2-Jyothi: RE.... What is the role of sun sign compared to Ascendant and Moon sign?

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Respected Gurujis, With my little knowledge, I have come to know that Ascendent

denotes ones all round personality and physical charactersitics and

moon sign shows the mental attitude and temperament. In between this

what is the role of sign sign or what does it signify?

Dear Jyothi:

Even though we don't hear that much, sometimes, from Jyotish, regarding the Sun,

obviously, it's very important.

We only have to look at the comparitive sizes of the Sun, vs. the planets, or

Moon, to see, the difference.

But, perhaps, the emphasise, is more due, to the fact, that the Moon, more

'practically', maybe, represent's where our conscious mind's are and

functioning, in the World, in this life...

Well, for whatever reason, and especially for those who perhaps, have a more

abstract side to them, the Sun, is as important.

The Sun, represent's the 'I', or Self, and is therefore the primary significator

of self-confidence, self-esteem, and ability of change, transformation and will.

See my attached, recent article on the Sun, for more info.

The Sun, however, in it's different signs, like the Moon, represent's a quality or characteristic,

of 'I', or self-nature.

Arians, are different then, Geminis.

Taurian, Sun's are different then, Cancer.

To me, the Sun represent's all the different flavors of the Self, that we can live.

None of them is necessarily better or worse, though obviously Jyotish feel's

certain sign, placements are also indicative of more or less self-health.

For example, the Sun in Aries, being called Exalted, represent's one of the

situations, when the Sun-self, is the most strong.

Also, Sun/Leo individuals, also have a very powerful, Sun, nature.

And, people with Sun/Libra nature's not only represent the 'Libran' nature, but

they also have issues of weakness in terms of self-confidence, that is due to

this uniquely, particular 'libran' nature.

Generally, each Sun in the rest of the signs, mostly just represent individual, or human nature's.

The key to the Sun's placement, then, is not that any sign, is really better,

but whether, the Sun, / sign, is in a good, or poor House, or aspected, poorly

by malefics.

Sometimes, 'selfishness' is the message because of it's placement in the 1st or 7th houses.

Sometime's, the Sun, being too close to other planets, who end up being combust,

contains a meaning for us, that's unique to combustion.

Generally, Sun, combustion, mean's the Sun's overshadowing, the other particular

human part of us, that should be stronger.

If Mercury's combust, then self, or will, or selfishness, has so dominated, that

intellectual clarity of mind, is lost, sometimes.

If Venus is combust, then, the natural importance of Venus' loveing or

appreciative nature, also, is lost, or overshadowed by our Sun's.

Mars, too, being combust, mean's some important aspect of our Mars' is lost to us.

On and on.

Finally, I'd like to say, that the Sun, represent's unique particular meanings,

due to it's House lordship.

If the Sun's the lord of the 10th house, then meaning or quality of career, is

the lesson of our Sun's.

The Sun, ultimately, represent's our deepest, soul urgings, and desires, dreams.

So, knowing what your Sun is up to, helps' us understand our real, and yet,

abstract quality, of life-purpose, or soul development.

Hope this helps, a little.

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

PS... ALSO you asked what the relationship is between our Sun's, and Moon's & Rising Signs...

If the Sun represent's our karmas, especially related to our Self's, I's, or

ego's, then, our Moon's relate to our emotional, feeling or intuitive nature.

And, our Rising sign, relates to our outer, physical nature's, personalitie, and bodies.

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[vedic astrology] What is the role of sun sign compared to Ascendant and Moon sign?

Respected Gurujis,

 

With my little knowledge, I have come to know that Ascendent

denotes ones all round personality and physical charactersitics and

moon sign shows the mental attitude and temperament. In between this

what is the role of sign sign or what does it signify? To analyse a

person's characteristics, Western people are taking sun sign and we are

taking moon sign. If so, wont one get two different conclusion if the

sun sign and moon sign is different? Can any body help me in on issue?

 

REgards,

Jyothi

"Where there's a Will, there's a Way!"

Or

Strengthening the Sun!

Now, here's an expression which we've all heard a lot!

Today, I thought this might be a fun way of looking at the key to personal

change, and self-empowerment.

Though sometimes, trying 'to will' ourselves, into something new and improved,

feels more like pulling oneself, up, by one's boot straps!

However, I believe there's a great, grain of truth in this expression.

It's certainly true, when people don't exhibit any strength of will; problems,

and lack of effectiveness, do dominate.

During this very special time of the year, when the Sun, and the 'will', are in

their maximum strength, and potential; (in Exalted Sun/Aries)... this might be

a good time, to reflect on this topic.

In Jyotish as in Western Astrology, the "will", is a reflection of one's Sun,

Self, or self-confidence.

Though the quality of will, may be due, also, to emotional or Moonish,

considerations, or even any number of dysfunctions, due to functioning

malefics.

For right now, let's just explore, how we might strengthen our 'Wills', by

learning to strength, our Sun's, alone!

I also find this important, because the Sun's really such an important, 'Astrological body'!

In Jyotish, we tend to forget the importance of the Sun.

Jyotish, so often, focuses on the Moon, as being soooo, important.

Unfortunately, the Moon, has no real power!

It's light, even it's heavenly gravitational force, is a product of the Sun.

All the Planets, even, pale in comparison to the Sun.

If you've ever seen one of those Astronomy pictures, comparing the size of the

Sun, to the planets, they all pale, in comparison.

So, what else does the Sun represent,...

The Sun....

The Sun represent's the 'I', the Self, the ego, the entire subjective self.

No wonder the Sun's so important. Sun, also represent's our 'Father', and his

father, and his, and the next, and next....and then, all the way to the

ultimate Father, God-Self.

Sun, Self, may also reflect Consciousness, Awareness, or being.

This might, then, be why it's thought, generally to be so difficult to strengthen the Sun.

However, in the West, there's a powerful, tradition, of believing that 'one' can

improve oneself, by a sheer act of 'Will'!

Recent event's in the History of the West, over the last 100 year's does tend to

confirm this believe and possibility.

Today, there are more billionaires, or successful people, then at any time in the history of 'Man'.

In America for example, we believe that any "person can grow up to be President."

This attitude seems to have helped in people's abilities to access their will,

and develop themselves, and accomplish their life goals.

In the East, there is a similar traditon of Self-Development. It even has a

fairly interesting name: "Self-Realization." Though it's generally thought to

be fairly difficult to find the Self, and/or become enlightened, still there is

as least, the Principle of Strengthening one'Self.

The problem, at least Philosophically, is that the 'self' or even, 'ego', is

that thing, which is not a thing, thought, or behavior. In other words, the

Self, is that which is the basis of all thoughts, and actions.

So, how do we strengthen that?

But, there is quite a bit of auxilary evidence that suggests that the Self, or

Sun, might be strengthened, by 'effort', by 'act of will'.

For those, however, who find it very difficult to make this most abstract, and

subjective, self-improvement, there are some great precednets in Vedic Science.

For example, there is the time honored tradition of 'Meditation', for not only

contacting the Self, but through regular experience, then, developing or

unfolding more and more of the Self's potential.

Recent experience, even, over the last 45 years, has shown, (through scientific

research), that meditation can improve self-confidence, creativity, even IQ, or

Intelligence seems to be able to be strengthened.

How is this possible?

When one sit's down to meditate, and closes the eyes, the natural tendency of

the mind and body, is to settle down.

Then, picking up a mantra, (in japa meditaiton), one can learn how to

disassociate one'self, from one's normal conscious, and associate kind of

thinking, one thought after another, after another.

Then, one begin's to experience, thought in an "inward" direction, and

spontaneously, one experience's quieter and quieter level's of thought, until,

the very earliest stage of the thought process, is transcended and one arrive's

at the very source of thought.

As it turns out this Source of Thought, is a state of unlimited, potential,

awareness, and intelligence.

Also, as it turns out, with repeated experiences of this very pleasing, inward

experience, one begin's to exhibit more internal wakefulness, and awareness.

o So, meditation may be the #1 remedy for strengthening the Sun.

Other things I do, include:

o Looking at the specific symbolisms of the Sun's weakness in anyone's

chart, to find the

unique, individual, suggestions that are appropriate for each person.

For example, Sun in the first house, is indicative of a malefic functioning Sun.

The normal, typical explanation is because the Sun, in the first is

represenative, of a kind of selfishness, and as a result, many people

experience the results of this.

The Jyotish solution, or suggestion I recomend, is for those people, through an

act of will, make a conscious decision to be less selfish.

Since we have caused our karmas, it's only natural, that we should be able to change our karmas.

o Another thing I recomend is reading literature that has a specific

purpose of strengthening the Sun, or Self.

For example, the Upanishads, one of the many Vedic literature, is all about Self-Development.

In the Upanishads, there are these great expressions of the full potential of the Self.

Isa Upanishad:

"The Spirit, without moving, is swifter than the mind;

the senses cannot reach him.

He is forever beyond them.

Standing still, he overtakes those that run.

To the ocean of his being, the spirit of life leads the streams of actions.

Who sees all beings in his own Self, and his own Self, in all

beings, loses all fear."

And finally:

"When a sage sees this great Unity and his Self has become all beings;

what delusion and what sorrow can ever be near him!"

All these words are very inspiring and even stirring as to the Self and Sun's potential in life.

These and many others, for example, inspired me, in my striving for experience

and development of consciousness through meditation.

And, when I finally had this experience: "Who sees all beings in his Self...and

his own Self,

in all beings....loses all fear", this was the culmination of my

self-development through meditation.

Finally,.... developming the Self-Sun, is a very powerful, and significant

activity, because the Sun, I, ego, being at the basis of all thoughts and

actions,...if it can be improved, will be the one thing we can do to improve,

literally, each and every aspect of our live's....

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

Astrologer

Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved

m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com

641 472-0000.

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Way!" or Strengthening the Sun! ....... Mark Kincaid 5/12

"Where there's a Will, there's a Way!"

Or

Strengthening the Sun!

Now, here's an expression which we've all heard a lot!

Today, I thought this might be a fun way of looking at the key to personal

change, and self-empowerment.

Though sometimes, trying 'to will' ourselves, into something new and improved,

feels more like pulling oneself, up, by one's boot straps!

However, I believe there's a great, grain of truth in this expression.

It's certainly true, when people don't exhibit any strength of will; problems,

and lack of effectiveness, do dominate.

During this very special time of the year, when the Sun, and the 'will', are in

their maximum strength, and potential; (in Exalted Sun/Aries)... this might be

a good time, to reflect on this topic.

In Jyotish as in Western Astrology, the "will", is a reflection of one's Sun,

Self, or self-confidence.

Though the quality of will, may be due, also, to emotional or Moonish,

considerations, or even any number of dysfunctions, due to functioning

malefics.

For right now, let's just explore, how we might strengthen our 'Wills', by

learning to strength, our Sun's, alone!

I also find this important, because the Sun's really such an important, 'Astrological body'!

In Jyotish, we tend to forget the importance of the Sun.

Jyotish, so often, focuses on the Moon, as being soooo, important.

Unfortunately, the Moon, has no real power!

It's light, even it's heavenly gravitational force, is a product of the Sun.

All the Planets, even, pale in comparison to the Sun.

If you've ever seen one of those Astronomy pictures, comparing the size of the

Sun, to the planets, they all pale, in comparison.

So, what else does the Sun represent,...

The Sun....

The Sun represent's the 'I', the Self, the ego, the entire subjective self.

No wonder the Sun's so important. Sun, also represent's our 'Father', and his

father, and his, and the next, and next....and then, all the way to the

ultimate Father, God-Self.

Sun, Self, may also reflect Consciousness, Awareness, or being.

This might, then, be why it's thought, generally to be so difficult to strengthen the Sun.

However, in the West, there's a powerful, tradition, of believing that 'one' can

improve oneself, by a sheer act of 'Will'!

Recent event's in the History of the West, over the last 100 year's does tend to

confirm this believe and possibility.

Today, there are more billionaires, or successful people, then at any time in the history of 'Man'.

In America for example, we believe that any "person can grow up to be President."

This attitude seems to have helped in people's abilities to access their will,

and develop themselves, and accomplish their life goals.

In the East, there is a similar traditon of Self-Development. It even has a

fairly interesting name: "Self-Realization." Though it's generally thought to

be fairly difficult to find the Self, and/or become enlightened, still there is

as least, the Principle of Strengthening one'Self.

The problem, at least Philosophically, is that the 'self' or even, 'ego', is

that thing, which is not a thing, thought, or behavior. In other words, the

Self, is that which is the basis of all thoughts, and actions.

So, how do we strengthen that?

But, there is quite a bit of auxilary evidence that suggests that the Self, or

Sun, might be strengthened, by 'effort', by 'act of will'.

For those, however, who find it very difficult to make this most abstract, and

subjective, self-improvement, there are some great precednets in Vedic Science.

For example, there is the time honored tradition of 'Meditation', for not only

contacting the Self, but through regular experience, then, developing or

unfolding more and more of the Self's potential.

Recent experience, even, over the last 45 years, has shown, (through scientific

research), that meditation can improve self-confidence, creativity, even IQ, or

Intelligence seems to be able to be strengthened.

How is this possible?

When one sit's down to meditate, and closes the eyes, the natural tendency of

the mind and body, is to settle down.

Then, picking up a mantra, (in japa meditaiton), one can learn how to

disassociate one'self, from one's normal conscious, and associate kind of

thinking, one thought after another, after another.

Then, one begin's to experience, thought in an "inward" direction, and

spontaneously, one experience's quieter and quieter level's of thought, until,

the very earliest stage of the thought process, is transcended and one arrive's

at the very source of thought.

As it turns out this Source of Thought, is a state of unlimited, potential,

awareness, and intelligence.

Also, as it turns out, with repeated experiences of this very pleasing, inward

experience, one begin's to exhibit more internal wakefulness, and awareness.

o So, meditation may be the #1 remedy for strengthening the Sun.

Other things I do, include:

o Looking at the specific symbolisms of the Sun's weakness in anyone's

chart, to find the

unique, individual, suggestions that are appropriate for each person.

For example, Sun in the first house, is indicative of a malefic functioning Sun.

The normal, typical explanation is because the Sun, in the first is

represenative, of a kind of selfishness, and as a result, many people

experience the results of this.

The Jyotish solution, or suggestion I recomend, is for those people, through an

act of will, make a conscious decision to be less selfish.

Since we have caused our karmas, it's only natural, that we should be able to change our karmas.

o Another thing I recomend is reading literature that has a specific

purpose of strengthening the Sun, or Self.

For example, the Upanishads, one of the many Vedic literature, is all about Self-Development.

In the Upanishads, there are these great expressions of the full potential of the Self.

Isa Upanishad:

"The Spirit, without moving, is swifter than the mind;

the senses cannot reach him.

He is forever beyond them.

Standing still, he overtakes those that run.

To the ocean of his being, the spirit of life leads the streams of actions.

Who sees all beings in his own Self, and his own Self, in all

beings, loses all fear."

And finally:

"When a sage sees this great Unity and his Self has become all beings;

what delusion and what sorrow can ever be near him!"

All these words are very inspiring and even stirring as to the Self and Sun's potential in life.

These and many others, for example, inspired me, in my striving for experience

and development of consciousness through meditation.

And, when I finally had this experience: "Who sees all beings in his Self...and

his own Self,

in all beings....loses all fear", this was the culmination of my

self-development through meditation.

Finally,.... developming the Self-Sun, is a very powerful, and significant

activity, because the Sun, I, ego, being at the basis of all thoughts and

actions,...if it can be improved, will be the one thing we can do to improve,

literally, each and every aspect of our live's....

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

Astrologer

Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved

m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com

641 472-0000.