Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Dear members, Can anybody please help me clarify some points regarding vargothama? My doubts are: 1.) Does vargothamamsa condition also apply to Rahu & Ketu? 2.) It is stated that if a planet in a same sign and, thus, being vargottama is very powerful. It is compared are being in its own sign. Also, if the planet is in its fallen sign and also being vargottama, the debilitating effect is intensified, and thus, worse off. But is this condition only applicable to Rasi chart? That is, if the fallen condition exists only in navansa chart, will this worsen condition also verify? Thank you very much for your kind reply. Kind regards, Roy Kamiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hare Krishna Dear Roy, ANy planet that is in the same sign in rasi and navamsa is called vargottama. If a planet is exalted in rasi and navamsa it is very good and powerful. If a planet is debilitate or weak in a sign in both rasi and navamsa is is twice as bad,weak.Depending on what it is doing in the other charts also makes a big difference as well.Navamsa is more important than Rasi. If a planet is exalted in rasi and yet debilitated in navamsa it causes cancellation of good effects.AND vice versa. Further than that you can check to see how many times a planet is in its own,exalted,sign in the other divisional charts. In BPHS yu can read about the different grouping of divisions. Shadvarga = Using six divisions(varga charts), Dasa Varga =10 division scheme lso , most commonly used division is the Dasa varga scheme with these divisions rasi,hora,drekkana,saptamsa,navamsa,dasamsa,dwadasamsa,shodasamsa,trim samsa,shashtyamsa. for example if a planet has attained his exaltation,own,moolatrikona position in 4 out of the dasa varga scheme it is known as "Gopuramsa". If a planet is involved in a raja yoga ,etc in rasi chart but all has also attained the same in many more varga charts ie D-3,D-10,etc etc/ then you can assume that the raja yoga will fructify. If that is the only time the planet is exlated is in the rasi it is not so strong to give results. You can read all about this in SJCs Varga Chakra book- a compilation of lectures about all the Varga divisions and their results etc given at the SJC Hyderabad conference. If you are in USA you can purchase from me for $13.plus 4 dollars shipping. All the best. Lakshmi vedic astrology, "nop61661" <nutrideias@n...> wrote: > Dear members, > > Can anybody please help me clarify some points regarding vargothama? > My > doubts are: > > 1.) Does vargothamamsa condition also apply to Rahu & Ketu? > > 2.) It is stated that if a planet in a same sign and, thus, being > vargottama > is very powerful. It is compared are being in its own sign. Also, if > the > planet is in its fallen sign and also being vargottama, the > debilitating > effect is intensified, and thus, worse off. But is this condition only > applicable to Rasi chart? That is, if the fallen condition exists > only in > navansa chart, will this worsen condition also verify? > > Thank you very much for your kind reply. > Kind regards, > > Roy Kamiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Roy, Lakshmi has already given good insight into additional strength or weakness of the Vergottama planet giving greater emphasis to its placement in D9. Let me share what Sanjayji said in one of the lectures he took in Narasimha's series of classes, class no. 14. He spoke about Atmka Karka. However while responding to a question related to Vergottama AK, he elaborated on the concept a little more. My understanding of what he said is as follows. He described Vergottama planets as gift of God, except when it is debilitated/gandanta. These are some of the characteristics that he described for different planets. Mercury = good teacher, learner, speaker. Mars = good soldier, general. Jupiter = good priest, monk, banker (ability to handle finance), ability to handle social and religious tasks. Moon = compassion, society, group working, taking care. Sun = administrator, Initiator. Rahu = Research. Ketu = very intelligent, intuition (headless), very sharp 6th sense. Saturn = ability to work hard and do any kind of work. I am not sure if he spoke about Venus specifically. However it standard characteristics like artistic abilities, managerial abilities etc in strength can be easily attributed to natives having Venus vergottama. Vergottama AK shows unfinished work from last birth and the abilities given from last birth. Signs progressed by planet from D1 rashi to D9 rashi will show the significations that will be affected during the dasa of the planet. For vergottama planets the progression is 1 and hence the native gets affected himself. Debilitated or Gandanta vergottama were not good because bad effects of such a planet would impact the native himself! I request gurus to correct me if I have made an error. Kind regards Ramesh vedic astrology[vedic astrology]On Behalf Of lakshmikaryMonday, May 16, 2005 12:28 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: VargothamamsaHare KrishnaDear Roy,ANy planet that is in the same sign in rasi and navamsa is calledvargottama.If a planet is exalted in rasi and navamsa it is very good andpowerful.If a planet is debilitate or weak in a sign in both rasi and navamsais is twice as bad,weak.Depending on what it is doing in the othercharts also makes a big difference as well.Navamsa is more importantthan Rasi.If a planet is exalted in rasi and yet debilitated in navamsa itcauses cancellation of good effects.AND vice versa.Further than that you can check to see how many times a planet isin its own,exalted,sign in the other divisional charts.In BPHS yu can read about the different grouping of divisions.Shadvarga = Using six divisions(varga charts), Dasa Varga =10division schemelso , most commonly used division is the Dasa varga scheme with thesedivisionsrasi,hora,drekkana,saptamsa,navamsa,dasamsa,dwadasamsa,shodasamsa,trimsamsa,shashtyamsa.for example if a planet has attained his exaltation,own,moolatrikonaposition in 4 out of the dasa varga scheme it is knownas "Gopuramsa".If a planet is involved in a raja yoga ,etc in rasi chart but allhas also attained the same in many more varga charts ie D-3,D-10,etcetc/ then you can assume that the raja yoga will fructify.If that is the only time the planet is exlated is in the rasi it isnot so strong to give results.You can read all about this in SJCs Varga Chakra book- a compilationof lectures about all the Varga divisions and their results etc givenat the SJC Hyderabad conference.If you are in USA you can purchase from me for $13.plus 4 dollarsshipping.All the best.Lakshmi--- In vedic astrology, "nop61661" <nutrideias@n...>wrote:> Dear members,>> Can anybody please help me clarify some points regardingvargothama?> My> doubts are:>> 1.) Does vargothamamsa condition also apply to Rahu & Ketu?>> 2.) It is stated that if a planet in a same sign and, thus, being> vargottama> is very powerful. It is compared are being in its own sign. Also,if> the> planet is in its fallen sign and also being vargottama, the> debilitating> effect is intensified, and thus, worse off. But is this conditiononly> applicable to Rasi chart? That is, if the fallen condition exists> only in> navansa chart, will this worsen condition also verify?>> Thank you very much for your kind reply.> Kind regards,>> Roy Kamiki------------------------ Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->Would you Help a Child in need?It is easier than you think.Click Here to meet a Child you can help.http://us.click./sTR6_D/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM--~->Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Links<*> vedic astrology/<*> To from this group, send an email to: vedic astrology<*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Namaste, Vargottama is considered a source of strength. Debilted in rashi and navansha imroves the strength. Looks like there is some difference of opinion among the jyotishis. To me vargattama is a source of strength. .... On 5/16/05, Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Roy, > > > > Lakshmi has already given good insight into additional strength or weakness > of the Vergottama planet giving greater emphasis to its placement in D9. Let > me share what Sanjayji said in one of the lectures he took in Narasimha's > series of classes, class no. 14. He spoke about Atmka Karka. However while > responding to a question related to Vergottama AK, he elaborated on the > concept a little more. My understanding of what he said is as follows. > > > He described Vergottama planets as gift of God, except when it is > debilitated/gandanta. > These are some of the characteristics that he described for different > planets. Mercury = good teacher, learner, speaker. Mars = good soldier, > general. Jupiter = good priest, monk, banker (ability to handle finance), > ability to handle social and religious tasks. Moon = compassion, society, > group working, taking care. Sun = administrator, Initiator. Rahu = Research. > Ketu = very intelligent, intuition (headless), very sharp 6th sense. Saturn > = ability to work hard and do any kind of work. I am not sure if he spoke > about Venus specifically. However it standard characteristics like artistic > abilities, managerial abilities etc in strength can be easily attributed to > natives having Venus vergottama. > Vergottama AK shows unfinished work from last birth and the abilities given > from last birth. > Signs progressed by planet from D1 rashi to D9 rashi will show the > significations that will be affected during the dasa of the planet. For > vergottama planets the progression is 1 and hence the native gets affected > himself. Debilitated or Gandanta vergottama were not good because bad > effects of such a planet would impact the native himself! > > I request gurus to correct me if I have made an error. > > > > Kind regards > > Ramesh > > > > > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology]On Behalf Of > lakshmikary > Monday, May 16, 2005 12:28 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Vargothamamsa > > > Hare Krishna > Dear Roy, > ANy planet that is in the same sign in rasi and navamsa is called > vargottama. > If a planet is exalted in rasi and navamsa it is very good and > powerful. > If a planet is debilitate or weak in a sign in both rasi and navamsa > is is twice as bad,weak.Depending on what it is doing in the other > charts also makes a big difference as well.Navamsa is more important > than Rasi. > > If a planet is exalted in rasi and yet debilitated in navamsa it > causes cancellation of good effects.AND vice versa. > Further than that you can check to see how many times a planet is > in its own,exalted,sign in the other divisional charts. > In BPHS yu can read about the different grouping of divisions. > Shadvarga = Using six divisions(varga charts), Dasa Varga =10 > division scheme > lso , most commonly used division is the Dasa varga scheme with these > divisions > rasi,hora,drekkana,saptamsa,navamsa,dasamsa,dwadasamsa,shodasamsa,trim > samsa,shashtyamsa. > for example if a planet has attained his exaltation,own,moolatrikona > position in 4 out of the dasa varga scheme it is known > as "Gopuramsa". > If a planet is involved in a raja yoga ,etc in rasi chart but all > has also attained the same in many more varga charts ie D-3,D-10,etc > etc/ then you can assume that the raja yoga will fructify. > If that is the only time the planet is exlated is in the rasi it is > not so strong to give results. > You can read all about this in SJCs Varga Chakra book- a compilation > of lectures about all the Varga divisions and their results etc given > at the SJC Hyderabad conference. > If you are in USA you can purchase from me for $13.plus 4 dollars > shipping. > All the best. > Lakshmi > > > vedic astrology, "nop61661" <nutrideias@n...> > wrote: > > Dear members, > > > > Can anybody please help me clarify some points regarding > vargothama? > > My > > doubts are: > > > > 1.) Does vargothamamsa condition also apply to Rahu & Ketu? > > > > 2.) It is stated that if a planet in a same sign and, thus, being > > vargottama > > is very powerful. It is compared are being in its own sign. Also, > if > > the > > planet is in its fallen sign and also being vargottama, the > > debilitating > > effect is intensified, and thus, worse off. But is this condition > only > > applicable to Rasi chart? That is, if the fallen condition exists > > only in > > navansa chart, will this worsen condition also verify? > > > > Thank you very much for your kind reply. > > Kind regards, > > > > Roy Kamiki > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Vargotthama is deferent from vargotthmamsa regards babuluPanditji <navagraha > wrote: Namaste,Vargottama is considered a source of strength. Debilted in rashi andnavansha imroves the strength. Looks like there is some difference ofopinion among the jyotishis. To me vargattama is a source of strength....On 5/16/05, Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote:> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Roy,> > > > Lakshmi has already given good insight into additional strength or weakness> of the Vergottama planet giving greater emphasis to its placement in D9. Let> me share what Sanjayji said in one of the lectures he took in Narasimha's> series of classes, class no. 14. He spoke about Atmka Karka. However while> responding to a question related to Vergottama AK, he elaborated on the> concept a little more. My understanding of what he said is as follows.> > > He described Vergottama planets as gift of God, except when it is> debilitated/gandanta. > These are some of the characteristics that he described for different> planets. Mercury = good teacher, learner, speaker. Mars = good soldier,> general. Jupiter = good priest, monk, banker (ability to handle finance),> ability to handle social and religious tasks. Moon = compassion, society,> group working, taking care. Sun = administrator, Initiator. Rahu = Research.> Ketu = very intelligent, intuition (headless), very sharp 6th sense. Saturn> = ability to work hard and do any kind of work. I am not sure if he spoke> about Venus specifically. However it standard characteristics like artistic> abilities, managerial abilities etc in strength can be easily attributed to> natives having Venus vergottama. > Vergottama AK shows unfinished work from last birth and the abilities given> from last birth. > Signs progressed by planet from D1 rashi to D9 rashi will show the> significations that will be affected during the dasa of the planet. For> vergottama planets the progression is 1 and hence the native gets affected> himself. Debilitated or Gandanta vergottama were not good because bad> effects of such a planet would impact the native himself! > > I request gurus to correct me if I have made an error.> > > > Kind regards> > Ramesh> > > > > > vedic astrology> [vedic astrology]On Behalf Of> lakshmikary> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:28 PM> vedic astrology> Subject: [vedic astrology] Re: Vargothamamsa> > > Hare Krishna> Dear Roy,> ANy planet that is in the same sign in rasi and navamsa is called> vargottama.> If a planet is exalted in rasi and navamsa it is very good and> powerful.> If a planet is debilitate or weak in a sign in both rasi and navamsa> is is twice as bad,weak.Depending on what it is doing in the other> charts also makes a big difference as well.Navamsa is more important> than Rasi.> > If a planet is exalted in rasi and yet debilitated in navamsa it> causes cancellation of good effects.AND vice versa.> Further than that you can check to see how many times a planet is> in its own,exalted,sign in the other divisional charts.> In BPHS yu can read about the different grouping of divisions.> Shadvarga = Using six divisions(varga charts), Dasa Varga =10> division scheme> lso , most commonly used division is the Dasa varga scheme with these> divisions> rasi,hora,drekkana,saptamsa,navamsa,dasamsa,dwadasamsa,shodasamsa,trim> samsa,shashtyamsa.> for example if a planet has attained his exaltation,own,moolatrikona> position in 4 out of the dasa varga scheme it is known> as "Gopuramsa".> If a planet is involved in a raja yoga ,etc in rasi chart but all> has also attained the same in many more varga charts ie D-3,D-10,etc> etc/ then you can assume that the raja yoga will fructify.> If that is the only time the planet is exlated is in the rasi it is> not so strong to give results.> You can read all about this in SJCs Varga Chakra book- a compilation> of lectures about all the Varga divisions and their results etc given> at the SJC Hyderabad conference.> If you are in USA you can purchase from me for $13.plus 4 dollars> shipping.> All the best.> Lakshmi> > > --- In vedic astrology, "nop61661" <nutrideias@n...>> wrote:> > Dear members,> >> > Can anybody please help me clarify some points regarding> vargothama?> > My> > doubts are:> >> > 1.) Does vargothamamsa condition also apply to Rahu & Ketu?> >> > 2.) It is stated that if a planet in a same sign and, thus, being> > vargottama> > is very powerful. It is compared are being in its own sign. Also,> if> > the> > planet is in its fallen sign and also being vargottama, the> > debilitating> > effect is intensified, and thus, worse off. But is this condition> only> > applicable to Rasi chart? That is, if the fallen condition exists> > only in> > navansa chart, will this worsen condition also verify?> >> > Thank you very much for your kind reply.> > Kind regards,> >> > Roy Kamiki> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info:> vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||> Links> > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info:> vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... 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