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury is the

karaka

of

this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord of the

4th

house

in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon represents

samsara

(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light reflects the

light

of

the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. Knowledge

associated

with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and not para-

vidya.

5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual

knowledge)

and

its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka is Su as

he

is

the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. Thus 5H

has

to

be

associated with true knowledge or para-vidya.

 

12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It shows

knowledge

of

the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher who are

one

or

two

generations ahead of the native.

 

More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on Siddhamsa

(Chap.

11,

Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications)

 

2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) from 8H

(occult)

from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy with

this

to

be

the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of

things.

The

reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th being

considered

twice - once by itself and another time by being the house

from

which 11H is the 4th.

 

3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. Is this

a

conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. If so,

I

intend

to learn this carefully.

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

 

===================================================================

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

Dear Sourav

 

11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth house

of

Mantra

and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of Astrology

then?

5th house is the house of material knowledge and also

mantra.

It

is

not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from the

12th

house

(8th

from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the fifth house

(mantra).

Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is not the

Jeevatman

but the representative or rather the theme of the

jivatma.

No

planet

can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all the

rupa/guna.

When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) the

secrets

of

the

world(8th house). This could be through astrology, but

need

not

be

the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When AK is

in

11th

house, the Block of fifth house is removed.

 

Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in 11th can

give

interest

in astrology alone, it can be any other occult practice.

 

Best wishes

partha

 

vedic astrology, "Sourav

Chowdhury"

<sourav12@h...> wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Pathak-bhai,

Namaskar. It is difficult for me to

exactly

ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that point of

time

but

let

me share my thoughts.

 

2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H

(occult

knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four houses

apart

and

hence

are mutually supportive.

 

Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the

kaamatrikona.

It

has the significance of gains and all kinds of

receipts.

It

additionally has the significances (amongst other

things)

of

- worshipping the deities and the good

- extreme cunningness

- wishfulfillment

- wisdom

 

AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its

involvement

in

any

of these houses is good. I can only imagine that AK in

11H

strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK becomes

very

important in the chart. See what happens when AK is in

the

11H

in

the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native capable

of

performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct

opportunity

to

aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key house)!!

Graha

drishti

of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's

desire.

This is only to my understanding and interpretation.

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

 

=====================================================================

vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

Sourav Bhai,

 

Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's

placement

in

11th

house.

 

I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th &

knowledge

for

hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much

importance

of

Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten me. I

am

not

asking

this because i have that perticular combination but I

need

some

more

technical clarifications.

 

utpal

 

vedic astrology, "Sourav

Chowdhury"

<sourav12@h...> wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Pathak-bhai,

Namaskar. Good point made. May I

add

a

fresh

view

to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said:

 

".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the

ability

to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of

these,

the

fifth

is

the controlling house for the future. Jupiter and

Rahu

have

special

aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best

astrologers.

They

are

followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house."

 

4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows

aparaa-

vidya

(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H

shows

occult

knowledge.

 

Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H

and

8H

quality.

Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can give

jyotisha

understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji

meant.

Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects,

and

Mars

can

give

8th aspect. Hence these planets are significant. As

you

rightly

pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and

can

lead

knowledge

to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in addition

to

having a

5th

aspect is himself the planet of dhi - intelligence

and

sashtras

traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added

significance

over

Rahu.

There is another significance of Ra, that of

a 'researcher'

hence

Rahu aspect can show intense research that is good

to

understand

jyotisha.

 

However, I tend to keep my views on assessment of

jyotisha

talent

by

seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H and

11H

or

their

lords. All planets have different qualities and can

influence

jyotisha learning in different ways. For example,

Sa

signifies

discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary

component

for a

good

jyotishi.

 

Again, thanks for your good posting.

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

 

=====================================================================

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Utpal

Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

dear Saurav bhai & Cramer,

[

Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

house:

It

is

not a

planet right?

]

 

Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are

accepted

as

very

important by ancient writers.

Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but

what

about

Rahu's

5th, 9th & 12th Drashti?

 

I came to know a good explanation for this and

pass

it

on

to

you

for your intrest..

 

Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is

only

inimical

to

Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign

aspect,

our

dear

demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to teach

Jyotish

so

Rahu

also wants to Teach it but in entirely different

way

and

for

opposite motives. Guru want to give good qualities

wants

a

person

to

follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by aspecting

9th

house,

Rahu

wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same 9th

house

aspect

and

wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable'

 

 

just occured to write few lines to a already

better

learned

person.

 

utpal

 

 

 

Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote:

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Kramer,

Namaskar.

 

1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see that

connection.

2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not

necessarily

become

as

astrologer.

 

3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know Ke's

involvement

is

definite.

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

 

=============================================================

vedic-

astrology, "giddyupguys"

<giddyupguys> wrote:

Sourav,

 

Three questions:

I am not sure about others, but I have some

reasonably

good

connections in my D-24. But I believe that

without

Guru's

blessings

How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets

according

your

rising

sign?

 

Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for

one

to

be

a

good

astrologer. One has to have a good 9th

house/lord

is

what I

thought.

Can somebody explain?

 

Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th

house:

It

is

not

a

planet right?

 

Kramer

 

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