Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 Dear Markji, Thank you for providing a detailed information on sun. can I ask you some more questions related to this topic? 1. While all planets just reflect the light of sun, why is it said that planets dont have any strength unless MOON is powerful? (I have read that planets are incapable of providing good results if MOon is not powerful. 2. Why is sun considered as a malefic if it helps spiritual progress? 3. Why is Sun considered as a separative planet? Can I share with you an interesting incident that happened very recently? A week before, I attended an interview for Tech Writer at one of the very reputed MNC in Chennai, India. Since in my resume I had shown Philosophy, Astrology, physics etc as my interested fields, the interview panel got interested and asked so many questions related to that,( like do i believe astro is a science , Whats my opinion of Osho etc( I had said I read Osho, Jiddu ...). After the Technical Test & Interview, the panel were very much in doubt whether I was genuinely speaking about all those thing or just showing off. So for me they kept one more written test saying that they just wanted to check my writing skills. And I was shocked to find the questions they asked. They were 1. Prove that astrology is science (considering astrology as a predictive science)in not less than 500 words. 2. Compare & contrast the philosophies of Osho & Jiddu krishnamurthy. i never thought theyll put these questions to test my writing skills!!! I wrote so convincingly that they understood I am genuinely intersted in these subjects. After clearing all the rounds of interview came the Vicepresident level interview, and here also he focussed on my interest in astrology (Everybody was very curiuos to know being a Physics student what attracted me to astrology!!!). The VP was an extremely gentle and jovial person, he asked me to guess his zodiac sign. I said it is difficult to tell ones sign just by knowing a person for a few minutes(atleast for me ). He pressed me to tell and said that " My daughter is also interested in all these things , but she always says that I dont show the nature of my zodiac sign and she is very much confused about it. Everybodys nature matches with their zodiac sign nature except yours". On hearing this I said, in that case you may be GEMINI". And VP burst out into a laughter saying that " Ofcourse I am a Gemini"!!!!! What made me say that was i knew GEminians always confuse others by their nature( having dual nature right?). If a daughter who best knows her father, is confused about the sign what else can be the sign. That was what made me say so. But that was only a lucky guess, considering my little knowledge in astrology. But when i reached home I thought about that, What exactly can show ones nature - Ascendant? Sun sign? or Moon sign? This made me post the question in the group. VP didnt leave me alone u know, he asked "What do you think, acc. to yur horoscope will u get into this company or not? And i said" I donno if ill get into this company , but Iam sure to get a good job by october". And last week, I joined another CMM level 5 ccompany as a Tech writer and Im writing this mail from my new company!!! (All my answers were just out of intuition and NOT AT ALL DUE TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN ASTROLOGY AS I AM JUST A STUDENT IN THE SUBJECT!!) Any way ,this interview was the most interesting interview I have ever attended in my life!!! Regards, Jyothi. vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > Respected Gurujis, With my little knowledge, I have come to know that > Ascendent > denotes ones all round personality and physical charactersitics and > moon sign shows the mental attitude and temperament. In between this > what is the role of sign sign or what does it signify? > > > Dear Jyothi: > > Even though we don't hear that much, sometimes, from Jyotish, regarding the > Sun, obviously, it's very important. > > We only have to look at the comparitive sizes of the Sun, vs. the planets, > or Moon, to see, the difference. > > But, perhaps, the emphasise, is more due, to the fact, that the Moon, more > 'practically', maybe, represent's where our conscious mind's are and > functioning, in the World, in this life... > > Well, for whatever reason, and especially for those who perhaps, have a more > abstract side to them, the Sun, is as important. > > The Sun, represent's the 'I', or Self, and is therefore the primary > significator of self-confidence, self-esteem, and ability of change, > transformation and will. > > See my attached, recent article on the Sun, for more info. > > The Sun, however, in it's different signs, like the Moon, represent's a > quality or characteristic, > of 'I', or self-nature. > > Arians, are different then, Geminis. > > Taurian, Sun's are different then, Cancer. > > To me, the Sun represent's all the different flavors of the Self, that we > can live. > > None of them is necessarily better or worse, though obviously Jyotish feel's > certain sign, placements are also indicative of more or less self- health. > > For example, the Sun in Aries, being called Exalted, represent's one of the > situations, when the Sun-self, is the most strong. > > Also, Sun/Leo individuals, also have a very powerful, Sun, nature. > > And, people with Sun/Libra nature's not only represent the 'Libran' nature, > but they also have issues of weakness in terms of self-confidence, that is > due to this uniquely, particular 'libran' nature. > > Generally, each Sun in the rest of the signs, mostly just represent > individual, or human nature's. > > The key to the Sun's placement, then, is not that any sign, is really > better, but whether, the Sun, / sign, is in a good, or poor House, or > aspected, poorly by malefics. > > Sometimes, 'selfishness' is the message because of it's placement in the 1st > or 7th houses. > > Sometime's, the Sun, being too close to other planets, who end up being > combust, contains a meaning for us, that's unique to combustion. > > Generally, Sun, combustion, mean's the Sun's overshadowing, the other > particular human part of us, that should be stronger. > > If Mercury's combust, then self, or will, or selfishness, has so dominated, > that intellectual clarity of mind, is lost, sometimes. > > If Venus is combust, then, the natural importance of Venus' loveing or > appreciative nature, also, is lost, or overshadowed by our Sun's. > > Mars, too, being combust, mean's some important aspect of our Mars' is lost > to us. > > On and on. > > > Finally, I'd like to say, that the Sun, represent's unique particular > meanings, due to it's House lordship. > > If the Sun's the lord of the 10th house, then meaning or quality of career, > is the lesson of our Sun's. > > The Sun, ultimately, represent's our deepest, soul urgings, and desires, > dreams. > > So, knowing what your Sun is up to, helps' us understand our real, and yet, > abstract quality, of life-purpose, or soul development. > > > Hope this helps, a little. > > > Sincerely, > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > PS... ALSO you asked what the relationship is between our Sun's, and Moon's > & Rising Signs... > > If the Sun represent's our karmas, especially related to our Self's, I's, or > ego's, then, our Moon's relate to our emotional, feeling or intuitive > nature. > > And, our Rising sign, relates to our outer, physical nature's, personalitie, > and bodies. > > > > > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b> > vedic astrology > Fri, 06 May 2005 05:27:24 -0000 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] What is the role of sun sign compared to > Ascendant and Moon sign? > > > Respected Gurujis, > > > With my little knowledge, I have come to know that Ascendent > denotes ones all round personality and physical charactersitics and > moon sign shows the mental attitude and temperament. In between this > what is the role of sign sign or what does it signify? To analyse a > person's characteristics, Western people are taking sun sign and we are > taking moon sign. If so, wont one get two different conclusion if the > sun sign and moon sign is different? Can any body help me in on issue? > > > REgards, > Jyothi > > > > > "Where there's a Will, there's a Way!" > Or > Strengthening the Sun! > Now, here's an expression which we've all heard a lot! > > Today, I thought this might be a fun way of looking at the key to personal > change, and self-empowerment. > > Though sometimes, trying 'to will' ourselves, into something new and > improved, feels more like pulling oneself, up, by one's boot straps! > > However, I believe there's a great, grain of truth in this expression. > > It's certainly true, when people don't exhibit any strength of will; > problems, and lack of effectiveness, do dominate. > > During this very special time of the year, when the Sun, and the 'will', are > in their maximum strength, and potential; (in Exalted Sun/Aries)... this > might be a good time, to reflect on this topic. > > In Jyotish as in Western Astrology, the "will", is a reflection of one's > Sun, Self, or self-confidence. > > Though the quality of will, may be due, also, to emotional or Moonish, > considerations, or even any number of dysfunctions, due to functioning > malefics. > > For right now, let's just explore, how we might strengthen our 'Wills', by > learning to strength, our Sun's, alone! > > I also find this important, because the Sun's really such an important, > 'Astrological body'! > > In Jyotish, we tend to forget the importance of the Sun. > > Jyotish, so often, focuses on the Moon, as being soooo, important. > > Unfortunately, the Moon, has no real power! > > It's light, even it's heavenly gravitational force, is a product of the Sun. > > All the Planets, even, pale in comparison to the Sun. > > If you've ever seen one of those Astronomy pictures, comparing the size of > the Sun, to the planets, they all pale, in comparison. > > So, what else does the Sun represent,... > > > > The Sun.... > > > > The Sun represent's the 'I', the Self, the ego, the entire subjective self. > > No wonder the Sun's so important. Sun, also represent's our 'Father', and > his father, and his, and the next, and next....and then, all the way to the > ultimate Father, God-Self. > > Sun, Self, may also reflect Consciousness, Awareness, or being. > > This might, then, be why it's thought, generally to be so difficult to > strengthen the Sun. > > However, in the West, there's a powerful, tradition, of believing that 'one' > can improve oneself, by a sheer act of 'Will'! > > Recent event's in the History of the West, over the last 100 year's does > tend to confirm this believe and possibility. > > Today, there are more billionaires, or successful people, then at any time > in the history of 'Man'. > > In America for example, we believe that any "person can grow up to be > President." > > This attitude seems to have helped in people's abilities to access their > will, and develop themselves, and accomplish their life goals. > > In the East, there is a similar traditon of Self-Development. It even has a > fairly interesting name: "Self-Realization." Though it's generally thought > to be fairly difficult to find the Self, and/or become enlightened, still > there is as least, the Principle of Strengthening one'Self. > > The problem, at least Philosophically, is that the 'self' or even, 'ego', is > that thing, which is not a thing, thought, or behavior. In other words, the > Self, is that which is the basis of all thoughts, and actions. > > So, how do we strengthen that? > > But, there is quite a bit of auxilary evidence that suggests that the Self, > or Sun, might be strengthened, by 'effort', by 'act of will'. > > For those, however, who find it very difficult to make this most abstract, > and subjective, self-improvement, there are some great precednets in Vedic > Science. > > For example, there is the time honored tradition of 'Meditation', for not > only contacting the Self, but through regular experience, then, developing > or unfolding more and more of the Self's potential. > > Recent experience, even, over the last 45 years, has shown, (through > scientific research), that meditation can improve self-confidence, > creativity, even IQ, or Intelligence seems to be able to be strengthened. > > How is this possible? > > > When one sit's down to meditate, and closes the eyes, the natural tendency > of the mind and body, is to settle down. > > Then, picking up a mantra, (in japa meditaiton), one can learn how to > disassociate one'self, from one's normal conscious, and associate kind of > thinking, one thought after another, after another. > > Then, one begin's to experience, thought in an "inward" direction, and > spontaneously, one experience's quieter and quieter level's of thought, > until, the very earliest stage of the thought process, is transcended and > one arrive's at the very source of thought. > > As it turns out this Source of Thought, is a state of unlimited, potential, > awareness, and intelligence. > > Also, as it turns out, with repeated experiences of this very pleasing, > inward experience, one begin's to exhibit more internal wakefulness, and > awareness. > > o So, meditation may be the #1 remedy for strengthening the Sun. > > Other things I do, include: > > o Looking at the specific symbolisms of the Sun's weakness in anyone's > chart, to find the > unique, individual, suggestions that are appropriate for each person. > > For example, Sun in the first house, is indicative of a malefic functioning > Sun. > > The normal, typical explanation is because the Sun, in the first is > represenative, of a kind of selfishness, and as a result, many people > experience the results of this. > > The Jyotish solution, or suggestion I recomend, is for those people, through > an act of will, make a conscious decision to be less selfish. > > Since we have caused our karmas, it's only natural, that we should be able > to change our karmas. > > o Another thing I recomend is reading literature that has a specific > purpose of strengthening the Sun, or Self. > > For example, the Upanishads, one of the many Vedic literature, is all about > Self-Development. > > In the Upanishads, there are these great expressions of the full potential > of the Self. > > Isa Upanishad: > > > > "The Spirit, without moving, is swifter than the mind; > the senses cannot reach him. > He is forever beyond them. > Standing still, he overtakes those that run. > > To the ocean of his being, the spirit of life leads the streams of actions. > > Who sees all beings in his own Self, and his own Self, in all > beings, loses all fear." > > > And finally: > > "When a sage sees this great Unity and his Self has become all beings; > what delusion and what sorrow can ever be near him!" > > > > > All these words are very inspiring and even stirring as to the Self and > Sun's potential in life. > > These and many others, for example, inspired me, in my striving for > experience and development of consciousness through meditation. > > And, when I finally had this experience: "Who sees all beings in his > Self...and his own Self, > in all beings....loses all fear", this was the culmination of my > self-development through meditation. > > Finally,.... developming the Self-Sun, is a very powerful, and significant > activity, because the Sun, I, ego, being at the basis of all thoughts and > actions,...if it can be improved, will be the one thing we can do to > improve, literally, each and every aspect of our live's.... > > > Sincerely, > > > > Mark Kincaid Astrologer > Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved > m.kincaid@m... > 641 472-0000. > > Links > > StudingYourStars/ > > > StudingYourStars > <StudingYourStars? subject=Un> > > Terms of Service > <> . > > > > "Where there's a Will, there's a Way!" > Or > Strengthening the Sun! Now, here's an expression which we've all heard a lot! > > Today, I thought this might be a fun way of looking at the key to personal > change, and self-empowerment. > > Though sometimes, trying 'to will' ourselves, into something new and > improved, feels more like pulling oneself, up, by one's boot straps! > > However, I believe there's a great, grain of truth in this expression. > > It's certainly true, when people don't exhibit any strength of will; > problems, and lack of effectiveness, do dominate. > > During this very special time of the year, when the Sun, and the 'will', are > in their maximum strength, and potential; (in Exalted Sun/Aries)... this > might be a good time, to reflect on this topic. > > In Jyotish as in Western Astrology, the "will", is a reflection of one's > Sun, Self, or self-confidence. > > Though the quality of will, may be due, also, to emotional or Moonish, > considerations, or even any number of dysfunctions, due to functioning > malefics. > > For right now, let's just explore, how we might strengthen our 'Wills', by > learning to strength, our Sun's, alone! > > I also find this important, because the Sun's really such an important, > 'Astrological body'! > > In Jyotish, we tend to forget the importance of the Sun. > > Jyotish, so often, focuses on the Moon, as being soooo, important. > > Unfortunately, the Moon, has no real power! > > It's light, even it's heavenly gravitational force, is a product of the Sun. > > All the Planets, even, pale in comparison to the Sun. > > If you've ever seen one of those Astronomy pictures, comparing the size of > the Sun, to the planets, they all pale, in comparison. > > So, what else does the Sun represent,... > > > The Sun.... > > > The Sun represent's the 'I', the Self, the ego, the entire subjective self. > > No wonder the Sun's so important. Sun, also represent's our 'Father', and > his father, and his, and the next, and next....and then, all the way to the > ultimate Father, God-Self. > > Sun, Self, may also reflect Consciousness, Awareness, or being. > > This might, then, be why it's thought, generally to be so difficult to > strengthen the Sun. > > However, in the West, there's a powerful, tradition, of believing that 'one' > can improve oneself, by a sheer act of 'Will'! > > Recent event's in the History of the West, over the last 100 year's does > tend to confirm this believe and possibility. > > Today, there are more billionaires, or successful people, then at any time > in the history of 'Man'. > > In America for example, we believe that any "person can grow up to be > President." > > This attitude seems to have helped in people's abilities to access their > will, and develop themselves, and accomplish their life goals. > > In the East, there is a similar traditon of Self-Development. It even has a > fairly interesting name: "Self-Realization." Though it's generally thought > to be fairly difficult to find the Self, and/or become enlightened, still > there is as least, the Principle of Strengthening one'Self. > > The problem, at least Philosophically, is that the 'self' or even, 'ego', is > that thing, which is not a thing, thought, or behavior. In other words, the > Self, is that which is the basis of all thoughts, and actions. > > So, how do we strengthen that? > > But, there is quite a bit of auxilary evidence that suggests that the Self, > or Sun, might be strengthened, by 'effort', by 'act of will'. > > For those, however, who find it very difficult to make this most abstract, > and subjective, self-improvement, there are some great precednets in Vedic > Science. > > For example, there is the time honored tradition of 'Meditation', for not > only contacting the Self, but through regular experience, then, developing > or unfolding more and more of the Self's potential. > > Recent experience, even, over the last 45 years, has shown, (through > scientific research), that meditation can improve self-confidence, > creativity, even IQ, or Intelligence seems to be able to be strengthened. > > How is this possible? > > > When one sit's down to meditate, and closes the eyes, the natural tendency > of the mind and body, is to settle down. > > Then, picking up a mantra, (in japa meditaiton), one can learn how to > disassociate one'self, from one's normal conscious, and associate kind of > thinking, one thought after another, after another. > > Then, one begin's to experience, thought in an "inward" direction, and > spontaneously, one experience's quieter and quieter level's of thought, > until, the very earliest stage of the thought process, is transcended and > one arrive's at the very source of thought. > > As it turns out this Source of Thought, is a state of unlimited, potential, > awareness, and intelligence. > > Also, as it turns out, with repeated experiences of this very pleasing, > inward experience, one begin's to exhibit more internal wakefulness, and > awareness. > > o So, meditation may be the #1 remedy for strengthening the Sun. > > Other things I do, include: > > o Looking at the specific symbolisms of the Sun's weakness in anyone's > chart, to find the > unique, individual, suggestions that are appropriate for each person. > > For example, Sun in the first house, is indicative of a malefic functioning > Sun. > > The normal, typical explanation is because the Sun, in the first is > represenative, of a kind of selfishness, and as a result, many people > experience the results of this. > > The Jyotish solution, or suggestion I recomend, is for those people, through > an act of will, make a conscious decision to be less selfish. > > Since we have caused our karmas, it's only natural, that we should be able > to change our karmas. > > o Another thing I recomend is reading literature that has a specific > purpose of strengthening the Sun, or Self. > > For example, the Upanishads, one of the many Vedic literature, is all about > Self-Development. > > In the Upanishads, there are these great expressions of the full potential > of the Self. > > Isa Upanishad: > > > "The Spirit, without moving, is swifter than the mind; > the senses cannot reach him. > He is forever beyond them. > Standing still, he overtakes those that run. > > To the ocean of his being, the spirit of life leads the streams of actions. > > Who sees all beings in his own Self, and his own Self, in all > beings, loses all fear." > > > And finally: > > "When a sage sees this great Unity and his Self has become all beings; > what delusion and what sorrow can ever be near him!" > > > > All these words are very inspiring and even stirring as to the Self and > Sun's potential in life. > > These and many others, for example, inspired me, in my striving for > experience and development of consciousness through meditation. > > And, when I finally had this experience: "Who sees all beings in his > Self...and his own Self, > in all beings....loses all fear", this was the culmination of my > self-development through meditation. > > Finally,.... developming the Self-Sun, is a very powerful, and significant > activity, because the Sun, I, ego, being at the basis of all thoughts and > actions,...if it can be improved, will be the one thing we can do to > improve, literally, each and every aspect of our live's.... > > > Sincerely, > > > > Mark Kincaid Astrologer > Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved > m.kincaid@m... > 641 472-0000. 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Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hi Lakshmi, It was quite nice to know that you are a technical writer; I am also a technical writer, and I am working with mid-sized software company in Toronto (Canada); back in India, I was a working with The Times of India, Pune edition as a senior reporter....well, now I would start reading your post more closely cheers Manoj --- jyothi_lakshmi_b <jyothi_lakshmi_b wrote: > Dear Markji, > > Thank you for providing a detailed > information on sun. can I > ask you some more questions related to this topic? > 1. While all planets just reflect the light of sun, > why is it said > that planets dont have any strength unless MOON is > powerful? (I have > read that planets are incapable of providing good > results if MOon is > not powerful. > > 2. Why is sun considered as a malefic if it helps > spiritual progress? > 3. Why is Sun considered as a separative planet? > > Can I share with you an interesting incident that > happened very > recently? > > A week before, I attended an interview for Tech > Writer at one of the > very reputed MNC in Chennai, India. Since in my > resume I had shown > Philosophy, Astrology, physics etc as my interested > fields, the > interview panel got interested and asked so many > questions related to > that,( like do i believe astro is a science , Whats > my opinion of > Osho etc( I had said I read Osho, Jiddu ...). After > the Technical > Test & Interview, the panel were very much in doubt > whether I was > genuinely speaking about all those thing or just > showing off. So for > me they kept one more written test saying that they > just wanted to > check my writing skills. And I was shocked to find > the questions they > asked. They were > 1. Prove that astrology is science (considering > astrology as a > predictive science)in not less than 500 words. > 2. Compare & contrast the philosophies of Osho & > Jiddu krishnamurthy. > > i never thought theyll put these questions to test > my writing > skills!!! > I wrote so convincingly that they understood I am > genuinely intersted > in these subjects. > > After clearing all the rounds of interview came the > Vicepresident > level interview, and here also he focussed on my > interest in astrology > (Everybody was very curiuos to know being a Physics > student what > attracted me to astrology!!!). > The VP was an extremely gentle and jovial person, > he asked me to > guess his zodiac sign. I said it is difficult to > tell ones sign just > by knowing a person for a few minutes(atleast for me > ). He pressed me > to tell and said that " My daughter is also > interested in all these > things , but she always says that I dont show the > nature of my zodiac > sign and she is very much confused about it. > Everybodys nature > matches with their zodiac sign nature except yours". > > On hearing this I said, in that case you may be > GEMINI". And VP burst > out into a laughter saying that " Ofcourse I am a > Gemini"!!!!! > > What made me say that was i knew GEminians always > confuse others by > their nature( having dual nature right?). If a > daughter who best > knows her father, is confused about the sign what > else can be the > sign. That was what made me say so. But that was > only a lucky guess, > considering my little knowledge in astrology. > > But when i reached home I thought about that, What > exactly can show > ones nature - Ascendant? Sun sign? or Moon sign? > This made me post > the question in the group. > > VP didnt leave me alone u know, he asked "What do > you think, acc. to > yur horoscope will u get into this company or not? > And i said" I > donno if ill get into this company , but Iam sure to > get a good job > by october". And last week, I joined another CMM > level 5 ccompany as > a Tech writer and Im writing this mail from my new > company!!! > (All my answers were just out of intuition and NOT > AT ALL DUE TO MY > KNOWLEDGE IN ASTROLOGY AS I AM JUST A STUDENT IN THE > SUBJECT!!) > > Any way ,this interview was the most interesting > interview I have > ever attended in my life!!! > > > Regards, > Jyothi. > > vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid > <m.kincaid@m...> > wrote: > > Respected Gurujis, With my little knowledge, I > have come to know > that > > Ascendent > > denotes ones all round personality and physical > charactersitics and > > moon sign shows the mental attitude and > temperament. In between this > > what is the role of sign sign or what does it > signify? > > > > > > Dear Jyothi: > > > > Even though we don't hear that much, sometimes, > from Jyotish, > regarding the > > Sun, obviously, it's very important. > > > > We only have to look at the comparitive sizes of > the Sun, vs. the > planets, > > or Moon, to see, the difference. > > > > But, perhaps, the emphasise, is more due, to the > fact, that the > Moon, more > > 'practically', maybe, represent's where our > conscious mind's are and > > functioning, in the World, in this life... > > > > Well, for whatever reason, and especially for > those who perhaps, > have a more > > abstract side to them, the Sun, is as important. > > > > The Sun, represent's the 'I', or Self, and is > therefore the primary > > significator of self-confidence, self-esteem, and > ability of change, > > transformation and will. > > > > See my attached, recent article on the Sun, for > more info. > > > > The Sun, however, in it's different signs, like > the Moon, > represent's a > > quality or characteristic, > > of 'I', or self-nature. > > > > Arians, are different then, Geminis. > > > > Taurian, Sun's are different then, Cancer. > > > > To me, the Sun represent's all the different > flavors of the Self, > that we > > can live. > > > > None of them is necessarily better or worse, > though obviously > Jyotish feel's > > certain sign, placements are also indicative of > more or less self- > health. > > > > For example, the Sun in Aries, being called > Exalted, represent's > one of the > > situations, when the Sun-self, is the most strong. > === message truncated === Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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