Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Partha-ji, Namaskar. If "clearing basics" is not about jyotisha then I have to apologize. But if it is otherwise then don't. What is "basics" of fate and free-will ? Also, you mentioned to go to philosophical gurus instead of jyotish gurus. This led me to think you are only talking about "basics of jyotish". Its not putting word into anyone's mouth; its what it appears. Just the other day you gave a long list of similies on 'arudhas'. You can add this to it next time. Regards, Sourav -------------------------------- vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > Dear Sourav > I am astonished to see your mail, where you are making false allegations. > Where did i say that one must not learn philosophy and master the Basics of > astrology first. Can you show me the Mail where i said it? > I had posted only one mail on this thread, where i asked Panditji to clear > the basics first. You have assumed that i have talked about basics of > "astrology" whereas i was very clearly pointing out to the definition of > fate and free will. > You have taken it in totally wrong way and gone ahead with your posts to > different members. Atleast the minimum thing you should have done is to > clarify with me before i wrote it in case you did not understand what i > wrote. You can see he was talking of free will and fate for which i replied. > Where is the "*clearing of jyotish basics " come from?????* > best wishes > partha > > > On 4/23/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear natalcharts_biz, > > Namaskar. Thaks for your love and concern for > > me. This **exactly** what happens when people do not read a posting > > carefully and jump up to give their version of the truth > > irrespective of the topic of discussion. > > > > I CLEARLY stated that I am not going to learn from any jyotisha guru > > about spirituality and divine wisdom I am only learning principles > > of jyotisha from the respected gurus like Guru Sanjay-ji, Narasimha- > > ji and others. I quoted Sanjay-ji, NOT because I support his view, > > but because I wanted to PROVE THE POINT that he stressed learning > > why's as well as how's in jyotish. Earlier Partha-ji made a remark > > that we should learn and master basics of jyotisha before asking > > questions about fate and free-will. Pandit-ji and I are in disfavor > > of this line of education and I quoted Sanjay-ji to show that he > > emphasises learning of philosophical concepts as well as principles > > of jyotisha. Hope I am able to deliver my message to you this time ! > > Please write your posts after understanding what the context of the > > topic is. It saves a lot of unnecessary crossfire. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > ================================================================== > > > > vedic astrology, "natalcharts_biz" > > <natalcharts_biz> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > You seem convinced on a lot of things. However with only love and > > > concern for you I am writing what is below: > > > > > > I have already quoted my views on fate and free will. You can > > refer to > > > them. I have a point to make in your analysis of Brihadaranyanka > > > Upanishad. The concept that Sri Sanjay has given or what you have > > > understood is not in accordance to Sri Adi Sankara's bhashya. The > > > concept the the Upanishad explains, through the quoted verse, is > > that > > > of "Yagna" and how through upasana upon this concept one can burn > > > one's ignorance. It is to explain how in the fire of knowledge you > > > give the ahuti of your ignorance and in result know your true self. > > > > > > Please refer to the Upanishad or Living masters on the subject. > > > > > > Secondly, please refer to my previous post for understanding > > Prarabdha > > > and prarabdha karma vasanas. > > > > > > Sanchita vasanas are not burnt after death in "heaven and hell". > > > Sanchita vasanas are the sum total of all vasanas including those > > > incurred in the current birth. By accepting the fruits of our > > actions > > > or prarabdha repeatedly with "Prasada Buddhi" we overcome the > > further > > > generation of Prarabdha karma vasanas. Sanchita vasanas then are > > > brought forth for expression. > > > > > > The upanishad also says "In a instant all is burnt". A famous saint > > > has quoted on this "It may take life time to open one's eyes, > > however > > > sight happens in a flash" > > > > > > I also read in a place that you so aggressively questioned the > > right > > > to question the principles laid by your teachers. The Vedas demand > > a > > > questioning student. It was Nachiketa's questions that got him the > > > knowledge from Yama (Kathopanishad). It was Arjuna's questions that > > > got Krishna's response (Bhagavad Gita). It was Rama's questions > > that > > > got the Brahma Gnana from none other than Brahma Rsi Vashishtha > > (Yoga > > > Vashishtha). > > > > > > Only a master who works on beliefs and not on Truth wants "no > > > questions" as we all have seen in our school days and with phoney > > > "gurus". (faith is pending understanding, by belief I mean a non > > > verifiable one) > > > > > > In this view, please study a little more, it will only help you. I > > do > > > not write this out of ego. I refrain from writing unless someone > > asks > > > but somehow I felt from within that I should inform you the same. > > > > > > Please do not mind if my words have hurt you in any way > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit-ji, > > > > Namaskar. The question of fate and free-will is > > very > > > > fundamental to astrology and I believe every student should > > first > > > > ask this question and then, after being convinced, should start > > > > astrology. Unless the philosphy of life is understood (or > > atleast > > > > attempted to be understood) learning astrology as the 'eye of > > the > > > > vedas' is of no use and reduces it to mundane knowledge. What > > Partha- > > > > ji hurridly remarked is preposterous. He thinks its best to > > learn > > > > how and they learn why, where as the natural progression of > > logic > > > > dictates just the reverse. I think, and I concur with you, we > > should > > > > approach Jyotisha both from how and why perspectives. As per my > > > > knowledge, Guru Sanjay Rath has repeatedly stressed the > > > > understanding of why. See what he writes in this opening article > > for > > > > beginners: "Divisions of Jyotish " > > > > http://www.srath.com/lectures/divisions.htm > > > > > > > > I quote him here: > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath: "The Brhadaranyaka Upanishad explains the Karma > > theory > > > > with reference to the theory of Transmigration of the soul > > > > (samsara). The pious and good souls who have lived a dharmic > > life > > > > depart for the abode of the forefathers and other such loka. > > After a > > > > period of temporary bliss, they move on to emptiness via the > > Moon. > > > > From emptiness, they descend to the earth with the rain and > > enter > > > > the food that is consumed by the prospective father. From the > > food > > > > they become spermatozoa and are offered to the prospective > > mother in > > > > the altar of fire (copulation). Then the birth occurs. The > > Upanishad > > > > adds that the unrighteous are incarnated as birds, insects, > > animals > > > > or plants on the basis of the Karma of the past lives. It is > > > > generally taught that conduct and adherence to the moral code > > > > determined these changes. Thus good karma would promise an > > exalted > > > > future while bad karma will tend to degrade the soul in the > > lines > > > > of ` as you sow so will you reap'. This doctrine of Karma > > > > (literally "action") provides a very satisfactory explanation > > for > > > > the various social inequalities that exist as well as the > > troubles > > > > or grief that one faces as it is the result of one's own acts or > > > > misdeeds in the past. These Karma are divided into two > > categories > > > > called Sanchita and Prarabdha. The results of Sanchita Karma > > will be > > > > exhausted in the various heavens and hells after death whereas > > only > > > > experiencing them can lessen the results of Prarabdha Karma. > > Thus, > > > > it is this Prarabdha Karma, which is the cause of rebirth." > > > > > > > > I dont think Pt. Rath has written this article for very advanced > > > > jyotishis only. > > > > > > > > I reply to Partha-ji's e-mail I only had to offer him a *smile*. > > Its > > > > best not to attempt to learn the higher philosophical concepts > > from > > > > a learned jyotishi but attempt should be made to learn from the > > > > direct sources themselves like Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa > > and > > > > our modern maharshi Swami Vivekananda. Hence, I didnt want to > > > > quarrel about what is basics and what is not basics and left the > > > > matter to rest. > > > > > > > > To each his own. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > =============================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji > > <navagraha@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > My basics are fine. I do not think anyone is an absolute > > authority > > > > on > > > > > fate or free will. There are various opinions. If you are > > > > suggesting > > > > > that fate and/or free will is not the domain of jyotish, I > > have to > > > > > disagree. Infact many jataks ask whether everything is > > destined ? > > > > If > > > > > so whats the use of jyotish ? If not, then also whats the use > > of > > > > > jyotish ? > > > > > > > > > > Infact to talk about jyotish without pondering on this > > question is > > > > a > > > > > bad idea. You say "What I say about free will is totally > > tanget > > > > from > > > > > reality". You are neither an authority on free will nor are > > you an > > > > > authority on reality. > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clear your basics first. For philosopical matters > > like > > > > Free will, it > > > > > > is not Jyotish gurus but Philosophical Gurus like Aurobindo, > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahansa, Vivekananda should be read. What you say about > > free > > > > will is > > > > > > totally off tangent from the real definition. Please read > > > > Vivekananda. Call > > > > > > me a Chela no probs. You are technically wrong about chela > > of > > > > SJC part. No > > > > > > one is a chela of SJC, all are students of their respective > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > gurus.Thanks anyway, I still consider myself a chela of this > > > > divine science. > > > > > > I am quite proud of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/05, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adridha karma one may not have much free will< > > > > > > > I meant dridha karma one may not have much free will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I apologize for saying Mr. Partha sarthy. Just > > because he > > > > chose > > > > > > > to deride me on the list is no excuse for me to do the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/05, Panditji <navagraha@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souravji has made some good points and jyotish is a > > > > science/art of > > > > > > > > tendencies. One can not ignore the effect of free will. > > > > Whether there > > > > > > > > is free will or not is also debatable. My jyotish guru > > says > > > > that if > > > > > > > > one gets a good jyotish reading ( from an expereinced > > > > jyotishi versed > > > > > > > > in shastras and with plenty of life experience to go > > with > > > > it) then the > > > > > > > > native gets a free will. That means ones we know what is > > in > > > > store for > > > > > > > > us as prarabdha then one has a free will to decide how > > to > > > > accept it. > > > > > > > > It is very important that the jyotishi is adept enough > > to > > > > read what > > > > > > > > karmas are dridha and dridha-adridha or adridha then the > > > > jatak can be > > > > > > > > counselled as to what area of life free will can reign. > > In > > > > the areas > > > > > > > > of adridha karma one may not have much free will. Some > > > > allude that if > > > > > > > > one is really sincere in prayer and lives the life in > > total > > > > surrender > > > > > > > > to the higher power some of the bad effects of prarabdha > > are > > > > only > > > > > > > > experienced in dreams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the jyotishis I know only use prashna, or KP > > > > prashana. They > > > > > > > > say that with prashan the event is current and has very > > > > short duration > > > > > > > > of applicability so the free will does not come into > > play > > > > that much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Besides Narasimha and to some extent Visti and > > sanjay > > > > prabhakaran > > > > > > > > it is a waste of time to debate issues with other sjc > > > > chelas. Partha > > > > > > > > sarathy is a total waste of time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Praveen-ji, > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I totally agree and commend > > this > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > and hope this thread grows long, pooling in different > > > > thoughts. Just > > > > > > > > > the other day, I explained a person's chart for his > > car > > > > accidents > > > > > > > > > (using both rasi and then D-16) and found the the > > > > indications of > > > > > > > > > having an accident is very strong. Then I asked what > > > > gemstones the > > > > > > > > > person is wearing and found that he has been wearing a > > > > stone for the > > > > > > > > > 12th house's lord ! I was surprised and it made me > > think > > > > something > > > > > > > > > is going wrong as no reasonable astrologer will > > recommend > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > gemstone. Then I found that the person gave me wrong > > > > latitude and > > > > > > > > > longitude information and again recalculating the > > chart I > > > > found that > > > > > > > > > the new chart is totally different and yet again I can > > > > fully explain > > > > > > > > > how this new chart can show the accidents ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moral is , and this is a very important moral, > > that > > > > precision of > > > > > > > > > time place and due consideration for the *definition* > > of > > > > event is > > > > > > > > > necessary. The reason is simple. Astrology is a > > > > probabilistic > > > > > > > > > science and it gives predictions based on that only. > > There > > > > are > > > > > > > > > various layers of information and rasi chart is the > > first > > > > layer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is plenty of debate still out there > > about > > > > > > > > > definition of an event. Take the example of birth > > time. > > > > Some people > > > > > > > > > consider severing the umbilical cord as birth time, > > some > > > > take it as > > > > > > > > > the first cry (i.e. the first intake of breath or > > prana) > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > forth. There are atleast 10 definitions of birth. Some > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > event do not bother about precision of birth time and > > > > start with a > > > > > > > > > given time and like to precisely rectify (read adjust) > > the > > > > time so > > > > > > > > > that all the past events are correctly aligning with > > that > > > > time, and > > > > > > > > > then take that time for future predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that this above way is pretty good, but it can > > > > never be > > > > > > > > > precise. The reason is that there are two forces that > > are > > > > playing in > > > > > > > > > each of our lives -- fate (accumulated effect of past > > > > karma) and > > > > > > > > > free will. From a birth chart we know the impression > > of > > > > accumuated > > > > > > > > > karma but can we trap the signature of free will > > inside > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > chart also. If we do, then its no longer a free will, > > is > > > > it, and > > > > > > > > > astrology and life itself, becomes totally > > deterministic. > > > > Hence, if > > > > > > > > > we try to > > > > > > > > > take a rectified birth chart and predict an event too > > far > > > > away into > > > > > > > > > the future then we are neglecting the effect of free > > will > > > > in between > > > > > > > > > these two times. Many astrologers say that for highly > > > > evolved souls > > > > > > > > > ( mahapurushas ) our 'normal' astrological principles > > do > > > > not work. > > > > > > > > > Why ?? May be its because of the high degree of free > > will > > > > they > > > > > > > > > possess. Thus we should not think of astrology as a > > > > deterministic > > > > > > > > > predictive science, but as a tool that can be refined > > and > > > > adjusted > > > > > > > > > as we go along with our lives (meaning reassessing as > > > > chart time > > > > > > > > > every year or every couple of years) to see which > > > > direction our > > > > > > > > > lives are taking with the combined effect of fate and > > free > > > > will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mundane astrology and Muhurta astrology (i.e. > > assessing > > > > the future > > > > > > > > > effects of a particular event that occurred at a given > > > > place or a > > > > > > > > > time) needs more thought than Natal astrology. Here > > the > > > > free will > > > > > > > > > component is much more and more varied and cannot > > assessed > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > That is why we see that different gurus of SJC > > analysed > > > > the US > > > > > > > > > elections and gave completely different ( but both > > > > logically > > > > > > > > > precise) predictions. If one of the predictions become > > > > successful, I > > > > > > > > > will still hesitate to believe that that particular > > > > astrologer is > > > > > > > > > better than another astrologer whose prediction came > > out > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This posting is getting too long and may be trying for > > > > someone's > > > > > > > > > patience. So let me end by reiterating the need to get > > > > precise data > > > > > > > > > to start with but also the need to reevaluate a chart > > time > > > > to time > > > > > > > > > for making it better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps, and I am surely expecting some good > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > > Vargas > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon > > > > changes its > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive > > > > principle is > > > > > > > > > advance predictions, which they always elude. Veteran > > > > astrologers of > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji > > too > > > > advised > > > > > > > > > them, but of no avail. A whole generation is being > > > > misguided. Most > > > > > > > > > unfortunate ! But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is > > the > > > > will of the > > > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope > > Benedict > > > > XVI/Shri > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope > > can > > > > be > > > > > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > > > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not > > > > given due > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > > basis > > > > of varga - > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > > analysis - > > > > Pls make > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga > > of a > > > > > > > > > planet/lagna > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar > > analysis > > > > on > > > > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and > > > > correcting - > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to > > > > know if you > > > > > > > > > hold a > > > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering > > the > > > > vargas > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't > > it > > > > mean that > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read > > the > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > > chakra? > > > > Division by > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which > > is > > > > this main? > > > > > > > > > If we > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then > > > > where is the > > > > > > > > > main? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the > > sage > > > > defined > > > > > > > > > divisions > > > > > > > > > > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a > > > > single varga > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During > > your > > > > analysis of > > > > > > > > > Late > > > > > > > > > > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning > > > > Saraswati yoga > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how > > > > Saraswati yoga > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for > > shareera > > > > or > > > > > > > > > physique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now people have started recognizing the validity > > of > > > > these > > > > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that > > one > > > > can find > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works > > well > > > > for > > > > > > > > > me ''.Now > > > > > > > > > > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As > > > > hundreds of > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 > > > > planets - One > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and > > feel > > > > happy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope > > > > Ratzinger and > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > ''happy''.A french site is having another time and > > > > they too are > > > > > > > > > > ''happy''.With a totally different time in the > > morning > > > > 6.33 - you > > > > > > > > > > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with > > 14.23.Taking > > > > shri > > > > > > > > > Nrasimhas > > > > > > > > > > example i am requesting members to consider how > > > > convinced we can > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the > > > > > > > > > time!!!!!!!!.With > > > > > > > > > > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your analysis using the amsha dieties within > > dashamsha > > > > is a very > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike > > houses > > > > in > > > > > > > > > vargas.I > > > > > > > > > > hope your research in this area will prove helpful > > for > > > > students > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > me in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting your clarification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "Narasimha > > > > P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no-one has commented on the > > > > appointment > > > > > > > > > today of > > > > > > > > > > the new pope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > occasion > > > > > > > > > > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time at which he seems to have accepted his > > > > election is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 April 19 > > > > > > > > > > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east) > > > > > > > > > > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2) > > > > > > > > > > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is > > auspicious > > > > for > > > > > > > > > spreading > > > > > > > > > > the genuine knowledge of some parampara > > > > (tradition/lineage). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five > > > > elements. Vaara > > > > > > > > > > (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, > > > > vaara bala > > > > > > > > > (weekday > > > > > > > > > > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord > > is > > > > Mars. He > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this > > papacy > > > > will last > > > > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, there is chara karaka > > > > parivartana!!! Mars at > > > > > > > > > > 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the > > AmK > > > > (chara > > > > > > > > > amatya > > > > > > > > > > karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, > > he > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > replaced > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of > > chara > > > > karakas, > > > > > > > > > > especially involving AK, is considered very > > > > inauspicious. It > > > > > > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > change of guard in a short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite > > short- > > > > lived. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. > > > > According to the > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 > > April 16 > > > > in Marktl, > > > > > > > > > > Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, > > a > > > > Floridan > > > > > > > > > > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he > > was > > > > born in the > > > > > > > > > > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was > > baptised > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > Easter > > > > > > > > > > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the > > rising > > > > signs and > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna > > should > > > > be Ge in > > > > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. > > The > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > taking is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1927 April 16 > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00) > > > > > > > > > > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes > > him a > > > > strong, > > > > > > > > > > authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is > > in > > > > > > > > > Brahmalokamsa > > > > > > > > > > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 > > out of > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > vargas). > > > > > > > > > > Whether one agress with his views and teachings or > > > > not, he is > > > > > > > > > > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character > > > > (assuming the > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a > > quadrant > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > person of > > > > > > > > > > the stature of maharshis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. > > Pope > > > > John Paul > > > > > > > > > II > > > > > > > > > > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in > > navamsa. > > > > Pope > > > > > > > > > Benedict XVI > > > > > > > > > > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This > > shows > > > > that his > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > > > > coming in a lineage (Ketu). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter > > is > > > > in a dasamsa > > > > > > > > > > ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the > > 10th > > > > house has > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by > > > > Isaana. Isaana > > > > > > > > > is an > > > > > > > > > > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's > > dasamsa > > > > show > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's > > dasamsa > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of > > Pope > > > > John Paul II > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > several Shankaracharyas too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th > > house > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious > > > > preacher > > > > > > > > > (Isaana). > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama > > show a > > > > > > > > > disciplinarian. > > > > > > > > > > Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in > > Hinduism. > > > > Planets in > > > > > > > > > > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate > > and > > > > unemotional > > > > > > > > > > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an > > > > impassionate > > > > > > > > > keeper > > > > > > > > > > of dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is > > Aq > > > > and should > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is > > Sc. > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > empty and > > > > > > > > > > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa > > applies. > > > > During > > > > > > > > > > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called > > into > > > > the > > > > > > > > > auxiliary > > > > > > > > > > anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart > > of > > > > profession), > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd > > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > Especially, > > > > > > > > > > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's > > > > dasamsa. Such a > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars > > antardasa > > > > made him a > > > > > > > > > > military man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and > > > > theology. This > > > > > > > > > > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946- > > 1952). > > > > In D-24 > > > > > > > > > (chart > > > > > > > > > > of education), the 4th house shows basic > > education, > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > > (6th > > > > > > > > > > from 4th) shows specialized education such as > > > > bachelor's degree > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study > > such > > > > as > > > > > > > > > masters. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's > > degree > > > > in some > > > > > > > > > Aquarian > > > > > > > > > > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it > > happened > > > > in Rahu > > > > > > > > > dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the > > 12th > > > > lord in D- > > > > > > > > > 24 and > > > > > > > > > > shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D- > > 10 > > > > and occupies > > > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was > > teaching > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > theology for most of Jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known > > thru > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd > > lord > > > > in D-10 and > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop > > of > > > > Munich and > > > > > > > > > > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal > > by > > > > Pope Paul > > > > > > > > > VI. > > > > > > > > > > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in > > GL > > > > (ghatika > > > > > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > > > > > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house > > shows > > > > the > > > > > > > > > intangible > > > > > > > > > > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible > > > > > > > > > expression/manifestation > > > > > > > > > > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars > > is > > > > in A5 and > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements > > and > > > > recognitions > > > > > > > > > > during this antardasa!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus > > > > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made > > him a > > > > pope! He > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > college of > > > > > > > > > > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative > > > > birthdata I > > > > > > > > > > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa > > seems > > > > to work > > > > > > > > > > brilliantly in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ ---- > > -- > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > > > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ ---- > > -- > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dear Sourav What Panditji has mentioned on fate and free will is not even on fate and free will. He has equated something else to fate and free will. He has told that he learnt this from his Jyotish guru. All i say is that Jyotish gurus may have the philosophical knowledge or may not have philosophical knowledge. It is better to be safe on such issues and learn the issues of karma/fate etc from a authorities on philosophical subjects. Now just to prove that he is right, he denies good suggestions to read philosophy as me bieng a non entity. Fine. Even though Sanjayji has taught all of so many things, he has never stopped us from reading the finer things of Philosophy and creation from sutras and upanishads. he never said ""boss why are you reading those books?? And you have gone ahead and seconded Panditji's viewpoint without even understanding what i meant to say. This has pained me. ANd when you are writing to a third person with whom i didnot even discuss a word, you have quoted me wrongly. best wishes partha vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Partha-ji, > Namaskar. If "clearing basics" is not about jyotisha > then I have to apologize. But if it is otherwise then don't. What > is "basics" of fate and free-will ? Also, you mentioned to go to > philosophical gurus instead of jyotish gurus. This led me to think > you are only talking about "basics of jyotish". Its not putting word > into anyone's mouth; its what it appears. Just the other day you > gave a long list of similies on 'arudhas'. You can add this to it > next time. > > Regards, > > Sourav > -------------------------------- > > > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav > > I am astonished to see your mail, where you are making false > allegations. > > Where did i say that one must not learn philosophy and master the > Basics of > > astrology first. Can you show me the Mail where i said it? > > I had posted only one mail on this thread, where i asked Panditji > to clear > > the basics first. You have assumed that i have talked about basics > of > > "astrology" whereas i was very clearly pointing out to the > definition of > > fate and free will. > > You have taken it in totally wrong way and gone ahead with your > posts to > > different members. Atleast the minimum thing you should have done > is to > > clarify with me before i wrote it in case you did not understand > what i > > wrote. You can see he was talking of free will and fate for which > i replied. > > Where is the "*clearing of jyotish basics " come from?????* > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > On 4/23/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear natalcharts_biz, > > > Namaskar. Thaks for your love and concern for > > > me. This **exactly** what happens when people do not read a > posting > > > carefully and jump up to give their version of the truth > > > irrespective of the topic of discussion. > > > > > > I CLEARLY stated that I am not going to learn from any jyotisha > guru > > > about spirituality and divine wisdom I am only learning > principles > > > of jyotisha from the respected gurus like Guru Sanjay-ji, > Narasimha- > > > ji and others. I quoted Sanjay-ji, NOT because I support his > view, > > > but because I wanted to PROVE THE POINT that he stressed learning > > > why's as well as how's in jyotish. Earlier Partha-ji made a > remark > > > that we should learn and master basics of jyotisha before asking > > > questions about fate and free-will. Pandit-ji and I are in > disfavor > > > of this line of education and I quoted Sanjay-ji to show that he > > > emphasises learning of philosophical concepts as well as > principles > > > of jyotisha. Hope I am able to deliver my message to you this > time ! > > > Please write your posts after understanding what the context of > the > > > topic is. It saves a lot of unnecessary crossfire. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > vedic astrology, "natalcharts_biz" > > > <natalcharts_biz> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > You seem convinced on a lot of things. However with only love > and > > > > concern for you I am writing what is below: > > > > > > > > I have already quoted my views on fate and free will. You can > > > refer to > > > > them. I have a point to make in your analysis of > Brihadaranyanka > > > > Upanishad. The concept that Sri Sanjay has given or what you > have > > > > understood is not in accordance to Sri Adi Sankara's bhashya. > The > > > > concept the the Upanishad explains, through the quoted verse, > is > > > that > > > > of "Yagna" and how through upasana upon this concept one can > burn > > > > one's ignorance. It is to explain how in the fire of knowledge > you > > > > give the ahuti of your ignorance and in result know your true > self. > > > > > > > > Please refer to the Upanishad or Living masters on the subject. > > > > > > > > Secondly, please refer to my previous post for understanding > > > Prarabdha > > > > and prarabdha karma vasanas. > > > > > > > > Sanchita vasanas are not burnt after death in "heaven and > hell". > > > > Sanchita vasanas are the sum total of all vasanas including > those > > > > incurred in the current birth. By accepting the fruits of our > > > actions > > > > or prarabdha repeatedly with "Prasada Buddhi" we overcome the > > > further > > > > generation of Prarabdha karma vasanas. Sanchita vasanas then > are > > > > brought forth for expression. > > > > > > > > The upanishad also says "In a instant all is burnt". A famous > saint > > > > has quoted on this "It may take life time to open one's eyes, > > > however > > > > sight happens in a flash" > > > > > > > > I also read in a place that you so aggressively questioned the > > > right > > > > to question the principles laid by your teachers. The Vedas > demand > > > a > > > > questioning student. It was Nachiketa's questions that got him > the > > > > knowledge from Yama (Kathopanishad). It was Arjuna's questions > that > > > > got Krishna's response (Bhagavad Gita). It was Rama's questions > > > that > > > > got the Brahma Gnana from none other than Brahma Rsi Vashishtha > > > (Yoga > > > > Vashishtha). > > > > > > > > Only a master who works on beliefs and not on Truth wants "no > > > > questions" as we all have seen in our school days and with > phoney > > > > "gurus". (faith is pending understanding, by belief I mean a > non > > > > verifiable one) > > > > > > > > In this view, please study a little more, it will only help > you. I > > > do > > > > not write this out of ego. I refrain from writing unless > someone > > > asks > > > > but somehow I felt from within that I should inform you the > same. > > > > > > > > Please do not mind if my words have hurt you in any way > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit-ji, > > > > > Namaskar. The question of fate and free-will is > > > very > > > > > fundamental to astrology and I believe every student should > > > first > > > > > ask this question and then, after being convinced, should > start > > > > > astrology. Unless the philosphy of life is understood (or > > > atleast > > > > > attempted to be understood) learning astrology as the 'eye of > > > the > > > > > vedas' is of no use and reduces it to mundane knowledge. What > > > Partha- > > > > > ji hurridly remarked is preposterous. He thinks its best to > > > learn > > > > > how and they learn why, where as the natural progression of > > > logic > > > > > dictates just the reverse. I think, and I concur with you, we > > > should > > > > > approach Jyotisha both from how and why perspectives. As per > my > > > > > knowledge, Guru Sanjay Rath has repeatedly stressed the > > > > > understanding of why. See what he writes in this opening > article > > > for > > > > > beginners: "Divisions of Jyotish " > > > > > http://www.srath.com/lectures/divisions.htm > > > > > > > > > > I quote him here: > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath: "The Brhadaranyaka Upanishad explains the Karma > > > theory > > > > > with reference to the theory of Transmigration of the soul > > > > > (samsara). The pious and good souls who have lived a dharmic > > > life > > > > > depart for the abode of the forefathers and other such loka. > > > After a > > > > > period of temporary bliss, they move on to emptiness via the > > > Moon. > > > > > From emptiness, they descend to the earth with the rain and > > > enter > > > > > the food that is consumed by the prospective father. From the > > > food > > > > > they become spermatozoa and are offered to the prospective > > > mother in > > > > > the altar of fire (copulation). Then the birth occurs. The > > > Upanishad > > > > > adds that the unrighteous are incarnated as birds, insects, > > > animals > > > > > or plants on the basis of the Karma of the past lives. It is > > > > > generally taught that conduct and adherence to the moral code > > > > > determined these changes. Thus good karma would promise an > > > exalted > > > > > future while bad karma will tend to degrade the soul in the > > > lines > > > > > of ` as you sow so will you reap'. This doctrine of Karma > > > > > (literally "action") provides a very satisfactory explanation > > > for > > > > > the various social inequalities that exist as well as the > > > troubles > > > > > or grief that one faces as it is the result of one's own > acts or > > > > > misdeeds in the past. These Karma are divided into two > > > categories > > > > > called Sanchita and Prarabdha. The results of Sanchita Karma > > > will be > > > > > exhausted in the various heavens and hells after death > whereas > > > only > > > > > experiencing them can lessen the results of Prarabdha Karma. > > > Thus, > > > > > it is this Prarabdha Karma, which is the cause of rebirth." > > > > > > > > > > I dont think Pt. Rath has written this article for very > advanced > > > > > jyotishis only. > > > > > > > > > > I reply to Partha-ji's e-mail I only had to offer him a > *smile*. > > > Its > > > > > best not to attempt to learn the higher philosophical > concepts > > > from > > > > > a learned jyotishi but attempt should be made to learn from > the > > > > > direct sources themselves like Sri Sri Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa > > > and > > > > > our modern maharshi Swami Vivekananda. Hence, I didnt want to > > > > > quarrel about what is basics and what is not basics and left > the > > > > > matter to rest. > > > > > > > > > > To each his own. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > =============================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji > > > <navagraha@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > My basics are fine. I do not think anyone is an absolute > > > authority > > > > > on > > > > > > fate or free will. There are various opinions. If you are > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > that fate and/or free will is not the domain of jyotish, I > > > have to > > > > > > disagree. Infact many jataks ask whether everything is > > > destined ? > > > > > If > > > > > > so whats the use of jyotish ? If not, then also whats the > use > > > of > > > > > > jyotish ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact to talk about jyotish without pondering on this > > > question is > > > > > a > > > > > > bad idea. You say "What I say about free will is totally > > > tanget > > > > > from > > > > > > reality". You are neither an authority on free will nor are > > > you an > > > > > > authority on reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clear your basics first. For philosopical matters > > > like > > > > > Free will, it > > > > > > > is not Jyotish gurus but Philosophical Gurus like > Aurobindo, > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > Paramahansa, Vivekananda should be read. What you say > about > > > free > > > > > will is > > > > > > > totally off tangent from the real definition. Please read > > > > > Vivekananda. Call > > > > > > > me a Chela no probs. You are technically wrong about > chela > > > of > > > > > SJC part. No > > > > > > > one is a chela of SJC, all are students of their > respective > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > gurus.Thanks anyway, I still consider myself a chela of > this > > > > > divine science. > > > > > > > I am quite proud of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/05, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adridha karma one may not have much free will< > > > > > > > > I meant dridha karma one may not have much free will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I apologize for saying Mr. Partha sarthy. Just > > > because he > > > > > chose > > > > > > > > to deride me on the list is no excuse for me to do the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/05, Panditji <navagraha@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souravji has made some good points and jyotish is a > > > > > science/art of > > > > > > > > > tendencies. One can not ignore the effect of free > will. > > > > > Whether there > > > > > > > > > is free will or not is also debatable. My jyotish > guru > > > says > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > one gets a good jyotish reading ( from an expereinced > > > > > jyotishi versed > > > > > > > > > in shastras and with plenty of life experience to go > > > with > > > > > it) then the > > > > > > > > > native gets a free will. That means ones we know > what is > > > in > > > > > store for > > > > > > > > > us as prarabdha then one has a free will to decide > how > > > to > > > > > accept it. > > > > > > > > > It is very important that the jyotishi is adept > enough > > > to > > > > > read what > > > > > > > > > karmas are dridha and dridha-adridha or adridha then > the > > > > > jatak can be > > > > > > > > > counselled as to what area of life free will can > reign. > > > In > > > > > the areas > > > > > > > > > of adridha karma one may not have much free will. > Some > > > > > allude that if > > > > > > > > > one is really sincere in prayer and lives the life in > > > total > > > > > surrender > > > > > > > > > to the higher power some of the bad effects of > prarabdha > > > are > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > experienced in dreams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the jyotishis I know only use prashna, or KP > > > > > prashana. They > > > > > > > > > say that with prashan the event is current and has > very > > > > > short duration > > > > > > > > > of applicability so the free will does not come into > > > play > > > > > that much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Besides Narasimha and to some extent Visti and > > > sanjay > > > > > prabhakaran > > > > > > > > > it is a waste of time to debate issues with other sjc > > > > > chelas. Partha > > > > > > > > > sarathy is a total waste of time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Praveen-ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I totally agree and commend > > > this > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > and hope this thread grows long, pooling in > different > > > > > thoughts. Just > > > > > > > > > > the other day, I explained a person's chart for his > > > car > > > > > accidents > > > > > > > > > > (using both rasi and then D-16) and found the the > > > > > indications of > > > > > > > > > > having an accident is very strong. Then I asked > what > > > > > gemstones the > > > > > > > > > > person is wearing and found that he has been > wearing a > > > > > stone for the > > > > > > > > > > 12th house's lord ! I was surprised and it made me > > > think > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > is going wrong as no reasonable astrologer will > > > recommend > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > gemstone. Then I found that the person gave me > wrong > > > > > latitude and > > > > > > > > > > longitude information and again recalculating the > > > chart I > > > > > found that > > > > > > > > > > the new chart is totally different and yet again I > can > > > > > fully explain > > > > > > > > > > how this new chart can show the accidents ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moral is , and this is a very important moral, > > > that > > > > > precision of > > > > > > > > > > time place and due consideration for the > *definition* > > > of > > > > > event is > > > > > > > > > > necessary. The reason is simple. Astrology is a > > > > > probabilistic > > > > > > > > > > science and it gives predictions based on that > only. > > > There > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > various layers of information and rasi chart is the > > > first > > > > > layer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is plenty of debate still out there > > > about > > > > > > > > > > definition of an event. Take the example of birth > > > time. > > > > > Some people > > > > > > > > > > consider severing the umbilical cord as birth time, > > > some > > > > > take it as > > > > > > > > > > the first cry (i.e. the first intake of breath or > > > prana) > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > forth. There are atleast 10 definitions of birth. > Some > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > event do not bother about precision of birth time > and > > > > > start with a > > > > > > > > > > given time and like to precisely rectify (read > adjust) > > > the > > > > > time so > > > > > > > > > > that all the past events are correctly aligning > with > > > that > > > > > time, and > > > > > > > > > > then take that time for future predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that this above way is pretty good, but it > can > > > > > never be > > > > > > > > > > precise. The reason is that there are two forces > that > > > are > > > > > playing in > > > > > > > > > > each of our lives -- fate (accumulated effect of > past > > > > > karma) and > > > > > > > > > > free will. From a birth chart we know the > impression > > > of > > > > > accumuated > > > > > > > > > > karma but can we trap the signature of free will > > > inside > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > chart also. If we do, then its no longer a free > will, > > > is > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > > > > astrology and life itself, becomes totally > > > deterministic. > > > > > Hence, if > > > > > > > > > > we try to > > > > > > > > > > take a rectified birth chart and predict an event > too > > > far > > > > > away into > > > > > > > > > > the future then we are neglecting the effect of > free > > > will > > > > > in between > > > > > > > > > > these two times. Many astrologers say that for > highly > > > > > evolved souls > > > > > > > > > > ( mahapurushas ) our 'normal' astrological > principles > > > do > > > > > not work. > > > > > > > > > > Why ?? May be its because of the high degree of > free > > > will > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > possess. Thus we should not think of astrology as a > > > > > deterministic > > > > > > > > > > predictive science, but as a tool that can be > refined > > > and > > > > > adjusted > > > > > > > > > > as we go along with our lives (meaning reassessing > as > > > > > chart time > > > > > > > > > > every year or every couple of years) to see which > > > > > direction our > > > > > > > > > > lives are taking with the combined effect of fate > and > > > free > > > > > will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mundane astrology and Muhurta astrology (i.e. > > > assessing > > > > > the future > > > > > > > > > > effects of a particular event that occurred at a > given > > > > > place or a > > > > > > > > > > time) needs more thought than Natal astrology. Here > > > the > > > > > free will > > > > > > > > > > component is much more and more varied and cannot > > > assessed > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > That is why we see that different gurus of SJC > > > analysed > > > > > the US > > > > > > > > > > elections and gave completely different ( but both > > > > > logically > > > > > > > > > > precise) predictions. If one of the predictions > become > > > > > successful, I > > > > > > > > > > will still hesitate to believe that that particular > > > > > astrologer is > > > > > > > > > > better than another astrologer whose prediction > came > > > out > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This posting is getting too long and may be trying > for > > > > > someone's > > > > > > > > > > patience. So let me end by reiterating the need to > get > > > > > precise data > > > > > > > > > > to start with but also the need to reevaluate a > chart > > > time > > > > > to time > > > > > > > > > > for making it better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps, and I am surely expecting some > good > > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Praveen > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > > > Vargas > > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the > Moon > > > > > changes its > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive > > > > > principle is > > > > > > > > > > advance predictions, which they always elude. > Veteran > > > > > astrologers of > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash > ji > > > too > > > > > advised > > > > > > > > > > them, but of no avail. A whole generation is being > > > > > misguided. Most > > > > > > > > > > unfortunate ! But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is > > > the > > > > > will of the > > > > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope > > > Benedict > > > > > XVI/Shri > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With different Birth times we have seen how a > Pope > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > > > > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was > not > > > > > given due > > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > > > basis > > > > > of varga - > > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > > > analysis - > > > > > Pls make > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > planet/lagna > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar > > > analysis > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and > > > > > correcting - > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased > to > > > > > know if you > > > > > > > > > > hold a > > > > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering > > > the > > > > > vargas > > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? > Doesn't > > > it > > > > > mean that > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to > read > > > the > > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > > > chakra? > > > > > Division by > > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So > which > > > is > > > > > this main? > > > > > > > > > > If we > > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - > then > > > > > where is the > > > > > > > > > > main? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the > > > sage > > > > > defined > > > > > > > > > > divisions > > > > > > > > > > > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a > > > > > single varga > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During > > > your > > > > > analysis of > > > > > > > > > > Late > > > > > > > > > > > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning > > > > > Saraswati yoga > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how > > > > > Saraswati yoga > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for > > > shareera > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > physique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now people have started recognizing the validity > > > of > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that > > > one > > > > > can find > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works > > > well > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > me ''.Now > > > > > > > > > > > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As > > > > > hundreds of > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and > 9 > > > > > planets - One > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and > > > feel > > > > > happy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope > > > > > Ratzinger and > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > ''happy''.A french site is having another time > and > > > > > they too are > > > > > > > > > > > ''happy''.With a totally different time in the > > > morning > > > > > 6.33 - you > > > > > > > > > > > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with > > > 14.23.Taking > > > > > shri > > > > > > > > > > Nrasimhas > > > > > > > > > > > example i am requesting members to consider how > > > > > convinced we can > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the > > > > > > > > > > time!!!!!!!!.With > > > > > > > > > > > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your analysis using the amsha dieties within > > > dashamsha > > > > > is a very > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike > > > houses > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > vargas.I > > > > > > > > > > > hope your research in this area will prove > helpful > > > for > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > me in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting your clarification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "Narasimha > > > > > P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no-one has commented on the > > > > > appointment > > > > > > > > > > today of > > > > > > > > > > > the new pope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > occasion > > > > > > > > > > > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time at which he seems to have accepted his > > > > > election is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 April 19 > > > > > > > > > > > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east) > > > > > > > > > > > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2) > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is > > > auspicious > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > spreading > > > > > > > > > > > the genuine knowledge of some parampara > > > > > (tradition/lineage). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five > > > > > elements. Vaara > > > > > > > > > > > (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). > Thus, > > > > > vaara bala > > > > > > > > > > (weekday > > > > > > > > > > > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday > lord > > > is > > > > > Mars. He > > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this > > > papacy > > > > > will last > > > > > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, there is chara karaka > > > > > parivartana!!! Mars at > > > > > > > > > > > 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is > the > > > AmK > > > > > (chara > > > > > > > > > > amatya > > > > > > > > > > > karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, > > > he > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > replaced > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of > > > chara > > > > > karakas, > > > > > > > > > > > especially involving AK, is considered very > > > > > inauspicious. It > > > > > > > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > > change of guard in a short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite > > > short- > > > > > lived. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. > > > > > According to the > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 > > > April 16 > > > > > in Marktl, > > > > > > > > > > > Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, > > > a > > > > > Floridan > > > > > > > > > > > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he > > > was > > > > > born in the > > > > > > > > > > > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was > > > baptised > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > > Easter > > > > > > > > > > > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the > > > rising > > > > > signs and > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna > > > should > > > > > be Ge in > > > > > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in > shashtyamsa. > > > The > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > taking is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1927 April 16 > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00) > > > > > > > > > > > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes > > > him a > > > > > strong, > > > > > > > > > > > authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun > is > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Brahmalokamsa > > > > > > > > > > > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 > > > out of > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > vargas). > > > > > > > > > > > Whether one agress with his views and teachings > or > > > > > not, he is > > > > > > > > > > > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and > character > > > > > (assuming the > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a > > > quadrant > > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > person of > > > > > > > > > > > the stature of maharshis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. > > > Pope > > > > > John Paul > > > > > > > > > > II > > > > > > > > > > > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in > > > navamsa. > > > > > Pope > > > > > > > > > > Benedict XVI > > > > > > > > > > > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This > > > shows > > > > > that his > > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional > religious > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > > > > > coming in a lineage (Ketu). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter > > > is > > > > > in a dasamsa > > > > > > > > > > > ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the > > > 10th > > > > > house has > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by > > > > > Isaana. Isaana > > > > > > > > > > is an > > > > > > > > > > > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's > > > dasamsa > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's > > > dasamsa > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of > > > Pope > > > > > John Paul II > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > several Shankaracharyas too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th > > > house > > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious > > > > > preacher > > > > > > > > > > (Isaana). > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama > > > show a > > > > > > > > > > disciplinarian. > > > > > > > > > > > Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in > > > Hinduism. > > > > > Planets in > > > > > > > > > > > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate > > > and > > > > > unemotional > > > > > > > > > > > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and > an > > > > > impassionate > > > > > > > > > > keeper > > > > > > > > > > > of dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house > is > > > Aq > > > > > and should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is > > > Sc. > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > empty and > > > > > > > > > > > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa > > > applies. > > > > > During > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called > > > into > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > auxiliary > > > > > > > > > > > anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart > > > of > > > > > profession), > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd > > > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > Especially, > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's > > > > > dasamsa. Such a > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars > > > antardasa > > > > > made him a > > > > > > > > > > > military man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and > > > > > theology. This > > > > > > > > > > > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946- > > > 1952). > > > > > In D-24 > > > > > > > > > > (chart > > > > > > > > > > > of education), the 4th house shows basic > > > education, > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > > > (6th > > > > > > > > > > > from 4th) shows specialized education such as > > > > > bachelor's degree > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study > > > such > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > masters. > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's > > > degree > > > > > in some > > > > > > > > > > Aquarian > > > > > > > > > > > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it > > > happened > > > > > in Rahu > > > > > > > > > > dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the > > > 12th > > > > > lord in D- > > > > > > > > > > 24 and > > > > > > > > > > > shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D- > > > 10 > > > > > and occupies > > > > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was > > > teaching > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > theology for most of Jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known > > > thru > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd > > > lord > > > > > in D-10 and > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop > > > of > > > > > Munich and > > > > > > > > > > > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed > Cardinal > > > by > > > > > Pope Paul > > > > > > > > > > VI. > > > > > > > > > > > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in > > > GL > > > > > (ghatika > > > > > > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > > > > > > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house > > > shows > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > intangible > > > > > > > > > > > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible > > > > > > > > > > expression/manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars > > > is > > > > > in A5 and > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements > > > and > > > > > recognitions > > > > > > > > > > > during this antardasa!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in > Venus > > > > > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made > > > him a > > > > > pope! He > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a > Dean > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > college of > > > > > > > > > > > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reasonably comfortable with the > speculative > > > > > birthdata I > > > > > > > > > > > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa > > > seems > > > > > to work > > > > > > > > > > > brilliantly in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- - > ---- > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > > > > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- - > ---- > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Partha-ji, Namaskar. Sorry that you have been pained. Actually I seconded no one, not even you or Pandit-ji. My natural inclination is to favor the "apparent" under-dog in any situation. The third person reference comes because that person "_charts" posted a message with the grand opening sentence stating that I am convinced about concepts of upanishads and he knows better. I do scan e-mails but I really don't put too much thought about anyone's philosophical arguments in this group. I come here to intellectually understand and absorb the naunces of astrology. And I truely know where I am to find the fount of vedantic philosophy. Its not here. Once again apologies if I have pained you. It certainly stemmed from misunderstanding and not from any intention to win points over you. Warm wishes, Sourav ===================================================================== vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav > > What Panditji has mentioned on fate and free will is not even on fate > and free will. He has equated something else to fate and free will. > He has told that he learnt this from his Jyotish guru. > All i say is that Jyotish gurus may have the philosophical knowledge > or may not have philosophical knowledge. It is better to be safe on > such issues and learn the issues of karma/fate etc from a authorities > on philosophical subjects. Now just to prove that he is right, he > denies good suggestions to read philosophy as me bieng a non entity. > Fine. Even though Sanjayji has taught all of so many things, he has > never stopped us from reading the finer things of Philosophy and > creation from sutras and upanishads. he never said ""boss why are you > reading those books?? > > And you have gone ahead and seconded Panditji's viewpoint without > even understanding what i meant to say. This has pained me. ANd when > you are writing to a third person with whom i didnot even discuss a > word, you have quoted me wrongly. > > best wishes > partha > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > <souravc108> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Partha-ji, > > Namaskar. If "clearing basics" is not about jyotisha > > then I have to apologize. But if it is otherwise then don't. What > > is "basics" of fate and free-will ? Also, you mentioned to go to > > philosophical gurus instead of jyotish gurus. This led me to think > > you are only talking about "basics of jyotish". Its not putting > word > > into anyone's mouth; its what it appears. Just the other day you > > gave a long list of similies on 'arudhas'. You can add this to it > > next time. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sourav > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Sourav > > > I am astonished to see your mail, where you are making false > > allegations. > > > Where did i say that one must not learn philosophy and master the > > Basics of > > > astrology first. Can you show me the Mail where i said it? > > > I had posted only one mail on this thread, where i asked Panditji > > to clear > > > the basics first. You have assumed that i have talked about > basics > > of > > > "astrology" whereas i was very clearly pointing out to the > > definition of > > > fate and free will. > > > You have taken it in totally wrong way and gone ahead with your > > posts to > > > different members. Atleast the minimum thing you should have done > > is to > > > clarify with me before i wrote it in case you did not understand > > what i > > > wrote. You can see he was talking of free will and fate for which > > i replied. > > > Where is the "*clearing of jyotish basics " come from?????* > > > best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > > > > On 4/23/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear natalcharts_biz, > > > > Namaskar. Thaks for your love and concern for > > > > me. This **exactly** what happens when people do not read a > > posting > > > > carefully and jump up to give their version of the truth > > > > irrespective of the topic of discussion. > > > > > > > > I CLEARLY stated that I am not going to learn from any jyotisha > > guru > > > > about spirituality and divine wisdom I am only learning > > principles > > > > of jyotisha from the respected gurus like Guru Sanjay-ji, > > Narasimha- > > > > ji and others. I quoted Sanjay-ji, NOT because I support his > > view, > > > > but because I wanted to PROVE THE POINT that he stressed > learning > > > > why's as well as how's in jyotish. Earlier Partha-ji made a > > remark > > > > that we should learn and master basics of jyotisha before asking > > > > questions about fate and free-will. Pandit-ji and I are in > > disfavor > > > > of this line of education and I quoted Sanjay-ji to show that he > > > > emphasises learning of philosophical concepts as well as > > principles > > > > of jyotisha. Hope I am able to deliver my message to you this > > time ! > > > > Please write your posts after understanding what the context of > > the > > > > topic is. It saves a lot of unnecessary crossfire. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "natalcharts_biz" > > > > <natalcharts_biz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav > > > > > > > > > > You seem convinced on a lot of things. However with only love > > and > > > > > concern for you I am writing what is below: > > > > > > > > > > I have already quoted my views on fate and free will. You can > > > > refer to > > > > > them. I have a point to make in your analysis of > > Brihadaranyanka > > > > > Upanishad. The concept that Sri Sanjay has given or what you > > have > > > > > understood is not in accordance to Sri Adi Sankara's bhashya. > > The > > > > > concept the the Upanishad explains, through the quoted verse, > > is > > > > that > > > > > of "Yagna" and how through upasana upon this concept one can > > burn > > > > > one's ignorance. It is to explain how in the fire of > knowledge > > you > > > > > give the ahuti of your ignorance and in result know your true > > self. > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to the Upanishad or Living masters on the > subject. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, please refer to my previous post for understanding > > > > Prarabdha > > > > > and prarabdha karma vasanas. > > > > > > > > > > Sanchita vasanas are not burnt after death in "heaven and > > hell". > > > > > Sanchita vasanas are the sum total of all vasanas including > > those > > > > > incurred in the current birth. By accepting the fruits of our > > > > actions > > > > > or prarabdha repeatedly with "Prasada Buddhi" we overcome the > > > > further > > > > > generation of Prarabdha karma vasanas. Sanchita vasanas then > > are > > > > > brought forth for expression. > > > > > > > > > > The upanishad also says "In a instant all is burnt". A famous > > saint > > > > > has quoted on this "It may take life time to open one's eyes, > > > > however > > > > > sight happens in a flash" > > > > > > > > > > I also read in a place that you so aggressively questioned the > > > > right > > > > > to question the principles laid by your teachers. The Vedas > > demand > > > > a > > > > > questioning student. It was Nachiketa's questions that got > him > > the > > > > > knowledge from Yama (Kathopanishad). It was Arjuna's > questions > > that > > > > > got Krishna's response (Bhagavad Gita). It was Rama's > questions > > > > that > > > > > got the Brahma Gnana from none other than Brahma Rsi > Vashishtha > > > > (Yoga > > > > > Vashishtha). > > > > > > > > > > Only a master who works on beliefs and not on Truth wants "no > > > > > questions" as we all have seen in our school days and with > > phoney > > > > > "gurus". (faith is pending understanding, by belief I mean a > > non > > > > > verifiable one) > > > > > > > > > > In this view, please study a little more, it will only help > > you. I > > > > do > > > > > not write this out of ego. I refrain from writing unless > > someone > > > > asks > > > > > but somehow I felt from within that I should inform you the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > Please do not mind if my words have hurt you in any way > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit-ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. The question of fate and free-will is > > > > very > > > > > > fundamental to astrology and I believe every student should > > > > first > > > > > > ask this question and then, after being convinced, should > > start > > > > > > astrology. Unless the philosphy of life is understood (or > > > > atleast > > > > > > attempted to be understood) learning astrology as the 'eye > of > > > > the > > > > > > vedas' is of no use and reduces it to mundane knowledge. > What > > > > Partha- > > > > > > ji hurridly remarked is preposterous. He thinks its best to > > > > learn > > > > > > how and they learn why, where as the natural progression of > > > > logic > > > > > > dictates just the reverse. I think, and I concur with you, > we > > > > should > > > > > > approach Jyotisha both from how and why perspectives. As > per > > my > > > > > > knowledge, Guru Sanjay Rath has repeatedly stressed the > > > > > > understanding of why. See what he writes in this opening > > article > > > > for > > > > > > beginners: "Divisions of Jyotish " > > > > > > http://www.srath.com/lectures/divisions.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote him here: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath: "The Brhadaranyaka Upanishad explains the Karma > > > > theory > > > > > > with reference to the theory of Transmigration of the soul > > > > > > (samsara). The pious and good souls who have lived a dharmic > > > > life > > > > > > depart for the abode of the forefathers and other such loka. > > > > After a > > > > > > period of temporary bliss, they move on to emptiness via the > > > > Moon. > > > > > > From emptiness, they descend to the earth with the rain and > > > > enter > > > > > > the food that is consumed by the prospective father. From > the > > > > food > > > > > > they become spermatozoa and are offered to the prospective > > > > mother in > > > > > > the altar of fire (copulation). Then the birth occurs. The > > > > Upanishad > > > > > > adds that the unrighteous are incarnated as birds, insects, > > > > animals > > > > > > or plants on the basis of the Karma of the past lives. It is > > > > > > generally taught that conduct and adherence to the moral > code > > > > > > determined these changes. Thus good karma would promise an > > > > exalted > > > > > > future while bad karma will tend to degrade the soul in the > > > > lines > > > > > > of ` as you sow so will you reap'. This doctrine of Karma > > > > > > (literally "action") provides a very satisfactory > explanation > > > > for > > > > > > the various social inequalities that exist as well as the > > > > troubles > > > > > > or grief that one faces as it is the result of one's own > > acts or > > > > > > misdeeds in the past. These Karma are divided into two > > > > categories > > > > > > called Sanchita and Prarabdha. The results of Sanchita Karma > > > > will be > > > > > > exhausted in the various heavens and hells after death > > whereas > > > > only > > > > > > experiencing them can lessen the results of Prarabdha Karma. > > > > Thus, > > > > > > it is this Prarabdha Karma, which is the cause of rebirth." > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think Pt. Rath has written this article for very > > advanced > > > > > > jyotishis only. > > > > > > > > > > > > I reply to Partha-ji's e-mail I only had to offer him a > > *smile*. > > > > Its > > > > > > best not to attempt to learn the higher philosophical > > concepts > > > > from > > > > > > a learned jyotishi but attempt should be made to learn from > > the > > > > > > direct sources themselves like Sri Sri Ramakrishna > > Paramahamsa > > > > and > > > > > > our modern maharshi Swami Vivekananda. Hence, I didnt want > to > > > > > > quarrel about what is basics and what is not basics and > left > > the > > > > > > matter to rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > To each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > =============================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Panditji > > > > <navagraha@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My basics are fine. I do not think anyone is an absolute > > > > authority > > > > > > on > > > > > > > fate or free will. There are various opinions. If you are > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > that fate and/or free will is not the domain of jyotish, I > > > > have to > > > > > > > disagree. Infact many jataks ask whether everything is > > > > destined ? > > > > > > If > > > > > > > so whats the use of jyotish ? If not, then also whats the > > use > > > > of > > > > > > > jyotish ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact to talk about jyotish without pondering on this > > > > question is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bad idea. You say "What I say about free will is totally > > > > tanget > > > > > > from > > > > > > > reality". You are neither an authority on free will nor > are > > > > you an > > > > > > > authority on reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clear your basics first. For philosopical matters > > > > like > > > > > > Free will, it > > > > > > > > is not Jyotish gurus but Philosophical Gurus like > > Aurobindo, > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > Paramahansa, Vivekananda should be read. What you say > > about > > > > free > > > > > > will is > > > > > > > > totally off tangent from the real definition. Please > read > > > > > > Vivekananda. Call > > > > > > > > me a Chela no probs. You are technically wrong about > > chela > > > > of > > > > > > SJC part. No > > > > > > > > one is a chela of SJC, all are students of their > > respective > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > gurus.Thanks anyway, I still consider myself a chela of > > this > > > > > > divine science. > > > > > > > > I am quite proud of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/05, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adridha karma one may not have much free will< > > > > > > > > > I meant dridha karma one may not have much free will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I apologize for saying Mr. Partha sarthy. Just > > > > because he > > > > > > chose > > > > > > > > > to deride me on the list is no excuse for me to do the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/05, Panditji <navagraha@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souravji has made some good points and jyotish is a > > > > > > science/art of > > > > > > > > > > tendencies. One can not ignore the effect of free > > will. > > > > > > Whether there > > > > > > > > > > is free will or not is also debatable. My jyotish > > guru > > > > says > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > one gets a good jyotish reading ( from an > expereinced > > > > > > jyotishi versed > > > > > > > > > > in shastras and with plenty of life experience to go > > > > with > > > > > > it) then the > > > > > > > > > > native gets a free will. That means ones we know > > what is > > > > in > > > > > > store for > > > > > > > > > > us as prarabdha then one has a free will to decide > > how > > > > to > > > > > > accept it. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important that the jyotishi is adept > > enough > > > > to > > > > > > read what > > > > > > > > > > karmas are dridha and dridha-adridha or adridha > then > > the > > > > > > jatak can be > > > > > > > > > > counselled as to what area of life free will can > > reign. > > > > In > > > > > > the areas > > > > > > > > > > of adridha karma one may not have much free will. > > Some > > > > > > allude that if > > > > > > > > > > one is really sincere in prayer and lives the life > in > > > > total > > > > > > surrender > > > > > > > > > > to the higher power some of the bad effects of > > prarabdha > > > > are > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > experienced in dreams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the jyotishis I know only use prashna, or KP > > > > > > prashana. They > > > > > > > > > > say that with prashan the event is current and has > > very > > > > > > short duration > > > > > > > > > > of applicability so the free will does not come into > > > > play > > > > > > that much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Besides Narasimha and to some extent Visti and > > > > sanjay > > > > > > prabhakaran > > > > > > > > > > it is a waste of time to debate issues with other > sjc > > > > > > chelas. Partha > > > > > > > > > > sarathy is a total waste of time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Praveen-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I totally agree and commend > > > > this > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > and hope this thread grows long, pooling in > > different > > > > > > thoughts. Just > > > > > > > > > > > the other day, I explained a person's chart for > his > > > > car > > > > > > accidents > > > > > > > > > > > (using both rasi and then D-16) and found the the > > > > > > indications of > > > > > > > > > > > having an accident is very strong. Then I asked > > what > > > > > > gemstones the > > > > > > > > > > > person is wearing and found that he has been > > wearing a > > > > > > stone for the > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house's lord ! I was surprised and it made me > > > > think > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > is going wrong as no reasonable astrologer will > > > > recommend > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > gemstone. Then I found that the person gave me > > wrong > > > > > > latitude and > > > > > > > > > > > longitude information and again recalculating the > > > > chart I > > > > > > found that > > > > > > > > > > > the new chart is totally different and yet again > I > > can > > > > > > fully explain > > > > > > > > > > > how this new chart can show the accidents ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moral is , and this is a very important moral, > > > > that > > > > > > precision of > > > > > > > > > > > time place and due consideration for the > > *definition* > > > > of > > > > > > event is > > > > > > > > > > > necessary. The reason is simple. Astrology is a > > > > > > probabilistic > > > > > > > > > > > science and it gives predictions based on that > > only. > > > > There > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > various layers of information and rasi chart is > the > > > > first > > > > > > layer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is plenty of debate still out there > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > definition of an event. Take the example of birth > > > > time. > > > > > > Some people > > > > > > > > > > > consider severing the umbilical cord as birth > time, > > > > some > > > > > > take it as > > > > > > > > > > > the first cry (i.e. the first intake of breath or > > > > prana) > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > forth. There are atleast 10 definitions of birth. > > Some > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > event do not bother about precision of birth time > > and > > > > > > start with a > > > > > > > > > > > given time and like to precisely rectify (read > > adjust) > > > > the > > > > > > time so > > > > > > > > > > > that all the past events are correctly aligning > > with > > > > that > > > > > > time, and > > > > > > > > > > > then take that time for future predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that this above way is pretty good, but it > > can > > > > > > never be > > > > > > > > > > > precise. The reason is that there are two forces > > that > > > > are > > > > > > playing in > > > > > > > > > > > each of our lives -- fate (accumulated effect of > > past > > > > > > karma) and > > > > > > > > > > > free will. From a birth chart we know the > > impression > > > > of > > > > > > accumuated > > > > > > > > > > > karma but can we trap the signature of free will > > > > inside > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > > chart also. If we do, then its no longer a free > > will, > > > > is > > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and life itself, becomes totally > > > > deterministic. > > > > > > Hence, if > > > > > > > > > > > we try to > > > > > > > > > > > take a rectified birth chart and predict an event > > too > > > > far > > > > > > away into > > > > > > > > > > > the future then we are neglecting the effect of > > free > > > > will > > > > > > in between > > > > > > > > > > > these two times. Many astrologers say that for > > highly > > > > > > evolved souls > > > > > > > > > > > ( mahapurushas ) our 'normal' astrological > > principles > > > > do > > > > > > not work. > > > > > > > > > > > Why ?? May be its because of the high degree of > > free > > > > will > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > possess. Thus we should not think of astrology as > a > > > > > > deterministic > > > > > > > > > > > predictive science, but as a tool that can be > > refined > > > > and > > > > > > adjusted > > > > > > > > > > > as we go along with our lives (meaning > reassessing > > as > > > > > > chart time > > > > > > > > > > > every year or every couple of years) to see which > > > > > > direction our > > > > > > > > > > > lives are taking with the combined effect of fate > > and > > > > free > > > > > > will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mundane astrology and Muhurta astrology (i.e. > > > > assessing > > > > > > the future > > > > > > > > > > > effects of a particular event that occurred at a > > given > > > > > > place or a > > > > > > > > > > > time) needs more thought than Natal astrology. > Here > > > > the > > > > > > free will > > > > > > > > > > > component is much more and more varied and cannot > > > > assessed > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > That is why we see that different gurus of SJC > > > > analysed > > > > > > the US > > > > > > > > > > > elections and gave completely different ( but both > > > > > > logically > > > > > > > > > > > precise) predictions. If one of the predictions > > become > > > > > > successful, I > > > > > > > > > > > will still hesitate to believe that that > particular > > > > > > astrologer is > > > > > > > > > > > better than another astrologer whose prediction > > came > > > > out > > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This posting is getting too long and may be > trying > > for > > > > > > someone's > > > > > > > > > > > patience. So let me end by reiterating the need > to > > get > > > > > > precise data > > > > > > > > > > > to start with but also the need to reevaluate a > > chart > > > > time > > > > > > to time > > > > > > > > > > > for making it better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps, and I am surely expecting some > > good > > > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Praveen > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see > > > > Vargas > > > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the > > Moon > > > > > > changes its > > > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive > > > > > > principle is > > > > > > > > > > > advance predictions, which they always elude. > > Veteran > > > > > > astrologers of > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash > > ji > > > > too > > > > > > advised > > > > > > > > > > > them, but of no avail. A whole generation is being > > > > > > misguided. Most > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunate ! But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it > is > > > > the > > > > > > will of the > > > > > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope > > > > Benedict > > > > > > XVI/Shri > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With different Birth times we have seen how a > > Pope > > > > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > > > > > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was > > not > > > > > > given due > > > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the > > > > basis > > > > > > of varga - > > > > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are observing this > > > > analysis - > > > > > > Pls make > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce results from > varga > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > planet/lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar > > > > analysis > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > saptamsha - > > > > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and > > > > > > correcting - > > > > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased > > to > > > > > > know if you > > > > > > > > > > > hold a > > > > > > > > > > > > different position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering > > > > the > > > > > > vargas > > > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does this mean? > > Doesn't > > > > it > > > > > > mean that > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to > > read > > > > the > > > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi > > > > chakra? > > > > > > Division by > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So > > which > > > > is > > > > > > this main? > > > > > > > > > > > If we > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - > > then > > > > > > where is the > > > > > > > > > > > main? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the > > > > sage > > > > > > defined > > > > > > > > > > > divisions > > > > > > > > > > > > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a > > > > > > single varga > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During > > > > your > > > > > > analysis of > > > > > > > > > > > Late > > > > > > > > > > > > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself > mentioning > > > > > > Saraswati yoga > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how > > > > > > Saraswati yoga > > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for > > > > shareera > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > physique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now people have started recognizing the validity > > > > of > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of > that > > > > one > > > > > > can find > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works > > > > well > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > me ''.Now > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - > As > > > > > > hundreds of > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > in a human life are explained using 12 signs > and > > 9 > > > > > > planets - One > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and > > > > feel > > > > > > happy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope > > > > > > Ratzinger and > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > ''happy''.A french site is having another time > > and > > > > > > they too are > > > > > > > > > > > > ''happy''.With a totally different time in the > > > > morning > > > > > > 6.33 - you > > > > > > > > > > > > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with > > > > 14.23.Taking > > > > > > shri > > > > > > > > > > > Nrasimhas > > > > > > > > > > > > example i am requesting members to consider how > > > > > > convinced we can > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of > the > > > > > > > > > > > time!!!!!!!!.With > > > > > > > > > > > > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your analysis using the amsha dieties within > > > > dashamsha > > > > > > is a very > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike > > > > houses > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > vargas.I > > > > > > > > > > > > hope your research in this area will prove > > helpful > > > > for > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > me in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting your clarification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology, "Narasimha > > > > > > P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no-one has commented on the > > > > > > appointment > > > > > > > > > > > today of > > > > > > > > > > > > the new pope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > > occasion > > > > > > > > > > > > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time at which he seems to have accepted > his > > > > > > election is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 April 19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is > > > > auspicious > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > spreading > > > > > > > > > > > > the genuine knowledge of some parampara > > > > > > (tradition/lineage). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five > > > > > > elements. Vaara > > > > > > > > > > > > (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). > > Thus, > > > > > > vaara bala > > > > > > > > > > > (weekday > > > > > > > > > > > > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday > > lord > > > > is > > > > > > Mars. He > > > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this > > > > papacy > > > > > > will last > > > > > > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, there is chara karaka > > > > > > parivartana!!! Mars at > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is > > the > > > > AmK > > > > > > (chara > > > > > > > > > > > amatya > > > > > > > > > > > > karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, > > > > he > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > replaced > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of > > > > chara > > > > > > karakas, > > > > > > > > > > > > especially involving AK, is considered very > > > > > > inauspicious. It > > > > > > > > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > > > change of guard in a short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite > > > > short- > > > > > > lived. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. > > > > > > According to the > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 > > > > April 16 > > > > > > in Marktl, > > > > > > > > > > > > Germany. In a radio program I heard this > evening, > > > > a > > > > > > Floridan > > > > > > > > > > > > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he > > > > was > > > > > > born in the > > > > > > > > > > > > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was > > > > baptised > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > > > Easter > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the > > > > rising > > > > > > signs and > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna > > > > should > > > > > > be Ge in > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in > > shashtyamsa. > > > > The > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > taking is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1927 April 16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes > > > > him a > > > > > > strong, > > > > > > > > > > > > authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun > > is > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Brahmalokamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 > > > > out of > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > > vargas). > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether one agress with his views and teachings > > or > > > > > > not, he is > > > > > > > > > > > > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and > > character > > > > > > (assuming the > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a > > > > quadrant > > > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > > person of > > > > > > > > > > > > the stature of maharshis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, > showing. > > > > Pope > > > > > > John Paul > > > > > > > > > > > II > > > > > > > > > > > > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > Pope > > > > > > > > > > > Benedict XVI > > > > > > > > > > > > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This > > > > shows > > > > > > that his > > > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional > > religious > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter) > > > > > > > > > > > > coming in a lineage (Ketu). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord > Jupiter > > > > is > > > > > > in a dasamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the > > > > 10th > > > > > > house has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled > by > > > > > > Isaana. Isaana > > > > > > > > > > > is an > > > > > > > > > > > > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's > > > > dasamsa > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's > > > > dasamsa > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of > > > > Pope > > > > > > John Paul II > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > several Shankaracharyas too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th > > > > house > > > > > > shows a > > > > > > > > > > > > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and > religious > > > > > > preacher > > > > > > > > > > > (Isaana). > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama > > > > show a > > > > > > > > > > > disciplinarian. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in > > > > Hinduism. > > > > > > Planets in > > > > > > > > > > > > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate > > > > and > > > > > > unemotional > > > > > > > > > > > > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and > > an > > > > > > impassionate > > > > > > > > > > > keeper > > > > > > > > > > > > of dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house > > is > > > > Aq > > > > > > and should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq > is > > > > Sc. > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > empty and > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa > > > > applies. > > > > > > During > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called > > > > into > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > auxiliary > > > > > > > > > > > > anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart > > > > of > > > > > > profession), > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and > 3rd > > > > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > Especially, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's > > > > > > dasamsa. Such a > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars > > > > antardasa > > > > > > made him a > > > > > > > > > > > > military man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and > > > > > > theology. This > > > > > > > > > > > > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946- > > > > 1952). > > > > > > In D-24 > > > > > > > > > > > (chart > > > > > > > > > > > > of education), the 4th house shows basic > > > > education, > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > > > > (6th > > > > > > > > > > > > from 4th) shows specialized education such as > > > > > > bachelor's degree > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed > study > > > > such > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's > > > > degree > > > > > > in some > > > > > > > > > > > Aquarian > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it > > > > happened > > > > > > in Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the > > > > 12th > > > > > > lord in D- > > > > > > > > > > > 24 and > > > > > > > > > > > > shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in > D- > > > > 10 > > > > > > and occupies > > > > > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was > > > > teaching > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > theology for most of Jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well- known > > > > thru > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd > > > > lord > > > > > > in D-10 and > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the > Archbishop > > > > of > > > > > > Munich and > > > > > > > > > > > > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed > > Cardinal > > > > by > > > > > > Pope Paul > > > > > > > > > > > VI. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is > in > > > > GL > > > > > > (ghatika > > > > > > > > > > > lagna) > > > > > > > > > > > > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house > > > > shows > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > intangible > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible > > > > > > > > > > > expression/manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. > Mars > > > > is > > > > > > in A5 and > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements > > > > and > > > > > > recognitions > > > > > > > > > > > > during this antardasa!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in > > Venus > > > > > > mahadasa! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made > > > > him a > > > > > > pope! He > > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > > > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a > > Dean > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > college of > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus > mahadasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reasonably comfortable with the > > speculative > > > > > > birthdata I > > > > > > > > > > > > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa > > > > seems > > > > > > to work > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliantly in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- --- > - > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > > > > > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- --- > - > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic- astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > > Krishnaarpanamastu > > > > > > || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you give Hope to a > > > > Child > > > > > > in need? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · Click Here to > > > > > > > > meet a > > > > > > > > > > > Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · Click Here to > > > > > > > > meet a > > > > > > > > > > > Boy > > > > > > > > > > > > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn More > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- --- > - > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b.. To from this group, send an > > > > email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > Terms > > > > > > > > > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > > > || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > > > > > > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ·Click Here to meet a Girl > > > > > > > > > > > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > > > > > > ·Click Here to meet a Boy > > > > > > > > > > > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn More > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Terms > > > > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > V.Partha Sarathy, > > > > > > > > partvinu.blogspot.com <http://partvinu.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All that we are is the result of what we have thought. > > If a > > > > man > > > > > > speaks or > > > > > > > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man > > speaks > > > > or > > > > > > acts with a > > > > > > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that > > > > never > > > > > > leaves him. > > > > > > > > -----Buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plot.no.71 > > > > > > > > Road No.3 > > > > > > > > Nagarjuna Hills > > > > > > > > Hyderabad > > > > > > > > India-500 082 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > V.Partha Sarathy, > > > partvinu.blogspot.com <http://partvinu.blogspot.com> > > > > > > All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man > > speaks or > > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or > > acts with a > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never > > leaves him. > > > -----Buddha > > > > > > > > > Plot.no.71 > > > Road No.3 > > > Nagarjuna Hills > > > Hyderabad > > > India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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