Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear All members, I have followed many posts on the very intresting topic called 'Kundalini'. One thought triggered in my Mind y'day which triggered chain of thoughts. Alomst everybody knows about Kundalini, that it is a Shakti which is sitting like a 'Serpant' form in Muladhar Chakra and when it is activated or awakened, it rises to Swadhishthan, Manipur, Anahat, Vishudhha, Agna & finally reaches Sahsraar (1000 petal lotus) where Shiva (Ishta Devta) sits and there forms the Union of Shiva & Shakti and the Jeeva goes in to 'Nirvikalpa Samadhi' and in that state, the body remains only for 21 days. only few with special mission with god's command, come back to lower plane to perform their mission. The above was something which i have understood abot Kundalini. Now the thought came to my mind is that in Northern part, we call 'vedic chart' as 'Janma Kundali' or Simply 'Kundali'. so i wonder whether there is any relation between the two. we know that 'Jyotisha' is the part of Veda or 'Eyes of Veda' to be precise. Jyotisha knowledge hepls jyotishi to perform good deeds by using it for guiding, helping people and hence accquiring good karma's. Jyotisha is naturally connected to Spirituality as well as it also encourage sacred living and Sadhana. so i fencied that Jyotishi's may be blessed with the activation of Kundalini of it's own with the grace of lord if they try to see as many 'Kundalis' of the people in distress without any expectations or pride, use these devine knowledge for 'Paropkar' (actually Upakara on his/her own self)and try to draw as many Kundalis (Diamond / Yantra Charts) to have the natural experince of Kundalini Jagaran without even setting it as the goal. As we know that Jyotishi's are always blessed by the supreme Guru Shiva and the Shastra come s under the realm of Mokasha Devta Gajapati. tried to make such a heavy topic bit lighter :-> best regards, utpal vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > Respected Bharatji and Narasimhji, > > > > I express my sincere thanks to Narasimhji, Bharatji and all other > scholars who found time to answer and clarify my doubts regarding > Kundalini Awakening. > > Regards, > Jyothi. > > > vedic astrology, "bharateiya" > <bharateiya> wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Jyothi > > > > 1. > > Realization is not an achievement. It is an already achieved > goal. "It > > is like a person who slides his specs onto the forehead, and then, > > forgets where he kept the specs. In that state of ignorance, it runs > > here and there to find them (desires)." You are very correct is > > stating that it is not an achievement. This is my contention that > > Kundalini being an experience relates to Subject-Object world and > > denotes only to the mind and cosmic mind. Ignorance still remains. > > Like in our above example, maybe the person can enlighten all the > > rooms with light through electricity and finds all the objects in > his > > house, he still does not realize that the spectacles are on his > forehead. > > > > My post was in Jyotish Group and perhaps you did not read it. > > > > > > 2. The question dissolves. Realization is not under the purview of > > cause and effect and therefore, Kundalini or any other form of > > experience cannot "effect" Realization. > > > > 3. Something I have no idea about. I have been taught that Kundalini > > is a by product of one's sadhana. > > > > 4. I would say with Realization, no force is separate from you. What > > is fixed in whom it is fixed, all separativeness would dissolve. > > > > Somehow this discussion is going elsewhere. I would again like to > keep > > it under the purview of Jyotish. > > > > Thank you again to Sri Narasimha for giving directions on Atmakaraka > > and karaka pravesh and its relationship with 8 house in D-20 and D- > 9. > > I shall study the related combinations in charts where I suppose an > > experience of Kundalini has taken place. > > > > I thank all the other contributors for their comments and > suggestions. > > > > I still await a longer response from Sri Pandit and other learned > > members. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" > > <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > > > Respected Sir, > > > > > > Please forgive me if I am asking doubts in a pragmatic > way. > > > As I am not evolved as you all, I am able to understand things if > > > said only in a basic level. Frankly speaking, I am really getting > > > confused about this KA. It would be a great help if you could > > > enlighten me a little more on certain concepts about this. Hope > > > respected scholars do not mind if I straight away shoot my doubts. > > > > > > > > > 1. Is Realization some `STATE TO BE ACHIEVED' OR is it AN > > > ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, COMPREHENSION and IDENTIFICATION OF THE FACT > THAT > > > ATMA AND PARAMATMA ARE ONE AND THE SAME (I mean, identifying both > > > intellectually and emotionally; How to realize it `PHYSICALLY' I > > > donno, Is that what Kundali awakening does?)? So far, I have > > > believed that the latter (not a state to be achieved, but > realization > > > of the idea) is what is meant by Realization. > > > > > > Reason for doubt: After reading the various `methods' adopted by > > > people to achieve this realization I feel it is a step (like the > > > higher most step in a ladder, after reading your mail I > understand it > > > is only an intermediate step) to be reached and unless one go > through > > > the first, second third. etc KA being one important step between > > > these, one cannot reach the top of the ladder (top being > Realization) > > > > > > > > > 2. Secondly, (a follow up of the above question) Is `Realisation' > > > possible without Kundali awakening? I mean, can one override this > > > intermediate step of KA to achieve Realisation? > > > > > > If YES, I am happy. > > > > > > If NO, what is the role of KA, in the path of realization? How > does > > > it speed up the realization? I can't understand, how the feeling > > > of `FLOATING OF BUBBLES AND SPREADING OF ENERGY ALL THROUGH THE > BODY' > > > makes one realize or leads to the realization that atma and > paramatma > > > is one. (I know this will seem to be a stupid question for the > > > realized people, but as a person who hasn't had the experience, > but > > > would like to know about it, I would like scholars to explain > this > > > kindly to me, considering me an infant in this field) > > > > > > 3. Thirdly, how can one awaken Kundali by Satwic means? > > > > > > 4. >>An adwaitic self-realization can come only when Kundalini > > > reaches Sahasrara and becomes fixed there.>> > > > > > > Is it possible to permanently fix Kundalini in Shasrarapadma? Is > this > > > the final stage which is called "Realisation'? Is this what is > > > called `Moksha'? What is the `Result' of this Realization? Is it > > > emancipation from the cycle of births and rebirths? How can one > > > physically explain it, I mean the Moksha state? > > > > > > Sholars kindly share your opinions. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, is an experience from what I gather. I may be > assuming > > > this > > > > > and will keep in mind that I may be wrong. For now, if I > assume > > > > > Kundalini to be an experience, then, it is an experience of > the > > > cosmic > > > > > mind and breaking of the individual mind that the Ego calls > its > > > own. > > > > > In that sense, the identification increases. > > > > > > > > > > In essence, kundalini can be an experience but not a "cause" > for > > > > > Realization. > > > > > > > > From the little I know, Kundalini awakening is an experience > that > > > MAY lead to Realization after more sadhana (possibly extending to > > > several lives). It does not guarantee Realization right away. A > > > dwaitic God-realization can come only when Kundalini reaches > ishta > > > devata in Hritpadma and becomes fixed there. An adwaitic self- > > > realization can come only when Kundalini reaches Sahasrara and > > > becomes fixed there. All these are a long way from a mere > Kundalini > > > awakening. One with clean nadis may experience a spontaneous > > > Kundalini rise immediately after the first awakening, but it may > not > > > be sustainable. > > > > > > > > Kundalini awakening is not an end goal. It is an intermediate > step > > > and Realization is the end goal. > > > > > > > > Kundalini management is best left to one's ishta devata > (atleast > > > upto Anahata) and one is better off not worrying about Kundalini > and > > > surrendering oneself to one's ishta devata without any > expectations. > > > That may be a slower approach than some vaamachaara practices, > but it > > > is a saattwik, safe and steady approach. > > > > > > > > When you meditate, do not become fixated on Kundalini rise. > That > > > fixation can only be a distraction. It requires several lives of > > > sadhana. Depending on your past, it may happen after one more day > or > > > after one more life. So take it easy and have no expectations. > > > > > > > > > Coming back to the Jyotish fundamentals behind the same, I > still > > > need > > > > > the knowledge > > > > > 1. Role of Atmakaraka in Kundalini Awakening > > > > > 2. What breaks the association with the dwandhas (pairs of > > > opposites) > > > > > > > > > > I request this knowledge from the knowers of it. > > > > > > > > Though I am not a "knower", but only a "seeker" of knowledge, > let > > > me share one point. > > > > > > > > As you correctly suspected, Atma karaka is very important. It > is > > > thru the individual soul that one's consciousness perceives the > > > universal soul. > > > > > > > > While Sun and Moon show the universal soul and the mind, I was > > > taught that atma karaka (AK) and amatya karaka (AmK) show the > > > individual soul and the individual consciousness. Just as you > find a > > > tithi from the longitudes of Sun and Moon, you can find a "karaka > > > tithi" from the longitudes of AK and AmK. Just as the normal > tithi > > > physically shows the phase of Moon and how much of Sun's light > Moon > > > is reflecting, this karaka tithi shows the phase of individual > > > consciousness and how much of the light held by the soul is > reflected > > > by the consciousness. > > > > > > > > As per tradition, this karaka tithi is supposed to be important > for > > > the native's spirituality. It throws light into the purpose of > > > creation of the person. Its lord controls the spiritual well- > being of > > > the person. > > > > > > > > In the charts of most of the mystics, you will find an > association > > > between the lord of the karaka tithi and the 8th house in D-20 or > > > atleast navamsa. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > Ketu representing sudden changes/quick movement which is very > > > > > symptomatic of the Vata dosha; when transiting lagna(which > also > > > > > represents the head) leads to Vata aggravation. If you had > > > headache > > > > > or a gripping sensation at the back of the head, then it is > > > confirmed > > > > > a sign of Vata aggravation.(headaches in the temporal > region/top > > > are > > > > > due to pitta and that around the sinuses/forehead are usually > due > > > to > > > > > kapha) > > > > > > > > > > The physical cause(not the astral cause)as per ayurveda is > > > > > aggravation of toxins in the large intestine, most of the > time > > > > > leading to constipation or poor bowel movement. The cure for > this > > > is > > > > > not to take vata aggravating foods, to take trifala before > > > bednight, > > > > > vata pacifying foods which are well cooked and special herbs > such > > > as > > > > > Ashwagandha (as per the advice of an ayurvedic practitioner). > It > > > > > looks like this was only a temporary malady for you and has > gone > > > by > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing this. I will research more on Ketu > > > transitting > > > > > Lagna. If this is OK with you, could share what house and > sign > > > Natal > > > > > Ketu is in and how far it from from the Lagna lord in the > natal. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > -Vijay > > > > > > > > Sateesh is running the Dwisaptati sama dasa of Sun. Sun is in > the > > > 8th house in Aries in rasi chart. In D-6, he is the exalted 6th > lord. > > > Even as per Paryaaya dasa of D-6, Aries dasa is running now and > Aries > > > contains exalted 6th lord in D-6. > > > > > > > > My feeling is that Sateesh may have an aggravated pitta. > Dizziness > > > can come due to vaata or pitta. If one is dizzy and feels as > though > > > surroundings are unstable/moving, it is said to be due to vaata. > If > > > one is dizzy and feels as though surroundings are stable and only > > > he/she is unstable/moving, then it is said to be due to > aggravated > > > pitta in majja dhaatu (nerve marrow). > > > > > > > > Based on a quick look at Sateesh's chart, my gut feeling is > that he > > > has aggravated pitta. For pitta related dizziness, Skullcap and > > > Brahmi are good herbs. > > > > > > > > In general, Sateesh should take good care of his health during > Sun- > > > Venus (2005-06). > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ---------------------------- --- > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > ---------------------------- --- > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Pandit & Sri Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > Om! Bhadram karnebhih s'rnuyama devah Bhadram > > > pasyemakshabhiryajatrah > > > > > Sthirairangaistushtuvamsastanubhir > > > > > Vyasema devahitam yadayuh > > > > > Svasti na indro vriddhasravah > > > > > Svasti nah pusha visvavedah > > > > > Svasti nastarkshyo arishtanemih > > > > > Svasti no brihaspatirdadhatu > > > > > > > > > > Om Santih; Santih; Santih > > > > > > > > > > It is true one would know about it but it is clear it does > not > > > arise > > > > > from "wanting to awake it". In that sense, it is a byproduct > of > > > one's > > > > > sadhana, etc. > > > > > > > > > > I heartily thank Sri Narasimha for providing a vivid detail of > > > > > someone's experience of Kundalini and taking time out (from > > > writing > > > > > the Tithi Pravesh Book) to type all that. > > > > > > > > > > As I understand, Realization of one's True Self (Self > > > Realization) is > > > > > not an experience. It is a realization that subject-object > > > distinction > > > > > isn't there. Every experience is between subject and object. > In > > > > > Realization, there is no subject and object difference, hence > > > cannot > > > > > be called an experience. It is also beautifully said - The > want > > > for > > > > > Moksha is the first and final impediment to the same. > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, is an experience from what I gather. I may be > assuming > > > this > > > > > and will keep in mind that I may be wrong. For now, if I > assume > > > > > Kundalini to be an experience, then, it is an experience of > the > > > cosmic > > > > > mind and breaking of the individual mind that the Ego calls > its > > > own. > > > > > In that sense, the identification increases. > > > > > > > > > > I read elsewhere, that a person goes through myraid of > emotions > > > and > > > > > feelings that were never his/her own. In cosmos > (hriyanagarbha) > > > all > > > > > thoughts and emotions are present, we call some as our own > and > > > that > > > > > "Mine" thought is the assumed "Ego". This shows, there is an > > > > > identification and an experience of the cosmic mind. The > energy > > > that > > > > > was contained near one's aura, flows in every direction. > > > > > > > > > > However, the "Mine" remains in a larger context. As in > Savikalpa > > > > > samadhi that I mentioned in the earlier post. I have also > read, > > > that > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa saw mother kali everywhere but not > > > within > > > > > himself for some time. And then, his Guru helped him > understand > > > his > > > > > mistake. > > > > > > > > > > In essence, kundalini can be an experience but not a "cause" > for > > > > > Realization. > > > > > > > > > > Coming back to the Jyotish fundamentals behind the same, I > still > > > need > > > > > the knowledge > > > > > 1. Role of Atmakaraka in Kundalini Awakening > > > > > 2. What breaks the association with the dwandhas (pairs of > > > opposites) > > > > > > > > > > I request this knowledge from the knowers of it. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear All, I'm new to this group and i m keenly interested in astrology and trying to learn by myself. As a practitioner of kundali yoga for the past several years, i would like to share some of the thoughts as told by my Guru Shri Vethathiri Maharishi. (http://www.vethathiri.org) Below is an excellent article written by my Guru on Kundali yoga and meditation. BENEFITS OF MEDITATION ON ENDOCRINE CHAKRAS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By Sri Vethathiri Maharishi Like Transformers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The sexual vital fluid is the container of the life-force, i.e., the life-force is resting on the sexual vital fluid. Harmones are nearer to the sexual vital fluid in the whole body. Now let us see how the harmones are working. You can imagine or visualize the transformers in the electrical sytem. Electricity is generated in one place and taken to another for distribution. In the process and even in distribution through cables, there is bound to be some exhaustion and after some miles of travelling, the force of the electricity will become less, because of the wastage. This is technically called as transmission loss. In this condition, electric lamps and other gadgets cannot get their requirement with the same frequency or pressure. It is to avoid such weakening that transformers are installed along the line. These transformers ensure supply of electricity at the appropriate voltage or intensity. Similarly, the life-force is working all over the body. It has its own transformers to spread the life-force uniformly in the whole body. These transformers in the physical body are the harmones secreting endocrine glands. These endocrine glands are seven in our body. They are the working centres of the soul or the life-force. Why meditation is prescribed to all people? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For most people, the working centre is Mooladhara, near the sexual gland. Those who are working in research and other intense intellectual occupations have a portion of the energy moved upwards, as a result of their deep thinking. When one brings the mind to subtler and subtler functions, the sakthi (energy) is rising automatically from the Mooladhara and a very minute portion is taken to all the Chakras (Centres) finally reaching the Crown Chakra. Yogis consciously practice to bring energy from the Mooladhara to the Agna Chakra, and then, to the Crown Chakra. When the energy is brought up, the mind and its functions acquire equilibrium; also, the life-force will spread to all parts of the body and the brain cells. Therefore, mentally and physically, man will be efficient. It is for this reason that Yoga and Meditation is prescribed for all people. On the way of bringing the energy upwards, there are other working Centres. From Mooladhara, the next stages are Swadistana, Manipuraka, Anahat, Visuddhi, Agna and lastly Brahmarandhar. These are the seven working Centres. There are five layers in the body. According to the gravitational force, solid body is always sticking with the Earth. All the people are getting the energy-centre only in the Mooladhara, because, the imprints of all experiences, desires of all things are in the lifeforce. The life-force is always attracted downwards because of material activities. Extra-Sensory Perception ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Mooladhara is the centre related to the Earth, Prithivh Thatwa (Elemental Earth). Similarly, the Earth Centre is always in the lower part of the body. There is no other part of the body lower in position than that. You may say the ribs are there, but, what is germane is that the vertebrae terminate at the Mooladhara. The second centre is Swadhistana having its seat between the navel and the sexual gland, i.e., between the Manipuraka and the Mooladhara. It is related to the Appu Tatwa (Water centre) or Spleen centre. The Swadistana is linked with the sexual gland and also to Adrenal gland. It is a powerful centre. Concentrating on this centre, man could add to sexual instinct. Also, it will help intuition, clairvoyance, because of its connection with the adrenal gland. The third centre is the Manipuraka having its seat in the naval region and is related to Theyu Tatwa (elemental fire). This is linked with the adrenal gland. This is more powerful than the lower centre. The Manipuraka Centre is the centre of the nerve-system and this has much power to spread energy to the whole body and also to attract other souls easily from outward for its working order in the ESP faculties. ESP is Extra-Sensory Perception. The mind is tuned to within itself and other activites are controlled. The inherent faculty blossoms, because, the energy is linked with the whole Universe and with all the minds of the people. The practitioner is enabled to understand every thing, everywhere. He can see things without eyes, he can hear without ears, read others' minds and develop clairvoyance. Not the Heart! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Those who are meditating in the Manipuraka Centre alone, without going to the Thuriya state, become receptive to wandering souls that might now become attached. This Centre is to be managed with care as obstruction is also more likely to come. The obstruction will cause much troubles. The fourth is Anahat, having its seat in the region of the heart centre. This is related to the Vayu Tatwa (elemental air). It is linked to the thymus gland. The region of the heartcentre is not the heart. Heart here refers to Centre as in the expression heart of the city and heart of the matter. The heart centre for meditation is two inches above the pit where both the breast bones come together. This is connected with the thymus gland. The cautions and benefits of the gland are similar to those of the adrenal gland. The centre gives courage and inventive aptitude of doing things. These are in addition to the abilities of the navelcentre. The fifth centre is the Visuddhi (or also Visukthi), having its seat in the region to the throat. This is related to the Akash Tatwa (ether). It is linked with the thyroid gland. When we meditate on the Visuddhi Centre, we get linked to the Universal Source, Maha Akash. Everyone is a little reservoir of the big reservoir, viz., the Universe. So, we are constantly getting energy from the universal source and also the surplus from here goes to the universal source. A way to reduce food ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When we meditate on the Vissuddhi, we are getting connected with the thyroid and parathyroid glands. If the thyroid gland becomes defective in functioning, man becomes lean or stout irrespective of the foodintake. If you are doing meditation on the throat centre, such imbalances in weight are set right. Further since you get more energy from the cosmos. The quantity of food consumed would become less and you would feel light. The following four are usual sources for our life energy:- One is food, the next is air, the third is astronomical radiations and the fourth is from the interior of the Earth where the isotopes are being crushed all the time, releasing energy outwards to the circumference of the Globe. If we are in the habit of keeping our tummies stuffed all the time, we close our system to the last two sources, supply from which is powerful than food or air. This is the rationale behind the ritual of fasting in our country. Meditation on the throat chakra might sometimes give you some pressure sensation in the throat region. If such be the case, shift at once to the next centre. The difficulty may be there only in the intitial stages of meditation. After practising for a few weeks, the trouble would cease. The sixth is Agna having its seat in the region between the eyebrows and is related to the life-force. It is linked with the pituitary gland. The word Agna means control, administration. This centre controls the sensual activities. This is called the Third Eye which is an addition to sensual perception and abilities. Here, only the sixth sense is increasing more and more to expose your potential fully. Hence, it is called the intellectual point to control the senses. If you divide the brain into three parts, the front portion is the intellectual part, having control over the sense-organs. The middle part is the lobe of wisdom, the function of which is to increase and transform man from material consciousness to God- consciousness. The rear part is the lobe of universal secrets. It is also connected with the pineal gland or the master gland for psychic functions. The Crown Centre ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Finally, the seventh is Brahmarandra (Thuriya Centre) which is called Crown Centre. Thuriya means highest peak. Brahmarandhra or Thuriya is linked with the pituitary. The pineal provides direct connection and so it is the gland of psychic function - to adjust the focussing of the mind to any part, to any frequency. When you meditate on the pineal gland, the pituitary will also get the benefit. This Centre is also called the Sahasrathara or the thousand petalled lotus. In the east, our forefathers had found that our brain has 'one thousand' regional valves. Each valve has a specific function. When all these thousand regional valves are activated to function, man's intellect will increase sharply and by the development of the knowledge, he will be able to fix his mind with the level of Universal function or Universal force. That is why it is called Brahmarandhar. Brahma means god Randhar means Hole of Way. So the expression Brahmarandhar means gate way to God. The eighth centre is the Universal Energy Field and the ninth centre is the Absolute Space. The benefits get of these last two centres are well known to you. The benefits are so great and vast that a separate article is to be written elaborately. If you are able to meditate on all the chakras, different harmones are produced to the maximum level and both the body and mind are maintained very well. Every endocrine gland is having its own closeknit nerve system around it and some specific muscles and also connected with those nerves very closely. In addition to that, every gland is linked with a certain area in the brain. So, a special faculty is increasing by meditating in each of the endocrine chakras. When you are able to meditate on all the endocrine chakras frequently, these chakras are activated to expose all the potential of man fully to the benefit of the practitioner. Regards, Siva. vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > Dear All members, > > I have followed many posts on the very intresting topic > called 'Kundalini'. One thought triggered in my Mind y'day which > triggered chain of thoughts. > > Alomst everybody knows about Kundalini, that it is a Shakti which is > sitting like a 'Serpant' form in Muladhar Chakra and when it is > activated or awakened, it rises to Swadhishthan, Manipur, Anahat, > Vishudhha, Agna & finally reaches Sahsraar (1000 petal lotus) where > Shiva (Ishta Devta) sits and there forms the Union of Shiva & Shakti > and the Jeeva goes in to 'Nirvikalpa Samadhi' and in that state, the > body remains only for 21 days. only few with special mission with > god's command, come back to lower plane to perform their mission. > > The above was something which i have understood abot Kundalini. Now > the thought came to my mind is that in Northern part, we call 'vedic > chart' as 'Janma Kundali' or Simply 'Kundali'. so i wonder whether > there is any relation between the two. we know that 'Jyotisha' is > the part of Veda or 'Eyes of Veda' to be precise. Jyotisha knowledge > hepls jyotishi to perform good deeds by using it for guiding, > helping people and hence accquiring good karma's. Jyotisha is > naturally connected to Spirituality as well as it also encourage > sacred living and Sadhana. > > so i fencied that Jyotishi's may be blessed with the activation of > Kundalini of it's own with the grace of lord if they try to see as > many 'Kundalis' of the people in distress without any expectations > or pride, use these devine knowledge for 'Paropkar' (actually > Upakara on his/her own self)and try to draw as many Kundalis > (Diamond / Yantra Charts) to have the natural experince of Kundalini > Jagaran without even setting it as the goal. > > As we know that Jyotishi's are always blessed by the supreme Guru > Shiva and the Shastra come s under the realm of Mokasha Devta > Gajapati. > > tried to make such a heavy topic bit lighter :-> > > best regards, > > utpal > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" > <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > > Respected Bharatji and Narasimhji, > > > > > > > > I express my sincere thanks to Narasimhji, Bharatji and all > other > > scholars who found time to answer and clarify my doubts regarding > > Kundalini Awakening. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "bharateiya" > > <bharateiya> wrote: > > > Namaskaar Sri Jyothi > > > > > > 1. > > > Realization is not an achievement. It is an already achieved > > goal. "It > > > is like a person who slides his specs onto the forehead, and > then, > > > forgets where he kept the specs. In that state of ignorance, it > runs > > > here and there to find them (desires)." You are very correct is > > > stating that it is not an achievement. This is my contention that > > > Kundalini being an experience relates to Subject-Object world and > > > denotes only to the mind and cosmic mind. Ignorance still > remains. > > > Like in our above example, maybe the person can enlighten all the > > > rooms with light through electricity and finds all the objects > in > > his > > > house, he still does not realize that the spectacles are on his > > forehead. > > > > > > My post was in Jyotish Group and perhaps you did not read it. > > > > > > > > > 2. The question dissolves. Realization is not under the purview > of > > > cause and effect and therefore, Kundalini or any other form of > > > experience cannot "effect" Realization. > > > > > > 3. Something I have no idea about. I have been taught that > Kundalini > > > is a by product of one's sadhana. > > > > > > 4. I would say with Realization, no force is separate from you. > What > > > is fixed in whom it is fixed, all separativeness would dissolve. > > > > > > Somehow this discussion is going elsewhere. I would again like > to > > keep > > > it under the purview of Jyotish. > > > > > > Thank you again to Sri Narasimha for giving directions on > Atmakaraka > > > and karaka pravesh and its relationship with 8 house in D-20 and > D- > > 9. > > > I shall study the related combinations in charts where I suppose > an > > > experience of Kundalini has taken place. > > > > > > I thank all the other contributors for their comments and > > suggestions. > > > > > > I still await a longer response from Sri Pandit and other learned > > > members. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" > > > <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir, > > > > > > > > Please forgive me if I am asking doubts in a > pragmatic > > way. > > > > As I am not evolved as you all, I am able to understand things > if > > > > said only in a basic level. Frankly speaking, I am really > getting > > > > confused about this KA. It would be a great help if you could > > > > enlighten me a little more on certain concepts about this. > Hope > > > > respected scholars do not mind if I straight away shoot my > doubts. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is Realization some `STATE TO BE ACHIEVED' OR is it AN > > > > ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, COMPREHENSION and IDENTIFICATION OF THE > FACT > > THAT > > > > ATMA AND PARAMATMA ARE ONE AND THE SAME (I mean, identifying > both > > > > intellectually and emotionally; How to realize it `PHYSICALLY' > I > > > > donno, Is that what Kundali awakening does?)? So far, I have > > > > believed that the latter (not a state to be achieved, but > > realization > > > > of the idea) is what is meant by Realization. > > > > > > > > Reason for doubt: After reading the various `methods' adopted > by > > > > people to achieve this realization I feel it is a step (like > the > > > > higher most step in a ladder, after reading your mail I > > understand it > > > > is only an intermediate step) to be reached and unless one go > > through > > > > the first, second third. etc KA being one important step > between > > > > these, one cannot reach the top of the ladder (top being > > Realization) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Secondly, (a follow up of the above question) Is > `Realisation' > > > > possible without Kundali awakening? I mean, can one override > this > > > > intermediate step of KA to achieve Realisation? > > > > > > > > If YES, I am happy. > > > > > > > > If NO, what is the role of KA, in the path of realization? How > > does > > > > it speed up the realization? I can't understand, how the > feeling > > > > of `FLOATING OF BUBBLES AND SPREADING OF ENERGY ALL THROUGH > THE > > BODY' > > > > makes one realize or leads to the realization that atma and > > paramatma > > > > is one. (I know this will seem to be a stupid question for the > > > > realized people, but as a person who hasn't had the > experience, > > but > > > > would like to know about it, I would like scholars to explain > > this > > > > kindly to me, considering me an infant in this field) > > > > > > > > 3. Thirdly, how can one awaken Kundali by Satwic means? > > > > > > > > 4. >>An adwaitic self-realization can come only when Kundalini > > > > reaches Sahasrara and becomes fixed there.>> > > > > > > > > Is it possible to permanently fix Kundalini in Shasrarapadma? > Is > > this > > > > the final stage which is called "Realisation'? Is this what > is > > > > called `Moksha'? What is the `Result' of this Realization? Is > it > > > > emancipation from the cycle of births and rebirths? How can > one > > > > physically explain it, I mean the Moksha state? > > > > > > > > Sholars kindly share your opinions. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, is an experience from what I gather. I may be > > assuming > > > > this > > > > > > and will keep in mind that I may be wrong. For now, if I > > assume > > > > > > Kundalini to be an experience, then, it is an experience > of > > the > > > > cosmic > > > > > > mind and breaking of the individual mind that the Ego > calls > > its > > > > own. > > > > > > In that sense, the identification increases. > > > > > > > > > > > > In essence, kundalini can be an experience but not > a "cause" > > for > > > > > > Realization. > > > > > > > > > > From the little I know, Kundalini awakening is an experience > > that > > > > MAY lead to Realization after more sadhana (possibly extending > to > > > > several lives). It does not guarantee Realization right away. > A > > > > dwaitic God-realization can come only when Kundalini reaches > > ishta > > > > devata in Hritpadma and becomes fixed there. An adwaitic self- > > > > realization can come only when Kundalini reaches Sahasrara and > > > > becomes fixed there. All these are a long way from a mere > > Kundalini > > > > awakening. One with clean nadis may experience a spontaneous > > > > Kundalini rise immediately after the first awakening, but it > may > > not > > > > be sustainable. > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini awakening is not an end goal. It is an > intermediate > > step > > > > and Realization is the end goal. > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini management is best left to one's ishta devata > > (atleast > > > > upto Anahata) and one is better off not worrying about > Kundalini > > and > > > > surrendering oneself to one's ishta devata without any > > expectations. > > > > That may be a slower approach than some vaamachaara practices, > > but it > > > > is a saattwik, safe and steady approach. > > > > > > > > > > When you meditate, do not become fixated on Kundalini rise. > > That > > > > fixation can only be a distraction. It requires several lives > of > > > > sadhana. Depending on your past, it may happen after one more > day > > or > > > > after one more life. So take it easy and have no expectations. > > > > > > > > > > > Coming back to the Jyotish fundamentals behind the same, I > > still > > > > need > > > > > > the knowledge > > > > > > 1. Role of Atmakaraka in Kundalini Awakening > > > > > > 2. What breaks the association with the dwandhas (pairs of > > > > opposites) > > > > > > > > > > > > I request this knowledge from the knowers of it. > > > > > > > > > > Though I am not a "knower", but only a "seeker" of > knowledge, > > let > > > > me share one point. > > > > > > > > > > As you correctly suspected, Atma karaka is very important. > It > > is > > > > thru the individual soul that one's consciousness perceives > the > > > > universal soul. > > > > > > > > > > While Sun and Moon show the universal soul and the mind, I > was > > > > taught that atma karaka (AK) and amatya karaka (AmK) show the > > > > individual soul and the individual consciousness. Just as you > > find a > > > > tithi from the longitudes of Sun and Moon, you can find > a "karaka > > > > tithi" from the longitudes of AK and AmK. Just as the normal > > tithi > > > > physically shows the phase of Moon and how much of Sun's light > > Moon > > > > is reflecting, this karaka tithi shows the phase of individual > > > > consciousness and how much of the light held by the soul is > > reflected > > > > by the consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > As per tradition, this karaka tithi is supposed to be > important > > for > > > > the native's spirituality. It throws light into the purpose of > > > > creation of the person. Its lord controls the spiritual well- > > being of > > > > the person. > > > > > > > > > > In the charts of most of the mystics, you will find an > > association > > > > between the lord of the karaka tithi and the 8th house in D- 20 > or > > > > atleast navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu representing sudden changes/quick movement which is > very > > > > > > symptomatic of the Vata dosha; when transiting lagna (which > > also > > > > > > represents the head) leads to Vata aggravation. If you had > > > > headache > > > > > > or a gripping sensation at the back of the head, then it > is > > > > confirmed > > > > > > a sign of Vata aggravation.(headaches in the temporal > > region/top > > > > are > > > > > > due to pitta and that around the sinuses/forehead are > usually > > due > > > > to > > > > > > kapha) > > > > > > > > > > > > The physical cause(not the astral cause)as per ayurveda is > > > > > > aggravation of toxins in the large intestine, most of the > > time > > > > > > leading to constipation or poor bowel movement. The cure > for > > this > > > > is > > > > > > not to take vata aggravating foods, to take trifala before > > > > bednight, > > > > > > vata pacifying foods which are well cooked and special > herbs > > such > > > > as > > > > > > Ashwagandha (as per the advice of an ayurvedic > practitioner). > > It > > > > > > looks like this was only a temporary malady for you and > has > > gone > > > > by > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing this. I will research more on Ketu > > > > transitting > > > > > > Lagna. If this is OK with you, could share what house and > > sign > > > > Natal > > > > > > Ketu is in and how far it from from the Lagna lord in the > > natal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > -Vijay > > > > > > > > > > Sateesh is running the Dwisaptati sama dasa of Sun. Sun is > in > > the > > > > 8th house in Aries in rasi chart. In D-6, he is the exalted > 6th > > lord. > > > > Even as per Paryaaya dasa of D-6, Aries dasa is running now > and > > Aries > > > > contains exalted 6th lord in D-6. > > > > > > > > > > My feeling is that Sateesh may have an aggravated pitta. > > Dizziness > > > > can come due to vaata or pitta. If one is dizzy and feels as > > though > > > > surroundings are unstable/moving, it is said to be due to > vaata. > > If > > > > one is dizzy and feels as though surroundings are stable and > only > > > > he/she is unstable/moving, then it is said to be due to > > aggravated > > > > pitta in majja dhaatu (nerve marrow). > > > > > > > > > > Based on a quick look at Sateesh's chart, my gut feeling is > > that he > > > > has aggravated pitta. For pitta related dizziness, Skullcap > and > > > > Brahmi are good herbs. > > > > > > > > > > In general, Sateesh should take good care of his health > during > > Sun- > > > > Venus (2005-06). > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > -------------------------- -- > --- > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > -------------------------- -- > --- > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Pandit & Sri Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > Om! Bhadram karnebhih s'rnuyama devah Bhadram > > > > pasyemakshabhiryajatrah > > > > > > Sthirairangaistushtuvamsastanubhir > > > > > > Vyasema devahitam yadayuh > > > > > > Svasti na indro vriddhasravah > > > > > > Svasti nah pusha visvavedah > > > > > > Svasti nastarkshyo arishtanemih > > > > > > Svasti no brihaspatirdadhatu > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Santih; Santih; Santih > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true one would know about it but it is clear it does > > not > > > > arise > > > > > > from "wanting to awake it". In that sense, it is a > byproduct > > of > > > > one's > > > > > > sadhana, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I heartily thank Sri Narasimha for providing a vivid > detail of > > > > > > someone's experience of Kundalini and taking time out > (from > > > > writing > > > > > > the Tithi Pravesh Book) to type all that. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand, Realization of one's True Self (Self > > > > Realization) is > > > > > > not an experience. It is a realization that subject- object > > > > distinction > > > > > > isn't there. Every experience is between subject and > object. > > In > > > > > > Realization, there is no subject and object difference, > hence > > > > cannot > > > > > > be called an experience. It is also beautifully said - The > > want > > > > for > > > > > > Moksha is the first and final impediment to the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, is an experience from what I gather. I may be > > assuming > > > > this > > > > > > and will keep in mind that I may be wrong. For now, if I > > assume > > > > > > Kundalini to be an experience, then, it is an experience > of > > the > > > > cosmic > > > > > > mind and breaking of the individual mind that the Ego > calls > > its > > > > own. > > > > > > In that sense, the identification increases. > > > > > > > > > > > > I read elsewhere, that a person goes through myraid of > > emotions > > > > and > > > > > > feelings that were never his/her own. In cosmos > > (hriyanagarbha) > > > > all > > > > > > thoughts and emotions are present, we call some as our own > > and > > > > that > > > > > > "Mine" thought is the assumed "Ego". This shows, there is > an > > > > > > identification and an experience of the cosmic mind. The > > energy > > > > that > > > > > > was contained near one's aura, flows in every direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the "Mine" remains in a larger context. As in > > Savikalpa > > > > > > samadhi that I mentioned in the earlier post. I have also > > read, > > > > that > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa saw mother kali everywhere but > not > > > > within > > > > > > himself for some time. And then, his Guru helped him > > understand > > > > his > > > > > > mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > In essence, kundalini can be an experience but not > a "cause" > > for > > > > > > Realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming back to the Jyotish fundamentals behind the same, I > > still > > > > need > > > > > > the knowledge > > > > > > 1. Role of Atmakaraka in Kundalini Awakening > > > > > > 2. What breaks the association with the dwandhas (pairs of > > > > opposites) > > > > > > > > > > > > I request this knowledge from the knowers of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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