Can this cause Parivartana Yoga? Sourav bhai, Kanupriya, Richa

April 23, 2005

Dear Saurav Bhai, Kanupriya & Richa

Extending & hopefully concluding my arguments over the issue which

was left open --> [More than 2 planets exchanges can be called

Parivartana or not? and it's predictive usefullness?]

I would give you a following yoga for an example in support

of 'Predictive importance' of Parivartana Yoga for more than 2 Lords,

'Bahu Dravyarjana Yoga' - Yoga for Ammessment of Great Wealth.

The Defination:- Lord of 1st in 2nd, Lord of second in 11th & 11th

lord if placed in Lagna causes The above yoga.

Results - The native becomes very rich & gathers good fortune.

Mark the above 'Tri- Parivartana yoga (Which I prefer to call it)

connecting 1st, 2nd & 11th by the exchanges and creating fabulous

Dhana Yoga.

The above yoga is exclusively provided by Dr. Raman in his '300 Imp.

comb.' book

I have already given you the D9 of Sachin Tendulkar, where as much as

6 houses lords are involved in grand exchange.

we can try it further for our advantage.

best regards,

Utpal Pathak

April 23, 2005

Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

Dear Uttpal,

The above gives the results because Paka Lagna is involved.Its

the driving force for the native and Jupiter is the Karaka.Jupiter is also the

Karaka for the 2nd and 11th house.Parivartana as explained earlier happens when

there is an exchange between two lords with regard to thier own respective

houses not any other house.When we talk about the involvement of another house

[a third house without any direct involvement] we are looking at dispositers

and this is bound to give results too.The same can be extended to

Nakshatras.Look at the dispositor and its Nakshatra placement.There are many

other methods.Again the Concept is that we are looking at the Paka lagna of

that house.

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.

>"utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak >

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Can this cause Parivartana Yoga? Sourav bhai, Kanupriya, Richa

>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:26:23 -0000

>

>Dear Saurav Bhai, Kanupriya & Richa

>

>Extending & hopefully concluding my arguments over the issue which

>was left open --> [More than 2 planets exchanges can be called

>Parivartana or not? and it's predictive usefullness?]

>

>I would give you a following yoga for an example in support

>of 'Predictive importance' of Parivartana Yoga for more than 2 Lords,

>

>'Bahu Dravyarjana Yoga' - Yoga for Ammessment of Great Wealth.

>

>The Defination:- Lord of 1st in 2nd, Lord of second in 11th & 11th

>lord if placed in Lagna causes The above yoga.

>

>Results - The native becomes very rich & gathers good fortune.

>

>Mark the above 'Tri- Parivartana yoga (Which I prefer to call it)

>connecting 1st, 2nd & 11th by the exchanges and creating fabulous

>Dhana Yoga.

>

>The above yoga is exclusively provided by Dr. Raman in his '300 Imp.

>comb.' book

>

>I have already given you the D9 of Sachin Tendulkar, where as much as

>6 houses lords are involved in grand exchange.

>

>we can try it further for our advantage.

>

>best regards,

>

>Utpal Pathak

>

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April 23, 2005

Parivartana by the word itself means exchange, where is the exchange in your example.

One guy comes to my office, i go to a third person's house, and the third person

goes to my friend's house. that is not parivartana.

Parivartana as has been understood by all the masters is only for two planets.

I scratch, you scratch, no third person please :-))

best wishes

partha

On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Saurav Bhai, Kanupriya & RichaExtending & hopefully concluding my

arguments over the issue which

was left open --> [More than 2 planets exchanges can be calledParivartana or

not? and it's predictive usefullness?]I would give you a following yoga for an

example in supportof 'Predictive importance' of Parivartana Yoga for more than

2 Lords,

'Bahu Dravyarjana Yoga' - Yoga for Ammessment of Great Wealth.The Defination:-

Lord of 1st in 2nd, Lord of second in 11th & 11thlord if placed in Lagna causes

The above yoga.Results - The native becomes very rich & gathers good fortune.

Mark the above 'Tri- Parivartana yoga (Which I prefer to call it)connecting 1st,

2nd & 11th by the exchanges and creating fabulousDhana Yoga.The above yoga is

exclusively provided by Dr. Raman in his '300 Imp.

comb.' bookI have already given you the D9 of Sachin Tendulkar, where as much

as6 houses lords are involved in grand exchange.we can try it further for our

advantage.best regards,Utpal Pathak

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Dear Kanupriya,

I just gave one example. I think we may not be able to convince each

other. what you prefer to see it as Despositors & paak lagna, I

prefer to see as different versions of Parivartana only because to my

understanding 'Despositor concept' alone is the basis

of 'Parivartana' and the very name 'Parivartana or Exchange' does not

suggest that It should involve only Two houses lords.

but any way we are looking at the same thing with different names

only. what you call bhagavan, i may call allah and some body may

choose to call the same as God. what is there in Names?, it is the

substance alone which matters....just a philosophical touch to

complete :-)

Thanks for your viwes & regards,

Utpal Pathak

vedic astrology, "Kanu Priya" <barish44@h...>

wrote:

>

April 23, 2005

Yes intellectual curiosity can do so many things. Parivartana can also mean

change, transformation. Thus planet changing from one rasi to another, one

nakshatra to another can also be called as parivartana, if i apply your logic

of calling the same god by different names, what do you say :-))

best wishes

partha

On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Kanupriya,I just gave one example. I think we may not be able to convince

eachother. what you prefer to see it as Despositors & paak lagna, I

prefer to see as different versions of Parivartana only because to

myunderstanding 'Despositor concept' alone is the basisof 'Parivartana' and the

very name 'Parivartana or Exchange' does notsuggest that It should involve only

Two houses lords.

but any way we are looking at the same thing with different namesonly. what you

call bhagavan, i may call allah and some body maychoose to call the same as

God. what is there in Names?, it is thesubstance alone which matters....just a

philosophical touch to

complete :-)Thanks for your viwes & regards,Utpal Pathak--- In

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April 23, 2005

partha Garu,

-|> I have given my last logical(as i think) & philosophical answer

to kanupriya.

there is a exchanges of all 3 offices ;->

regards,

utpal

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

> Dear Utpal

> Parivartana by the word itself means exchange, where is the

exchange in

> your example.

> One guy comes to my office, i go to a third person's house, and the

third

> person goes to my friend's house. that is not parivartana.

> Parivartana as has been understood by all the masters is only for

two

> planets.

> I scratch, you scratch, no third person please :-))

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saurav Bhai, Kanupriya & Richa

> >

> > Extending & hopefully concluding my arguments over the issue which

> > was left open --> [More than 2 planets exchanges can be called

> > Parivartana or not? and it's predictive usefullness?]

> >

> > I would give you a following yoga for an example in support

> > of 'Predictive importance' of Parivartana Yoga for more than 2

Lords,

> >

> > 'Bahu Dravyarjana Yoga' - Yoga for Ammessment of Great Wealth.

> >

> > The Defination:- Lord of 1st in 2nd, Lord of second in 11th & 11th

> > lord if placed in Lagna causes The above yoga.

> >

> > Results - The native becomes very rich & gathers good fortune.

> >

> > Mark the above 'Tri- Parivartana yoga (Which I prefer to call it)

> > connecting 1st, 2nd & 11th by the exchanges and creating fabulous

> > Dhana Yoga.

> >

> > The above yoga is exclusively provided by Dr. Raman in his '300

Imp.

> > comb.' book

> >

> > I have already given you the D9 of Sachin Tendulkar, where as

much as

> > 6 houses lords are involved in grand exchange.

> >

> > we can try it further for our advantage.

> >

> > best regards,

> >

> > Utpal Pathak

> >

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> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man

speaks or

> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never

leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

April 23, 2005

partha saab,

I'll call it Rashi Parivartna, Nakshtra Parivartna etc.. -)

yours,

utpal

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

> Dear Utpal

> Yes intellectual curiosity can do so many things. Parivartana can

also mean

> change, transformation. Thus planet changing from one rasi to

another, one

> nakshatra to another can also be called as parivartana, if i apply

your

> logic of calling the same god by different names, what do you say :-

))

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kanupriya,

> >

> > I just gave one example. I think we may not be able to convince

each

> > other. what you prefer to see it as Despositors & paak lagna, I

> > prefer to see as different versions of Parivartana only because

to my

> > understanding 'Despositor concept' alone is the basis

> > of 'Parivartana' and the very name 'Parivartana or Exchange' does

not

> > suggest that It should involve only Two houses lords.

> >

> > but any way we are looking at the same thing with different names

> > only. what you call bhagavan, i may call allah and some body may

> > choose to call the same as God. what is there in Names?, it is the

> > substance alone which matters....just a philosophical touch to

> > complete :-)

> >

> > Thanks for your viwes & regards,

> >

> > Utpal Pathak

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Kanu Priya"

<barish44@h...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> >

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>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man

speaks or

> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never

leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

April 23, 2005

Parivartana actually doesnot mean exchange, it only means change. See our hindi,

Parivartan Lana hai, ek Jabardast Ghumav lana hai, etc thus we can play around

with words here.

Have you read AK article by Sanjayji.

The planets in the same longitude change karakatwas. He has once told me that

this is also another case of parivartana.

best wishes

partha

On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

partha saab,I'll call it Rashi Parivartna, Nakshtra Parivartna etc.. -)yours,utpal

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy<partvinu@g...> wrote:>

Dear Utpal> Yes intellectual curiosity can do so many things. Parivartana can

also mean> change, transformation. Thus planet changing from one rasi toanother,

one> nakshatra to another can also be called as parivartana, if i applyyour>

logic of calling the same god by different names, what do you say :-

))> best wishes> partha>>> On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:>

>> >> >> > Dear Kanupriya,> >> > I just gave one example. I think we may not be

able to convince

each> > other. what you prefer to see it as Despositors & paak lagna, I> >

prefer to see as different versions of Parivartana only becauseto my> >

understanding 'Despositor concept' alone is the basis

> > of 'Parivartana' and the very name 'Parivartana or Exchange' doesnot> >

suggest that It should involve only Two houses lords.> >> > but any way we are

looking at the same thing with different names

> > only. what you call bhagavan, i may call allah and some body may> > choose

to call the same as God. what is there in Names?, it is the> > substance alone

which matters....just a philosophical touch to

> > complete :-)> >> > Thanks for your viwes & regards,> >> > Utpal Pathak> >> >

vedic astrology

, "Kanu Priya"<barish44@h...>> > wrote:> > >> >> >> > Archives:

vedic astrology

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<http://partvinu.blogspot.com>>> All that we are is the result of what we have

thought. If a manspeaks or> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a

man speaks or

acts with a> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that neverleaves

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April 23, 2005

Om Adityaya Namah

Dear Utpal,

It is not the same.I agree that the effects will be felt and

there will be some results but you must understand why.It is due to the concept

of Paka Lagna.This is not an exchange.Do not use the wrong term.God is a private

thing.How a person decides to pray is very personal and private but using a

wrong Jyotish term is not a private thing specially on a forum where we are

present to learn...and hopefully learn the correct usage of terms, methods etc

and understand the underlying reasoning behind them too.

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.

>"utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak >

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Re: Can this cause Parivartana Yoga? Sourav bhai, Kanupriya, Richa

>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:52:49 -0000

>

>Dear Kanupriya,

>

>I just gave one example. I think we may not be able to convince each

>other. what you prefer to see it as Despositors & paak lagna, I

>prefer to see as different versions of Parivartana only because to my

>understanding 'Despositor concept' alone is the basis

>of 'Parivartana' and the very name 'Parivartana or Exchange' does not

>suggest that It should involve only Two houses lords.

>

>but any way we are looking at the same thing with different names

>only. what you call bhagavan, i may call allah and some body may

>choose to call the same as God. what is there in Names?, it is the

>substance alone which matters....just a philosophical touch to

>complete :-)

>

>Thanks for your viwes & regards,

>

>Utpal Pathak

>

>vedic astrology, "Kanu Priya" <barish44@h...>

>wrote:

> >

>

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in your reply mail, the heading 'Om Adityaya Namah' is in some what reddish

colour. it indicates that you may be really angry.

but I feel i have not used any wrong terms and never made any degrading remark

which is unnecessary about a private thing called god.

I know this is a open forum and i will not misguide anybody for sure. we are all

here to learn and not fight. I have epressed myself when you said in a mail to

richa that 'Parivartana' is only between 2 lords. It is within the right of

everybody to express his views properly when not in agreement which i was

doing.

Give me a answer -- why you have not refered to 'the Paak Lagna' when there is

a so called standard Parivartana of 2 lords. why 'Paak Lagna' only for

exchanges of more than 2 lords.

I have already written that niether of us will convince either of us :-)

regards,

utpal pathak

Kanu Priya <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Om Adityaya Namah

Dear Utpal,

It is not the same.I agree that the effects will be felt and

there will be some results but you must understand why.It is due to the concept

of Paka Lagna.This is not an exchange.Do not use the wrong term.God is a private

thing.How a person decides to pray is very personal and private but using a

wrong Jyotish term is not a private thing specially on a forum where we are

present to learn...and hopefully learn the correct usage of terms, methods etc

and understand the underlying reasoning behind them too.

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.

>"utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak > >

vedic astrology >vedic astrology >Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Can this cause Parivartana Yoga? Sourav bhai, Kanupriya,

Richa >Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:52:49 -0000 > > >Dear Kanupriya, > >I just

gave one example. I think we may not be able to convince each >other. what you

prefer to see it as Despositors & paak lagna, I >prefer to see as different

versions of Parivartana only because to my >understanding 'Despositor concept'

alone is the basis >of 'Parivartana' and the very name 'Parivartana or

Exchange' does not >suggest that It should involve only Two houses lords. >

>but any way we are looking at the same thing with different names >only. what

you call bhagavan, i may call allah and some body may >choose to call the same

as God. what is there in Names?, it is the >substance alone which

matters....just a philosophical touch to >complete :-) > >Thanks for your viwes

& regards, > >Utpal Pathak > > > > >vedic astrology,

"Kanu Priya" <barish44@h...> >wrote: > > > > >

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Om Adityaya Namah

Dear Utpal,

No I am not angry, did you find any reason for anger? The above

mantra is a prayer to Surya the giver of knowledge.It is believed that he has

the strength to remove all darkness that arises out of ignorance.Also when

there are confusions etc he should be prayed to.The red colour is that of the

rising Sun [ofcourse it is difficult to get the exact beautiful colour on the

computer] which with its rays enlightens the whole world.I am surprized that

you connected this with anger.Ofcourse you never made any degrading remark

about God, I never said you did.

The term Parivartana itself is nothing else but an exchange.If

you add things to this term it can confuse some of the new students on the

forum which should be avoided. Partha Guru has already further explained the

difference so I am sure the confusion has already been cleared.When the

Parivartana happens there is an exchange between the two Paka lords, which is

why it is giving the result of the Parivartana and NOT of the Paka lagna.This

is the most important difference to be understood between both the different

terms.There is no need to convince me as I am following what has been taught

and not what I invented.However if you want to experiment\ research something

and come out with new theories you must say so to avoid misguiding the new

students.

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.

>Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak >

>vedic astrology

>RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Can this cause Parivartana Yoga? Sourav

bhai, Kanupriya, Richa

>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:36:20 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Dear Kanupriya,

>

>in your reply mail, the heading 'Om Adityaya Namah' is in some what reddish

colour. it indicates that you may be really angry.

>

>but I feel i have not used any wrong terms and never made any degrading remark

which is unnecessary about a private thing called god.

>

>I know this is a open forum and i will not misguide anybody for sure. we are

all here to learn and not fight. I have epressed myself when you said in a mail

to richa that 'Parivartana' is only between 2 lords. It is within the right of

everybody to express his views properly when not in agreement which i was

doing.

>

>Give me a answer -- why you have not refered to 'the Paak Lagna' when there is

a so called standard Parivartana of 2 lords. why 'Paak Lagna' only for exchanges

of more than 2 lords.

>

>I have already written that niether of us will convince either of us :-)

>

>regards,

>

>utpal pathak

>

>Kanu Priya <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Om Adityaya Namah

>

>Dear Utpal,

>

> It is not the same.I agree that the effects will be felt and

there will be some results but you must understand why.It is due to the concept

of Paka Lagna.This is not an exchange.Do not use the wrong term.God is a private

thing.How a person decides to pray is very personal and private but using a

wrong Jyotish term is not a private thing specially on a forum where we are

present to learn...and hopefully learn the correct usage of terms, methods etc

and understand the underlying reasoning behind them too.

>

>Best Wishes,

>

>Kanupriya.

>

> >"utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak >

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: Can this cause Parivartana Yoga? Sourav bhai,

Kanupriya, Richa

> >Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:52:49 -0000

> >

> >Dear Kanupriya,

> >

> >I just gave one example. I think we may not be able to convince each

> >other. what you prefer to see it as Despositors & paak lagna, I

> >prefer to see as different versions of Parivartana only because to my

> >understanding 'Despositor concept' alone is the basis

> >of 'Parivartana' and the very name 'Parivartana or Exchange' does not

> >suggest that It should involve only Two houses lords.

> >

> >but any way we are looking at the same thing with different names

> >only. what you call bhagavan, i may call allah and some body may

> >choose to call the same as God. what is there in Names?, it is the

> >substance alone which matters....just a philosophical touch to

> >complete :-)

> >

> >Thanks for your viwes & regards,

> >

> >Utpal Pathak

> >

> >vedic astrology, "Kanu Priya" <barish44@h...>

> >wrote:

> > >

> >

>

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[i am surprized that you connected this with anger.]

I wrote you about the colour of the Mantra. it was just a light hearted comment,

as your pervious mail was having black colour for the Mantra. There is no

question of connecting the Mantra with Anger, one of the worst Shadripu.

[The term Parivartana itself is nothing else but an exchange.If you add things

to this term it can confuse some of the new students on the forum which should

be avoided. Partha Guru has already further explained the difference so I am

sure the confusion has already been cleared.]

i am providing you the last message from Patha Garu--

(Dear Utpal

Parivartana actually doesnot mean exchange, it only means change. See our hindi,

Parivartan Lana hai, ek Jabardast Ghumav lana hai, etc thus we can play around

with words here.

Have you read AK article by Sanjayji.

The planets in the same longitude change karakatwas. He has once told me that

this is also another case of parivartana.

best wishes

partha)

Please read the underlined sentences given in above para.

[When the Parivartana happens there is an exchange between the two Paka lords,

which is why it is giving the result of the Parivartana and NOT of the Paka

lagna.This is the most important difference to be understood between both the

different terms.]

Agreeing to you completely, i would say, with the same above principle, there

can also be mutual exchanges between 3 or more Paka Lords. can you deny?

[There is no need to convince me as I am following what has been taught and not

what I invented.However if you want to experiment\ research something and come

out with new theories you must say so to avoid misguiding the new students]

Begining from the whole conversation, only the above underlined statement has

hert me. I am nobody who can invent and lay claim on new principles. I am

looking at the principles you & i have learned and applying those very

principles. and I am misguiding the people on the site then let sjc authorities

or owner / moderator of this site tell me straight on my face and i will

withdraw for ever.