|Sri Varaha| Thoughts on Medha Dakshinamurthy

May 22, 2005

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Narasimha,

Namaste. That's good one.

The word Medha means retentiveness (of memory)/

retentive faculty. The Lord Siva is called as

Smarahara. The word Smara connotes remembrance as well

as the God of Love/Kama while the word Hara connotes

removing/taking away. The power of Medha sustained by

the tatva Jala, is evaporated by Agni at the time of

death. The Lord Maheswara applies the basma/ashes as

an act of taking back that super superior power and

returns it back as agni. Mars representing this agni

directs the jeeva to Mrityu loka. The deathless yogis

who are blessed with trikalagyana are all in line with

the illumination of this Medha.

The turyamsa which you talked about indeed has deeper

meanings. The four divisions of the zodiac can be

broadly classified as agni trikonas, earthy trikonas,

vayu trikonas and jala trikonas. The four manasa

putras are linked to the four levels of consciousness

known as jagrat, swapna, sushupti and turya. Agni

trikonas relate to jagrat state(Sanaka), earthy

trikonas relate to state of swapna(Sanatana), vayu

trikona relates to Nidra/sushupti(Kumara) and jala

trikonas relate to Turya(Sananda). The word bhagya

means fate/destiny/ luck/fortune. i am awaiting to

hear from you in this regard Narasimha.

In Tirussur in Kerala there is temple for

'vadakkunatha'. Here Vadakku means North and Natha

means the Lord. That means Lord from the North meaning

Pasupatinath. It is said that this temple owes its

existence on account of Adishankara. i shall tell you

the story in brief. Mother Aryamba and Father Sivaguru

did not have any issue for a long time. They went

around on a pilgrimage and reached the holy kshetra of

Pasupatinath in Nepal. There the Mother Aryamba had a

dream of the Lord asking her to perform anabhisheka

with a ghee which does not melt for progeny. She told

this dream to her husband Sivaguru who told her that

there was some message behind this dream. They bought

a cow and offered prayers to Gopala. Having milked the

cow they processed the same and brought out the ghee.

With prayers in their hearts they poured this ghee on

the Lord with the firm faith that the Lord would

freeze it. The Lord pleased with their faith and

devotion made the ghee freeze on its own and blessed

them with the birth of famous Shankara. They ivited

the Lord to come to South and when the Lord came they

constructed a temple and named the Moorthy as

'Vaddukunathar'.

i wanted to mention about this 'uttaramurthy' also.

Here there is a small message. What is the need to

worship the Lord with a frozen ghee? The

prithivi/earth yields grass which is consumed by the

Cow. This is converted into blood which becomes the

milk. This milk is converted into curd which then is

converted into butter which ultimately becomes ghee.

This ghee is nothing but the 7th transformed state of

the original prithvi.

If we observe closely we understand that Aryambal

actually transferred her frozen state of putra bhagya

into a Sivalinga and offered her sincere prayer which

brought out the fertile mercy of the Lord leading to

the birth of the famous son Shankara.

Sorry for the length.

Warm Regards.

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

--- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:

> Pranaam Sanjay and Rama Narayanan,

>

> That was an illuminating discussion. The discussion

> on Kala Chakra is very interesting!

>

> I just want to add my 2 cents regarding the meaning

> of "Medha Dakshinamurthy".

>

> Dakshina not only means "south" as you are

> discussing, but it means "right" (opposite of

> "left") too. Of course, when one faces east, one's

> right hand side is in the southern direction and

> that may be why the right hand is called "dakshina

> hastam".

>

> Medha means intelligence. What is the seat of

> intelligence? Normally we consider the brain as the

> seat of intelligence. Dakshinaamurthy is

> dakshina+amurthy. Amurthy means a formless entity.

> So "Medha Dakshinaamurthy" may be roughly translated

> as "the formless entity in the right brain". What is

> it?

>

> If we study the basics of yoga and modern

> neuroscience, this can become clearer.

>

> The right half of the brain controls the left part

> of the nervous system and the left half of the brain

> controls the right part of the nervous system. There

> is a cross over in the medulla. Though Lord Medha

> Dakshinamurthy's name is associated with the right

> side (dakshina), he is depicted as sitting with his

> left (vaama) leg up.

>

> Modern science says that structured logic is

> performed by the left half of the brain and

> inutition and unstructured logic is performed in the

> right half of brain. That may be why left-handed

> cricket batsmen tend to look more free-flowing,

> intuitive and elegant (e.g. David Gower, WV Raman,

> Brian Lara, Sourav Ganguly etc). The nervous

> reflexes associated with left part of the body (and

> hence the right brain) are used by them more

> pre-dominently and hence the reflexes are more

> intuitive.

>

> In Yoga, the nervous channels of Pingala and Ida are

> associated with fire and water (Sun and Moon). In

> terms of modern terminology, they correspond to

> sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems. One

> system plays a stimulating (fiery) role and the

> other plays a soothing (watery) role. Structured

> logic is fiery in nature and unstructured intuition

> is watery in nature.

>

> Medha Dakshinamurthy is depicted as a guru who

> teaches without speaking a word. He sits in jnaana

> mudra in silence and knowledge comes automatically.

> This seems to point at the intuition within us,

> which taps to the universal source of knowledge!

> This intuition that contributes to unstructured

> learning is "the formless entity of the right brain"

> and it gives us knowledge thru silence. Medha

> Dakshinamurthy is stationed in our right brain as

> the formless entity called intuition and teaches us

> everything.

>

> Lord Medha Dakshinamurthy is often portrayed as

> teaching to four youthful sons of Brahma, who

> epitomize spiritual purity - Sanaka, Sananda,

> Sanatana and Sanatkumara. These are the rulers of

> the four chaturthamsas of signs (like dasa

> dikpalakas for dasamsa). I have always felt that

> Chaturthamsa (D-4) is not used to its fullest by

> most astrologers. Chaturthamsa shows "bhagya"

> according to Parasara. If one restricts "bhagya" to

> the residence, one cannot understand why

> chaturthamsas are ruled by these four Kumaras.

> Anyway, I will write my thoughts on what these four

> Kumaras symbolize and also the chaturthamsa links in

> an email later.

>

> One thought before I finish. Many beejaksharas (seed

> syllables) used in mantras have rakaara or lakaara,

> which activate/feed the sympathetic and

> parasympathetic channels. Ra is fiery and La is

> watery. For example, "Kreem" and "Kleem" have

> totally different purposes, though they are very

> similar. Similarly, "Shreem" and "Shleem" have

> totally different purposes. Ancient Hindu sages and

> Yogis carefully studied and chronicled the impact of

> various sounds on various subtle energy channels.

> Today, people look at mantra sastra as some kind of

> magic that helps one fulfil cheap material desires

> and they forget the most essential basics of mantra

> sastra. The ultimate purpose of mantra and tantra is

> to control oneself and rise spiritually.

>

> Let me end this rather long-winding rambling with a

> beejakshara that can activate the right brain. Try

> meditating on the beeja "dhleem" in jnaana mudra for

> a few hours and you'll see the difference!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

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>

> varahamihira, "Sanjay Rath"

> <guruji@s...> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Ram Narayan

> There are some concepts we need to be clear about

> first. I am adding

> comments below your mail.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com,

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>

> rama narayanan [ <sree88ganesha>

> sree88ganesha]

> Friday, May 20, 2005 8:38 AM

> varahamihira

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: My shloka

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Sanjay, Visti, Hari & Prabhakaran,

>

> Namaste. Please refer the previous mail in

> connection with Ista and Mantra.

> Visti had a question about usage of Mantra

> addressing Kartikeya as Ista.

> Sanjay had stated that he preferred Ista to be

> Sowmya and that if Kartikeya

> Mantra is to be given, then an additional beeja

> relating to removal of

> poison may be added.

>

> Now we see a mail coming up in the form of a

> 'Dakshinamoorthy Shloka' by

> Narasimha(Mars). i was wondering the way the

> Almighty carefully takes up

> each wave of vibration and strokes it

> affectionately!

>

> Mars is extremely comfortable in South/dakshin.

> Makara is the exaltation

> sthana of Mars where dakshinayana ends and

> uttarayana begins. Makara is the

> kshetra where Guru expresses himself through Mars.

> Mars reminds me of

> Dakshinamoorthy. You may feel as to why Yama should

> be linked to

> Dakshinamoorthy! Yama the controller is

> dharmaswaroopi. Gyana means complete

> transformation(8th house related activity -

> Vimsamsa).

>

> <<Rath: The Kalachakra directions are based on *who

> blocks what* or on *who

> controls what*. Thats what Kala is all about. The NE

> direction has the

> digbala of Jupiterwhereas Rahu sits in the NE

> doorway in the Kalachakra. So

> naturally Rahu's job is to block the access or path

> to Guru. Similarly Mars

> has the digbala or fighting and killing strength

> (Mrityu is the son of Mars)

> in the southern direction and the God of Peace

> Jupiter/Guru has the power to

> block or control this destruction and is made to sit

> in the southern

> direction. This powerful form of the Guru that

> blocks death and destruction

> is Dakshinamurthy and this is not Mars but Jupiter.

>

> Yama is not linked to Dakshinamurthy in any way to

> the best of my knowledge.

> Yama is the God of death and is linked to Saturn and

> as you have pointed out

> this direction is also linked to the sign Capricorn

> which ruled burial

> grounds and burning ghats for dead bodies. Hence

> Yama is linked to southern

> direction due to the *sign* Capricorn which rules

> the places for the dead.

> Similarly Indra the king of the Gods sits in the

> eastern

=== message truncated ===

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May 23, 2005

Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

Just one thought in your post to Sri Narasimha. Turiya is a state of

being or realization and it cannot be related to the tatvas.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

vedic astrology, rama narayanan

<sree88ganesha> wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Namaste. That's good one.

>

> The word Medha means retentiveness (of memory)/

> retentive faculty. The Lord Siva is called as

> Smarahara. The word Smara connotes remembrance as well

> as the God of Love/Kama while the word Hara connotes

> removing/taking away. The power of Medha sustained by

> the tatva Jala, is evaporated by Agni at the time of

> death. The Lord Maheswara applies the basma/ashes as

> an act of taking back that super superior power and

> returns it back as agni. Mars representing this agni

> directs the jeeva to Mrityu loka. The deathless yogis

> who are blessed with trikalagyana are all in line with

> the illumination of this Medha.

>

> The turyamsa which you talked about indeed has deeper

> meanings. The four divisions of the zodiac can be

> broadly classified as agni trikonas, earthy trikonas,

> vayu trikonas and jala trikonas. The four manasa

> putras are linked to the four levels of consciousness

> known as jagrat, swapna, sushupti and turya. Agni

> trikonas relate to jagrat state(Sanaka), earthy

> trikonas relate to state of swapna(Sanatana), vayu

> trikona relates to Nidra/sushupti(Kumara) and jala

> trikonas relate to Turya(Sananda). The word bhagya

> means fate/destiny/ luck/fortune. i am awaiting to

> hear from you in this regard Narasimha.

>

> In Tirussur in Kerala there is temple for

> 'vadakkunatha'. Here Vadakku means North and Natha

> means the Lord. That means Lord from the North meaning

> Pasupatinath. It is said that this temple owes its

> existence on account of Adishankara. i shall tell you

> the story in brief. Mother Aryamba and Father Sivaguru

> did not have any issue for a long time. They went

> around on a pilgrimage and reached the holy kshetra of

> Pasupatinath in Nepal. There the Mother Aryamba had a

> dream of the Lord asking her to perform anabhisheka

> with a ghee which does not melt for progeny. She told

> this dream to her husband Sivaguru who told her that

> there was some message behind this dream. They bought

> a cow and offered prayers to Gopala. Having milked the

> cow they processed the same and brought out the ghee.

> With prayers in their hearts they poured this ghee on

> the Lord with the firm faith that the Lord would

> freeze it. The Lord pleased with their faith and

> devotion made the ghee freeze on its own and blessed

> them with the birth of famous Shankara. They ivited

> the Lord to come to South and when the Lord came they

> constructed a temple and named the Moorthy as

> 'Vaddukunathar'.

>

> i wanted to mention about this 'uttaramurthy' also.

> Here there is a small message. What is the need to

> worship the Lord with a frozen ghee? The

> prithivi/earth yields grass which is consumed by the

> Cow. This is converted into blood which becomes the

> milk. This milk is converted into curd which then is

> converted into butter which ultimately becomes ghee.

> This ghee is nothing but the 7th transformed state of

> the original prithvi.

>

> If we observe closely we understand that Aryambal

> actually transferred her frozen state of putra bhagya

> into a Sivalinga and offered her sincere prayer which

> brought out the fertile mercy of the Lord leading to

> the birth of the famous son Shankara.

>

> Sorry for the length.

>

> Warm Regards.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> > Pranaam Sanjay and Rama Narayanan,

> >

> > That was an illuminating discussion. The discussion

> > on Kala Chakra is very interesting!

> >

> > I just want to add my 2 cents regarding the meaning

> > of "Medha Dakshinamurthy".

> >

> > Dakshina not only means "south" as you are

> > discussing, but it means "right" (opposite of

> > "left") too. Of course, when one faces east, one's

> > right hand side is in the southern direction and

> > that may be why the right hand is called "dakshina

> > hastam".

> >

> > Medha means intelligence. What is the seat of

> > intelligence? Normally we consider the brain as the

> > seat of intelligence. Dakshinaamurthy is

> > dakshina+amurthy. Amurthy means a formless entity.

> > So "Medha Dakshinaamurthy" may be roughly translated

> > as "the formless entity in the right brain". What is

> > it?

> >

> > If we study the basics of yoga and modern

> > neuroscience, this can become clearer.

> >

> > The right half of the brain controls the left part

> > of the nervous system and the left half of the brain

> > controls the right part of the nervous system. There

> > is a cross over in the medulla. Though Lord Medha

> > Dakshinamurthy's name is associated with the right

> > side (dakshina), he is depicted as sitting with his

> > left (vaama) leg up.

> >

> > Modern science says that structured logic is

> > performed by the left half of the brain and

> > inutition and unstructured logic is performed in the

> > right half of brain. That may be why left-handed

> > cricket batsmen tend to look more free-flowing,

> > intuitive and elegant (e.g. David Gower, WV Raman,

> > Brian Lara, Sourav Ganguly etc). The nervous

> > reflexes associated with left part of the body (and

> > hence the right brain) are used by them more

> > pre-dominently and hence the reflexes are more

> > intuitive.

> >

> > In Yoga, the nervous channels of Pingala and Ida are

> > associated with fire and water (Sun and Moon). In

> > terms of modern terminology, they correspond to

> > sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems. One

> > system plays a stimulating (fiery) role and the

> > other plays a soothing (watery) role. Structured

> > logic is fiery in nature and unstructured intuition

> > is watery in nature.

> >

> > Medha Dakshinamurthy is depicted as a guru who

> > teaches without speaking a word. He sits in jnaana

> > mudra in silence and knowledge comes automatically.

> > This seems to point at the intuition within us,

> > which taps to the universal source of knowledge!

> > This intuition that contributes to unstructured

> > learning is "the formless entity of the right brain"

> > and it gives us knowledge thru silence. Medha

> > Dakshinamurthy is stationed in our right brain as

> > the formless entity called intuition and teaches us

> > everything.

> >

> > Lord Medha Dakshinamurthy is often portrayed as

> > teaching to four youthful sons of Brahma, who

> > epitomize spiritual purity - Sanaka, Sananda,

> > Sanatana and Sanatkumara. These are the rulers of

> > the four chaturthamsas of signs (like dasa

> > dikpalakas for dasamsa). I have always felt that

> > Chaturthamsa (D-4) is not used to its fullest by

> > most astrologers. Chaturthamsa shows "bhagya"

> > according to Parasara. If one restricts "bhagya" to

> > the residence, one cannot understand why

> > chaturthamsas are ruled by these four Kumaras.

> > Anyway, I will write my thoughts on what these four

> > Kumaras symbolize and also the chaturthamsa links in

> > an email later.

> >

> > One thought before I finish. Many beejaksharas (seed

> > syllables) used in mantras have rakaara or lakaara,

> > which activate/feed the sympathetic and

> > parasympathetic channels. Ra is fiery and La is

> > watery. For example, "Kreem" and "Kleem" have

> > totally different purposes, though they are very

> > similar. Similarly, "Shreem" and "Shleem" have

> > totally different purposes. Ancient Hindu sages and

> > Yogis carefully studied and chronicled the impact of

> > various sounds on various subtle energy channels.

> > Today, people look at mantra sastra as some kind of

> > magic that helps one fulfil cheap material desires

> > and they forget the most essential basics of mantra

> > sastra. The ultimate purpose of mantra and tantra is

> > to control oneself and rise spiritually.

> >

> > Let me end this rather long-winding rambling with a

> > beejakshara that can activate the right brain. Try

> > meditating on the beeja "dhleem" in jnaana mudra for

> > a few hours and you'll see the difference!

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> -------------------------------

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> -------------------------------

> >

> > varahamihira, "Sanjay Rath"

> > <guruji@s...> wrote:

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> > Dear Ram Narayan

> > There are some concepts we need to be clear about

> > first. I am adding

> > comments below your mail.

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > * * *

> > Sri Jagannath CenterR

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > New Delhi 110060, India

> > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com,

> > +91-11-25717162

> > * * *

> >

> > rama narayanan [ <sree88ganesha>

> > sree88ganesha]

> > Friday, May 20, 2005 8:38 AM

> > varahamihira

> > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: My shloka

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Sanjay, Visti, Hari & Prabhakaran,

> >

> > Namaste. Please refer the previous mail in

> > connection with Ista and Mantra.

> > Visti had a question about usage of Mantra

> > addressing Kartikeya as Ista.

> > Sanjay had stated that he preferred Ista to be

> > Sowmya and that if Kartikeya

> > Mantra is to be given, then an additional beeja

> > relating to removal of

> > poison may be added.

> >

> > Now we see a mail coming up in the form of a

> > 'Dakshinamoorthy Shloka' by

> > Narasimha(Mars). i was wondering the way the

> > Almighty carefully takes up

> > each wave of vibration and strokes it

> > affectionately!

> >

> > Mars is extremely comfortable in South/dakshin.

> > Makara is the exaltation

> > sthana of Mars where dakshinayana ends and

> > uttarayana begins. Makara is the

> > kshetra where Guru expresses himself through Mars.

> > Mars reminds me of

> > Dakshinamoorthy. You may feel as to why Yama should

> > be linked to

> > Dakshinamoorthy! Yama the controller is

> > dharmaswaroopi. Gyana means complete

> > transformation(8th house related activity -

> > Vimsamsa).

> >

> > <<Rath: The Kalachakra directions are based on *who

> > blocks what* or on *who

> > controls what*. Thats what Kala is all about. The NE

> > direction has the

> > digbala of Jupiterwhereas Rahu sits in the NE

> > doorway in the Kalachakra. So

> > naturally Rahu's job is to block the access or path

> > to Guru. Similarly Mars

> > has the digbala or fighting and killing strength

> > (Mrityu is the son of Mars)

> > in the southern direction and the God of Peace

> > Jupiter/Guru has the power to

> > block or control this destruction and is made to sit

> > in the southern

> > direction. This powerful form of the Guru that

> > blocks death and destruction

> > is Dakshinamurthy and this is not Mars but Jupiter.

> >

> > Yama is not linked to Dakshinamurthy in any way to

> > the best of my knowledge.

> > Yama is the God of death and is linked to Saturn and

> > as you have pointed out

> > this direction is also linked to the sign Capricorn

> > which ruled burial

> > grounds and burning ghats for dead bodies. Hence

> > Yama is linked to southern

> > direction due to the *sign* Capricorn which rules

> > the places for the dead.

> > Similarly Indra the king of the Gods sits in the

> > eastern

> === message truncated ===

>

> ______________________

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May 23, 2005

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Shri Bharat,

Namaste. Thank you for your response. You had stated

that turiya is a state of being or realization and

that the same cannot be related to tatvas. Does this

mean that the other three states can be related to

tatvas is it?

Under the shodasavarga scheme the sage Parasara in

BPHS speaks about chaturthamsa also known as turyamsa.

He says that the lords of the 4 angles from a sign are

the rulers of respective chaturthamsa of a rasi

commencing from Aries and that each chathurthamsa is

one fourth of a rasi. He also mentions the names of

deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana.

Signs are inanimate and grahas are animate. Does this

mean that chathurthamsa relates consciousness to

inanimate signs?

When the sage says Turyamsa and gives the names of

deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana i

believe there is more to it.

You have correctly stated the turiya is a state of

being or realization. What is this realization? Is it

not a state or level of consciousness? Whether it is

jagrat state or swapna state or shushupti state they

are all related to levels of consciousness.

Agni,vayu, jala and prithwi are no doubt tatvas. They

remain as tatvas when the consciousness ignores it.

This gives the meaning that the consciousness

indicates the level of gyana. Deva is the one who can

make use of the tatvas/is the one who can do

tatva-prayoga. Deva is tatva personified. Atmakaraka

is the Indra for whom all the devas unite.

Agni becomes deva when he realises the

agnitva/himself. Similarly Vayu,Jala and pritwi also

become devas when they realise themselves.

For the activity of segmentation(varga) to take place

we basically need the luminaries. The dwadasha rashis

owe their existence to the luminaries and their

unison. What is known as one in terms of brahmanda is

known as 12 in pindanda.

When a conscious decision is taken to look at the

zodiac into 4 parts in Brahmanda the same is echoed in

the pindanda also. The 4 manasa putras of Brahma rule

the 4 directions of the zodiac. What are the 4 basic

directions. They are East, South, West and North and

ruled by Agni, Pritvi, Vayu and Jala. Extending this

logic of brahmanda to pindanda we have manasaputras of

Brahma ruling the 4 parts of a sign. This means each

sign is a brahma. In other words being Brahma is

nothing but a realised unison of tatvas. We have

already seen that realisation of tatva personifies the

tatva into deva. Turiya is the 4th state. This means

the unison of personalities who have realised all

their tatva potencies is Brahma. Now comes the

question of who will or can do this unison. Which is

that tatva which can unite all other tatvas? It is

akasha is it not? It is Dakshinaamurthy who is akasha

personified who can do this job. That's why we see the

4 manasa putras seated in front and at the feet of the

Lord Dakshinaamoorthy. With this background if we look

from pindanda to brahmanda, the urge to sing SARVAM

BHRAMAMAYAM rises.

i shall stop here as the mail has become lengthier.

Best wishes.

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

--- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

Just one thought in your post to Sri Narasimha. Turiya

is a state of

being or realization and it cannot be related to the

tatvas.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

vedic astrology, rama narayanan

<sree88ganesha> wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Namaste. That's good one.

>

> The word Medha means retentiveness (of memory)/

> retentive faculty. The Lord Siva is called as

> Smarahara. The word Smara connotes remembrance as

well

> as the God of Love/Kama while the word Hara connotes

> removing/taking away. The power of Medha sustained

by

> the tatva Jala, is evaporated by Agni at the time of

> death. The Lord Maheswara applies the basma/ashes as

> an act of taking back that super superior power and

> returns it back as agni. Mars representing this agni

> directs the jeeva to Mrityu loka. The deathless

yogis

> who are blessed with trikalagyana are all in line

with

> the illumination of this Medha.

>

> The turyamsa which you talked about indeed has

deeper

> meanings. The four divisions of the zodiac can be

> broadly classified as agni trikonas, earthy

trikonas,

> vayu trikonas and jala trikonas. The four manasa

> putras are linked to the four levels of

consciousness

> known as jagrat, swapna, sushupti and turya. Agni

> trikonas relate to jagrat state(Sanaka), earthy

> trikonas relate to state of swapna(Sanatana), vayu

> trikona relates to Nidra/sushupti(Kumara) and jala

> trikonas relate to Turya(Sananda). The word bhagya

> means fate/destiny/ luck/fortune. i am awaiting to

> hear from you in this regard Narasimha.

>

> In Tirussur in Kerala there is temple for

> 'vadakkunatha'. Here Vadakku means North and Natha

> means the Lord. That means Lord from the North

meaning

> Pasupatinath. It is said that this temple owes its

> existence on account of Adishankara. i shall tell

you

> the story in brief. Mother Aryamba and Father

Sivaguru

> did not have any issue for a long time. They went

> around on a pilgrimage and reached the holy kshetra

of

> Pasupatinath in Nepal. There the Mother Aryamba had

a

> dream of the Lord asking her to perform anabhisheka

> with a ghee which does not melt for progeny. She

told

> this dream to her husband Sivaguru who told her that

> there was some message behind this dream. They

bought

> a cow and offered prayers to Gopala. Having milked

the

> cow they processed the same and brought out the

ghee.

> With prayers in their hearts they poured this ghee

on

> the Lord with the firm faith that the Lord would

> freeze it. The Lord pleased with their faith and

> devotion made the ghee freeze on its own and blessed

> them with the birth of famous Shankara. They ivited

> the Lord to come to South and when the Lord came

they

> constructed a temple and named the Moorthy as

> 'Vaddukunathar'.

>

> i wanted to mention about this 'uttaramurthy' also.

> Here there is a small message. What is the need to

> worship the Lord with a frozen ghee? The

> prithivi/earth yields grass which is consumed by

the

> Cow. This is converted into blood which becomes the

> milk. This milk is converted into curd which then is

> converted into butter which ultimately becomes ghee.

> This ghee is nothing but the 7th transformed state

of

> the original prithvi.

>

> If we observe closely we understand that Aryambal

> actually transferred her frozen state of putra

bhagya

> into a Sivalinga and offered her sincere prayer

which

> brought out the fertile mercy of the Lord leading to

> the birth of the famous son Shankara.

>

> Sorry for the length.

>

> Warm Regards.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> > Pranaam Sanjay and Rama Narayanan,

> >

> > That was an illuminating discussion. The

discussion

> > on Kala Chakra is very interesting!

> >

> > I just want to add my 2 cents regarding the

meaning

> > of "Medha Dakshinamurthy".

> >

> > Dakshina not only means "south" as you are

> > discussing, but it means "right" (opposite of

> > "left") too. Of course, when one faces east, one's

> > right hand side is in the southern direction and

> > that may be why the right hand is called "dakshina

> > hastam".

> >

> > Medha means intelligence. What is the seat of

> > intelligence? Normally we consider the brain as

the

> > seat of intelligence. Dakshinaamurthy is

> > dakshina+amurthy. Amurthy means a formless entity.

> > So "Medha Dakshinaamurthy" may be roughly

translated

> > as "the formless entity in the right brain". What

is

> > it?

> >

> > If we study the basics of yoga and modern

> > neuroscience, this can become clearer.

> >

> > The right half of the brain controls the left part

> > of the nervous system and the left half of the

brain

> > controls the right part of the nervous system.

There

> > is a cross over in the medulla. Though Lord Medha

> > Dakshinamurthy's name is associated with the right

> > side (dakshina), he is depicted as sitting with

his

> > left (vaama) leg up.

> >

> > Modern science says that structured logic is

> > performed by the left half of the brain and

> > inutition and unstructured logic is performed in

the

> > right half of brain. That may be why left-handed

> > cricket batsmen tend to look more free-flowing,

> > intuitive and elegant (e.g. David Gower, WV Raman,

> > Brian Lara, Sourav Ganguly etc). The nervous

> > reflexes associated with left part of the body

(and

> > hence the right brain) are used by them more

> > pre-dominently and hence the reflexes are more

> > intuitive.

> >

> > In Yoga, the nervous channels of Pingala and Ida

are

> > associated with fire and water (Sun and Moon). In

> > terms of modern terminology, they correspond to

> > sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.

One

> > system plays a stimulating (fiery) role and the

> > other plays a soothing (watery) role. Structured

> > logic is fiery in nature and unstructured

intuition

> > is watery in nature.

> >

> > Medha Dakshinamurthy is depicted as a guru who

> > teaches without speaking a word. He sits in jnaana

> > mudra in silence and knowledge comes

automatically.

> > This seems to point at the intuition within us,

> > which taps to the universal source of knowledge!

> > This intuition that contributes to unstructured

> > learning is "the formless entity of the right

brain"

> > and it gives us knowledge thru silence. Medha

> > Dakshinamurthy is stationed in our right brain as

> > the formless entity called intuition and teaches

us

> > everything.

> >

> > Lord Medha Dakshinamurthy is often portrayed as

> > teaching to four youthful sons of Brahma, who

> > epitomize spiritual purity - Sanaka, Sananda,

> > Sanatana and Sanatkumara. These are the rulers of

> > the four chaturthamsas of signs (like dasa

> > dikpalakas for dasamsa). I have always felt that

> > Chaturthamsa (D-4) is not used to its fullest by

> > most astrologers. Chaturthamsa shows "bhagya"

> > according to Parasara. If one restricts "bhagya"

to

> > the residence, one cannot understand why

> > chaturthamsas are ruled by these four Kumaras.

> > Anyway, I will write my thoughts on what these

four

> > Kumaras symbolize and also the chaturthamsa links

in

> > an email later.

> >

> > One thought before I finish. Many beejaksharas

(seed

> > syllables) used in mantras have rakaara or

lakaara,

> > which activate/feed the sympathetic and

> > parasympathetic channels. Ra is fiery and La is

> > watery. For example, "Kreem" and "Kleem" have

> > totally different purposes, though they are very

> > similar. Similarly, "Shreem" and "Shleem" have

> > totally different purposes. Ancient Hindu sages

and

> > Yogis carefully studied and chronicled the impact

of

> > various sounds on various subtle energy channels.

> > Today, people look at mantra sastra as some kind

of

> > magic that helps one fulfil cheap material desires

> > and they forget the most essential basics of

mantra

> > sastra. The ultimate purpose of mantra and tantra

is

> > to control oneself and rise spiritually.

> >

> > Let me end this rather long-winding rambling with

a

> > beejakshara that can activate the right brain. Try

> > meditating on the beeja "dhleem" in jnaana mudra

for

> > a few hours and you'll see the difference!

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

>

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> >

>

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> >

> > varahamihira, "Sanjay Rath"

> > <guruji@s...> wrote:

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> > Dear Ram Narayan

> > There are some concepts we need to be clear about

> > first. I am adding

> > comments below your mail.

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

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> > rama narayanan [ <sree88ganesha>

> > sree88ganesha]

> > Friday, May 20, 2005 8:38 AM

> > varahamihira

> > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: My shloka

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Sanjay, Visti, Hari & Prabhakaran,

> >

> > Namaste. Please refer the previous mail in

> > connection with Ista and Mantra.

> > Visti had a question about usage of Mantra

> > addressing Kartikeya as Ista.

> > Sanjay had stated that he preferred Ista to be

> > Sowmya and that if Kartikeya

> > Mantra is to be given, then an additional beeja

> > relating to removal of

> > poison may be added.

> >

> > Now we see a mail coming up in the form of a

> > 'Dakshinamoorthy Shloka' by

> > Narasimha(Mars). i was wondering the way the

> > Almighty carefully takes up

> > each wave of vibration and strokes it

> > affectionately!

> >

> > Mars is extremely comfortable in South/dakshin.

> > Makara is the exaltation

> > sthana of Mars where dakshinayana ends and

> > uttarayana begins. Makara is the

> > kshetra where Guru expresses himself through

Mars.

> > Mars reminds me of

> > Dakshinamoorthy. You may feel as to why Yama

should

> > be linked to

> > Dakshinamoorthy! Yama the controller is

> > dharmaswaroopi. Gyana means complete

> > transformation(8th house related activity -

> > Vimsamsa).

> >

> > <<Rath: The Kalachakra directions are based on

*who

> > blocks what* or on *who

> > controls what*. Thats what Kala is all about. The

NE

> > direction has the

> > digbala of Jupiterwhereas Rahu sits in the NE

> > doorway in the Kalachakra. So

> > naturally Rahu's job is to block the access or

path

> > to Guru. Similarly Mars

> > has the digbala or fighting and killing strength

> > (Mrityu is the son of Mars)

> > in the southern direction and the God of Peace

> > Jupiter/Guru has the power to

> > block or control this destruction and is made to

sit

> > in the southern

> > direction. This powerful form of the Guru that

> > blocks death and destruction

> > is Dakshinamurthy and this is not Mars but

Jupiter.

> >

> > Yama is not linked to Dakshinamurthy in any way to

> > the best of my knowledge.

> > Yama is the God of death and is linked to Saturn

and

> > as you have pointed out

> > this direction is also linked to the sign

Capricorn

> > which ruled burial

> > grounds and burning ghats for dead bodies. Hence

> > Yama is linked to southern

> > direction due to the *sign* Capricorn which rules

> > the places for the dead.

> > Similarly Indra the king of the Gods sits in the

> > eastern

> === message truncated ===

>

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Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

Thank you for your kind response.

Please refer to my comments below. Instead of trying to understand

through Parashara the Veda, I would use the opposite approach. My

comments are in five parts.

Bharat

vedic astrology, rama narayanan

<sree88ganesha> wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Shri Bharat,

>

> Namaste. Thank you for your response. You had stated

> that turiya is a state of being or realization and

> that the same cannot be related to tatvas. Does this

> mean that the other three states can be related to

> tatvas is it?

[bharat Start]

The three states of consciousness are dream, waking, and deepsleep.

The five tatvas function within dream and waking, considering space to

be the tatva too. The tatva is misinterpretation of the mind where in

the mind out of ignorance, projects qualities over the objects and

contructs the world as seen. In all five tatvas, whose very nature is

Sat Chita Ananda, is therefore "seen" as the Tatva. In the seen world,

including the tatvas Sat Chit Ananda always is, and mind projects two

qualities Name and Form. (Naam and Rupa)

You very correctly stated "Agni becomes deva when he realises the

> agnitva/himself. Similarly Vayu,Jala and pritwi also

> become devas when they realise themselves."

Realizing themselves to the Brahman Rupam Sat Chit Ananda, they

achieve the status of Devas and therefore, control the tatva as the

mind sees it.

Deep Sleep cannot be related to Tatva as mind is absent in it and

there is only an emptiness. Space and time is not present. Only

Ignorance remains but no misinterpretation of the ignorance.

Therefore, there isn't a tatva.

[End Part1 Bharat]

> Under the shodasavarga scheme the sage Parasara in

> BPHS speaks about chaturthamsa also known as turyamsa.

> He says that the lords of the 4 angles from a sign are

> the rulers of respective chaturthamsa of a rasi

> commencing from Aries and that each chathurthamsa is

> one fourth of a rasi. He also mentions the names of

> deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana.

[bharat Start]

The four deities signify four principles of knowledge:

1.sankhya:study to gain in knowledge to correctly analyze our

"material" conditions.

2. yoga: understanding the union between the "individual" and the

"entirety"

3. vairagya, the acceptance of every result as it comes from Sat Chit

Ananda. it bestows calmness of mind and deeper meditation.

and 4. Tapas

Without the above and without devotion (ability to pursue Self

realization single mindedly) Self realization is not possible. It is

also called the turyamsa as it shows the effort made towards

understanding the Turiya state. Please understand, it does not show

the Turiya state but only the effort put in the direction and the

effort that might be required in one of the above.

[End Bharat Part II]

> Signs are inanimate and grahas are animate. Does this

> mean that chathurthamsa relates consciousness to

> inanimate signs?

[bharat Start]

Chathurthamsa relates consciousness to

Ability or Lack of the four principles of knowledge and therefore

suggests what needs to be done to help realize our true nature.

Signs will relate the environment under which the four principles

shall take place and the Grahas will show the effort put or not put.

[bharat End PartIII]

> When the sage says Turyamsa and gives the names of

> deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana i

> believe there is more to it.

>

> You have correctly stated the turiya is a state of

> being or realization. What is this realization? Is it

> not a state or level of consciousness? Whether it is

> jagrat state or swapna state or shushupti state they

> are all related to levels of consciousness.

>

> Agni,vayu, jala and prithwi are no doubt tatvas. They

> remain as tatvas when the consciousness ignores it.

> This gives the meaning that the consciousness

> indicates the level of gyana. Deva is the one who can

> make use of the tatvas/is the one who can do

> tatva-prayoga. Deva is tatva personified. Atmakaraka

> is the Indra for whom all the devas unite.

[bharat Start]

The tatva of Tatvas is Consciousness. Consciousness does not ignore

it. For Consciousness there isn't a Tatva. Only it is. The tatva is

there for the individual self, who sees it. The Tatva is Consciousness

+imagined quality by the mind.

[bharat End Part IV]

> Agni becomes deva when he realises the

> agnitva/himself. Similarly Vayu,Jala and pritwi also

> become devas when they realise themselves.

>

> For the activity of segmentation(varga) to take place

> we basically need the luminaries. The dwadasha rashis

> owe their existence to the luminaries and their

> unison. What is known as one in terms of brahmanda is

> known as 12 in pindanda.

>

> When a conscious decision is taken to look at the

> zodiac into 4 parts in Brahmanda the same is echoed in

> the pindanda also. The 4 manasa putras of Brahma rule

> the 4 directions of the zodiac. What are the 4 basic

> directions. They are East, South, West and North and

> ruled by Agni, Pritvi, Vayu and Jala. Extending this

> logic of brahmanda to pindanda we have manasaputras of

> Brahma ruling the 4 parts of a sign. This means each

> sign is a brahma. In other words being Brahma is

> nothing but a realised unison of tatvas. We have

> already seen that realisation of tatva personifies the

> tatva into deva. Turiya is the 4th state. This means

> the unison of personalities who have realised all

> their tatva potencies is Brahma. Now comes the

> question of who will or can do this unison. Which is

> that tatva which can unite all other tatvas? It is

> akasha is it not? It is Dakshinaamurthy who is akasha

> personified who can do this job. That's why we see the

> 4 manasa putras seated in front and at the feet of the

> Lord Dakshinaamoorthy. With this background if we look

> from pindanda to brahmanda, the urge to sing SARVAM

> BHRAMAMAYAM rises.

[bharat Start]

The Akasha tatva is again an imagined tatva. It cannot signify Lord

Dakshinaamoorthy, who himself is all Consciousness. The four disciples

are already discussed above and therefore they relate to four

principles of knowledge. The Lord Dakshinamoorthy with four disciples

show the 4 help you realize unqualified Consciousness Sat Chit Ananda.

[bharat End Part V]

> i shall stop here as the mail has become lengthier.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> --- bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

>

> Just one thought in your post to Sri Narasimha. Turiya

> is a state of

> being or realization and it cannot be related to the

> tatvas.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> vedic astrology, rama narayanan

> <sree88ganesha> wrote:

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Narasimha,

> >

> > Namaste. That's good one.

> >

> > The word Medha means retentiveness (of memory)/

> > retentive faculty. The Lord Siva is called as

> > Smarahara. The word Smara connotes remembrance as

> well

> > as the God of Love/Kama while the word Hara connotes

> > removing/taking away. The power of Medha sustained

> by

> > the tatva Jala, is evaporated by Agni at the time of

> > death. The Lord Maheswara applies the basma/ashes as

> > an act of taking back that super superior power and

> > returns it back as agni. Mars representing this agni

> > directs the jeeva to Mrityu loka. The deathless

> yogis

> > who are blessed with trikalagyana are all in line

> with

> > the illumination of this Medha.

> >

> > The turyamsa which you talked about indeed has

> deeper

> > meanings. The four divisions of the zodiac can be

> > broadly classified as agni trikonas, earthy

> trikonas,

> > vayu trikonas and jala trikonas. The four manasa

> > putras are linked to the four levels of

> consciousness

> > known as jagrat, swapna, sushupti and turya. Agni

> > trikonas relate to jagrat state(Sanaka), earthy

> > trikonas relate to state of swapna(Sanatana), vayu

> > trikona relates to Nidra/sushupti(Kumara) and jala

> > trikonas relate to Turya(Sananda). The word bhagya

> > means fate/destiny/ luck/fortune. i am awaiting to

> > hear from you in this regard Narasimha.

> >

> > In Tirussur in Kerala there is temple for

> > 'vadakkunatha'. Here Vadakku means North and Natha

> > means the Lord. That means Lord from the North

> meaning

> > Pasupatinath. It is said that this temple owes its

> > existence on account of Adishankara. i shall tell

> you

> > the story in brief. Mother Aryamba and Father

> Sivaguru

> > did not have any issue for a long time. They went

> > around on a pilgrimage and reached the holy kshetra

> of

> > Pasupatinath in Nepal. There the Mother Aryamba had

> a

> > dream of the Lord asking her to perform anabhisheka

> > with a ghee which does not melt for progeny. She

> told

> > this dream to her husband Sivaguru who told her that

> > there was some message behind this dream. They

> bought

> > a cow and offered prayers to Gopala. Having milked

> the

> > cow they processed the same and brought out the

> ghee.

> > With prayers in their hearts they poured this ghee

> on

> > the Lord with the firm faith that the Lord would

> > freeze it. The Lord pleased with their faith and

> > devotion made the ghee freeze on its own and blessed

> > them with the birth of famous Shankara. They ivited

> > the Lord to come to South and when the Lord came

> they

> > constructed a temple and named the Moorthy as

> > 'Vaddukunathar'.

> >

> > i wanted to mention about this 'uttaramurthy' also.

> > Here there is a small message. What is the need to

> > worship the Lord with a frozen ghee? The

> > prithivi/earth yields grass which is consumed by

> the

> > Cow. This is converted into blood which becomes the

> > milk. This milk is converted into curd which then is

> > converted into butter which ultimately becomes ghee.

> > This ghee is nothing but the 7th transformed state

> of

> > the original prithvi.

> >

> > If we observe closely we understand that Aryambal

> > actually transferred her frozen state of putra

> bhagya

> > into a Sivalinga and offered her sincere prayer

> which

> > brought out the fertile mercy of the Lord leading to

> > the birth of the famous son Shankara.

> >

> > Sorry for the length.

> >

> > Warm Regards.

> >

> > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> >

> > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Pranaam Sanjay and Rama Narayanan,

> > >

> > > That was an illuminating discussion. The

> discussion

> > > on Kala Chakra is very interesting!

> > >

> > > I just want to add my 2 cents regarding the

> meaning

> > > of "Medha Dakshinamurthy".

> > >

> > > Dakshina not only means "south" as you are

> > > discussing, but it means "right" (opposite of

> > > "left") too. Of course, when one faces east, one's

> > > right hand side is in the southern direction and

> > > that may be why the right hand is called "dakshina

> > > hastam".

> > >

> > > Medha means intelligence. What is the seat of

> > > intelligence? Normally we consider the brain as

> the

> > > seat of intelligence. Dakshinaamurthy is

> > > dakshina+amurthy. Amurthy means a formless entity.

> > > So "Medha Dakshinaamurthy" may be roughly

> translated

> > > as "the formless entity in the right brain". What

> is

> > > it?

> > >

> > > If we study the basics of yoga and modern

> > > neuroscience, this can become clearer.

> > >

> > > The right half of the brain controls the left part

> > > of the nervous system and the left half of the

> brain

> > > controls the right part of the nervous system.

> There

> > > is a cross over in the medulla. Though Lord Medha

> > > Dakshinamurthy's name is associated with the right

> > > side (dakshina), he is depicted as sitting with

> his

> > > left (vaama) leg up.

> > >

> > > Modern science says that structured logic is

> > > performed by the left half of the brain and

> > > inutition and unstructured logic is performed in

> the

> > > right half of brain. That may be why left-handed

> > > cricket batsmen tend to look more free-flowing,

> > > intuitive and elegant (e.g. David Gower, WV Raman,

> > > Brian Lara, Sourav Ganguly etc). The nervous

> > > reflexes associated with left part of the body

> (and

> > > hence the right brain) are used by them more

> > > pre-dominently and hence the reflexes are more

> > > intuitive.

> > >

> > > In Yoga, the nervous channels of Pingala and Ida

> are

> > > associated with fire and water (Sun and Moon). In

> > > terms of modern terminology, they correspond to

> > > sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.

> One

> > > system plays a stimulating (fiery) role and the

> > > other plays a soothing (watery) role. Structured

> > > logic is fiery in nature and unstructured

> intuition

> > > is watery in nature.

> > >

> > > Medha Dakshinamurthy is depicted as a guru who

> > > teaches without speaking a word. He sits in jnaana

> > > mudra in silence and knowledge comes

> automatically.

> > > This seems to point at the intuition within us,

> > > which taps to the universal source of knowledge!

> > > This intuition that contributes to unstructured

> > > learning is "the formless entity of the right

> brain"

> > > and it gives us knowledge thru silence. Medha

> > > Dakshinamurthy is stationed in our right brain as

> > > the formless entity called intuition and teaches

> us

> > > everything.

> > >

> > > Lord Medha Dakshinamurthy is often portrayed as

> > > teaching to four youthful sons of Brahma, who

> > > epitomize spiritual purity - Sanaka, Sananda,

> > > Sanatana and Sanatkumara. These are the rulers of

> > > the four chaturthamsas of signs (like dasa

> > > dikpalakas for dasamsa). I have always felt that

> > > Chaturthamsa (D-4) is not used to its fullest by

> > > most astrologers. Chaturthamsa shows "bhagya"

> > > according to Parasara. If one restricts "bhagya"

> to

> > > the residence, one cannot understand why

> > > chaturthamsas are ruled by these four Kumaras.

> > > Anyway, I will write my thoughts on what these

> four

> > > Kumaras symbolize and also the chaturthamsa links

> in

> > > an email later.

> > >

> > > One thought before I finish. Many beejaksharas

> (seed

> > > syllables) used in mantras have rakaara or

> lakaara,

> > > which activate/feed the sympathetic and

> > > parasympathetic channels. Ra is fiery and La is

> > > watery. For example, "Kreem" and "Kleem" have

> > > totally different purposes, though they are very

> > > similar. Similarly, "Shreem" and "Shleem" have

> > > totally different purposes. Ancient Hindu sages

> and

> > > Yogis carefully studied and chronicled the impact

> of

> > > various sounds on various subtle energy channels.

> > > Today, people look at mantra sastra as some kind

> of

> > > magic that helps one fulfil cheap material desires

> > > and they forget the most essential basics of

> mantra

> > > sastra. The ultimate purpose of mantra and tantra

> is

> > > to control oneself and rise spiritually.

> > >

> > > Let me end this rather long-winding rambling with

> a

> > > beejakshara that can activate the right brain. Try

> > > meditating on the beeja "dhleem" in jnaana mudra

> for

> > > a few hours and you'll see the difference!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> >

> -------------------------------

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> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> >

> -------------------------------

> > >

> > > varahamihira, "Sanjay Rath"

> > > <guruji@s...> wrote:

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > Dear Ram Narayan

> > > There are some concepts we need to be clear about

> > > first. I am adding

> > > comments below your mail.

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath CenterR

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com,

> > > +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > rama narayanan [ <sree88ganesha>

> > > sree88ganesha]

> > > Friday, May 20, 2005 8:38 AM

> > > varahamihira

> > > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: My shloka

> > >

> > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay, Visti, Hari & Prabhakaran,

> > >

> > > Namaste. Please refer the previous mail in

> > > connection with Ista and Mantra.

> > > Visti had a question about usage of Mantra

> > > addressing Kartikeya as Ista.

> > > Sanjay had stated that he preferred Ista to be

> > > Sowmya and that if Kartikeya

> > > Mantra is to be given, then an additional beeja

> > > relating to removal of

> > > poison may be added.

> > >

> > > Now we see a mail coming up in the form of a

> > > 'Dakshinamoorthy Shloka' by

> > > Narasimha(Mars). i was wondering the way the

> > > Almighty carefully takes up

> > > each wave of vibration and strokes it

> > > affectionately!

> > >

> > > Mars is extremely comfortable in South/dakshin.

> > > Makara is the exaltation

> > > sthana of Mars where dakshinayana ends and

> > > uttarayana begins. Makara is the

> > > kshetra where Guru expresses himself through

> Mars.

> > > Mars reminds me of

> > > Dakshinamoorthy. You may feel as to why Yama

> should

> > > be linked to

> > > Dakshinamoorthy! Yama the controller is

> > > dharmaswaroopi. Gyana means complete

> > > transformation(8th house related activity -

> > > Vimsamsa).

> > >

> > > <<Rath: The Kalachakra directions are based on

> *who

> > > blocks what* or on *who

> > > controls what*. Thats what Kala is all about. The

> NE

> > > direction has the

> > > digbala of Jupiterwhereas Rahu sits in the NE

> > > doorway in the Kalachakra. So

> > > naturally Rahu's job is to block the access or

> path

> > > to Guru. Similarly Mars

> > > has the digbala or fighting and killing strength

> > > (Mrityu is the son of Mars)

> > > in the southern direction and the God of Peace

> > > Jupiter/Guru has the power to

> > > block or control this destruction and is made to

> sit

> > > in the southern

> > > direction. This powerful form of the Guru that

> > > blocks death and destruction

> > > is Dakshinamurthy and this is not Mars but

> Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Yama is not linked to Dakshinamurthy in any way to

> > > the best of my knowledge.

> > > Yama is the God of death and is linked to Saturn

> and

> > > as you have pointed out

> > > this direction is also linked to the sign

> Capricorn

> > > which ruled burial

> > > grounds and burning ghats for dead bodies. Hence

> > > Yama is linked to southern

> > > direction due to the *sign* Capricorn which rules

> > > the places for the dead.

> > > Similarly Indra the king of the Gods sits in the

> > > eastern

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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May 24, 2005

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Shri Bharat,

Namaste. i am happy, that you have noted, that, i have

been attempting to understand and explore the

utterances of Sage Parasara. i am also happy to note

your preference of approaching Veda based on your

understandings and beliefs.

Thanking you for your response and respecting your

expressed approaches and beliefs i remain,

Yours truly,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

--- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

Thank you for your kind response.

Please refer to my comments below. Instead of trying

to understand

through Parashara the Veda, I would use the opposite

approach. My

comments are in five parts.

Bharat

vedic astrology, rama narayanan

<sree88ganesha> wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Shri Bharat,

>

> Namaste. Thank you for your response. You had

stated

> that turiya is a state of being or realization and

> that the same cannot be related to tatvas. Does this

> mean that the other three states can be related to

> tatvas is it?

[bharat Start]

The three states of consciousness are dream, waking,

and deepsleep.

The five tatvas function within dream and waking,

considering space to

be the tatva too. The tatva is misinterpretation of

the mind where in

the mind out of ignorance, projects qualities over the

objects and

contructs the world as seen. In all five tatvas, whose

very nature is

Sat Chita Ananda, is therefore "seen" as the Tatva. In

the seen world,

including the tatvas Sat Chit Ananda always is, and

mind projects two

qualities Name and Form. (Naam and Rupa)

You very correctly stated "Agni becomes deva when he

realises the

> agnitva/himself. Similarly Vayu,Jala and pritwi also

> become devas when they realise themselves."

Realizing themselves to the Brahman Rupam Sat Chit

Ananda, they

achieve the status of Devas and therefore, control the

tatva as the

mind sees it.

Deep Sleep cannot be related to Tatva as mind is

absent in it and

there is only an emptiness. Space and time is not

present. Only

Ignorance remains but no misinterpretation of the

ignorance.

Therefore, there isn't a tatva.

[End Part1 Bharat]

> Under the shodasavarga scheme the sage Parasara in

> BPHS speaks about chaturthamsa also known as

turyamsa.

> He says that the lords of the 4 angles from a sign

are

> the rulers of respective chaturthamsa of a rasi

> commencing from Aries and that each chathurthamsa is

> one fourth of a rasi. He also mentions the names of

> deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana.

[bharat Start]

The four deities signify four principles of knowledge:

1.sankhya:study to gain in knowledge to correctly

analyze our

"material" conditions.

2. yoga: understanding the union between the

"individual" and the

"entirety"

3. vairagya, the acceptance of every result as it

comes from Sat Chit

Ananda. it bestows calmness of mind and deeper

meditation.

and 4. Tapas

Without the above and without devotion (ability to

pursue Self

realization single mindedly) Self realization is not

possible. It is

also called the turyamsa as it shows the effort made

towards

understanding the Turiya state. Please understand, it

does not show

the Turiya state but only the effort put in the

direction and the

effort that might be required in one of the above.

[End Bharat Part II]

> Signs are inanimate and grahas are animate. Does

this

> mean that chathurthamsa relates consciousness to

> inanimate signs?

[bharat Start]

Chathurthamsa relates consciousness to

Ability or Lack of the four principles of knowledge

and therefore

suggests what needs to be done to help realize our

true nature.

Signs will relate the environment under which the four

principles

shall take place and the Grahas will show the effort

put or not put.

[bharat End PartIII]

> When the sage says Turyamsa and gives the names of

> deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana i

> believe there is more to it.

>

> You have correctly stated the turiya is a state of

> being or realization. What is this realization? Is

it

> not a state or level of consciousness? Whether it

is

> jagrat state or swapna state or shushupti state they

> are all related to levels of consciousness.

>

> Agni,vayu, jala and prithwi are no doubt tatvas.

They

> remain as tatvas when the consciousness ignores it.

> This gives the meaning that the consciousness

> indicates the level of gyana. Deva is the one who

can

> make use of the tatvas/is the one who can do

> tatva-prayoga. Deva is tatva personified. Atmakaraka

> is the Indra for whom all the devas unite.

[bharat Start]

The tatva of Tatvas is Consciousness. Consciousness

does not ignore

it. For Consciousness there isn't a Tatva. Only it is.

The tatva is

there for the individual self, who sees it. The Tatva

is Consciousness

+imagined quality by the mind.

[bharat End Part IV]

> Agni becomes deva when he realises the

> agnitva/himself. Similarly Vayu,Jala and pritwi also

> become devas when they realise themselves.

>

> For the activity of segmentation(varga) to take

place

> we basically need the luminaries. The dwadasha

rashis

> owe their existence to the luminaries and their

> unison. What is known as one in terms of brahmanda

is

> known as 12 in pindanda.

>

> When a conscious decision is taken to look at the

> zodiac into 4 parts in Brahmanda the same is echoed

in

> the pindanda also. The 4 manasa putras of Brahma

rule

> the 4 directions of the zodiac. What are the 4 basic

> directions. They are East, South, West and North and

> ruled by Agni, Pritvi, Vayu and Jala. Extending this

> logic of brahmanda to pindanda we have manasaputras

of

> Brahma ruling the 4 parts of a sign. This means each

> sign is a brahma. In other words being Brahma is

> nothing but a realised unison of tatvas. We have

> already seen that realisation of tatva personifies

the

> tatva into deva. Turiya is the 4th state. This means

> the unison of personalities who have realised all

> their tatva potencies is Brahma. Now comes the

> question of who will or can do this unison. Which is

> that tatva which can unite all other tatvas? It is

> akasha is it not? It is Dakshinaamurthy who is

akasha

> personified who can do this job. That's why we see

the

> 4 manasa putras seated in front and at the feet of

the

> Lord Dakshinaamoorthy. With this background if we

look

> from pindanda to brahmanda, the urge to sing SARVAM

> BHRAMAMAYAM rises.

[bharat Start]

The Akasha tatva is again an imagined tatva. It cannot

signify Lord

Dakshinaamoorthy, who himself is all Consciousness.

The four disciples

are already discussed above and therefore they relate

to four

principles of knowledge. The Lord Dakshinamoorthy with

four disciples

show the 4 help you realize unqualified Consciousness

Sat Chit Ananda.

[bharat End Part V]

> i shall stop here as the mail has become lengthier.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> --- bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

>

> Just one thought in your post to Sri Narasimha.

Turiya

> is a state of

> being or realization and it cannot be related to the

> tatvas.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> vedic astrology, rama

narayanan

> <sree88ganesha> wrote:

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Narasimha,

> >

> > Namaste. That's good one.

> >

> > The word Medha means retentiveness (of memory)/

> > retentive faculty. The Lord Siva is called as

> > Smarahara. The word Smara connotes remembrance as

> well

> > as the God of Love/Kama while the word Hara

connotes

> > removing/taking away. The power of Medha sustained

> by

> > the tatva Jala, is evaporated by Agni at the time

of

> > death. The Lord Maheswara applies the basma/ashes

as

> > an act of taking back that super superior power

and

> > returns it back as agni. Mars representing this

agni

> > directs the jeeva to Mrityu loka. The deathless

> yogis

> > who are blessed with trikalagyana are all in line

> with

> > the illumination of this Medha.

> >

> > The turyamsa which you talked about indeed has

> deeper

> > meanings. The four divisions of the zodiac can be

> > broadly classified as agni trikonas, earthy

> trikonas,

> > vayu trikonas and jala trikonas. The four manasa

> > putras are linked to the four levels of

> consciousness

> > known as jagrat, swapna, sushupti and turya. Agni

> > trikonas relate to jagrat state(Sanaka), earthy

> > trikonas relate to state of swapna(Sanatana), vayu

> > trikona relates to Nidra/sushupti(Kumara) and jala

> > trikonas relate to Turya(Sananda). The word bhagya

> > means fate/destiny/ luck/fortune. i am awaiting to

> > hear from you in this regard Narasimha.

> >

> > In Tirussur in Kerala there is temple for

> > 'vadakkunatha'. Here Vadakku means North and Natha

> > means the Lord. That means Lord from the North

> meaning

> > Pasupatinath. It is said that this temple owes its

> > existence on account of Adishankara. i shall tell

> you

> > the story in brief. Mother Aryamba and Father

> Sivaguru

> > did not have any issue for a long time. They went

> > around on a pilgrimage and reached the holy

kshetra

> of

> > Pasupatinath in Nepal. There the Mother Aryamba

had

> a

> > dream of the Lord asking her to perform

anabhisheka

> > with a ghee which does not melt for progeny. She

> told

> > this dream to her husband Sivaguru who told her

that

> > there was some message behind this dream. They

> bought

> > a cow and offered prayers to Gopala. Having milked

> the

> > cow they processed the same and brought out the

> ghee.

> > With prayers in their hearts they poured this ghee

> on

> > the Lord with the firm faith that the Lord would

> > freeze it. The Lord pleased with their faith and

> > devotion made the ghee freeze on its own and

blessed

> > them with the birth of famous Shankara. They

ivited

> > the Lord to come to South and when the Lord came

> they

> > constructed a temple and named the Moorthy as

> > 'Vaddukunathar'.

> >

> > i wanted to mention about this 'uttaramurthy'

also.

> > Here there is a small message. What is the need to

> > worship the Lord with a frozen ghee? The

> > prithivi/earth yields grass which is consumed by

> the

> > Cow. This is converted into blood which becomes

the

> > milk. This milk is converted into curd which then

is

> > converted into butter which ultimately becomes

ghee.

> > This ghee is nothing but the 7th transformed state

> of

> > the original prithvi.

> >

> > If we observe closely we understand that Aryambal

> > actually transferred her frozen state of putra

> bhagya

> > into a Sivalinga and offered her sincere prayer

> which

> > brought out the fertile mercy of the Lord leading

to

> > the birth of the famous son Shankara.

> >

> > Sorry for the length.

> >

> > Warm Regards.

> >

> > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> >

> > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Pranaam Sanjay and Rama Narayanan,

> > >

> > > That was an illuminating discussion. The

> discussion

> > > on Kala Chakra is very interesting!

> > >

> > > I just want to add my 2 cents regarding the

> meaning

> > > of "Medha Dakshinamurthy".

> > >

> > > Dakshina not only means "south" as you are

> > > discussing, but it means "right" (opposite of

> > > "left") too. Of course, when one faces east,

one's

> > > right hand side is in the southern direction and

> > > that may be why the right hand is called

"dakshina

> > > hastam".

> > >

> > > Medha means intelligence. What is the seat of

> > > intelligence? Normally we consider the brain as

> the

> > > seat of intelligence. Dakshinaamurthy is

> > > dakshina+amurthy. Amurthy means a formless

entity.

> > > So "Medha Dakshinaamurthy" may be roughly

> translated

> > > as "the formless entity in the right brain".

What

> is

> > > it?

> > >

> > > If we study the basics of yoga and modern

> > > neuroscience, this can become clearer.

> > >

> > > The right half of the brain controls the left

part

> > > of the nervous system and the left half of the

> brain

> > > controls the right part of the nervous system.

> There

> > > is a cross over in the medulla. Though Lord

Medha

> > > Dakshinamurthy's name is associated with the

right

> > > side (dakshina), he is depicted as sitting with

> his

> > > left (vaama) leg up.

> > >

> > > Modern science says that structured logic is

> > > performed by the left half of the brain and

> > > inutition and unstructured logic is performed in

> the

> > > right half of brain. That may be why left-handed

> > > cricket batsmen tend to look more free-flowing,

> > > intuitive and elegant (e.g. David Gower, WV

Raman,

> > > Brian Lara, Sourav Ganguly etc). The nervous

> > > reflexes associated with left part of the body

> (and

> > > hence the right brain) are used by them more

> > > pre-dominently and hence the reflexes are more

> > > intuitive.

> > >

> > > In Yoga, the nervous channels of Pingala and Ida

> are

> > > associated with fire and water (Sun and Moon).

In

> > > terms of modern terminology, they correspond to

> > > sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.

> One

> > > system plays a stimulating (fiery) role and the

> > > other plays a soothing (watery) role. Structured

> > > logic is fiery in nature and unstructured

> intuition

> > > is watery in nature.

> > >

> > > Medha Dakshinamurthy is depicted as a guru who

> > > teaches without speaking a word. He sits in

jnaana

> > > mudra in silence and knowledge comes

> automatically.

> > > This seems to point at the intuition within us,

> > > which taps to the universal source of knowledge!

> > > This intuition that contributes to unstructured

> > > learning is "the formless entity of the right

> brain"

> > > and it gives us knowledge thru silence. Medha

> > > Dakshinamurthy is stationed in our right brain

as

> > > the formless entity called intuition and teaches

> us

> > > everything.

> > >

> > > Lord Medha Dakshinamurthy is often portrayed as

> > > teaching to four youthful sons of Brahma, who

> > > epitomize spiritual purity - Sanaka, Sananda,

> > > Sanatana and Sanatkumara. These are the rulers

of

> > > the four chaturthamsas of signs (like dasa

> > > dikpalakas for dasamsa). I have always felt that

> > > Chaturthamsa (D-4) is not used to its fullest by

> > > most astrologers. Chaturthamsa shows "bhagya"

> > > according to Parasara. If one restricts "bhagya"

> to

> > > the residence, one cannot understand why

> > > chaturthamsas are ruled by these four Kumaras.

> > > Anyway, I will write my thoughts on what these

> four

> > > Kumaras symbolize and also the chaturthamsa

links

> in

> > > an email later.

> > >

> > > One thought before I finish. Many beejaksharas

> (seed

> > > syllables) used in mantras have rakaara or

> lakaara,

> > > which activate/feed the sympathetic and

> > > parasympathetic channels. Ra is fiery and La is

> > > watery. For example, "Kreem" and "Kleem" have

> > > totally different purposes, though they are very

> > > similar. Similarly, "Shreem" and "Shleem" have

> > > totally different purposes. Ancient Hindu sages

> and

> > > Yogis carefully studied and chronicled the

impact

> of

> > > various sounds on various subtle energy

channels.

> > > Today, people look at mantra sastra as some kind

> of

> > > magic that helps one fulfil cheap material

desires

> > > and they forget the most essential basics of

> mantra

> > > sastra. The ultimate purpose of mantra and

tantra

> is

> > > to control oneself and rise spiritually.

> > >

> > > Let me end this rather long-winding rambling

with

> a

> > > beejakshara that can activate the right brain.

Try

> > > meditating on the beeja "dhleem" in jnaana mudra

> for

> > > a few hours and you'll see the difference!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------------

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------------

> > >

> > > varahamihira, "Sanjay

Rath"

> > > <guruji@s...> wrote:

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > Dear Ram Narayan

> > > There are some concepts we need to be clear

about

> > > first. I am adding

> > > comments below your mail.

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath CenterR

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com,

> > > +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > rama narayanan [

> > > sree88ganesha]

> > > Friday, May 20, 2005 8:38 AM

> > > varahamihira

> > > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: My shloka

> > >

> > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay, Visti, Hari & Prabhakaran,

> > >

> > > Namaste. Please refer the previous mail in

> > > connection with Ista and Mantra.

> > > Visti had a question about usage of Mantra

> > > addressing Kartikeya as Ista.

> > > Sanjay had stated that he preferred Ista to be

> > > Sowmya and that if Kartikeya

> > > Mantra is to be given, then an additional beeja

> > > relating to removal of

> > > poison may be added.

> > >

> > > Now we see a mail coming up in the form of a

> > > 'Dakshinamoorthy Shloka' by

> > > Narasimha(Mars). i was wondering the way the

> > > Almighty carefully takes up

> > > each wave of vibration and strokes it

> > > affectionately!

> > >

> > > Mars is extremely comfortable in South/dakshin.

> > > Makara is the exaltation

> > > sthana of Mars where dakshinayana ends and

> > > uttarayana begins. Makara is the

> > > kshetra where Guru expresses himself through

> Mars.

> > > Mars reminds me of

> > > Dakshinamoorthy. You may feel as to why Yama

> should

> > > be linked to

> > > Dakshinamoorthy! Yama the controller is

> > > dharmaswaroopi. Gyana means complete

> > > transformation(8th house related activity -

> > > Vimsamsa).

> > >

> > > <<Rath: The Kalachakra directions are based on

> *who

> > > blocks what* or on *who

> > > controls what*. Thats what Kala is all about.

The

> NE

> > > direction has the

> > > digbala of Jupiterwhereas Rahu sits in the NE

> > > doorway in the Kalachakra. So

> > > naturally Rahu's job is to block the access or

> path

> > > to Guru. Similarly Mars

> > > has the digbala or fighting and killing strength

> > > (Mrityu is the son of Mars)

> > > in the southern direction and the God of Peace

> > > Jupiter/Guru has the power to

> > > block or control this destruction and is made to

> sit

> > > in the southern

> > > direction. This powerful form of the Guru that

> > > blocks death and destruction

> > > is Dakshinamurthy and this is not Mars but

> Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Yama is not linked to Dakshinamurthy in any way

to

> > > the best of my knowledge.

> > > Yama is the God of death and is linked to Saturn

> and

> > > as you have pointed out

> > > this direction is also linked to the sign

> Capricorn

> > > which ruled burial

> > > grounds and burning ghats for dead bodies. Hence

> > > Yama is linked to southern

> > > direction due to the *sign* Capricorn which

rules

> > > the places for the dead.

> > > Similarly Indra the king of the Gods sits in the

> > > eastern

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Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

Thank you for your kind comments.

I also try to understand utterances of Sri Parasara and use the

understanding of the Veda to do so. The assumption I make is, Jyotish

being a Vedanga cannot depart from Veda's teachings.

And this is how I understand chaturthamsa and other subjects(as given

in the comments). I too respect your views and understanding, and

would like you to keep up with this topic in order for us to be clear

about the subject.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

vedic astrology, rama narayanan

<sree88ganesha> wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Shri Bharat,

>

> Namaste. i am happy, that you have noted, that, i have

> been attempting to understand and explore the

> utterances of Sage Parasara. i am also happy to note

> your preference of approaching Veda based on your

> understandings and beliefs.

>

> Thanking you for your response and respecting your

> expressed approaches and beliefs i remain,

>

> Yours truly,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> --- bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

>

> Thank you for your kind response.

>

> Please refer to my comments below. Instead of trying

> to understand

> through Parashara the Veda, I would use the opposite

> approach. My

> comments are in five parts.

>

> Bharat

>

> vedic astrology, rama narayanan

> <sree88ganesha> wrote:

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Shri Bharat,

> >

> > Namaste. Thank you for your response. You had

> stated

> > that turiya is a state of being or realization and

> > that the same cannot be related to tatvas. Does this

> > mean that the other three states can be related to

> > tatvas is it?

>

> [bharat Start]

> The three states of consciousness are dream, waking,

> and deepsleep.

> The five tatvas function within dream and waking,

> considering space to

> be the tatva too. The tatva is misinterpretation of

> the mind where in

> the mind out of ignorance, projects qualities over the

> objects and

> contructs the world as seen. In all five tatvas, whose

> very nature is

> Sat Chita Ananda, is therefore "seen" as the Tatva. In

> the seen world,

> including the tatvas Sat Chit Ananda always is, and

> mind projects two

> qualities Name and Form. (Naam and Rupa)

>

> You very correctly stated "Agni becomes deva when he

> realises the

> > agnitva/himself. Similarly Vayu,Jala and pritwi also

> > become devas when they realise themselves."

>

> Realizing themselves to the Brahman Rupam Sat Chit

> Ananda, they

> achieve the status of Devas and therefore, control the

> tatva as the

> mind sees it.

>

> Deep Sleep cannot be related to Tatva as mind is

> absent in it and

> there is only an emptiness. Space and time is not

> present. Only

> Ignorance remains but no misinterpretation of the

> ignorance.

> Therefore, there isn't a tatva.

>

> [End Part1 Bharat]

>

> > Under the shodasavarga scheme the sage Parasara in

> > BPHS speaks about chaturthamsa also known as

> turyamsa.

> > He says that the lords of the 4 angles from a sign

> are

> > the rulers of respective chaturthamsa of a rasi

> > commencing from Aries and that each chathurthamsa is

> > one fourth of a rasi. He also mentions the names of

> > deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana.

>

> [bharat Start]

> The four deities signify four principles of knowledge:

>

> 1.sankhya:study to gain in knowledge to correctly

> analyze our

> "material" conditions.

> 2. yoga: understanding the union between the

> "individual" and the

> "entirety"

> 3. vairagya, the acceptance of every result as it

> comes from Sat Chit

> Ananda. it bestows calmness of mind and deeper

> meditation.

> and 4. Tapas

>

> Without the above and without devotion (ability to

> pursue Self

> realization single mindedly) Self realization is not

> possible. It is

> also called the turyamsa as it shows the effort made

> towards

> understanding the Turiya state. Please understand, it

> does not show

> the Turiya state but only the effort put in the

> direction and the

> effort that might be required in one of the above.

> [End Bharat Part II]

>

> > Signs are inanimate and grahas are animate. Does

> this

> > mean that chathurthamsa relates consciousness to

> > inanimate signs?

>

> [bharat Start]

> Chathurthamsa relates consciousness to

> Ability or Lack of the four principles of knowledge

> and therefore

> suggests what needs to be done to help realize our

> true nature.

> Signs will relate the environment under which the four

> principles

> shall take place and the Grahas will show the effort

> put or not put.

>

> [bharat End PartIII]

>

> > When the sage says Turyamsa and gives the names of

> > deities as Sanaka, Sananda, Kumara and Sanatana i

> > believe there is more to it.

> >

> > You have correctly stated the turiya is a state of

> > being or realization. What is this realization? Is

> it

> > not a state or level of consciousness? Whether it

> is

> > jagrat state or swapna state or shushupti state they

> > are all related to levels of consciousness.

> >

> > Agni,vayu, jala and prithwi are no doubt tatvas.

> They

> > remain as tatvas when the consciousness ignores it.

> > This gives the meaning that the consciousness

> > indicates the level of gyana. Deva is the one who

> can

> > make use of the tatvas/is the one who can do

> > tatva-prayoga. Deva is tatva personified. Atmakaraka

> > is the Indra for whom all the devas unite.

>

> [bharat Start]

> The tatva of Tatvas is Consciousness. Consciousness

> does not ignore

> it. For Consciousness there isn't a Tatva. Only it is.

> The tatva is

> there for the individual self, who sees it. The Tatva

> is Consciousness

> +imagined quality by the mind.

> [bharat End Part IV]

>

> > Agni becomes deva when he realises the

> > agnitva/himself. Similarly Vayu,Jala and pritwi also

> > become devas when they realise themselves.

> >

> > For the activity of segmentation(varga) to take

> place

> > we basically need the luminaries. The dwadasha

> rashis

> > owe their existence to the luminaries and their

> > unison. What is known as one in terms of brahmanda

> is

> > known as 12 in pindanda.

> >

> > When a conscious decision is taken to look at the

> > zodiac into 4 parts in Brahmanda the same is echoed

> in

> > the pindanda also. The 4 manasa putras of Brahma

> rule

> > the 4 directions of the zodiac. What are the 4 basic

> > directions. They are East, South, West and North and

> > ruled by Agni, Pritvi, Vayu and Jala. Extending this

> > logic of brahmanda to pindanda we have manasaputras

> of

> > Brahma ruling the 4 parts of a sign. This means each

> > sign is a brahma. In other words being Brahma is

> > nothing but a realised unison of tatvas. We have

> > already seen that realisation of tatva personifies

> the

> > tatva into deva. Turiya is the 4th state. This means

> > the unison of personalities who have realised all

> > their tatva potencies is Brahma. Now comes the

> > question of who will or can do this unison. Which is

> > that tatva which can unite all other tatvas? It is

> > akasha is it not? It is Dakshinaamurthy who is

> akasha

> > personified who can do this job. That's why we see

> the

> > 4 manasa putras seated in front and at the feet of

> the

> > Lord Dakshinaamoorthy. With this background if we

> look

> > from pindanda to brahmanda, the urge to sing SARVAM

> > BHRAMAMAYAM rises.

>

> [bharat Start]

> The Akasha tatva is again an imagined tatva. It cannot

> signify Lord

> Dakshinaamoorthy, who himself is all Consciousness.

> The four disciples

> are already discussed above and therefore they relate

> to four

> principles of knowledge. The Lord Dakshinamoorthy with

> four disciples

> show the 4 help you realize unqualified Consciousness

> Sat Chit Ananda.

>

> [bharat End Part V]

>

> > i shall stop here as the mail has become lengthier.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> >

> > --- bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Ramanarayan

> >

> > Just one thought in your post to Sri Narasimha.

> Turiya

> > is a state of

> > being or realization and it cannot be related to the

> > tatvas.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > vedic astrology, rama

> narayanan

> > <sree88ganesha> wrote:

> > >

> > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha,

> > >

> > > Namaste. That's good one.

> > >

> > > The word Medha means retentiveness (of memory)/

> > > retentive faculty. The Lord Siva is called as

> > > Smarahara. The word Smara connotes remembrance as

> > well

> > > as the God of Love/Kama while the word Hara

> connotes

> > > removing/taking away. The power of Medha sustained

> > by

> > > the tatva Jala, is evaporated by Agni at the time

> of

> > > death. The Lord Maheswara applies the basma/ashes

> as

> > > an act of taking back that super superior power

> and

> > > returns it back as agni. Mars representing this

> agni

> > > directs the jeeva to Mrityu loka. The deathless

> > yogis

> > > who are blessed with trikalagyana are all in line

> > with

> > > the illumination of this Medha.

> > >

> > > The turyamsa which you talked about indeed has

> > deeper

> > > meanings. The four divisions of the zodiac can be

> > > broadly classified as agni trikonas, earthy

> > trikonas,

> > > vayu trikonas and jala trikonas. The four manasa

> > > putras are linked to the four levels of

> > consciousness

> > > known as jagrat, swapna, sushupti and turya. Agni

> > > trikonas relate to jagrat state(Sanaka), earthy

> > > trikonas relate to state of swapna(Sanatana), vayu

> > > trikona relates to Nidra/sushupti(Kumara) and jala

> > > trikonas relate to Turya(Sananda). The word bhagya

> > > means fate/destiny/ luck/fortune. i am awaiting to

> > > hear from you in this regard Narasimha.

> > >

> > > In Tirussur in Kerala there is temple for

> > > 'vadakkunatha'. Here Vadakku means North and Natha

> > > means the Lord. That means Lord from the North

> > meaning

> > > Pasupatinath. It is said that this temple owes its

> > > existence on account of Adishankara. i shall tell

> > you

> > > the story in brief. Mother Aryamba and Father

> > Sivaguru

> > > did not have any issue for a long time. They went

> > > around on a pilgrimage and reached the holy

> kshetra

> > of

> > > Pasupatinath in Nepal. There the Mother Aryamba

> had

> > a

> > > dream of the Lord asking her to perform

> anabhisheka

> > > with a ghee which does not melt for progeny. She

> > told

> > > this dream to her husband Sivaguru who told her

> that

> > > there was some message behind this dream. They

> > bought

> > > a cow and offered prayers to Gopala. Having milked

> > the

> > > cow they processed the same and brought out the

> > ghee.

> > > With prayers in their hearts they poured this ghee

> > on

> > > the Lord with the firm faith that the Lord would

> > > freeze it. The Lord pleased with their faith and

> > > devotion made the ghee freeze on its own and

> blessed

> > > them with the birth of famous Shankara. They

> ivited

> > > the Lord to come to South and when the Lord came

> > they

> > > constructed a temple and named the Moorthy as

> > > 'Vaddukunathar'.

> > >

> > > i wanted to mention about this 'uttaramurthy'

> also.

> > > Here there is a small message. What is the need to

> > > worship the Lord with a frozen ghee? The

> > > prithivi/earth yields grass which is consumed by

> > the

> > > Cow. This is converted into blood which becomes

> the

> > > milk. This milk is converted into curd which then

> is

> > > converted into butter which ultimately becomes

> ghee.

> > > This ghee is nothing but the 7th transformed state

> > of

> > > the original prithvi.

> > >

> > > If we observe closely we understand that Aryambal

> > > actually transferred her frozen state of putra

> > bhagya

> > > into a Sivalinga and offered her sincere prayer

> > which

> > > brought out the fertile mercy of the Lord leading

> to

> > > the birth of the famous son Shankara.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the length.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards.

> > >

> > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > >

> > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Pranaam Sanjay and Rama Narayanan,

> > > >

> > > > That was an illuminating discussion. The

> > discussion

> > > > on Kala Chakra is very interesting!

> > > >

> > > > I just want to add my 2 cents regarding the

> > meaning

> > > > of "Medha Dakshinamurthy".

> > > >

> > > > Dakshina not only means "south" as you are

> > > > discussing, but it means "right" (opposite of

> > > > "left") too. Of course, when one faces east,

> one's

> > > > right hand side is in the southern direction and

> > > > that may be why the right hand is called

> "dakshina

> > > > hastam".

> > > >

> > > > Medha means intelligence. What is the seat of

> > > > intelligence? Normally we consider the brain as

> > the

> > > > seat of intelligence. Dakshinaamurthy is

> > > > dakshina+amurthy. Amurthy means a formless

> entity.

> > > > So "Medha Dakshinaamurthy" may be roughly

> > translated

> > > > as "the formless entity in the right brain".

> What

> > is

> > > > it?

> > > >

> > > > If we study the basics of yoga and modern

> > > > neuroscience, this can become clearer.

> > > >

> > > > The right half of the brain controls the left

> part

> > > > of the nervous system and the left half of the

> > brain

> > > > controls the right part of the nervous system.

> > There

> > > > is a cross over in the medulla. Though Lord

> Medha

> > > > Dakshinamurthy's name is associated with the

> right

> > > > side (dakshina), he is depicted as sitting with

> > his

> > > > left (vaama) leg up.

> > > >

> > > > Modern science says that structured logic is

> > > > performed by the left half of the brain and

> > > > inutition and unstructured logic is performed in

> > the

> > > > right half of brain. That may be why left-handed

> > > > cricket batsmen tend to look more free-flowing,

> > > > intuitive and elegant (e.g. David Gower, WV

> Raman,

> > > > Brian Lara, Sourav Ganguly etc). The nervous

> > > > reflexes associated with left part of the body

> > (and

> > > > hence the right brain) are used by them more

> > > > pre-dominently and hence the reflexes are more

> > > > intuitive.

> > > >

> > > > In Yoga, the nervous channels of Pingala and Ida

> > are

> > > > associated with fire and water (Sun and Moon).

> In

> > > > terms of modern terminology, they correspond to

> > > > sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.

> > One

> > > > system plays a stimulating (fiery) role and the

> > > > other plays a soothing (watery) role. Structured

> > > > logic is fiery in nature and unstructured

> > intuition

> > > > is watery in nature.

> > > >

> > > > Medha Dakshinamurthy is depicted as a guru who

> > > > teaches without speaking a word. He sits in

> jnaana

> > > > mudra in silence and knowledge comes

> > automatically.

> > > > This seems to point at the intuition within us,

> > > > which taps to the universal source of knowledge!

> > > > This intuition that contributes to unstructured

> > > > learning is "the formless entity of the right

> > brain"

> > > > and it gives us knowledge thru silence. Medha

> > > > Dakshinamurthy is stationed in our right brain

> as

> > > > the formless entity called intuition and teaches

> > us

> > > > everything.

> > > >

> > > > Lord Medha Dakshinamurthy is often portrayed as

> > > > teaching to four youthful sons of Brahma, who

> > > > epitomize spiritual purity - Sanaka, Sananda,

> > > > Sanatana and Sanatkumara. These are the rulers

> of

> > > > the four chaturthamsas of signs (like dasa

> > > > dikpalakas for dasamsa). I have always felt that

> > > > Chaturthamsa (D-4) is not used to its fullest by

> > > > most astrologers. Chaturthamsa shows "bhagya"

> > > > according to Parasara. If one restricts "bhagya"

> > to

> > > > the residence, one cannot understand why

> > > > chaturthamsas are ruled by these four Kumaras.

> > > > Anyway, I will write my thoughts on what these

> > four

> > > > Kumaras symbolize and also the chaturthamsa

> links

> > in

> > > > an email later.

> > > >

> > > > One thought before I finish. Many beejaksharas

> > (seed

> > > > syllables) used in mantras have rakaara or

> > lakaara,

> > > > which activate/feed the sympathetic and

> > > > parasympathetic channels. Ra is fiery and La is

> > > > watery. For example, "Kreem" and "Kleem" have

> > > > totally different purposes, though they are very

> > > > similar. Similarly, "Shreem" and "Shleem" have

> > > > totally different purposes. Ancient Hindu sages

> > and

> > > > Yogis carefully studied and chronicled the

> impact

> > of

> > > > various sounds on various subtle energy

> channels.

> > > > Today, people look at mantra sastra as some kind

> > of

> > > > magic that helps one fulfil cheap material

> desires

> > > > and they forget the most essential basics of

> > mantra

> > > > sastra. The ultimate purpose of mantra and

> tantra

> > is

> > > > to control oneself and rise spiritually.

> > > >

> > > > Let me end this rather long-winding rambling

> with

> > a

> > > > beejakshara that can activate the right brain.

> Try

> > > > meditating on the beeja "dhleem" in jnaana mudra

> > for

> > > > a few hours and you'll see the difference!

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> >

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> > > >

> > > > varahamihira, "Sanjay

> Rath"

> > > > <guruji@s...> wrote:

> > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > > Dear Ram Narayan

> > > > There are some concepts we need to be clear

> about

> > > > first. I am adding

> > > > comments below your mail.

> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Sanjay Rath

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> > > > rama narayanan [

> <sree88ganesha>

> > > > sree88ganesha]

> > > > Friday, May 20, 2005 8:38 AM

> > > > varahamihira

> > > > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: My shloka

> > > >

> > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sanjay, Visti, Hari & Prabhakaran,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste. Please refer the previous mail in

> > > > connection with Ista and Mantra.

> > > > Visti had a question about usage of Mantra

> > > > addressing Kartikeya as Ista.

> > > > Sanjay had stated that he preferred Ista to be

> > > > Sowmya and that if Kartikeya

> > > > Mantra is to be given, then an additional beeja

> > > > relating to removal of

> > > > poison may be added.

> > > >

> > > > Now we see a mail coming up in the form of a

> > > > 'Dakshinamoorthy Shloka' by

> > > > Narasimha(Mars). i was wondering the way the

> > > > Almighty carefully takes up

> > > > each wave of vibration and strokes it

> > > > affectionately!

> > > >

> > > > Mars is extremely comfortable in South/dakshin.

> > > > Makara is the exaltation

> > > > sthana of Mars where dakshinayana ends and

> > > > uttarayana begins. Makara is the

> > > > kshetra where Guru expresses himself through

> > Mars.

> > > > Mars reminds me of

> > > > Dakshinamoorthy. You may feel as to why Yama

> > should

> > > > be linked to

> > > > Dakshinamoorthy! Yama the controller is

> > > > dharmaswaroopi. Gyana means complete

> > > > transformation(8th house related activity -

> > > > Vimsamsa).

> > > >

> > > > <<Rath: The Kalachakra directions are based on

> > *who

> > > > blocks what* or on *who

> > > > controls what*. Thats what Kala is all about.

> The

> > NE

> > > > direction has the

> > > > digbala of Jupiterwhereas Rahu sits in the NE

> > > > doorway in the Kalachakra. So

> > > > naturally Rahu's job is to block the access or

> > path

> > > > to Guru. Similarly Mars

> > > > has the digbala or fighting and killing strength

> > > > (Mrityu is the son of Mars)

> > > > in the southern direction and the God of Peace

> > > > Jupiter/Guru has the power to

> > > > block or control this destruction and is made to

> > sit

> > > > in the southern

> > > > direction. This powerful form of the Guru that

> > > > blocks death and destruction

> > > > is Dakshinamurthy and this is not Mars but

> > Jupiter.

> > > >

> > > > Yama is not linked to Dakshinamurthy in any way

> to

> > > > the best of my knowledge.

> > > > Yama is the God of death and is linked to Saturn

> > and

> > > > as you have pointed out

> > > > this direction is also linked to the sign

> > Capricorn

> > > > which ruled burial

> > > > grounds and burning ghats for dead bodies. Hence

> > > > Yama is linked to southern

> > > > direction due to the *sign* Capricorn which

> rules

> > > > the places for the dead.

> > > > Similarly Indra the king of the Gods sits in the

> > > > eastern

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> > >

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