Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Dear Utpal Srijagannath site still gives the unrectified TOB. The right time of birth is 8:27 AM. I have my doubts over Dvadasamsa lagna which is not going to be resolved soon. Pt.Rath rectified the TOB to 8:27 so that the D-60 lagna comes to Libra. There are two famous KP experts, Mr.Sahni and Dr.Satyaprakash who also told me that it should be 8:27. but with dvadasamsa lagna of Mithuna, i cannot understand how my mother had severe eye problems, spinal problems and expired at a young age of 30(September 1986). But anyways that is past. I have also had eye problems to which many people suggested so many things. My left eye is 90% blind and right eye is 40% blind. This is the main problem which can be seen from the chart. You have not offended me in any way. I cannot wish away the family traumas and physical problems. Government of India made me run around for a long time to give me visually impaired certificate. After i got the certificate i decided not to write any government exam. best wishes partha vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > My correction as Feb 1985 & not 2005 > > regards > > pathak > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > Dear Partha Garu, > > > > I visited the site & got your birth details and also some details > > about you. > > > > nothing can solace a person when mother departs..I have looked in > to > > the combination for early demise of your mother. there are many and > > cearly reflected also in D-12 (Why people overlook such a proof i > > wonder ..) > > > > I was also seeing the transit and dasha. did it happen in Moon and > > Fag end of Ketu antardasha. when Rahu just came in to 8th from moon > > and 2nd from 4th... i mean around Feb,2005? > > > > intrestingly enough your intrest in astrology started in Rahu > > Mahadasha and it is in 11th. my intrest in astrlogy also started in > > Rahu major and rah is in 8th for me. > > > > hope i have not offend you > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Utpal > > > Sanjayji has in one of his mails talked of this yoga to Mumin. > You > > can > > > check the archives. > > > Thinking aloud > > > Let us put Jupiter in first. One malefic in fourth and 8th. Say > if > > we have > > > Saturn in 4th and sun in 8th. mercury and venus cannot run very > > far. Let us > > > put Venus in 9th. Mercury in 7th. Now moon has to be in fifth and > > another > > > malefic either oF rahu or ketu should be with this moon. Now moon > > is waning, > > > thus cannot be considered a benefic. So Going by strict > > interpretation of > > > AND condition, it is difficult here. > > > Interchange moon with Jupiter, then there is a condition for > Matsya > > yoga > > > very close to perfection. Anyone out there??! > > > If we use OR condition, we might get quite a few pseudo matsya > > yogis like > > > me. > > > best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > > > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha Garu, > > > > > > > > I am also of the opinion that Rahu/Ketu should be included in > The > > > > Matsya Yoga defination as Provided by Dr Raman. > > > > > > > > I need to clarify that whatever i Posted in my today's mail has > > been > > > > completely taken from the book as it is. > > > > > > > > In Remarks Dr Raman himself has shown the surprise becuase the > > yoga > > > > says 1st & 9th should have only malefics. > > > > > > > > and if we take the yoga defination as it is (as provided by Shri > > > > Raman)and including Rahu then It becomes really a very Rare > > > > combination to occur in a chart. > > > > > > > > I would also request Sanjayji or anybody who knows the source, > to > > > > help by quoting the precise Shloka. > > > > > > > > thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > Pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal > > > > > > > > > > Thinking logically how can a malefic in lagna/9th make a > > > > > person "ocean of love" or was Shri Raman talking of some other > > > > Matsya > > > > > yoga?? > > > > > > > > > > What you have inferred is also quite brilliant. This is the > > outcome > > > > > of your logical thinking. Thus it is clear that we must > include > > > > nodes. > > > > > If we exclude nodes then only two candidates will be left > which > > is > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > I cannot quote you the sanskrit shloka as my internet version > > > > doesnot > > > > > have it, but i will give the translated one. I have the > shloka > > in > > > > the > > > > > book that i have at home,but not the internet version. > > > > > > > > > > ""Matsya Yog. Benefics in Dharm and Tanu Bhava, mixed Grahas > in > > > > Putr > > > > > Bhava and malefics in Bandhu and Randhr Bhava: this array of > > Grahas > > > > > at birth will produce Matsya Yog. In effect the native will > be a > > > > > Jyotishi, be a synonym of kindness, be virtuous, strong, > > beautiful, > > > > > famous, learned and pious."" > > > > > > > > > > Now Sanjayji had posted on Matsya yog quite a few times in > this > > > > > group. He has used the Or condition and not the And > condition. > > He > > > > > also talked about the partial formation. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Parth Garu & Kasturi, > > > > > > > > > > > > as conveyed to you I was not sure about the defination > which > > you > > > > > > provided me yesterday hence Yesterday night I again opened > the > > > > Book > > > > > > of Dr Raman i.e 9th edition of '300 Importnat Combination'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am giving the exact details written in that > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > Defination - If Lagna and 9th are joined by malefics, the > 5th > > by > > > > > both > > > > > > malefic & benefics, the 4th and the 8th by Malefics, Matsya > > yoga > > > > is > > > > > > formed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Results - The person will be an ocean of love, a reader of > > times, > > > > > > good natured, strong character, famous, religious & learned. > > > > > > > > > > > > Remarks - This seems to be a peculiar combination because > two > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > most important houses, viz.,Lagna and the ninth should be > > > > occupied > > > > > by > > > > > > evil planets, the fifth should contain a mixture of good & > > evil > > > > > > planets while malefics alone should occupy the 4th & 8th. > such > > > > > togas, > > > > > > though not impossible of occurrence, are indeed rare > because > > if > > > > > > mercury and the moon become benefical by good association & > > > > waxing > > > > > > resectively, onlt 3 malefics are left out(Excluding Rahu & > > Ketu) > > > > to > > > > > > cause the yoga. If Rahu & ketu are also included, then all > the > > > > > > malefics can not occupy the 1st,9th,4th & 8th in as much as > > Rahu > > > > & > > > > > > ketu must always be 180 degree apart. The presence of of > > Matsya > > > > > yoga > > > > > > in a horoscope may be admitted if Lagna,4th,8th & 9th or > > atleast > > > > > > Lagna & 9th have malefics and the 5th have both benefics & > > > > malefics. > > > > > > In Sanskrit Matsya means a fish and this yoga is supposed > to > > be a > > > > > > very favourable on. the high place given to it is equalled > by > > its > > > > > > conspicuous rarity in actual horoscope. If we include the > > aspects > > > > > of > > > > > > planets also, then the yoga can occur in 1 number of > > horoscopes > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above has fundamental difference with the one which you > > have > > > > > > provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to give the Shloka and clarify for the > > advantage of > > > > > all > > > > > > the readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "R. Kasthuri Rangan" > > > > > > <rkrangan@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Utpal, Partha and friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to give you more thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sankaracharya of Sringeri, His Holiness Jagadguru Sri > > > > > Bharathi > > > > > > > Tirtha Swamigal has Matsya yoga. His Holiness has Ketu in > > the > > > > > 9th, > > > > > > > Mercury and Mars in the 5th, Sun and Jupiter in the 4th. > > Ref: > > > > > > Jataka > > > > > > > Parijaatha Sloka 146. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > R. Kasthuri Rangan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Partha Garu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>THe condition is > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th > > > > > > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th > > > > > > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic). > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for version of your interpretation of Matsya Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If i am not mistaken, dr raman's translation doesn't > > > > > include 'OR' > > > > > > > >option. I don't know the actual Shloka and i don't know > > even > > > > to > > > > > > > >translate it but I'll come bcak to you with the exact > > details > > > > > from > > > > > > > >the book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It will be of great intrest to see your chart from the > > site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "V.Partha > sarathy" > > > > > > > ><partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Utpal > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Actually i opine that Rahu and ketu should be > considered, > > as > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>a psychic and ketu the Mokshakarak and is specifically > for > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > >>(refer Jaimini Sutras). > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>THe condition is > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>a) A benefic in lagna or 9th > > > > > > > >>b) A malefic in 4th or 8th > > > > > > > >>c) Mixed Grahas in fifth(one benefic and one malefic). > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Sanjayji has Jupiter in lagna > > > > > > > >>Rahu in fourth > > > > > > > >>Venus and Sun in fifth > > > > > > > >>He has perfect Matsya Yoga > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>myself have Mercury alone in lagna(Jupiter from fifth > > aspects > > > > > it) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>other planet aspects it > > > > > > > >>Saturn in 8th(this also is for Yoga, physical exertion, > > hard > > > > > life) > > > > > > > >>Jupiter and ketu in fifth. > > > > > > > >>My chart is also there on Srijagannath site. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>note that Mercury is benefic when well associated, Moon > > when > > > > > > Waxing. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Best wishes > > > > > > > >>partha > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > >><vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>Respected Partha Garu, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Absolutely, As consistent with my nature i always take > > any > > > > > rule > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>with a pinch of salt, there can not be a thumb rule > > working > > > > for > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>chart. i just wanted to find out the acceptibilty or > > > > otherwise > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > >>peculier combination. but thanks for your valuable > > suggetion > > > > as > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >>will only strenghthen my mind set about 'rules'. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>I knew about 'Matsya' yoga and BVRaman has commented > in > > his > > > > > 300 > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>imp.combination book > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>and he has said that it is the rarest of combination if > > > > > looking > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>the pure form of it. he even used the word 'Impossible' > > for > > > > > > Matsya > > > > > > > >>yoga because Rahu & Ketu are not included. but i felt > > while > > > > > > erading > > > > > > > >>it that it may not be impossible but must be rare. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>I think the yog makes one an ocean of kindness & love. > > loved > > > > > by > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>all, very respectable etc.. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>if i correctly remember, it is said to present when > > Lagna, > > > > > 4th, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>7th, 8th & 9th all having Paap Graha & 5th having > > > > combination > > > > > of > > > > > > > >>Malefic & Benefic ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>am i missing something? > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Pl. give your Matsya yoga combination to me. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>regards, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Pathak > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Dear Utpal > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Ofcourse what you said is valid. But please take any > rule > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > >>>pinch of salt. I know many guys with AK in 11th and > they > > are > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>neither > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>interested in astrology nor purusing any spiritual > > subjects. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>BPHS points to a very interesting Yoga which is called > > > > Matsya > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >yoga, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>have you read it. > > > > > > > >>>Sanjayji has this yoga, i am also having this yoga. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>best wishes > > > > > > > >>>partha > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > > > > > > > >>><vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>Dear Souravji & Parthaji, > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>I was thinking a lot on the issue of 11th house > > placement > > > > of > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>Atmakarak > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>& learning of Jyotish, for last half an hour. > > > > > > > >>>>as i have already written in my previous mail that I > am > > not > > > > > > > >>>>understanding the much importance given to 11th house > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>subject > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>of Astrlogy (Occult) though only thing was obvious > that > > it > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>4th > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>house from 8th and a Panafar as well as Upachaya. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>but I have found a good reasoning by which i can > > > > technically > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>accept > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>the rule which is described as under > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>as we know that > > > > > > > >>>>1) Panafar are the house of seeing future i.e 2nd, > 5th, > > 8th > > > > & > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>11th. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>as it is said that connection of the above houses may > > > > > generate > > > > > > > >>>>interest in astrology and allied studies. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>2)Atmakarka is the king of a chart. it Represents the > > > > > > > >>>>Direction/desire of one's atma > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>3)Primary Argala's are 2nd, 4th & 11th > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>4)8th House is a basic & pivotal house for occult > > knowledge > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>as > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>astrology. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>5)11th house beside being a house of Fructification of > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>also > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>the 4th (Learning) house from 8th (Jyotisha Shastra) > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>Now if we combined the above 5 points than very > > intresting > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>product > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>comes out of the fusion. i.e 11th house gets > connected > > with > > > > > all > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>above points. The most important point in favour of > 11th > > > > > house > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>that it can only Cause Argala(Conclusive > interference) > > to > > > > th > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >8th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>house. the other Panfar namely 2nd, 5th can not cause > > > > argala > > > > > to > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>8th > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>and 5th even causes virodh argala. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>With the above explanation to myself, I can now > without > > > > dowbt > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>accept > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>the rule of Atmakarka in 11th and intrest in jyotish > or > > any > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>occult knowledge. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>will be hapy to know your views. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>best regards > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>Utpal > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha > > sarathy" > > > > > > > >>>><partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>Dear Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>The basis of all the divisional charts is a Modulo, > for > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >example > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>d- > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>20, > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>20/12=8 thus 8th house is the seed for d-20 > > > > > > > >>>>>Similarly, for d-16, 16/12, remainder is 4, Thus > fourth > > > > > house > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>the > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>basis of d-16, that is the chart for sukha. > > > > > > > >>>>>Now for d-24, 24/12= Remainder is 0, which should be > > taken > > > > > as > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>12 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>itself and thus 12th house represents the Para Vidya. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>4th house represents the school till 12th class.in > > > > siddhamsa > > > > > > > >>>>>9th represents undergraduate > > > > > > > >>>>>2nd house-post graduation > > > > > > > >>>>>7th house-doctoral > > > > > > > >>>>>12th house -post doctoral. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>Now this is for mundane level studies. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>In rasi when we talk of initial learning we see 2nd > > house, > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >4th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>house > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>schooling, 5th house for mantra shastra and higher > > learning > > > > > > > >>>>>9th house for Guru based scriptural learning > > > > > > > >>>>>12th house for Spiritual learning. > > > > > > > >>>>>The karaka argument doesnot hold, as Jupiter is also > > > > Karaka > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>9th > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>and 11th house. Jupiter is not only for mantra(5th > > house) > > > > > but > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>also > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>for gurupadesa. > > > > > > > >>>>>The karaka for 12th house is saturn. Now it is your > > turn > > > > to > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>think > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>as > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>to what Saturn represents and how it is the karaka > for > > > > 12th > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>house. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>Pouranmi Tithi is ruled by saturn. > > > > > > > >>>>>There is no redundancy when you think harder > regarding > > 8th > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>house. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>8th > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>house is the body of knowledge itself, whereas 11th > > house > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>learning of the same. > > > > > > > >>>>>Similary 8th can also show speculation, but the > actual > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >activity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>is > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>seen from 5th house. > > > > > > > >>>>>AK will remove blockage as AK represents the Light of > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >paramatma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>best wishes > > > > > > > >>>>>partha > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav > > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > >>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>Dear Partha-ji, > > > > > > > >>>>>>Namaskar. I understand your logic. Its nice. However > > > > > > > >>>>>>there are two issues: > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>1. 4H represents formal knowledge and material > > knowledge. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>apara-vidya and this knowledge is needed for > > sustenance > > > > of > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>native abd hence is in kendra to the Lagna. Mercury > is > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>karaka > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>of > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>this house. Moon is the other karaka being the lord > of > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>4th > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>house > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>in the natural zodiac and represents Manas. Moon > > > > represents > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>samsara > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>(world of Maya) and w/o having its own light > reflects > > the > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>light > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>of > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>the Sun and thus represents Maya not Satya. > Knowledge > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>associated > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>with Maya (material knowledge) is aparavidya and > not > > para- > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>vidya. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>5H represents mantra vidya and para-vidya (spiritual > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>knowledge) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>and > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>its karaka is none other than Ju. The other karaka > is > > Su > > > > as > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>he > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>is > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>the ruler of the 5th house of the natural zodiac. > > Thus 5H > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>to > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>be > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>associated with true knowledge or para-vidya. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>12H doesnt necessarily means higher knowledge. It > > shows > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>knowledge > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>of > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>the immediate elders like mother, father, teacher > who > > are > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>or > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>two > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>generations ahead of the native. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>More of this in Guru Sarajit-ji's article on > Siddhamsa > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >(Chap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>11, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>Varga Chakra, Sagar Publications) > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>2. I agree with you about 11H being 4th (learning) > > from > > > > 8H > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>(occult) > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>from the bhavatbhavam concept. However, I am uneasy > > with > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>to > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>be > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>the only reason why 11H is included in the scheme of > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>reason is that there is a redundancy of the 8th > being > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>considered > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>twice - once by itself and another time by being the > > > > house > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>from > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>which 11H is the 4th. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>3. I am not sure about why AK will remove blockage. > Is > > > > this > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>conceptual thumb rule or is it mentioned somewhere. > If > > > > so, > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>intend > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>to learn this carefully. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>=================================================================== > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>vedic astrology, "V.Partha > > > > sarathy" > > > > > > > >>>>>><partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Dear Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>11th house is the 7th house or maraka to the fifth > > house > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>Mantra > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>and Sacred spells, how can it give knowledge of > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>then? > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>5th house is the house of material knowledge and > also > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>mantra. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>It > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>is > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>not para vidya , as paravidya has to be seen from > the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>house > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>(8th > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>from 5th). 12th shows the meaning(8th) of the > fifth > > house > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>(mantra). > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Now coming to the doubt i raised. Atma karaka is > not > > the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>Jeevatman > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>but the representative or rather the theme of the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >jivatma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>No > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>planet > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>can actually represent Atma, as Atma is beyond all > > the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>rupa/guna. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>When AK is in 11th house it is learning(4th house) > > the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>secrets > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>of > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>the > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>world(8th house). This could be through astrology, > > but > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>not > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>be > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>the only way. I talked of block to 5th house. When > > AK is > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>11th > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>house, the Block of fifth house is removed. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Thus there is no hard and fast rule that AK in > 11th > > can > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>give > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>interest > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>in astrology alone, it can be any other occult > > practice. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Best wishes > > > > > > > >>>>>>>partha > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >Chowdhury" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Namaskar. It is difficult for me to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>exactly > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>ascertain what Sanjay-ji was thinking at that > point > > of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>time > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>but > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>let > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>me share my thoughts. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>2H (speech) 5H (intelligence/memory/paraavidya) 8H > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>(occult > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>knowledge) and 11H (fulfilment) are all four > houses > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>and > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>hence > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>are mutually supportive. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Looking at 11H alone, it is the last house of the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>kaamatrikona. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>It > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>has the significance of gains and all kinds of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >receipts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>It > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>additionally has the significances (amongst other > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >things) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>of > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>- worshipping the deities and the good > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>- extreme cunningness > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>- wishfulfillment > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>- wisdom > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>AK is the representative of the jeevatman and its > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>involvement > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>in > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>any > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>of these houses is good. I can only imagine that > AK > > in > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>11H > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>strengthens fulfilment. Any sign occupied my AK > > becomes > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>very > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>important in the chart. See what happens when AK > is > > in > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>11H > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>in > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>the D-9. It shows a brave and successful native > > capable > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>of > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>performing any task. Also AK in the 11H has direct > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>opportunity > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>to > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>aspect the 5H (what Sanjay-ji called the key > > house)!! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>Graha > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>drishti > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>of AK is very strong as it is indicative of soul's > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>This is only to my understanding and > interpretation. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "utpal > > pathak" > > > > > > > >>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>Sourav Bhai, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>Sanjayji gave a lot of weightage to Atmakarka's > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>placement > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>in > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>11th > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>house. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>I can understand that 11th house is 4th from 8th > & > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>knowledge > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>for > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>hidden/occult , also a Panafar but why so much > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>importance > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>of > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>Atmakarka to only 11th house? can you enlighten > > me. I > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>am > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>not > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>asking > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>this because i have that perticular combination > > but I > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>need > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>some > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>more > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>technical clarifications. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>utpal > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>Chowdhury" > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>><sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Dear Pathak-bhai, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. Good point made. May I > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>a > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>fresh > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>view > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to your point? Guru Sanjay-ji said: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>".... Jyotisha is given by planets who have the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>ability > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to see the future (Panapara houses 2,5,8,11). Of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>these, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>the > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>fifth > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>is > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>the controlling house for the future. Jupiter > and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>Rahu > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>have > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>special > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect on the fifth house, and are hte best > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>astrologers. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>They > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>are > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>followed by Mars who can aspect the 8th house." > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>4H shows paravidya (worldly knowledge, 5H shows > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>aparaa- > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>vidya > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>(spiritual knowledge, mantra diksha etc) and 8H > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>occult > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>knowledge. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Thus jyotisha knowledge is definitely part of 5H > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>8H > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>quality. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Hence, planets having 5th and 8th aspects can > give > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>jyotisha > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>understandings, if that is what Guru Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Ju and Ra are planets that can give 5th aspects, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Mars > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>can > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>give > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>8th aspect. Hence these planets are > significant. > > As > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>you > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>rightly > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>pointed out, Ra is a planet of wrong desires and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>lead > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>knowledge > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>to negative channels or selfishness. Ju in > > addition > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>having a > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>5th > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>aspect is himself the planet of dhi - > intelligence > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>sashtras > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>traditional knowledge. Hence Ju has an added > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>significance > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>over > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>There is another significance of Ra, that of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>a 'researcher' > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>hence > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu aspect can show intense research that is > good > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>understand > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>However, I tend to keep my views on assessment > of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>jyotisha > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>talent > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>by > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>seeing any good connection between 2H, 5H, 8H > and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >11H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>or > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>their > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>lords. All planets have different qualities and > > can > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>influence > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotisha learning in different ways. For > example, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>signifies > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>discipline and hardwork and such is a necessary > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>component > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>for a > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>good > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>jyotishi. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Again, thanks for your good posting. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology, Utpal > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >Pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>><vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>dear Saurav bhai & Cramer, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>[ > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>house: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>It > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>is > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>not a > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>] > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu & Ketu though not physical bodies, are > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>accepted > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>as > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>very > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>important by ancient writers. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu doesn't aspect becuase it is headless but > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>about > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu's > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>5th, 9th & 12th Drashti? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>I came to know a good explanation for this and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>it > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>on > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>to > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>you > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>for your intrest.. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu is a enemy of guru & vice versa (Guru is > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>inimical > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>to > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Rahu). so wherever Guru want to cast his benign > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>aspect, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>our > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>dear > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>demon Rahu wants to wreck it. Guru wants to > teach > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>Jyotish > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>so > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>also wants to Teach it but in entirely different > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>and > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>for > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>opposite motives. Guru want to give good > qualities > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>wants > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>a > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>person > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>follow dharma and make him 'Tolerable' by > > aspecting > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>9th > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>house, > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Rahu > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to destroy the Dharma by casting the same > > 9th > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>house > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>aspect > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>wants to make him 'Nastika' and 'Intolerable' > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>just occured to write few lines to a already > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>learned > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>person. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>utpal > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Kramer, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Namaskar. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>1. In my Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-24 I see > that > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>connection. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>2. Strong 9H means you will follow dharma. Not > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>necessarily > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>become > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>as > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>astrologer. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>3. I am not sure why he mentioned Ra. I know > Ke's > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>involvement > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>is > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>definite. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sourav > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>astrology, "giddyupguys" > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>><giddyupguys> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Sourav, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Three questions: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not sure about others, but I have some > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>reasonably > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>good > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>connections in my D-24. But I believe that > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>without > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>Guru's > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>blessings > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>How about in rasi chart? Where are the planets > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>according > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>your > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>rising > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>sign? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 9th house not taken by Sanjay Rath for > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>to > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>be > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>a > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>good > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>astrologer. One has to have a good 9th > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >house/lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>is > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>what I > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>thought. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Can somebody explain? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Why is Rahu/North Node having a aspect on 5th > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>house: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>It > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>is > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>not > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>a > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>planet right? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Kramer > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Archives: vedic- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>astrology > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>astrology/info.html > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic- astrology- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>Krishnaarpanamastu > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>|| > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Links > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic- astrology/ > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To from this group, send an email > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>vedic astrology > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>Terms > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>of > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>Service. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Tired of spam? 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