Thanks To Narasimhji, Bharatji and all..

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Respected Bharatji and Narasimhji,

 

 

 

I express my sincere thanks to Narasimhji, Bharatji and all other

scholars who found time to answer and clarify my doubts regarding

Kundalini Awakening.

 

Regards,

Jyothi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "bharateiya"

<bharateiya> wrote:

> Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

>

> 1.

> Realization is not an achievement. It is an already achieved

goal. "It

> is like a person who slides his specs onto the forehead, and then,

> forgets where he kept the specs. In that state of ignorance, it runs

> here and there to find them (desires)." You are very correct is

> stating that it is not an achievement. This is my contention that

> Kundalini being an experience relates to Subject-Object world and

> denotes only to the mind and cosmic mind. Ignorance still remains.

> Like in our above example, maybe the person can enlighten all the

> rooms with light through electricity and finds all the objects in

his

> house, he still does not realize that the spectacles are on his

forehead.

>

> My post was in Jyotish Group and perhaps you did not read it.

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> 2. The question dissolves. Realization is not under the purview of

> cause and effect and therefore, Kundalini or any other form of

> experience cannot "effect" Realization.

>

> 3. Something I have no idea about. I have been taught that Kundalini

> is a by product of one's sadhana.

>

> 4. I would say with Realization, no force is separate from you. What

> is fixed in whom it is fixed, all separativeness would dissolve.

>

> Somehow this discussion is going elsewhere. I would again like to

keep

> it under the purview of Jyotish.

>

> Thank you again to Sri Narasimha for giving directions on Atmakaraka

> and karaka pravesh and its relationship with 8 house in D-20 and D-

9.

> I shall study the related combinations in charts where I suppose an

> experience of Kundalini has taken place.

>

> I thank all the other contributors for their comments and

suggestions.

>

> I still await a longer response from Sri Pandit and other learned

> members.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

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> vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b"

> <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote:

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Please forgive me if I am asking doubts in a pragmatic

way.

> > As I am not evolved as you all, I am able to understand things if

> > said only in a basic level. Frankly speaking, I am really getting

> > confused about this KA. It would be a great help if you could

> > enlighten me a little more on certain concepts about this. Hope

> > respected scholars do not mind if I straight away shoot my doubts.

> >

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> > 1. Is Realization some `STATE TO BE ACHIEVED' OR is it AN

> > ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, COMPREHENSION and IDENTIFICATION OF THE FACT

THAT

> > ATMA AND PARAMATMA ARE ONE AND THE SAME (I mean, identifying both

> > intellectually and emotionally; How to realize it `PHYSICALLY' I

> > donno, Is that what Kundali awakening does?)? So far, I have

> > believed that the latter (not a state to be achieved, but

realization

> > of the idea) is what is meant by Realization.

> >

> > Reason for doubt: After reading the various `methods' adopted by

> > people to achieve this realization I feel it is a step (like the

> > higher most step in a ladder, after reading your mail I

understand it

> > is only an intermediate step) to be reached and unless one go

through

> > the first, second third. etc KA being one important step between

> > these, one cannot reach the top of the ladder (top being

Realization)

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> > 2. Secondly, (a follow up of the above question) Is `Realisation'

> > possible without Kundali awakening? I mean, can one override this

> > intermediate step of KA to achieve Realisation?

> >

> > If YES, I am happy.

> >

> > If NO, what is the role of KA, in the path of realization? How

does

> > it speed up the realization? I can't understand, how the feeling

> > of `FLOATING OF BUBBLES AND SPREADING OF ENERGY ALL THROUGH THE

BODY'

> > makes one realize or leads to the realization that atma and

paramatma

> > is one. (I know this will seem to be a stupid question for the

> > realized people, but as a person who hasn't had the experience,

but

> > would like to know about it, I would like scholars to explain

this

> > kindly to me, considering me an infant in this field)

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> > 3. Thirdly, how can one awaken Kundali by Satwic means?

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> > 4. >>An adwaitic self-realization can come only when Kundalini

> > reaches Sahasrara and becomes fixed there.>>

> >

> > Is it possible to permanently fix Kundalini in Shasrarapadma? Is

this

> > the final stage which is called "Realisation'? Is this what is

> > called `Moksha'? What is the `Result' of this Realization? Is it

> > emancipation from the cycle of births and rebirths? How can one

> > physically explain it, I mean the Moksha state?

> >

> > Sholars kindly share your opinions.

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> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

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> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > > Kundalini, is an experience from what I gather. I may be

assuming

> > this

> > > > and will keep in mind that I may be wrong. For now, if I

assume

> > > > Kundalini to be an experience, then, it is an experience of

the

> > cosmic

> > > > mind and breaking of the individual mind that the Ego calls

its

> > own.

> > > > In that sense, the identification increases.

> > > >

> > > > In essence, kundalini can be an experience but not a "cause"

for

> > > > Realization.

> > >

> > > From the little I know, Kundalini awakening is an experience

that

> > MAY lead to Realization after more sadhana (possibly extending to

> > several lives). It does not guarantee Realization right away. A

> > dwaitic God-realization can come only when Kundalini reaches

ishta

> > devata in Hritpadma and becomes fixed there. An adwaitic self-

> > realization can come only when Kundalini reaches Sahasrara and

> > becomes fixed there. All these are a long way from a mere

Kundalini

> > awakening. One with clean nadis may experience a spontaneous

> > Kundalini rise immediately after the first awakening, but it may

not

> > be sustainable.

> > >

> > > Kundalini awakening is not an end goal. It is an intermediate

step

> > and Realization is the end goal.

> > >

> > > Kundalini management is best left to one's ishta devata

(atleast

> > upto Anahata) and one is better off not worrying about Kundalini

and

> > surrendering oneself to one's ishta devata without any

expectations.

> > That may be a slower approach than some vaamachaara practices,

but it

> > is a saattwik, safe and steady approach.

> > >

> > > When you meditate, do not become fixated on Kundalini rise.

That

> > fixation can only be a distraction. It requires several lives of

> > sadhana. Depending on your past, it may happen after one more day

or

> > after one more life. So take it easy and have no expectations.

> > >

> > > > Coming back to the Jyotish fundamentals behind the same, I

still

> > need

> > > > the knowledge

> > > > 1. Role of Atmakaraka in Kundalini Awakening

> > > > 2. What breaks the association with the dwandhas (pairs of

> > opposites)

> > > >

> > > > I request this knowledge from the knowers of it.

> > >

> > > Though I am not a "knower", but only a "seeker" of knowledge,

let

> > me share one point.

> > >

> > > As you correctly suspected, Atma karaka is very important. It

is

> > thru the individual soul that one's consciousness perceives the

> > universal soul.

> > >

> > > While Sun and Moon show the universal soul and the mind, I was

> > taught that atma karaka (AK) and amatya karaka (AmK) show the

> > individual soul and the individual consciousness. Just as you

find a

> > tithi from the longitudes of Sun and Moon, you can find a "karaka

> > tithi" from the longitudes of AK and AmK. Just as the normal

tithi

> > physically shows the phase of Moon and how much of Sun's light

Moon

> > is reflecting, this karaka tithi shows the phase of individual

> > consciousness and how much of the light held by the soul is

reflected

> > by the consciousness.

> > >

> > > As per tradition, this karaka tithi is supposed to be important

for

> > the native's spirituality. It throws light into the purpose of

> > creation of the person. Its lord controls the spiritual well-

being of

> > the person.

> > >

> > > In the charts of most of the mystics, you will find an

association

> > between the lord of the karaka tithi and the 8th house in D-20 or

> > atleast navamsa.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > Ketu representing sudden changes/quick movement which is very

> > > > symptomatic of the Vata dosha; when transiting lagna(which

also

> > > > represents the head) leads to Vata aggravation. If you had

> > headache

> > > > or a gripping sensation at the back of the head, then it is

> > confirmed

> > > > a sign of Vata aggravation.(headaches in the temporal

region/top

> > are

> > > > due to pitta and that around the sinuses/forehead are usually

due

> > to

> > > > kapha)

> > > >

> > > > The physical cause(not the astral cause)as per ayurveda is

> > > > aggravation of toxins in the large intestine, most of the

time

> > > > leading to constipation or poor bowel movement. The cure for

this

> > is

> > > > not to take vata aggravating foods, to take trifala before

> > bednight,

> > > > vata pacifying foods which are well cooked and special herbs

such

> > as

> > > > Ashwagandha (as per the advice of an ayurvedic practitioner).

It

> > > > looks like this was only a temporary malady for you and has

gone

> > by

> > > > now.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for sharing this. I will research more on Ketu

> > transitting

> > > > Lagna. If this is OK with you, could share what house and

sign

> > Natal

> > > > Ketu is in and how far it from from the Lagna lord in the

natal.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > -Vijay

> > >

> > > Sateesh is running the Dwisaptati sama dasa of Sun. Sun is in

the

> > 8th house in Aries in rasi chart. In D-6, he is the exalted 6th

lord.

> > Even as per Paryaaya dasa of D-6, Aries dasa is running now and

Aries

> > contains exalted 6th lord in D-6.

> > >

> > > My feeling is that Sateesh may have an aggravated pitta.

Dizziness

> > can come due to vaata or pitta. If one is dizzy and feels as

though

> > surroundings are unstable/moving, it is said to be due to vaata.

If

> > one is dizzy and feels as though surroundings are stable and only

> > he/she is unstable/moving, then it is said to be due to

aggravated

> > pitta in majja dhaatu (nerve marrow).

> > >

> > > Based on a quick look at Sateesh's chart, my gut feeling is

that he

> > has aggravated pitta. For pitta related dizziness, Skullcap and

> > Brahmi are good herbs.

> > >

> > > In general, Sateesh should take good care of his health during

Sun-

> > Venus (2005-06).

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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> > >

> > > > Namaskaar Sri Pandit & Sri Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > Om! Bhadram karnebhih s'rnuyama devah Bhadram

> > pasyemakshabhiryajatrah

> > > > Sthirairangaistushtuvamsastanubhir

> > > > Vyasema devahitam yadayuh

> > > > Svasti na indro vriddhasravah

> > > > Svasti nah pusha visvavedah

> > > > Svasti nastarkshyo arishtanemih

> > > > Svasti no brihaspatirdadhatu

> > > >

> > > > Om Santih; Santih; Santih

> > > >

> > > > It is true one would know about it but it is clear it does

not

> > arise

> > > > from "wanting to awake it". In that sense, it is a byproduct

of

> > one's

> > > > sadhana, etc.

> > > >

> > > > I heartily thank Sri Narasimha for providing a vivid detail of

> > > > someone's experience of Kundalini and taking time out (from

> > writing

> > > > the Tithi Pravesh Book) to type all that.

> > > >

> > > > As I understand, Realization of one's True Self (Self

> > Realization) is

> > > > not an experience. It is a realization that subject-object

> > distinction

> > > > isn't there. Every experience is between subject and object.

In

> > > > Realization, there is no subject and object difference, hence

> > cannot

> > > > be called an experience. It is also beautifully said - The

want

> > for

> > > > Moksha is the first and final impediment to the same.

> > > >

> > > > Kundalini, is an experience from what I gather. I may be

assuming

> > this

> > > > and will keep in mind that I may be wrong. For now, if I

assume

> > > > Kundalini to be an experience, then, it is an experience of

the

> > cosmic

> > > > mind and breaking of the individual mind that the Ego calls

its

> > own.

> > > > In that sense, the identification increases.

> > > >

> > > > I read elsewhere, that a person goes through myraid of

emotions

> > and

> > > > feelings that were never his/her own. In cosmos

(hriyanagarbha)

> > all

> > > > thoughts and emotions are present, we call some as our own

and

> > that

> > > > "Mine" thought is the assumed "Ego". This shows, there is an

> > > > identification and an experience of the cosmic mind. The

energy

> > that

> > > > was contained near one's aura, flows in every direction.

> > > >

> > > > However, the "Mine" remains in a larger context. As in

Savikalpa

> > > > samadhi that I mentioned in the earlier post. I have also

read,

> > that

> > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa saw mother kali everywhere but not

> > within

> > > > himself for some time. And then, his Guru helped him

understand

> > his

> > > > mistake.

> > > >

> > > > In essence, kundalini can be an experience but not a "cause"

for

> > > > Realization.

> > > >

> > > > Coming back to the Jyotish fundamentals behind the same, I

still

> > need

> > > > the knowledge

> > > > 1. Role of Atmakaraka in Kundalini Awakening

> > > > 2. What breaks the association with the dwandhas (pairs of

> > opposites)

> > > >

> > > > I request this knowledge from the knowers of it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat