Change of plan in my Upcoming Boston Workshop

July 9, 2005

Hello Raghunatha saheb,

I have been following this thread with quite

disappointment; I just get this feeling that you have

taken the criticism to heart; I also remember your

post in which you have indicated that you would be

sort of taking a small hiatus from the list, and now

comes this mail wherein you have decided not

participate in the SNJ workshop. In all this, I think

people who are looking for the counsel of good

astrologer in learning astrology would be affect; such

people, otherwise, could have been benefitted by your

erudition and knowledge. I just want to assure you

that if there are people who have cast aspersions on

your integrity and astrological authoritiy, there are

far too large number of people who have highest regard

for you and your astrological knowledge; I don't want

to criticise the people who have doubted your

integrity; may be they thought that they had strong

reason to do so. I just want to request you not to be

too harsh on yourself, and continue to do the good

work that you are doing. I am sure there are large

number of people (this includes me also) who can vouch

for your astrological completence; and I would like to

request you on behalf of all such people not make too

much out of this episode.

Having said so, I would still respect whatever

decision you make.

I wish you all the best.

Manoj Sharma

--- Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 wrote:

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All

>

> A mistake is a mistake either it is a small or a

> big, which was made by me. Either Joe or Pradeep

> mentioned in one of their earlier messages "Think

> whether you have the moral authority to present

> papers at SJC Conferences or not?".

>

> After a deep thinking on his words, I agree with

> him/them, so I have decided not to present my paper

> in the upcoming Boston workshop on Oct 16th 2005. I

> am a member of SJC family and I respect their values

> and do not want to get bad name by following the

> members advise such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a

> lot of value in their words.

>

> Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being with

> you and your students this time (I have not met you

> till today personally, so I thought I will meet you

> and your students in Oct 2005, but I am not destined

> yet). So please plan some alternative lecture

> instead of mine.

>

> Thanks & Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,as

> I wanted to be your good Jyotish student and hope

> you agree with my decision.

>

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July 9, 2005

Dear Raghunath,

I do not want to force anyone. I can respect any decision you make!

However, some facts have to be mentioned.

I did NOT invite you to speak at the Boston workshop because of your successes

in solving puzzles. I invited you because your guru Sri Ramadas Rao sent me an

email asking me to invite you. He told me that he is from Kashyapa gothra and

learnt Kashyapa Hora from Sri R.G. Rao. He said that you learnt it from him

well. He told you to call Sri RG Rao and take his blessings and permission to

speak on Kashypa Hora. And you did, which you mentioned to me. It is your

guru's confidence in you and the blessings you had from your guru and his guru

that, in my mind, gave you the moral authority to speak on "Kashyapa Hora" at

the Boston workshop. There were no other factors. And, those have not changed.

Moreover, my faith in you (actually in your guru) was vindicated when I heard

first-hand from people who received good predictions from you based on prashna.

For example, one lady who is a very good friend of my wife told me that you

talked to her a few days back and predicted that she would find a job in India

before the 5th of July. She had already decided to move to India, but had not

found a job yet. However, she found a job before the 5th as you said. I did

hear from people who got good predictions from you.

In my view, you have a moral authority to teach Kashyapa Hora. In my judgment,

you will not bring a bad name to SJC.

In fact, I don't agree that being able to solve puzzles correctly and make good

predictions makes one the best person to teach astrological principles. If one

is successful, it is not necessarily due to good principles. It can be due to

luck, good intuition brought by a good dasa, good intuition thru spirituality

or even a Karna Pisachi! There may be another person who has nearly perfect

knowledge of all the principles but keeps erring in the final judgment and

gives wrong prediction. I may be able to learn more useful things from the

latter than the former and progress as a predictive astrologer despite the

predictive failures of that person! For example, the best cricketers do not

necessarily make the best coaches. Majority of the successful cricket coaches

were average players in their days. In any case, this is a secondary issue.

It will be good to meet you and hear you teach Kashyapa Hora. It will also be

good to pray to Mother Lakshmi along with you. So please talk to your guru and

rethink your decision. If you withdraw this decision, you can let me know

publicly or privately. If you stick to this decision, I can respect the

decision and find a replacement speaker and topic. Please let me know in either

case.

If you indeed made mistakes in some of your puzzle attempts and mispresented a

not-really-blind analysis as a blind analysis, it is indeed a bad thing. I do

not support such behavior. However, you have realized your error and vowed to

not repeat it. In my mind, the issue is closed. The rest is between you and

your God(dess). I have enough issues between myself and my own Goddess that it

will be foolish of me to intervene in your issues or pronounce judgments. When

I myself am caught in the web of Moha and other shadripus (six internal

enemies) and struggling to overcome one weakness after the other, it will be

foolish of me to judge you or others.

You have done an admirable job and keep it up! Everybody makes mistakes. But

only some accept them and progress. Don't be emotional about the criticism.

Take the lessons in a positive and productive way (and not a destructive way)

and move on. You will bring excellent name to your guru and to our institution.

I say this whether or not you withdraw your decision.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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language, there will be a suprirse treat for the lovers and connoisseurs of

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> Om Krishna Guru> > Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All> > A mistake

is a mistake either it is a small or a big, which was made by me. Either Joe or

Pradeep mentioned in one of their earlier messages "Think whether you have the

moral authority to present papers at SJC Conferences or not?".> > After a deep

thinking on his words, I agree with him/them, so I have decided not to present

my paper in the upcoming Boston workshop on Oct 16th 2005. I am a member of SJC

family and I respect their values and do not want to get bad name, hece wanted

to follow the members advise such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a lot of value in

their words.> > Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being with you and your

students this time (I have not met you till today personally, so I thought I

will meet you and your students in Oct 2005, but I am not destined yet). So

please plan some alternative lecture instead of mine.> > Thanks & Regards>

Raghunatha Rao> > P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,as I wanted

to be your good Jyotish student and hope you agree with my decision.

July 9, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Raghunatha

SJC is a place where the young minds like yours shall have an opportunity to

test what they think is right. What are you afraid of? If your presentation is

wrong then be sure that the learned ones attending shall tear you apart with

questions, and this is good for you as it leads to soul searching and then you

work harder for better answers if you have the right attitude.

Nobody, not even Jyotisa gurus escape hard scritiny at the SJC conferences. If

you were there at the Mumbai conference you could ave seen this with your eyes.

Chandrasekhar walked out twice when he was unable to convince the attendees

about the 360 days, I had to raise my hands and say that they try the KCD

approach I was suggesting before making any judgment, and then returned after 2

days to finish the presentation...all this is very good for jyotish and also for

each of us. We have to work harder, so work harder and prove your points...that

is the right attitude.

And please send your paper in advance to the participants (through Narasimha) so

that we have the rare opportunity to grill you, fry your brains, question your

steps and smash your hypothesis...and even after that if it survives, it must

be the word of the maharishi's. If it does not then you did not learn the words

of the rishi's well and will come out of this combustion shining like pure gold.

Either way this is a personal combustion phase and you will have to decide

whether to go through with the cleansing or leave it for another date in the

future...

Myadvise is to jump into the fire, its worth it.

Best regards and love

Sanjay

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2005 4:41 PMVedic Astrology GroupCc: NarasimhaRao PV; Sanjay Ji Rath Ji;

Guru Ji RamaDas RaoChange of plan in my Upcoming Boston Workshop

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All

A mistake is a mistake either it is a small or a big, which was made by me.

Either Joe or Pradeep mentioned in one of their earlier messages "Think whether

you have the moral authority to present papers at SJC Conferences or not?".

After a deep thinking on his words, I agree with him/them, so I have decided not

to present my paper in the upcoming Boston workshop on Oct 16th 2005. I am a

member of SJC family and I respect their values and do not want to get bad name

by following the members advise such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a lot of value

in their words.

Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being with you and your students this

time (I have not met you till today personally, so I thought I will meet you

and your students in Oct 2005, but I am not destined yet). So please plan some

alternative lecture instead of mine.

Thanks & RegardsRaghunatha Rao

P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,as I wanted to be your good

Jyotish student and hope you agree with my decision.

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Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Raghu,

I don't write in this list anymore, but just for you, I am forced to intervene.

Your jyotish gurus asked you to present a paper. I think you should keep that

in focus. And ignore the rest. I know its very hard to do so, but you must.

Don't even waste your breath trying to reply/defend yourself in front of these

accusations. Its that much time away from constructive work time. SIMPLY GIVE

THE ROYAL IGNORE and do your work. Over time people will only remember you for

that. That's all that counts in life. Also, check the transits of the people

who are making these accusations.

Best regards,

Sarbani

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On Behalf Of Raghunatha RaoNemaniSaturday, July 09, 2005 4:41 PMVedic

Astrology GroupCc: NarasimhaRao PV; Sanjay Ji Rath Ji; Guru Ji RamaDas

Rao[vedic astrology] Change of plan in my Upcoming Boston Workshop

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All

A mistake is a mistake either it is a small or a big, which was made by me.

Either Joe or Pradeep mentioned in one of their earlier messages "Think whether

you have the moral authority to present papers at SJC Conferences or not?".

After a deep thinking on his words, I agree with him/them, so I have decided not

to present my paper in the upcoming Boston workshop on Oct 16th 2005. I am a

member of SJC family and I respect their values and do not want to get bad name

by following the members advise such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a lot of value

in their words.

Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being with you and your students this

time (I have not met you till today personally, so I thought I will meet you

and your students in Oct 2005, but I am not destined yet). So please plan some

alternative lecture instead of mine.

Thanks & RegardsRaghunatha Rao

P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,as I wanted to be your good

Jyotish student and hope you agree with my decision.

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Dear Friends,

This is something I fail to understand. Is this group meant for those interested

in astrology or limited to SJC people ? Whether Mr. Rao decides to present a

paper or not and others trying to convince him are very personal issues and why

a public issue is made out of this ?

I think this amounts to individualism and the main focus of the group is getting lost.

Those who want to discuss about their personal decisions can always do so using

personal email ids ; why use forum for that communication ?

I am not saying the current thread is totally irrelevant to the forum as it

emerged from the confession on puzzle related issues by Mr. Rao , still I feel

such communications should not be forum postings.

Sorry for my frank views , but that is what I felt.

Regards,

Anil

-

Sarbani Sarkar

vedic astrology

Cc: 'Ramadas Rao'

Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:15 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Change of plan in my Upcoming Boston Workshop

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Raghu,

I don't write in this list anymore, but just for you, I am forced to intervene.

Your jyotish gurus asked you to present a paper. I think you should keep that

in focus. And ignore the rest. I know its very hard to do so, but you must.

Don't even waste your breath trying to reply/defend yourself in front of these

accusations. Its that much time away from constructive work time. SIMPLY GIVE

THE ROYAL IGNORE and do your work. Over time people will only remember you for

that. That's all that counts in life. Also, check the transits of the people

who are making these accusations.

Best regards,

Sarbani

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On Behalf Of Raghunatha RaoNemaniSaturday, July 09, 2005 4:41 PMVedic

Astrology GroupCc: NarasimhaRao PV; Sanjay Ji Rath Ji; Guru Ji RamaDas

Rao[vedic astrology] Change of plan in my Upcoming Boston Workshop

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All

A mistake is a mistake either it is a small or a big, which was made by me.

Either Joe or Pradeep mentioned in one of their earlier messages "Think whether

you have the moral authority to present papers at SJC Conferences or not?".

After a deep thinking on his words, I agree with him/them, so I have decided not

to present my paper in the upcoming Boston workshop on Oct 16th 2005. I am a

member of SJC family and I respect their values and do not want to get bad name

by following the members advise such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a lot of value

in their words.

Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being with you and your students this

time (I have not met you till today personally, so I thought I will meet you

and your students in Oct 2005, but I am not destined yet). So please plan some

alternative lecture instead of mine.

Thanks & RegardsRaghunatha Rao

P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,as I wanted to be your good

Jyotish student and hope you agree with my decision.

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> If you indeed made mistakes in some of your puzzle attempts and

mispresented a not-really-blind analysis as a blind analysis, it is

indeed a bad thing. I do not support such behavior. However, you have

realized your error and vowed to not repeat it.

Mr. Narasimha

This is exactly my point. He denied he "bad thing" he did (cheating on

puzzles) and finally when Mr. Pradeep came out mentioning that he has

all the correspondance with Mr Palanivelu, Mr. Rao Nemani had no

choice but to accept and apologize.

There is no spin here. It is the plain truth. Later, I asked if he has

the moral authority to present at SJC conference or not. Do I care if

he presents or not - absolutely not. But I won't be attending.

Joe Black

July 10, 2005

Mr Sarkar

> yourself in front of these accusations.>

It is not an accusation. It is the truth.Read all the mails carefully

so that you can understand what went on. The truth is Mr. Nemani

cheated and he got caught. Do not try to spin it in any other way. Do

you want people who cheat (not once, twice) presenting at conferences?

Think again.

Joe Black

July 10, 2005

> This is something I fail to understand. Is this group meant for

those interested in astrology or limited to SJC people ? Whether Mr.

Rao decides to present a paper or not and others trying to convince

him are very personal issues and why a public issue is made out of

this ?

>

> I think this amounts to individualism and the main focus of the

group is getting lost.

>

Well said Mr. Anil. People are giving a new spin to an act of fraud,

cheating or bad behaviour. This will only tarnish the image of

concerned parties. Lord Krishna save them.

Joe Black

July 10, 2005

Dear Anil,

I guess we all got to keep silent because you are feeling

cranky today. Women have legitimate reasons to feel cranky on a

periodic basis. I wonder what is up with you.

Though I generally agree with your issues, In this case I

differ. Raghunathji's name is dragged in the mud and we need a

subsequent retaliation from him and a show of support from group

members. Raghunathji should feel some consolation that he is not

alone caught in this fire and that even Pdt Sanjayji recently has

been a victim of such attacks.

I personally feel that Raghunathji's credit balance to our

group is huge. He accrued this due to his devotion and spending

enormous amounts of time on doing readings. I think he is over

zealous and should he have spent all that time on his career, and

instead of the fantastic dashamsa paper and power points, he would

definetly gotten himself a promotion or a raise.

I am looking forward to Raoji's paper, and I really resent

the forces that are dragging him down, especially when those passive

participants have nothing to contribute, except their problems to

these board (to clarify, I donot include you in this category)

Soumit

vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> This is something I fail to understand. Is this group meant for

those interested in astrology or limited to SJC people ? Whether Mr.

Rao decides to present a paper or not and others trying to convince

him are very personal issues and why a public issue is made out of

this ?

>

> I think this amounts to individualism and the main focus of the

group is getting lost.

>

> Those who want to discuss about their personal decisions can

always do so using personal email ids ; why use forum for that

communication ?

>

> I am not saying the current thread is totally irrelevant to the

forum as it emerged from the confession on puzzle related issues by

Mr. Rao , still I feel such communications should not be forum

postings.

>

> Sorry for my frank views , but that is what I felt.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> Sarbani Sarkar

> vedic astrology

> Cc: 'Ramadas Rao'

> Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:15 PM

> RE: [vedic astrology] Change of plan in my Upcoming

Boston Workshop

>

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Raghu,

>

> I don't write in this list anymore, but just for you, I am

forced to intervene. Your jyotish gurus asked you to present a

paper. I think you should keep that in focus. And ignore the rest. I

know its very hard to do so, but you must. Don't even waste your

breath trying to reply/defend yourself in front of these

accusations. Its that much time away from constructive work time.

SIMPLY GIVE THE ROYAL IGNORE and do your work. Over time people will

only remember you for that. That's all that counts in life. Also,

check the transits of the people who are making these accusations.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> -

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> Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:41 PM

> Vedic Astrology Group

> Cc: NarasimhaRao PV; Sanjay Ji Rath Ji; Guru Ji RamaDas Rao

> [vedic astrology] Change of plan in my Upcoming Boston

Workshop

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All

>

> A mistake is a mistake either it is a small or a big, which was

made by me. Either Joe or Pradeep mentioned in one of their earlier

messages "Think whether you have the moral authority to present

papers at SJC Conferences or not?".

>

> After a deep thinking on his words, I agree with him/them, so I

have decided not to present my paper in the upcoming Boston workshop

on Oct 16th 2005. I am a member of SJC family and I respect their

values and do not want to get bad name by following the members

advise such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a lot of value in their

words.

>

> Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being with you and your

students this time (I have not met you till today personally, so I

thought I will meet you and your students in Oct 2005, but I am not

destined yet). So please plan some alternative lecture instead of

mine.

>

> Thanks & Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,as I wanted to

be your good Jyotish student and hope you agree with my decision.

>

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Hello ?????? (Energumen)

I think you joined on 10th and very next day you are after Mr.

Raghunatha Rao! Any specific reasons?

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Energumen wrote:

> Could you please request Mr. Raghunatha Rao to come clean in public on

> this Group by vowing on his ishtadevata that the dasamsa paper you

> mention wasn't plagiarized but was his?

>

> I'll bet that he can't or won't, if has any values at all. Sorry to

> Mr. Anil for another irrelevant post.

>

> */java_sgt <java_sgt/* wrote:

>

> he have spent all that time on his career, and instead of the

> fantastic dashamsa paper and power points

>

> Soumit

>

> Energumen

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July 11, 2005

As an outsider, reading Joe Black's posts, it didn't appear as if he was

witch-hunting Rao either. That some of the others assumed the opposite is

another matter.

Each one of us on the Group joined some day, and yes I joined on the 10th, so?

Or should I be stepping off already?

Prabodh Vekhande <prabodh.wekhande > wrote:

Hello ?????? (Energumen)I think you joined on 10th and very next day you are

after Mr. Raghunatha Rao! Any specific reasons?Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai

ShankarHar Har ShankarEnergumen--------Two antennae married. The reception was

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July 11, 2005

Dear Anil Namaste

Lets try to understand through some example/anology. SJC is like

Sangh(RSS). Pt. Sanjay Rath is like Sarasanghchalak(Guruji not the

current one!). All SJC conferences are like OTC(Officers Training

Camp) and daily/weekly meetings of city SJC members are like Shakhas.

All SJC members are like Swayamsevaks and all (Vedic

astrology,Srijagannath,Sjc-africa, etc..) are like different outfits

of SJC( Like BJP... etc of Sangh). This is a SJC parivar.

Now your are part of 'outfit' with out being Swayamsevak that is why

you find it difficult to understand group activity at times. But is

it not inevitable for BJP(VA group) to discuss RSS Swayamsevak(SJC

member)?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> This is something I fail to understand. Is this group meant for

those interested in astrology or limited to SJC people ? Whether Mr.

Rao decides to present a paper or not and others trying to convince

him are very personal issues and why a public issue is made out of this ?

>

> I think this amounts to individualism and the main focus of the

group is getting lost.

>

> Those who want to discuss about their personal decisions can always

do so using personal email ids ; why use forum for that communication ?

>

> I am not saying the current thread is totally irrelevant to the

forum as it emerged from the confession on puzzle related issues by

Mr. Rao , still I feel such communications should not be forum postings.

>

> Sorry for my frank views , but that is what I felt.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> Sarbani Sarkar

> vedic astrology

> Cc: 'Ramadas Rao'

> Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:15 PM

> RE: [vedic astrology] Change of plan in my Upcoming

Boston Workshop

>

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Raghu,

>

> I don't write in this list anymore, but just for you, I am forced

to intervene. Your jyotish gurus asked you to present a paper. I think

you should keep that in focus. And ignore the rest. I know its very

hard to do so, but you must. Don't even waste your breath trying to

reply/defend yourself in front of these accusations. Its that much

time away from constructive work time. SIMPLY GIVE THE ROYAL IGNORE

and do your work. Over time people will only remember you for that.

That's all that counts in life. Also, check the transits of the people

who are making these accusations.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Raghunatha RaoNemani

> Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:41 PM

> Vedic Astrology Group

> Cc: NarasimhaRao PV; Sanjay Ji Rath Ji; Guru Ji RamaDas Rao

> [vedic astrology] Change of plan in my Upcoming Boston

Workshop

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All

>

> A mistake is a mistake either it is a small or a big, which was

made by me. Either Joe or Pradeep mentioned in one of their earlier

messages "Think whether you have the moral authority to present papers

at SJC Conferences or not?".

>

> After a deep thinking on his words, I agree with him/them, so I

have decided not to present my paper in the upcoming Boston workshop

on Oct 16th 2005. I am a member of SJC family and I respect their

values and do not want to get bad name by following the members advise

such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a lot of value in their words.

>

> Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being with you and your

students this time (I have not met you till today personally, so I

thought I will meet you and your students in Oct 2005, but I am not

destined yet). So please plan some alternative lecture instead of mine.

>

> Thanks & Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,as I wanted to

be your good Jyotish student and hope you agree with my decision.

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July 11, 2005

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Raghu,

You dont have to worry at all.I wanted you to present the paper " Kashyapa Hora

Nadi " principles which is from Nadi technics and very far beyond Prashna

Margam.I dont want you to change your program.I am sure everybody will enjoy

your presentation.During that presentation, I am near to you there !!

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 > wrote:

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Guru Ji,

I have provided all the details with a minor mistake I made and accepted and

apologised for that in the public form of Vedic Astrology.

I do not want to bring a bad name to you and SJC hence I wrote that I do not

want to take the class. Narasimha Ji had replied.

Please guide me and suggest me whether I should take the class as planned or

not. As you know, I always follow your advise without fail Guru Ji.

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr108 > wrote:

Dear Raghunath,I do not want to force anyone. I can respect anydecision you

make!However, some facts have to be mentioned.I did NOT invite you to speak at

the Boston workshopbecause of your successes in solving puzzles. Iinvited you

because your guru Sri Ramadas Rao sent mean email asking me to invite you. He

told me that heis from Kashyapa gothra and learnt Kashyapa Hora fromSri R.G.

Rao. He said that you learnt it from himwell. He told you to call Sri RG Rao

and take hisblessings and permission to speak on Kashypa Hora. Andyou did,

which you mentioned to me. It is your guru'sconfidence in you and the blessings

you had from yourguru and his guru that, in my mind, gave you the moralauthority

to speak on "Kashyapa Hora" at the Bostonworkshop. There were no other factors.

And, those havenot

changed.Moreover, my faith in you (actually in your guru) wasvindicated when I

heard first-hand from people whoreceived good predictions from you based on

prashna.For example, one lady who is a very good friend of mywife told me that

you talked to her a few days backand predicted that she would find a job in

Indiabefore the 5th of July. She had already decided tomove to India, but had

not found a job yet. However,she found a job before the 5th as you said. I did

hearfrom people who got good predictions from you.In my view, you have a moral

authority to teachKashyapa Hora. In my judgment, you will not bring abad name

to SJC.In fact, I don't agree that being able to solvepuzzles correctly and

make good predictions makes onethe best person to teach astrological

principles. Ifone is successful, it is not necessarily due to goodprinciples.

It can be due to luck, good intuitionbrought by a good dasa,

good intuition thruspirituality or even a Karna Pisachi! There may beanother

person who has nearly perfect knowledge of allthe principles but keeps erring

in the final judgmentand gives wrong prediction. I may be able to learnmore

useful things from the latter than the former andprogress as a predictive

astrologer despite thepredictive failures of that person! For example, thebest

cricketers do not necessarily make the bestcoaches. Majority of the successful

cricket coacheswere average players in their days. In any case, thisis a

secondary issue.It will be good to meet you and hear you teachKashyapa Hora. It

will also be good to pray to MotherLakshmi along with you. So please talk to

your guruand rethink your decision. If you withdraw thisdecision, you can let

me know publicly or privately.If you stick to this decision, I can respect

thedecision and find a replacement speaker and topic.Please let me know

in either case.If you indeed made mistakes in some of your puzzleattempts and

mispresented a not-really-blind analysisas a blind analysis, it is indeed a bad

thing. I donot support such behavior. However, you have realizedyour error and

vowed to not repeat it. In my mind, theissue is closed. The rest is between you

and yourGod(dess). I have enough issues between myself and myown Goddess that it

will be foolish of me to intervenein your issues or pronounce judgments. When I

myselfam caught in the web of Moha and other shadripus (sixinternal enemies)

and struggling to overcome oneweakness after the other, it will be foolish of

me tojudge you or others.You have done an admirable job and keep it

up!Everybody makes mistakes. But only some accept themand progress. Don't be

emotional about the criticism.Take the lessons in a positive and productive way

(andnot a destructive way) and move on. You will

bringexcellent name to your guru and to our institution. Isay this whether or

not you withdraw your decision.May Jupiter's light shine on us,NarasimhaPS: My

Tithi Pravesha book is progressing well. Thoughthe book is in English language,

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Om Krishna Guru> > Namaste Sanjay Ji, Narasimha Ji, Joe and All> > A mistake is

a mistake either it is a small or abig, which was made by me. Either Joe or

Pradeepmentioned

in one of their earlier messages "Thinkwhether you have the moral authority to

present papersat SJC Conferences or not?".> > After a deep thinking on his

words, I agree withhim/them, so I have decided not to present my paper inthe

upcoming Boston workshop on Oct 16th 2005. I am amember of SJC family and I

respect their values and donot want to get bad name, hece wanted to follow

themembers advise such as Joe/Pradeep, where I see a lotof value in their

words.> > Narasimha Ji, please excuse me for not being withyou and your

students this time (I have not met youtill today personally, so I thought I

will meet youand your students in Oct 2005, but I am not destinedyet). So

please plan some alternative lecture insteadof mine.> > Thanks & Regards>

Raghunatha Rao> > P.S: Guru Ji, please forgive me for this decision,asI wanted

to be your good Jyotish student and hope

youagree with my decision.

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July 11, 2005

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sanjay Ji,

You are rightly said.I dont know why Raghu wants to change his program.I wanted

him to present this special paper on Kashyapa Hora Nadi principles as per the

previous program.I am very much sure that everybody will enjoy his presentation

and appreciate the way he presents.

I wish him good luck.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: