Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Dear Shri Ramnarayanan ji Thanks a lot for your kindness in explaining all these in such detail. As the most important dhan,i understand vidya has to be hidden.8th Bhava has one of its indications as death.As you have said before, death is a transformation.Transformation can occur only due to new understandings or revelations.Thus one has to find his way to this hidden treasure at some point of time. Now for the rest of the mail my understanding has been partial. Regarding Brahmanda and Pindanda,i have the following understanding.These are just my thoughts and kindly correct me. What is perceived by the mind is Pindanda,ie the one seen because of Maya.What is perceived, when the mind is no more, is brahamanda.As in dance when the body and mind becomes one.As in music when the mind is not aware of the singing process or in otherwords the song is not aware of the mind-a perfect understanding of brahmanda occurs. The complete perception of adwaita. Regarding the 12 Rashis unison of sun and moon as a cause is helpful.Sun being the energy and Moon the Manas or mind to make the creation possible. Thanks for the clue of prana and vighati.From vighati to ghati or vinazhika to nazhika this number of 24 is still continuing. One day consists of 8 Yamas.4 yamas of Pakal and 4 Rathri.Each Yama is 3 hours making the full duration as 24 Hours. Now regarding measure of time and division of signs i have the following understanding. One is Kaalahora which consists of 24 hours as you have mentioned and as 1/3rd of a yaama as said above. Twentyfour segments of zodiac.24 is representing Kalahora a measure of time and is used in the calculation of shadbala.Each hour being a Hora. Another Hora is the division of signs according to shodasha vargas.Sun controls rashis from Leo until makara,the aagneya rashis.Moon controls from Cancer until Kumbha,saumya rashis. Mercury being the prince is allotted the next rashis on both sides.Venus the minister the next two,Mars the commander the next two,Jupiter the minister the next two and Saturn the bhritya the reamining two respectively from two sides of sun and moon.It follows the planetary positions in heaven as well. Thus this Hora is a further distribution of power/administration between Sun and Moon.Irrespective of aagneya or saumya,they control one half. So is the further divisions of sign.Every planet is given control of a section (drekkana,navamsha etc) within the domain of another planet or its own. Kindly correct me. The position of sun ,Moon and other planets with respect to lagna is representing the evolutionary stage of soul.This is again a mirror image in the visible world. Thus i am not sure how we can merge Pindanda and Brahmanda while trying to decipher the indications of this maya world(pindanda).Is Jyotish just a tool for transition?. In your mail the coding for Bhavas was mentioned as 44.I did not understand why 3 rounds of zodiac or 36 was expunged to arrive at 8. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Vijayadas, > > Namaste. i was wondering why your reply did not reach > me. i believe there was some server problem. Okay that > has been set right now. What is that hint about Vidya > Dhan my dear?! > > OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA. > > Do you have some space in your board for me to write > something? i hope so. > > The word Bhava stands for the number 44 as per > katapayadi varga. When you expunge 36 the reminder is > 8. Now the question arises as to why should we expunge > 36? > > The brahmanda or the cosmos is one. How do we > understand the cosmos in its entirety? Is there a way > out? > > We stay in this bhoo loka called otherwise called as > Mrityu loka. We understand that the earth rotates a nd > we also know the luminaries and on account of which > the day/night division is also understood. Let us > place Sun and Moon in the first degrees of Aswini and > commence our observation. By the time the Sun reaches > 27 degrees we find the Moon having completed the > zodiacal revoultion once. By the time Sun reaches the > 30th degree we find the Moon also catching up Sun. So > from the first unison to the second unison it has > taken for the Sun to move a space arc of 30 degrees. > Thus if the Sun has to cover 360 degrees then it would > result in 12 such unisons. By the time we understand > the brahmanda in full we would have had 12 such > unisons of Sun & Moon. Mark the unisons as pinda. We > therefore have 12 pindas to understand one brahma. > With the help of Sivasakthi aiyakya swaroopas we > understand the cosmos in its entirety. This Sivasakthi > aiykya swaroopa is personified as Nataraja - a > combination of static state and dyanamic state - an > apparently still posture representing the height of > velocity. This makes one thing clear that the 12 > divisions of zodiac owes its existance to Sivasakthi > aiykyam/unison of luminaries. > > Rashi means cluster of stars. To undersand the > dwadasha rashis we need to understand the unisons of > Sun and Moon. The cosmic life principle is infact > understood by this unison. The junction of Ida and > pingala is called as the suksumna. This sukshmna is > infact the bhava based on which brahmopadesa is given > at the time of upanayana(investiture of sacred thread > - 3 threads tied together at a joint called as > Bhrama). The mantra that is given as upadesa at the > time of investiture is called as Savitur Gayathri > otherwise called as Bhrama gayathri. This mantra has > 24 aksharas. These 24 aksharas infact represent the > measure of kaala. It takes 4 seconds for one prana > which means it takes 6 pranas to make one vighati > which is the base for gender differentiation. > > We now want to divide the zodiac into two halves one > belonging to Sun and one belonging to Moon. The Solar > half is represented by the arc from Leo to Capricorn > while the Lunar half is represented by the arc from > Kataka to Kumba. Whenever a decision is taken in the > brahmanda the same is echoed in the pindanda. This > means we now have 24 segments based on our original > mathematics that one brahma is equal to 12 pindas. > > This means if we want to look at the zodiac into 60 > segments we would have 720 segments for which the > adhara is the movement of Sun and Moon. > > As the division of the brahmanda increases it becomes > cumbersome. Is there a way to understand the cosmos in > an easier way? The Lord gives us the solution. Just as > the cornor of a sweatmeat contains the sweatness of > the entire sweat similarly the pindas can throw light > on the adhara. The beeja contains the essence of the > vriksha. > > Bhava has been referred earlier as the mark of unison > of Sun and Moon. The 12 pindas help to explain the > brahma in whole. Whether it is creation or procreation > the unison of the parents(Sivasakthi) is essential. To > understand the cosmos in its entirety, to understand > the paramatma the parambhava has to be necessarily > superimposed in the ahambhava. Once this > superimposition has taken place then it would be > easier to understand the pinda which would then easily > pave the way for understanding the Bhrama. > > Now coming back to the original understanding of Bhava > as 8 after expunging 36 which is nothing but 3 > zodiacal rounds of 12 pindas. If we use the word pindi > instead of pindas then we would be having > dwadasajyothir lingas. What does this 8 refer to? > > Rest in next. > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan ji > > As vidya dhan is important than all other,your analogy > of > Kubera/treasure/hidden is insightful.But is Kubera and > Budha > specifically related because of trade/money etc. > Jarasandha example showing karaka parivartana effect > is very good.Thus > can i assume grahas cannot be marked as bad due to > Maranakaraka > position alone. > I think your mail is pointing towards the importance > of mutual > dispositions or tranfer/parivartana to make the > effects full. > Like interchange preventing reunion of Jarasandhas > torn portions. > > I have more doubts.Sun when placed in first will give > karaka bhava > naash results. > Under Bhagya gogas,i have read that,the graha which is > in the 12th > from Lagna will give bhagya according to its > karakatwa. > Thus sun as karaka for lagna,father etc should give > bhagya for those > matters?.Thus the point made regarding karaka > parivartana makes > matters more clear. > > Respect > Pradeep > vedic astrology, rama narayanan > <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > Dear Vijayadas, > > > > Namaste. Buda comes under the domain of Kubera whose > > sampath is akin to treasure. You know treasure is > > always hidden and seekers of treasure are ruled by > > matsarya a weakness blessed by Buda. > > > > As regards marana karaka sthana you think of > > Jarasandha and his death. Bhima tore him apart > number > > of times but everytime he did that the torn portions > > attached easily and Jarasanda was back with full > > vigour. It was Krsna who suggested Bhima to change > the > > positions of torn portions as wrong sides do not > > attract/attach. Take the karakatwa of planets. > Karaka > > for 1st house is Sun while the karaka of 12th house > is > > Sani. When you place Sun and Sani in 12th house and > > 1st house respectively they face a situation similar > > to that of Jarasandha - a marana karaka avastha is > it > > not! > > > > There is great deal of knowledge involved in this > > karaka parivartana. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear respected members > > > > In local parlance there is a saying -''Maranja > Budhan > > Niranju > > nalkum''.It means hidden budha will give in > > full.Hidden houses may be > > 8,6.Also 12? > > I feel mercury being a quick planet may get > distracted > > easily. > > Hence himslef in a hidden position(i feel kendras > are > > the most exposed > > areas with respect to our lagna or > oursleves.Trikonas > > may be the > > additional or boosting areas. > > When budha is less distracted ,he can oncentrate > well > > and give good > > vidya.This is my personal understanding of the > > quotation and seek > > learned members opinion. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > "SuryaViswanadham" > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Samal, > > > > > > The discussion is about a definition. Is Mer said > to > > be in MKS in the > > > 4th or in anyother house. The Q is something > > simmilar to whether Jup > > > is putrakaraka or some other planet? > > > > > > > > > That is the case here. If you can quote anything > > with references to > > > classical texts, it will be useful for the > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know how Mer was born to Chandra & Tara - you > > know the story?) > > > > > > regards > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "psamal25" > > <psamal25> > > > wrote: > > > > Person with Mercury in 4th should be a mother's > > pet. Afterall which > > > > mother will not like a son inclined to earn > > knowledge rather than > > > > wondering around. However, do people study > better > > in home comfort > > > or > > > > they study better in a school/hostel/gurukul? > The > > distraction from > > > > getting the best of knowledges makes such a > person > > unsatisfied. > > > > I also read somewhere, 10th house and 4th house > > are like king and > > > > minister for the lagnesh. Even if we the king is > > weak a strong and > > > > inteligent minister will definitely help the > > subject. > > > > > > > > Having talked about 4th Mercury, can we say > > Mercury in other houses > > > > is better? I don't think so. We need a complete > > view of a chart. My > > > > langesh budha in Leo does not give me the best > > perception and > > > > intelegence I wish to have. Why? It is aspected > by > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > P. Samal > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I think there can be so many things which can > > modify "merc in 4th" > > > > > results. I dont know much of the astrology, > But > > In my case, For > > > > Libra > > > > > lagna, I have merc (9L-12L) placed in 4th > along > > with exalted > > > > > Mars(2L-7L). There is also parivartan of 4L > Sani > > (in 9th)with 9L > > > > > merc(in 4th). Also, In navamsha merc is again > in > > 4th along with > > > > > exalted moon (which happens to be my AK or in > > this case as its > > > > > navamsha, 'Karakamsa'). With all this, I have > > been told, My coming > > > > > merc mahadasa will be good. I should expect > some > > leadership > > > > > opportunities coming as merc is with exalted > > mars forming Ruchak > > > > Yoga > > > > > and gains in foreign land and happiniess. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > - Kaushik. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > "sanjayprabhakaran" > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote: > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > Good point you mentioned Jyataka Parijata > on > > this, Vidyanatha > > > > calls > > > > > > it Viphala Or Fruitless position. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, When you mentioned Mercury Dasa and > > Mercury in 4th. My > > > > take > > > > > > is that all that's mentioned by Sages do > come > > right. But, A BIG > > > > BUT > > > > > > here, the point is When?! will it come > true?. > > The timing is > > > > > > essential. All that mentioned need not come > > true in the whole > > > > dasa. > > > > > > Mercury's results in 4th will come only in > > last part of the > > > > dasa,If he > > > > > > is benefic. And if malefic then in the > first > > part of the dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > But Viphala or fruitless to whom? is the > next > > question you have > > > to > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > "SuryaViswanadham" > > > > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal & Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not much worried about logic, i've > Mer > > in the 4th and > > > the > > > > dasa > > > > > > > is running (lot of learning is taking > place, > > but i am not > > > happy > > > > > > > because i want to get out and do my bit, > > which is not > > > > happening). > > > > > > > Also, Jataka Parijata gives that Mer is > bad > > in the 4th (in > > > COVA > > > > > > > Sanjay also says that as per some experts > > 4th is a bad > > > > placement for > > > > > > > Mer (could be a hint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha can learn from the horse's mouth > and > > enlighten us. > > > i'll > > > > > > > certainly be happy to learn that Mer is > not > > bad in the 4th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > "utpal pathak" > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also have a v.good counter logic. > but > > most of the > > > > students > > > > > > > > (children) will not like when they are > > asked to study at > > > home > > > > then > > > > > > > > playing outside. i think that's Unhappy > > situation for Budha > > > > but as > > > > > > > > you said it may not be totally bad such > as > > 'Maran Karka' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > Partha Sarathy > > > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir > > > > > > > > > Mercury is a student, he is vidya > > karaka. I can > > > understand > > > > that > > > > > > > > he rules > > > > > > > > > play and playgrounds, but that is what > > kids do. But they > > > > also > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to study > > > > > > > > > to get good marks. This is not an > > acceptable logic to > > > kill > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > fourth. > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/25/05, SuryaViswanadham > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his mp3 audio lessons, PVR did > > mention this as a > > > > private > > > > > > > > lesson from > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Ji . Mercury wants to get out > > and play, 4th type > > > > of > > > > > > > > sitting and > > > > > > > > > > reading (learning ) is not liked by > > Mer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how i understood it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy > > > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag > > > > > > > > > > > Can you point out the mail message > > number where he > > > said > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > vedic- > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Vijayadas, Thank you for quick response. i am happy you have given me some space in your board for writing. Gyana is not only knowledge it is knowledge + transformation. By the time you come to know in toto of the Lord you will find yourself to be the Lord. So it is not the question of acquisition but being. This Para Gyana is represented by 8. As per katapayadhi varga Bhava is represented by two letters Bha + Va. Bha is indicated by the number 4 and Va is indicated by the number 4. By putting these two numbers together we get the number 44. The next step is to reverse the numbers and divide it by 12(12 rashis) to find the rashi indicated by the remainder. Here even if we reverse the number it remains as 44. If we divide by 12 we get the remainder as 8. The 8th Bhava counted zodiacally from Aries is Vrischika while the 8th Bhava counted antizodiacally from Vrischika is Aries. This means the tail and mouth coincides or in simple terms the beginning also connotes the end and end also connotes beginning. It is only the 8th bhava that can give the complete knowledge known as Gyana which is knowledge + realisation bundled in one. Let us go further. We had a decision to understand the cosmos in its entirety. In all eagerness we tried to gulp the big mango in one attempt. The mango is too big, rather our mouth is too small. This means little by little we can consume the whole. This attempt for consuming the whole, little by little and relishing the whole, in every little bite we make, is called as Para gyana. Sun is Para and Moon is the expression of Para. Let us stop calling Moon as Maya as the word Maya may take you elsewhere. Let us mark all those areas where the para and the expression of para merges. Let us construct a temple of Jyotirlinga as a mark of respect of that jeevasamadhi(merger of para and expression of para). We now have 12 such Jyotirlingas representing the creation as a whole. Let us make a small pilgrimage of the Jyotirlingas. Are you ready? "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO RAMESWARAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO SOMANATHAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO NAGESWARAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO OMKAARESWARAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO GRISHNESHWARAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO MALIKARJUNAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO MAHAKAALESWARAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO VAIDYANATHAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO VISWANATHAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO KEDARANATHAAYA" "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO TRIYAMBAKESWARAAYA" Thank God we have completed the pilgrimage. By the end of pilgrimage if we are expecting the doors of the Lord to open without any transformation within us then we are to be disappointed. It is not a simple 12 round affair. Having completed 12 the doors of the 1st one is not opened straight away. Instead we are drawn by a greater force to reach the 8th Jyotirlinga - Vaidyanathaya (the doctor who should give the treatment for the Bava roga). Once we have received that call then the force in the reverse is the force of the Ista and is beyond the control of AK. It is self withdrawal. This anti clockwise inner journey comes to a halt as soon we reach the starting jyotirlinga. It is not necessary for every soul to commence the journey in zodiacal fashion from Mesha as told earlier. There are jeevas which are to commence their journeys from Vrischika i.e. from Vaidyanatha kshetra. Here the journey is anti clockwise. Here again it is not easier as the jeeva reaches Dhanur kshetra. From Dhanur the jeeva is drawn rather pulled to Mesha where the gati is reversed and the jeeva is pushed to its original abode of Vrischika. In respect of both these journeys jeevas are to travel 20 rashis for the purpose of attainment of complete knowledge. The twenty steps can be split into two parts of 12 and 8. Here 12 represents the minimum required unit of measurement for Sadhana and 8 represents the unit of measurement of Adhi taala by which the jeeva attains the status of Adhi. Here i am reminded of the holy Varanasi where the manikarnika ghat is ever burning and the Mother who is ever ready to serve food called affectionately as Annapoorani. The ghat reminds of Ekadasha rudras while Annapoorani reminds of dwadasi anna dhana.This gives a hint of vratha on Ekadashi day and anna dana on dwadashi day can lead to that stage of transformation if practised regularly for a period of 12 months if not for a continuous period of 12 years. The second message is that the smashan(8th house)a place where the power of memory is erased can be used to reinforce our faith in the power of the Almighty and to burn our Ak and its allied forces while dwelling in the AL/shareera by atleast offering 12 pranas to the Lord as unplucked parijatha. Try to figure out this in the bha chakra. Travel zodiacally from Mesha and reach Meena. From Meena reach out Vrischika and continue the circle antizodiacally. Now do this exercise from Vrischika and reach Dhanur antizodiacally and reach out Mesha from Dhanur and travel zodiacally to reach Vrischika. You will find a Rekha cutting across the cosmic egg otherwise known as bana linga. Does this look like a story written by me? You can find this bana linga with Swarna Rekha in Kollur - Mookambiga kshetra - a replica. The force 8 is not to be neglected and with the above understanding you can easily figure out that of all the vargas vimsamsa is the most potential one. Vimsamsa represents the varga of 20 segments(12+8). Here you will find all the deities enumerated by the Sage as Sakthi swaroopa as without Sakthi sadhana it is not possible to realise the Para Siva as it is after all the Mother who is the one who can introduce us to the Father is it not?! Let us come back to the main topic Bhava. For understanding the cosmos in its enitirety we segmented the zodiac into 12 PARA LAYAS or MAHA BHAVAS or BHAVA SAMADHIS. Lagna is that particular time when a jeeva has manifested. Manifestation is also called as Bhava. Taking the manifested 'dhi'(lagna)in the background of jyotirlinga/rashi entire cosmos is understood by finding a relation with the other jyotirlingas. This first upachara is called as the rashi upachara. You are aware that the deities are given shodasa upachara. You are aware that every varga is governed by deities and that no differentiation can be made in the treatment that is meted out to rashi and the varga. Vargas and shodasa upacharas. 1.Rasi - Asanam( offer seat) 2.Hora - Padyam(wash the feet) 3.Dreshkana - Argyam(wash the hands) 4.Turyamsha - Achamaneeyam(offer water to drink) 5.Saptamsha - Madhuparkam(offer sweet mixture/sweet dairy products) 6.Navamsha - Sudhodhakasnanam(offer water for bath) 7.Dashamansha - Vastram(offer cloth to wear) 8.Dwadashamsha - Yagyopavitham(Offering sacred threads) 9.Shodashamsha - Abharanam(ornaments) 10.Vimshamsha - Gandam(offer sandalwood paste) 11.Chaturvimshamsha-Pushpam(offer flowers for archana and as garland) 12.Bhamsha - Dhoopam (offer incense) 13.Trimsamsha - Dheepam (offerlights) 14.Kavedamsha - Naivedyam(offer food items and fruits) 15.Akshavedamsha - Tamboolam(offer betel leaves and nuts) 16.Shastyamsha - Anu upachara(offer all and make him happy starting from footwear(paduka), umbrella(chatra), two types of fans called as chamara and vyajana,mirror(darpana), songs(geetha), dances(nruthya), instrumental music(vadya), swing(andolika) etc.,). Let me stop here now for the time being and proceed further after your response. Best wishes. "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA".... Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Shri Ramnarayanan ji > > Thanks a lot for your kindness in explaining all these in such detail. > As the most important dhan,i understand vidya has to be hidden.8th > Bhava has one of its indications as death.As you have said before, > death is a transformation.Transformation can occur only due to new > understandings or revelations.Thus one has to find his way to this > hidden treasure at some point of time. > > Now for the rest of the mail my understanding has been partial. > Regarding Brahmanda and Pindanda,i have the following > understanding.These are just my thoughts and kindly correct me. > What is perceived by the mind is Pindanda,ie the one seen because of > Maya.What is perceived, when the mind is no more, is brahamanda.As in > dance when the body and mind becomes one.As in music when the mind is > not aware of the singing process or in otherwords the song is not > aware of the mind-a perfect understanding of brahmanda occurs. > The complete perception of adwaita. > > Regarding the 12 Rashis unison of sun and moon as a cause is > helpful.Sun being the energy and Moon the Manas or mind to make the > creation possible. > > Thanks for the clue of prana and vighati.From vighati to ghati or > vinazhika to nazhika this number of 24 is still continuing. > One day consists of 8 Yamas.4 yamas of Pakal and 4 Rathri.Each Yama is > 3 hours making the full duration as 24 Hours. > > Now regarding measure of time and division of signs i have the > following understanding. > One is Kaalahora which consists of 24 hours as you have mentioned and > as 1/3rd of a yaama as said above. > Twentyfour segments of zodiac.24 is representing Kalahora a measure of > time and is used in the calculation of shadbala.Each hour being a Hora. > > Another Hora is the division of signs according to shodasha vargas.Sun > controls rashis from Leo until makara,the aagneya rashis.Moon controls > from Cancer until Kumbha,saumya rashis. > Mercury being the prince is allotted the next rashis on both > sides.Venus the minister the next two,Mars the commander the next > two,Jupiter the minister the next two and Saturn the bhritya the > reamining two respectively from two sides of sun and moon.It follows > the planetary positions in heaven as well. > Thus this Hora is a further distribution of power/administration > between Sun and Moon.Irrespective of aagneya or saumya,they control > one half. > So is the further divisions of sign.Every planet is given control of a > section (drekkana,navamsha etc) within the domain of another planet or > its own. > > Kindly correct me. > > The position of sun ,Moon and other planets with respect to lagna is > representing the evolutionary stage of soul.This is again a mirror > image in the visible world. > Thus i am not sure how we can merge Pindanda and Brahmanda while > trying to decipher the indications of this maya world(pindanda).Is > Jyotish just a tool for transition?. > > In your mail the coding for Bhavas was mentioned as 44.I did not > understand why 3 rounds of zodiac or 36 was expunged to arrive at 8. > > > Respect > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, rama narayanan > <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > Dear Vijayadas, > > > > Namaste. i was wondering why your reply did not reach > > me. i believe there was some server problem. Okay that > > has been set right now. What is that hint about Vidya > > Dhan my dear?! > > > > OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA. > > > > Do you have some space in your board for me to write > > something? i hope so. > > > > The word Bhava stands for the number 44 as per > > katapayadi varga. When you expunge 36 the reminder is > > 8. Now the question arises as to why should we expunge > > 36? > > > > The brahmanda or the cosmos is one. How do we > > understand the cosmos in its entirety? Is there a way > > out? > > > > We stay in this bhoo loka called otherwise called as > > Mrityu loka. We understand that the earth rotates a > > > nd > > we also know the luminaries and on account of which > > the day/night division is also understood. Let us > > place Sun and Moon in the first degrees of Aswini and > > commence our observation. By the time the Sun reaches > > 27 degrees we find the Moon having completed the > > zodiacal revoultion once. By the time Sun reaches the > > 30th degree we find the Moon also catching up Sun. So > > from the first unison to the second unison it has > > taken for the Sun to move a space arc of 30 degrees. > > Thus if the Sun has to cover 360 degrees then it would > > result in 12 such unisons. By the time we understand > > the brahmanda in full we would have had 12 such > > unisons of Sun & Moon. Mark the unisons as pinda. We > > therefore have 12 pindas to understand one brahma. > > With the help of Sivasakthi aiyakya swaroopas we > > understand the cosmos in its entirety. This Sivasakthi > > aiykya swaroopa is personified as Nataraja - a > > combination of static state and dyanamic state - an > > apparently still posture representing the height of > > velocity. This makes one thing clear that the 12 > > divisions of zodiac owes its existance to Sivasakthi > > aiykyam/unison of luminaries. > > > > Rashi means cluster of stars. To undersand the > > dwadasha rashis we need to understand the unisons of > > Sun and Moon. The cosmic life principle is infact > > understood by this unison. The junction of Ida and > > pingala is called as the suksumna. This sukshmna is > > infact the bhava based on which brahmopadesa is given > > at the time of upanayana(investiture of sacred thread > > - 3 threads tied together at a joint called as > > Bhrama). The mantra that is given as upadesa at the > > time of investiture is called as Savitur Gayathri > > otherwise called as Bhrama gayathri. This mantra has > > 24 aksharas. These 24 aksharas infact represent the > > measure of kaala. It takes 4 seconds for one prana > > which means it takes 6 pranas to make one vighati > > which is the base for gender differentiation. > > > > We now want to divide the zodiac into two halves one > > belonging to Sun and one belonging to Moon. The Solar > > half is represented by the arc from Leo to Capricorn > > while the Lunar half is represented by the arc from > > Kataka to Kumba. Whenever a decision is taken in the > > brahmanda the same is echoed in the pindanda. This > > means we now have 24 segments based on our original > > mathematics that one brahma is equal to 12 pindas. > > > > This means if we want to look at the zodiac into 60 > > segments we would have 720 segments for which the > > adhara is the movement of Sun and Moon. > > > > As the division of the brahmanda increases it becomes > > cumbersome. Is there a way to understand the cosmos in > > an easier way? The Lord gives us the solution. Just as > > the cornor of a sweatmeat contains the sweatness of > > the entire sweat similarly the pindas can throw light > > on the adhara. The beeja contains the essence of the > > vriksha. > > > > Bhava has been referred earlier as the mark of unison > > of Sun and Moon. The 12 pindas help to explain the > > brahma in whole. Whether it is creation or procreation > > the unison of the parents(Sivasakthi) is essential. To > > understand the cosmos in its entirety, to understand > > the paramatma the parambhava has to be necessarily > > superimposed in the ahambhava. Once this > > superimposition has taken place then it would be > > easier to understand the pinda which would then easily > > pave the way for understanding the Bhrama. > > > > Now coming back to the original understanding of Bhava > > as 8 after expunging 36 which is nothing but 3 > > zodiacal rounds of 12 pindas. If we use the word pindi > > instead of pindas then we would be having > > dwadasajyothir lingas. What does this 8 refer to? > > > > Rest in next. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan ji > > > > As vidya dhan is important than all other,your analogy > > of > > Kubera/treasure/hidden is insightful.But is Kubera and > > Budha > > specifically related because of trade/money etc. > > Jarasandha example showing karaka parivartana effect > > is very good.Thus > > can i assume grahas cannot be marked as bad due to > > Maranakaraka > > position alone. > > I think your mail is pointing towards the importance > > of mutual > > dispositions or tranfer/parivartana to make the > > effects full. > > Like interchange preventing reunion of Jarasandhas > > torn portions. > > > > I have more doubts.Sun when placed in first will give > > karaka bhava > > naash results. > > Under Bhagya gogas,i have read that,the graha which is > > in the 12th > > from Lagna will give bhagya according to its > > karakatwa. > > Thus sun as karaka for lagna,father etc should give > > bhagya for those > > matters?.Thus the point made regarding karaka > > parivartana makes > > matters more clear. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, rama narayanan > > <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > Dear Vijayadas, > > > > > > Namaste. Buda comes under the domain of Kubera whose > > > sampath is akin to treasure. You know treasure is > > > always hidden and seekers of treasure are ruled by > > > matsarya a weakness blessed by Buda. > > > > > > As regards marana karaka sthana you think of > > > Jarasandha and his death. Bhima tore him apart > > number > > > of times but everytime he did that the torn portions > > > attached easily and Jarasanda was back with full > > > vigour. It was Krsna who suggested Bhima to change > > the > > > positions of torn portions as wrong sides do not > > > attract/attach. Take the karakatwa of planets. > > Karaka > > > for 1st house is Sun while the karaka of 12th house > > is > > > Sani. When you place Sun and Sani in 12th house and > > > 1st house respectively they face a situation similar > > > to that of Jarasandha - a marana karaka avastha is > > it > > > not! > > > > > > There is great deal of knowledge involved in this > > > karaka parivartana. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear respected members > > > > > > In local parlance there is a saying -''Maranja > > Budhan > > > Niranju > > > nalkum''.It means hidden budha will give in > > > full.Hidden houses may be > > > 8,6.Also 12? > > > I feel mercury being a quick planet may get > > distracted > > > easily. > > > Hence himslef in a hidden position(i feel kendras > > are > > > the most exposed > > > areas with respect to our lagna or > > oursleves.Trikonas > > > may be the > > > additional or boosting areas. > > > When budha is less distracted ,he can oncentrate > > well > > > and give good > > > vidya.This is my personal understanding of the > > > quotation and seek > > > learned members opinion. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "SuryaViswanadham" > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Samal, > > > > > > > > The discussion is about a definition. Is Mer said > > to > > > be in MKS in the > > > > 4th or in anyother house. The Q is something > > > simmilar to whether Jup > > > > is putrakaraka or some other planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the case here. If you can quote anything > > > with references to > > > > classical texts, it will be useful for the > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know how Mer was born to Chandra & Tara - you > > > know the story?) > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "psamal25" > > > <psamal25> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Person with Mercury in 4th should be a mother's > > > pet. Afterall which > > > > > mother will not like a son inclined to earn > > > knowledge rather than > > > > > wondering around. However, do people study > > better > > > in home comfort > > > > or > > > > > they study better in a school/hostel/gurukul? > > The > > > distraction from > > > > > getting the best of knowledges makes such a > > person > > > unsatisfied. > > > > > I also read somewhere, 10th house and 4th house > > > are like king and > > > > > minister for the lagnesh. Even if we the king is > > > weak a strong and > > > > > inteligent minister will definitely help the > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > Having talked about 4th Mercury, can we say > > > Mercury in other houses > > > > > is better? I don't think so. We need a complete > > > view of a chart. My > > > > > langesh budha in Leo does not give me the best > > > perception and > > > > > intelegence I wish to have. Why? It is aspected > > by > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > P. Samal > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there can be so many things which can > > > modify "merc in 4th" > > > > > > results. I dont know much of the astrology, > > But > > > In my case, For > > > > > Libra > > > > > > lagna, I have merc (9L-12L) placed in 4th > > along > > > with exalted > > > > > > Mars(2L-7L). There is also parivartan of 4L > > Sani > > > (in 9th)with 9L > > > > > > merc(in 4th). Also, In navamsha merc is again > > in > > > 4th along with > > > > > > exalted moon (which happens to be my AK or in > > > this case as its > > > > > > navamsha, 'Karakamsa'). With all this, I have > > > been told, My coming > > > > > > merc mahadasa will be good. I should expect > > some > > > leadership > > > > > > opportunities coming as merc is with exalted > > > mars forming Ruchak > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > and gains in foreign land and happiniess. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > - Kaushik. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "sanjayprabhakaran" > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > > Good point you mentioned Jyataka Parijata > > on > > > this, Vidyanatha > > > > > calls > > > > > > > it Viphala Or Fruitless position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, When you mentioned Mercury Dasa and > > > Mercury in 4th. My > > > > > take > > > > > > > is that all that's mentioned by Sages do > > come > > > right. But, A BIG > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > here, the point is When?! will it come > > true?. > > > The timing is > > > > > > > essential. All that mentioned need not come > > > true in the whole > > > > > dasa. > > > > > > > Mercury's results in 4th will come only in > > > last part of the > > > > > dasa,If he > > > > > > > is benefic. And if malefic then in the > > first > > > part of the dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Viphala or fruitless to whom? is the > > next > > > question you have > > > > to > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "SuryaViswanadham" > > > > > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal & Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not much worried about logic, i've > > Mer > > > in the 4th and > > > > the > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > is running (lot of learning is taking > > place, > > > but i am not > > > > happy > > > > > > > > because i want to get out and do my bit, > > > which is not > > > > > happening). > > > > > > > > Also, Jataka Parijata gives that Mer is > > bad > > > in the 4th (in > > > > COVA > > > > > > > > Sanjay also says that as per some experts > > > 4th is a bad > > > > > placement for > > > > > > > > Mer (could be a hint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha can learn from the horse's mouth > > and > > > enlighten us. > > > > i'll > > > > > > > > certainly be happy to learn that Mer is > > not > > > bad in the 4th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "utpal pathak" > > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also have a v.good counter logic. > > but > > > most of the > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > (children) will not like when they are > > > asked to study at > > > > home > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > playing outside. i think that's Unhappy > > > situation for Budha > > > > > but as > > > > > > > > > you said it may not be totally bad such > > as > > > 'Maran Karka' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > Partha Sarathy > > > > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is a student, he is vidya > > > karaka. I can > > > > understand > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he rules > > > > > > > > > > play and playgrounds, but that is what > > > kids do. But they > > > > > also > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to study > > > > > > > > > > to get good marks. This is not an > > > acceptable logic to > > > > kill > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > fourth. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/25/05, SuryaViswanadham > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his mp3 audio lessons, PVR did > > > mention this as a > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > lesson from > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Ji . Mercury wants to get out > > > and play, 4th type > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > sitting and > > > > > > > > > > > reading (learning ) is not liked by > > > Mer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how i understood it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy > > > > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you point out the mail message > > > number where he > > > > said > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on > > > us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > V.Partha Sarathy, > > > > > > > > > > partvinu.blogspot.com > > > <http://partvinu.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All that we are is the result of what > > we > > > have thought. If > > > > a > > > > > man > > > > > > > > > speaks or > > > > > > > > > > acts with an evil thought, pain > > follows > > > him. If a man > > > > > speaks or > > > > > > > > > acts with a > > > > > > > > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, > > > like a shadow that > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > leaves him. > > > > > > > > > > -----Buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plot.no.71 > > > > > > > > > > Road No.3 > > > > > > > > > > Nagarjuna Hills > > > > > > > > > > Hyderabad > > > > > > > > > > India-500 082 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Dear Shri Ramanarayanan ji Thanks a lot again.Reading your mail is always like a new journey. No place in my board - Thanks for pointing this out. Regarding Bhavas and Vargas - this is partially true and partially not. I have not got any explanation regarding, how it can be done during my discussions in the past.Thus i was keeping my board full. For the same reason i had sticked with analysis from a bigger canvas,overall picture and various exemplary interpretations of bahva nathas and their amshas as used by sage. Now i am thankful that your mails are enriched with plenty of knowledge.There is always something to learn. One reason for the board being full was - Not me alone, but others too were not listening, though they never had any explanation. I request that, we will go together with an open mind regarding this topic. ''The second message is that the smashan(8th house)a place where the power of memory is erased can be used to reinforce our faith in the power of the Almighty and to burn our Ak and its allied forces while dwelling in the AL/shareera by atleast offering 12 pranas to the Lord as unplucked parijatha''. So here we understand or realize the inability to remember past janmas. Also then is Jyotish a Para gyana?.Irrespective of whether we know jyotish or not, the offer mentioned above can be done to LORD. I do not know anything about jyotish in depth.I have a feeling that Jyotish is not paragyana,but it can give indications. To read these indications the jyotishi should be above jyotish.Thus a transformed gyani,can see the unseen or the past or supreme TRUTHS. The fundamental principles of jyotish, are understood and percieved only using the ''expression of Para'' as you have said. Thus the evolutionary stage of Jyotishi is the key factor. Now coming to Bhavas. I will be pleased to know more about the upacharas. Also when we speak of 20 segments,what should we exactly understand.Does it represent the extra 8 Rashis traversed by any planet or Lagna. So for Vimshamsha related matters,a particular degree in rashi represents 12+8,traversed.How do we know how many janmas the soul has traversed.It need not be the immediate past janma. When we see vargamshas of lagna, we are seeing the learnings of lagna with respect to various matters,in the past. When we see 2nd lords vargamshas we see the credit/debit related to the said bhava. As an example sage said,from 5th lords amshas ,we see the root and visible environments related to learning.When we see 9th lords vargamshaS,we are getting info about religious matters. I guess for the same reason sage explains the usage of amshas attained by ninth and 5th lords for determining,religious and learning levels including that of previous janmas. If we change this regerence point namely bhava - how can a jyotishi differentiate. For the same reason sage talks about bhavas and their lords in shashtyamshas giving good or bad results. Accumulation of good karmas over many janmas gives a good shastyamsha. If we treat shastyamsha as a chart(i am not discussing the technical difficulties,as i have already done this before),for which janma we are doing so. This is my understanding.Kindly explain your views. Thanks a lot for the parts related to Jyotir linga,Bana linga,Shakthi swaroopa and Parasiva apart from other pieces of knowledge. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, "sree88ganesha" <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Vijayadas, > > Thank you for quick response. i am happy you have given me some space > in your board for writing. > > Gyana is not only knowledge it is knowledge + transformation. By the > time you come to know in toto of the Lord you will find yourself to be > the Lord. So it is not the question of acquisition but being. This > Para Gyana is represented by 8. As per katapayadhi varga Bhava is > represented by two letters Bha + Va. Bha is indicated by the number 4 > and Va is indicated by the number 4. By putting these two numbers > together we get the number 44. The next step is to reverse the numbers > and divide it by 12(12 rashis) to find the rashi indicated by the > remainder. Here even if we reverse the number it remains as 44. If we > divide by 12 we get the remainder as 8. The 8th Bhava counted > zodiacally from Aries is Vrischika while the 8th Bhava counted > antizodiacally from Vrischika is Aries. This means the tail and mouth > coincides or in simple terms the beginning also connotes the end and > end also connotes beginning. It is only the 8th bhava that can give > the complete knowledge known as Gyana which is knowledge + realisation > bundled in one. > > Let us go further. We had a decision to understand the cosmos in its > entirety. In all eagerness we tried to gulp the big mango in one > attempt. The mango is too big, rather our mouth is too small. This > means little by little we can consume the whole. This attempt for > consuming the whole, little by little and relishing the whole, in > every little bite we make, is called as Para gyana. > > Sun is Para and Moon is the expression of Para. Let us stop calling > Moon as Maya as the word Maya may take you elsewhere. Let us mark all > those areas where the para and the expression of para merges. Let us > construct a temple of Jyotirlinga as a mark of respect of that > jeevasamadhi(merger of para and expression of para). We now have 12 > such Jyotirlingas representing the creation as a whole. Let us make a > small pilgrimage of the Jyotirlingas. Are you ready? > > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO RAMESWARAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO SOMANATHAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO NAGESWARAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO OMKAARESWARAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO GRISHNESHWARAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO MALIKARJUNAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO MAHAKAALESWARAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO VAIDYANATHAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO VISWANATHAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO KEDARANATHAAYA" > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO TRIYAMBAKESWARAAYA" > > Thank God we have completed the pilgrimage. By the end of pilgrimage > if we are expecting the doors of the Lord to open without any > transformation within us then we are to be disappointed. It is not a > simple 12 round affair. Having completed 12 the doors of the 1st one > is not opened straight away. Instead we are drawn by a greater force > to reach the 8th Jyotirlinga - Vaidyanathaya (the doctor who should > give the treatment for the Bava roga). Once we have received that call > then the force in the reverse is the force of the Ista and is beyond > the control of AK. It is self withdrawal. This anti clockwise inner > journey comes to a halt as soon we reach the starting jyotirlinga. > > It is not necessary for every soul to commence the journey in zodiacal > fashion from Mesha as told earlier. There are jeevas which are to > commence their journeys from Vrischika i.e. from Vaidyanatha kshetra. > Here the journey is anti clockwise. Here again it is not easier as the > jeeva reaches Dhanur kshetra. From Dhanur the jeeva is drawn rather > pulled to Mesha where the gati is reversed and the jeeva is pushed to > its original abode of Vrischika. > > In respect of both these journeys jeevas are to travel 20 rashis for > the purpose of attainment of complete knowledge. The twenty steps can > be split into two parts of 12 and 8. Here 12 represents the minimum > required unit of measurement for Sadhana and 8 represents the unit of > measurement of Adhi taala by which the jeeva attains the status of > Adhi. Here i am reminded of the holy Varanasi where the manikarnika > ghat is ever burning and the Mother who is ever ready to serve food > called affectionately as Annapoorani. The ghat reminds of Ekadasha > rudras while Annapoorani reminds of dwadasi anna dhana.This gives a > hint of vratha on Ekadashi day and anna dana on dwadashi day can lead > to that stage of transformation if practised regularly for a period of > 12 months if not for a continuous period of 12 years. The second > message is that the smashan(8th house)a place where the power of > memory is erased can be used to reinforce our faith in the power of > the Almighty and to burn our Ak and its allied forces while dwelling > in the AL/shareera by atleast offering 12 pranas to the Lord as > unplucked parijatha. > > Try to figure out this in the bha chakra. Travel zodiacally from Mesha > and reach Meena. From Meena reach out Vrischika and continue the > circle antizodiacally. Now do this exercise from Vrischika and reach > Dhanur antizodiacally and reach out Mesha from Dhanur and travel > zodiacally to reach Vrischika. You will find a Rekha cutting across > the cosmic egg otherwise known as bana linga. Does this look like a > story written by me? You can find this bana linga with Swarna Rekha in > Kollur - Mookambiga kshetra - a replica. > > The force 8 is not to be neglected and with the above understanding > you can easily figure out that of all the vargas vimsamsa is the most > potential one. Vimsamsa represents the varga of 20 segments(12+8). > Here you will find all the deities enumerated by the Sage as Sakthi > swaroopa as without Sakthi sadhana it is not possible to realise the > Para Siva as it is after all the Mother who is the one who can > introduce us to the Father is it not?! > > Let us come back to the main topic Bhava. For understanding the cosmos > in its enitirety we segmented the zodiac into 12 PARA LAYAS or MAHA > BHAVAS or BHAVA SAMADHIS. Lagna is that particular time when a jeeva > has manifested. Manifestation is also called as Bhava. Taking the > manifested 'dhi'(lagna)in the background of jyotirlinga/rashi entire > cosmos is understood by finding a relation with the other > jyotirlingas. This first upachara is called as the rashi upachara. You > are aware that the deities are given shodasa upachara. You are aware > that every varga is governed by deities and that no differentiation > can be made in the treatment that is meted out to rashi and the varga. > > Vargas and shodasa upacharas. > 1.Rasi - Asanam( offer seat) > 2.Hora - Padyam(wash the feet) > 3.Dreshkana - Argyam(wash the hands) > 4.Turyamsha - Achamaneeyam(offer water to drink) > 5.Saptamsha - Madhuparkam(offer sweet mixture/sweet dairy products) > 6.Navamsha - Sudhodhakasnanam(offer water for bath) > 7.Dashamansha - Vastram(offer cloth to wear) > 8.Dwadashamsha - Yagyopavitham(Offering sacred threads) > 9.Shodashamsha - Abharanam(ornaments) > 10.Vimshamsha - Gandam(offer sandalwood paste) > 11.Chaturvimshamsha-Pushpam(offer flowers for archana and as garland) > 12.Bhamsha - Dhoopam (offer incense) > 13.Trimsamsha - Dheepam (offerlights) > 14.Kavedamsha - Naivedyam(offer food items and fruits) > 15.Akshavedamsha - Tamboolam(offer betel leaves and nuts) > 16.Shastyamsha - Anu upachara(offer all and make him happy starting > from footwear(paduka), umbrella(chatra), two types of fans called as > chamara and vyajana,mirror(darpana), songs(geetha), dances(nruthya), > instrumental music(vadya), swing(andolika) etc.,). > > Let me stop here now for the time being and proceed further after your > response. > > Best wishes. > > "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA".... > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Shri Ramnarayanan ji > > > > Thanks a lot for your kindness in explaining all these in such detail. > > As the most important dhan,i understand vidya has to be hidden.8th > > Bhava has one of its indications as death.As you have said before, > > death is a transformation.Transformation can occur only due to new > > understandings or revelations.Thus one has to find his way to this > > hidden treasure at some point of time. > > > > Now for the rest of the mail my understanding has been partial. > > Regarding Brahmanda and Pindanda,i have the following > > understanding.These are just my thoughts and kindly correct me. > > What is perceived by the mind is Pindanda,ie the one seen because of > > Maya.What is perceived, when the mind is no more, is brahamanda.As in > > dance when the body and mind becomes one.As in music when the mind is > > not aware of the singing process or in otherwords the song is not > > aware of the mind-a perfect understanding of brahmanda occurs. > > The complete perception of adwaita. > > > > Regarding the 12 Rashis unison of sun and moon as a cause is > > helpful.Sun being the energy and Moon the Manas or mind to make the > > creation possible. > > > > Thanks for the clue of prana and vighati.From vighati to ghati or > > vinazhika to nazhika this number of 24 is still continuing. > > One day consists of 8 Yamas.4 yamas of Pakal and 4 Rathri.Each Yama is > > 3 hours making the full duration as 24 Hours. > > > > Now regarding measure of time and division of signs i have the > > following understanding. > > One is Kaalahora which consists of 24 hours as you have mentioned and > > as 1/3rd of a yaama as said above. > > Twentyfour segments of zodiac.24 is representing Kalahora a measure of > > time and is used in the calculation of shadbala.Each hour being a Hora. > > > > Another Hora is the division of signs according to shodasha vargas.Sun > > controls rashis from Leo until makara,the aagneya rashis.Moon controls > > from Cancer until Kumbha,saumya rashis. > > Mercury being the prince is allotted the next rashis on both > > sides.Venus the minister the next two,Mars the commander the next > > two,Jupiter the minister the next two and Saturn the bhritya the > > reamining two respectively from two sides of sun and moon.It follows > > the planetary positions in heaven as well. > > Thus this Hora is a further distribution of power/administration > > between Sun and Moon.Irrespective of aagneya or saumya,they control > > one half. > > So is the further divisions of sign.Every planet is given control of a > > section (drekkana,navamsha etc) within the domain of another planet or > > its own. > > > > Kindly correct me. > > > > The position of sun ,Moon and other planets with respect to lagna is > > representing the evolutionary stage of soul.This is again a mirror > > image in the visible world. > > Thus i am not sure how we can merge Pindanda and Brahmanda while > > trying to decipher the indications of this maya world(pindanda).Is > > Jyotish just a tool for transition?. > > > > In your mail the coding for Bhavas was mentioned as 44.I did not > > understand why 3 rounds of zodiac or 36 was expunged to arrive at 8. > > > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, rama narayanan > > <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > Dear Vijayadas, > > > > > > Namaste. i was wondering why your reply did not reach > > > me. i believe there was some server problem. Okay that > > > has been set right now. What is that hint about Vidya > > > Dhan my dear?! > > > > > > OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA. > > > > > > Do you have some space in your board for me to write > > > something? i hope so. > > > > > > The word Bhava stands for the number 44 as per > > > katapayadi varga. When you expunge 36 the reminder is > > > 8. Now the question arises as to why should we expunge > > > 36? > > > > > > The brahmanda or the cosmos is one. How do we > > > understand the cosmos in its entirety? Is there a way > > > out? > > > > > > We stay in this bhoo loka called otherwise called as > > > Mrityu loka. We understand that the earth rotates a > > > > > > nd > > > we also know the luminaries and on account of which > > > the day/night division is also understood. Let us > > > place Sun and Moon in the first degrees of Aswini and > > > commence our observation. By the time the Sun reaches > > > 27 degrees we find the Moon having completed the > > > zodiacal revoultion once. By the time Sun reaches the > > > 30th degree we find the Moon also catching up Sun. So > > > from the first unison to the second unison it has > > > taken for the Sun to move a space arc of 30 degrees. > > > Thus if the Sun has to cover 360 degrees then it would > > > result in 12 such unisons. By the time we understand > > > the brahmanda in full we would have had 12 such > > > unisons of Sun & Moon. Mark the unisons as pinda. We > > > therefore have 12 pindas to understand one brahma. > > > With the help of Sivasakthi aiyakya swaroopas we > > > understand the cosmos in its entirety. This Sivasakthi > > > aiykya swaroopa is personified as Nataraja - a > > > combination of static state and dyanamic state - an > > > apparently still posture representing the height of > > > velocity. This makes one thing clear that the 12 > > > divisions of zodiac owes its existance to Sivasakthi > > > aiykyam/unison of luminaries. > > > > > > Rashi means cluster of stars. To undersand the > > > dwadasha rashis we need to understand the unisons of > > > Sun and Moon. The cosmic life principle is infact > > > understood by this unison. The junction of Ida and > > > pingala is called as the suksumna. This sukshmna is > > > infact the bhava based on which brahmopadesa is given > > > at the time of upanayana(investiture of sacred thread > > > - 3 threads tied together at a joint called as > > > Bhrama). The mantra that is given as upadesa at the > > > time of investiture is called as Savitur Gayathri > > > otherwise called as Bhrama gayathri. This mantra has > > > 24 aksharas. These 24 aksharas infact represent the > > > measure of kaala. It takes 4 seconds for one prana > > > which means it takes 6 pranas to make one vighati > > > which is the base for gender differentiation. > > > > > > We now want to divide the zodiac into two halves one > > > belonging to Sun and one belonging to Moon. The Solar > > > half is represented by the arc from Leo to Capricorn > > > while the Lunar half is represented by the arc from > > > Kataka to Kumba. Whenever a decision is taken in the > > > brahmanda the same is echoed in the pindanda. This > > > means we now have 24 segments based on our original > > > mathematics that one brahma is equal to 12 pindas. > > > > > > This means if we want to look at the zodiac into 60 > > > segments we would have 720 segments for which the > > > adhara is the movement of Sun and Moon. > > > > > > As the division of the brahmanda increases it becomes > > > cumbersome. Is there a way to understand the cosmos in > > > an easier way? The Lord gives us the solution. Just as > > > the cornor of a sweatmeat contains the sweatness of > > > the entire sweat similarly the pindas can throw light > > > on the adhara. The beeja contains the essence of the > > > vriksha. > > > > > > Bhava has been referred earlier as the mark of unison > > > of Sun and Moon. The 12 pindas help to explain the > > > brahma in whole. Whether it is creation or procreation > > > the unison of the parents(Sivasakthi) is essential. To > > > understand the cosmos in its entirety, to understand > > > the paramatma the parambhava has to be necessarily > > > superimposed in the ahambhava. Once this > > > superimposition has taken place then it would be > > > easier to understand the pinda which would then easily > > > pave the way for understanding the Bhrama. > > > > > > Now coming back to the original understanding of Bhava > > > as 8 after expunging 36 which is nothing but 3 > > > zodiacal rounds of 12 pindas. If we use the word pindi > > > instead of pindas then we would be having > > > dwadasajyothir lingas. What does this 8 refer to? > > > > > > Rest in next. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan ji > > > > > > As vidya dhan is important than all other,your analogy > > > of > > > Kubera/treasure/hidden is insightful.But is Kubera and > > > Budha > > > specifically related because of trade/money etc. > > > Jarasandha example showing karaka parivartana effect > > > is very good.Thus > > > can i assume grahas cannot be marked as bad due to > > > Maranakaraka > > > position alone. > > > I think your mail is pointing towards the importance > > > of mutual > > > dispositions or tranfer/parivartana to make the > > > effects full. > > > Like interchange preventing reunion of Jarasandhas > > > torn portions. > > > > > > I have more doubts.Sun when placed in first will give > > > karaka bhava > > > naash results. > > > Under Bhagya gogas,i have read that,the graha which is > > > in the 12th > > > from Lagna will give bhagya according to its > > > karakatwa. > > > Thus sun as karaka for lagna,father etc should give > > > bhagya for those > > > matters?.Thus the point made regarding karaka > > > parivartana makes > > > matters more clear. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, rama narayanan > > > <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > Dear Vijayadas, > > > > > > > > Namaste. Buda comes under the domain of Kubera whose > > > > sampath is akin to treasure. You know treasure is > > > > always hidden and seekers of treasure are ruled by > > > > matsarya a weakness blessed by Buda. > > > > > > > > As regards marana karaka sthana you think of > > > > Jarasandha and his death. Bhima tore him apart > > > number > > > > of times but everytime he did that the torn portions > > > > attached easily and Jarasanda was back with full > > > > vigour. It was Krsna who suggested Bhima to change > > > the > > > > positions of torn portions as wrong sides do not > > > > attract/attach. Take the karakatwa of planets. > > > Karaka > > > > for 1st house is Sun while the karaka of 12th house > > > is > > > > Sani. When you place Sun and Sani in 12th house and > > > > 1st house respectively they face a situation similar > > > > to that of Jarasandha - a marana karaka avastha is > > > it > > > > not! > > > > > > > > There is great deal of knowledge involved in this > > > > karaka parivartana. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear respected members > > > > > > > > In local parlance there is a saying -''Maranja > > > Budhan > > > > Niranju > > > > nalkum''.It means hidden budha will give in > > > > full.Hidden houses may be > > > > 8,6.Also 12? > > > > I feel mercury being a quick planet may get > > > distracted > > > > easily. > > > > Hence himslef in a hidden position(i feel kendras > > > are > > > > the most exposed > > > > areas with respect to our lagna or > > > oursleves.Trikonas > > > > may be the > > > > additional or boosting areas. > > > > When budha is less distracted ,he can oncentrate > > > well > > > > and give good > > > > vidya.This is my personal understanding of the > > > > quotation and seek > > > > learned members opinion. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > "SuryaViswanadham" > > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samal, > > > > > > > > > > The discussion is about a definition. Is Mer said > > > to > > > > be in MKS in the > > > > > 4th or in anyother house. The Q is something > > > > simmilar to whether Jup > > > > > is putrakaraka or some other planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the case here. If you can quote anything > > > > with references to > > > > > classical texts, it will be useful for the > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know how Mer was born to Chandra & Tara - you > > > > know the story?) > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "psamal25" > > > > <psamal25> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Person with Mercury in 4th should be a mother's > > > > pet. Afterall which > > > > > > mother will not like a son inclined to earn > > > > knowledge rather than > > > > > > wondering around. However, do people study > > > better > > > > in home comfort > > > > > or > > > > > > they study better in a school/hostel/gurukul? > > > The > > > > distraction from > > > > > > getting the best of knowledges makes such a > > > person > > > > unsatisfied. > > > > > > I also read somewhere, 10th house and 4th house > > > > are like king and > > > > > > minister for the lagnesh. Even if we the king is > > > > weak a strong and > > > > > > inteligent minister will definitely help the > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having talked about 4th Mercury, can we say > > > > Mercury in other houses > > > > > > is better? I don't think so. We need a complete > > > > view of a chart. My > > > > > > langesh budha in Leo does not give me the best > > > > perception and > > > > > > intelegence I wish to have. Why? It is aspected > > > by > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > P. Samal > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there can be so many things which can > > > > modify "merc in 4th" > > > > > > > results. I dont know much of the astrology, > > > But > > > > In my case, For > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > lagna, I have merc (9L-12L) placed in 4th > > > along > > > > with exalted > > > > > > > Mars(2L-7L). There is also parivartan of 4L > > > Sani > > > > (in 9th)with 9L > > > > > > > merc(in 4th). Also, In navamsha merc is again > > > in > > > > 4th along with > > > > > > > exalted moon (which happens to be my AK or in > > > > this case as its > > > > > > > navamsha, 'Karakamsa'). With all this, I have > > > > been told, My coming > > > > > > > merc mahadasa will be good. I should expect > > > some > > > > leadership > > > > > > > opportunities coming as merc is with exalted > > > > mars forming Ruchak > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > and gains in foreign land and happiniess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > - Kaushik. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > "sanjayprabhakaran" > > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > > > Good point you mentioned Jyataka Parijata > > > on > > > > this, Vidyanatha > > > > > > calls > > > > > > > > it Viphala Or Fruitless position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, When you mentioned Mercury Dasa and > > > > Mercury in 4th. My > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > is that all that's mentioned by Sages do > > > come > > > > right. But, A BIG > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > here, the point is When?! will it come > > > true?. > > > > The timing is > > > > > > > > essential. All that mentioned need not come > > > > true in the whole > > > > > > dasa. > > > > > > > > Mercury's results in 4th will come only in > > > > last part of the > > > > > > dasa,If he > > > > > > > > is benefic. And if malefic then in the > > > first > > > > part of the dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Viphala or fruitless to whom? is the > > > next > > > > question you have > > > > > to > > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > "SuryaViswanadham" > > > > > > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal & Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not much worried about logic, i've > > > Mer > > > > in the 4th and > > > > > the > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > is running (lot of learning is taking > > > place, > > > > but i am not > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > because i want to get out and do my bit, > > > > which is not > > > > > > happening). > > > > > > > > > Also, Jataka Parijata gives that Mer is > > > bad > > > > in the 4th (in > > > > > COVA > > > > > > > > > Sanjay also says that as per some experts > > > > 4th is a bad > > > > > > placement for > > > > > > > > > Mer (could be a hint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partha can learn from the horse's mouth > > > and > > > > enlighten us. > > > > > i'll > > > > > > > > > certainly be happy to learn that Mer is > > > not > > > > bad in the 4th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > "utpal pathak" > > > > > > > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also have a v.good counter logic. > > > but > > > > most of the > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > (children) will not like when they are > > > > asked to study at > > > > > home > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > playing outside. i think that's Unhappy > > > > situation for Budha > > > > > > but as > > > > > > > > > > you said it may not be totally bad such > > > as > > > > 'Maran Karka' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > Partha Sarathy > > > > > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is a student, he is vidya > > > > karaka. I can > > > > > understand > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > he rules > > > > > > > > > > > play and playgrounds, but that is what > > > > kids do. But they > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to study > > > > > > > > > > > to get good marks. This is not an > > > > acceptable logic to > > > > > kill > > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > fourth. > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/25/05, SuryaViswanadham > > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his mp3 audio lessons, PVR did > > > > mention this as a > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > lesson from > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Ji . Mercury wants to get out > > > > and play, 4th type > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > sitting and > > > > > > > > > > > > reading (learning ) is not liked by > > > > Mer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how i understood it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy > > > > > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you point out the mail message > > > > number where he > > > > > said > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on > > > > us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > V.Partha Sarathy, > > > > > > > > > > > partvinu.blogspot.com > > > > <http://partvinu.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All that we are is the result of what > > > we > > > > have thought. If > > > > > a > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > > > speaks or > > > > > > > > > > > acts with an evil thought, pain > > > follows > > > > him. If a man > > > > > > speaks or > > > > > > > > > > acts with a > > > > > > > > > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, > > > > like a shadow that > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > leaves him. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plot.no.71 > > > > > > > > > > > Road No.3 > > > > > > > > > > > Nagarjuna Hills > > > > > > > > > > > Hyderabad > > > > > > > > > > > India-500 082 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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