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It is just bookish knowlodge. "All of them being destined to live in the

Raurava naraka which is the seminal vesicle where the possibilty of rebirth is

very slim". Swarga and Nasraka. The narakas are not even symbolic, they are

descriptive. Can we add some more swargas and narakas in to the list given in

puranas? It won't help. Every religion on this earth had their own gods, their

on concepts about swarga and naraka. what is more devine people like budha

doesn't even believed in it. Coming back to vedas esavasya upanishad says

"Bhasmandam sareeram". Sthoola or sookshma, the existance of body ends with

death. If you are saying that athma does not have a body - why you are

attaching material things like mind and memmory with atma? Do you want to say

that even atma has defenite personality, name and memmories, and that the

number of atmas (call it geevathma or geevan) are fixed in number? They alas,

we are doomed!! Because there is no possibility of a moksha - because a

jeevan (atma?) cannot become one with god - because the number of a atmans are

fixed and they are eternal.

I am not against atma, or the concept or rebirth - but still some

re-thinking is needed. My point is - Is this "karma sidhantha (Theory of

karma)" a huge necessity for the existance of astrology? Can't we do without

it? Does all this swarga-naraka concept a must? How much and in which ways the

concept of rebirth should be appreciated? And above all (leaving the puranas

aside) what vedic astology has to say about it?

With love and

respect,

Sreenadh

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You said it write!...... "With due respect to you Dr Pandit, I am finding it

bit difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Just as a curiosity,

like men women also should carry many individual Jeevas - isn't it ? Pardon my

ignorance on this complex matter." A nice comment. Further develop this

argument - like every sperm (in semen) contains many geevas, women may also

have many geevas, and in this era of clonning every cell in the body will have

its own geevas, and why leave the plants - each plant leaf will contain

thousands of geevas. How terrible!!! And waht is worse we should try for the

salvation (mukthi) of geeva, and we are doomed - thousands of geevas are their

within us!!! Looks were thing are leading us to!!! We should get out of this

net. We should create a strong foundation for astrology (based on vedic

knowledge) - because it could live with out falling into this pits of

arguments. With due respect, i think panditgi (Dr M Pandit) will reconsider

his arguments.

sreendah

 

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Namasthe Sreenadh,

 

''But has anybody proved it - don't put your whole weight on unproved

arguments.... Do you want to say that the rishis (saints) created astrology

after studies all these science. Don't be baised.''

 

I couldn't understand what you like to prove.If you believe planets are round in

shape and revolve around sun in elipthical orbits which we can find from jyotish

sastra and were found and written before the modern scientists found that earth

and other planets are round in shape there is no harm in believing that rishis

(saints) created astrology after studies in astronomy.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Kumar Varanasi

 

sree nadh <sreelid > wrote:

Dear Bharatheiya,

Now a days we speak mostly about things we doesn't know!! Stephen Hawking is a

good scientist, but still most of theories still remains to be proved and before

that he himself discareded some of them like the string theory!! If i am right,

once he was after the boot-strap theory, then after the string theory, and now

back to the bigbang theoty!! Einsteen was verified later by the experimental

scientists - let it be E=MC2 or some thing else. But in Stephen Hawking's case

it is not so till now. "If there was a mechanism to draw the vectors of energy

received at a particular point of time, with their magnitudes, by all the

concerned grahas, we can give out the possibility of further events in the Cone

of Time Space Continuim." Dear friend, you are using technical terms. But has

anybody proved it - don't put your whole weight on unproved arguments.... Do

you want to say that the rishis (saints) created astrology after studies all

these science. Don't be

baised. I never asked "Who controls time?", but rather i was giving a simily. It

goes like this : watch shows time - but doesn't controls it. similarly planets

shows destiny - still doesn't controls it. One sanskrit verse by varahamihira

says that - planets are just the indicaters destiny (suchaka in sanskrit).

2) Karma:

Karma, Atman all are concepts created by human minds. Don't do the mistake

of mixing up concepts and reality (in your words 'truth' that hides behind).

Like the divisions of time like hour-minute-sec, nadi-vinadi etc, they exist

only in our mind. Like the time is unaffect by these divisions, the truth is

unafftect by our mental concepts such as karma and atman. Still worse, we don't

and can't have any verification tool for such concept. Unproved and unprovable

arguments betray the true seeker - always..... On darwin - let it be evolution

or devolution, why the astrologer's are mostly against it. At least, when

making things (mere) mental exercise, can't we atleast find some arguments that

is not against the scientific foundation of evolution (into good or to bad )

3) "By believing or not believing in gravity, if one jumps out of the window

from a height, one is sure to fall. Let people believe what they want to,

Jyotish's character does not change." Good!! you excaped without answering the

qustion!! But still I agree with you, you said it right. Still our duty

remains....... If astrology is closer to holistic approch, we should be able to

elaborate why it is..........

Expecting more from you, with love and regards,

sreenadh

 

 

 

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Namaskaar Sreenadh

 

Karma is action. What is the concept in it? And yes it is in the mind.

It is not there in the deep sleep. Within deep sleep there is no

concept of karma. What do you want to prove from it?

 

Atman is a concept of the mind? Yes. The Veda says that. We refer to

Atman as a concept of the mind, describing something that is conscious

of mind, and everything else, including ignorance in deep sleep. Atman

is a conscious reference. We have to give it a name. Mind cannot think

without a name. So the Veda has given it a name. But that does not

change anything?

You really need to understand the Veda before raising these questions.

 

I used the Stephen Hawking example as an analogy. To explain

something. That does not mean science comes first or astrology comes

first. Are the two different? Don't you calculate the positions, the

lagna, the divisional charts? Don't you use mathematics and physics?

What came first? Tell me. Why are you trying to get into Egg or Hen

came first discussion?

 

If you have something clearly in your mind, please express it.

 

I did not try to escape any question. I believed in your intelligence

to solve the last one after the first two questions were briefed upon.

For me it is not important to qualify Jyotish as Science or as a

Technology or as a Art.

 

For me personally, Jyotish is a divine subject. It helps me find my

limitations, errors in judgment, wrong beliefs, attachments...all the

limiting factors to my personality. This is my research and Jyotish

for me. I consider every other prediction as fringe benefits. And I am

all for fringe benefits.

 

Now my last question to you:

Who are you? That you are Sreenadh,...is that not a mental concept?

That you are man... is that not a mental concept (some male some

female), That you are an astrologer... is that not a mental concept...

 

The whole science is a mind concept! Prove me wrong

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, sree nadh <sreelid> wrote:

> Dear Bharatheiya,

> Now a days we speak mostly about things we doesn't know!! Stephen

Hawking is a good scientist, but still most of theories still remains

to be proved and before that he himself discareded some of them like

the string theory!! If i am right, once he was after the boot-strap

theory, then after the string theory, and now back to the bigbang

theoty!! Einsteen was verified later by the experimental scientists -

let it be E=MC2 or some thing else. But in Stephen Hawking's case it

is not so till now. "If there was a mechanism to draw the vectors of

energy received at a particular point of time, with their magnitudes,

by all the concerned grahas, we can give out the possibility of

further events in the Cone of Time Space Continuim." Dear friend, you

are using technical terms. But has anybody proved it - don't put your

whole weight on unproved arguments.... Do you want to say that the

rishis (saints) created astrology after studies all these science.

Don't be baised. I never asked "Who

> controls time?", but rather i was giving a simily. It goes like

this : watch shows time - but doesn't controls it. similarly planets

shows destiny - still doesn't controls it. One sanskrit verse by

varahamihira says that - planets are just the indicaters destiny

(suchaka in sanskrit).

> 2) Karma:

> Karma, Atman all are concepts created by human minds. Don't do

the mistake of mixing up concepts and reality (in your words 'truth'

that hides behind). Like the divisions of time like hour-minute-sec,

nadi-vinadi etc, they exist only in our mind. Like the time is

unaffect by these divisions, the truth is unafftect by our mental

concepts such as karma and atman. Still worse, we don't and can't have

any verification tool for such concept. Unproved and unprovable

arguments betray the true seeker - always..... On darwin - let it be

evolution or devolution, why the astrologer's are mostly against it.

At least, when making things (mere) mental exercise, can't we atleast

find some arguments that is not against the scientific foundation of

evolution (into good or to bad )

> 3) "By believing or not believing in gravity, if one jumps out of

the window from a height, one is sure to fall. Let people believe what

they want to, Jyotish's character does not change." Good!! you excaped

without answering the qustion!! But still I agree with you, you said

it right. Still our duty remains....... If astrology is closer to

holistic approch, we should be able to elaborate why it is..........

> Expecting more from you, with love and regards,

>

sreenadh

>

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Dear bharateiya,

Who is "trying to get in to a to get into Egg or Hen came first discussion"?!! I

never said - science is better than astrology or that astrology is better than

science. Science is science and astrology is astrology - two distinct subjects

with there own methods which some times may overlap and some times not.

"Now my last question to you: Who are you? That you are Sreenadh,...is that not

a mental concept? That you are man... is that not a mental concept (some male

somefemale), That you are an astrologer... is that not a mental concept" - You

are right. But dear sir it was not the subject of discussion. Again deviating

from the subject. But sir why should it be your last qn - won't be answering to

me anymore? Being a good friend of knowlodge, i don't think you will do so.

"If you have something clearly in your mind, please express it." - Yes. Of

course. But wait, I want to share with all some books, classics, articles,

ideas and many more. But see today I was trying to upload a pdf copy of

krishneeyam (a sanscrit classic) - the message came that the space aloted is

not enough - it was just an 175 KB file.

Expecting more from you, with love,

sreenadh

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Dear sreenadh,

 

In my case the knowledge is not bookish.

 

Regards

Dr Pandit

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Dear Bharatiyaji and others,

 

Yes , every thing in this universe is dependant on a third party

observer for it to exist.

Who is that third party observer?

Unless one dedicates time to meditate and experience this third party

observer by any of the methods or by "Prathibha" the realisation of

ones self as Atman is not realised.

Until that time that an experience is had, my own experience is that

one cannot know what is true.

All the books may describe something or the other but I was in a

fortunate position of never having read any book on any of the

Upanishads or Vedas until after the experiences.

Never having really consciously thought about any of this till I

actually experienced something simply by the grace of someone I think

that I was very lucky as I would have gone through life

with "sankshaya and ignorance" which is the birthright of man in Kali.

 

If one meditates just a little in a still pose: the following happens

after a few years.

The body is still and after a few days the mind loses its focus on

the body and tries to focus on the breath. The Buddhists call

it "AnapanaSati" .

Then the breath becomes calmer and with it the mind does so as well.

The vrittis arising in the mind start and fade away slowly. Then a

pause comes between one thought and another. This is the start of

Dhyana.

The mind becomes more stilled and so consequently does the breathing.

I am ommitting a few steps here as I am not allowed to reveal these

here.

the realisation occurs that the "I am not this mind, body, breath or

prana". So then the question appears"Who am I"

After a few years in this situation,finally the Atman realises that

it is looking at the mind and the body.At this point the sleep of the

sadhaka in daily life decreases.

This point is called Saakshi in Buddhism.

 

The delusions at that point within the mind are that Atman is only

self.

There is a point at which this Atman then fills all there is, but

only in meditation.Till this point the sadhaka can take birth again.

When the sadhaka reaches the state of this process in daily life, ie

24 hours at this point there is no rebirth and this is called as

Sahaj.

I say that we can call this state what we like because for somebody

else this state of oneness with the universe is so unrecognized that

even if such a person came before the majority of people today, they

would be incapable of recognizing him.

 

Regards

Dr Pandit

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Dear Dr Panditji,

 

That last post was wonderful as usual.

We are glad to have you back on the list and I would like to express my

sincere thanks to you for writing a fantastic book.

I have seen a few friends give excellent predictions on the base of

this book.

 

Pranaams

S Jadhav