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Western astrologer on harmonic charts

''There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that everything has

been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house interpretations because they

are no longer there. The purpose of harmonics is to get more information about

aspects and aspect patterns''.

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

 

Shri SanthanamLate Santhanam is the translator of BPHS.Thus he might have

studied all the shlokas or in other words has seen BPHS in totality and not in

isolation.It was impossible for him to imagine Graha drishti.Reason - Rules

from Sage for Graha drishti emanate by longitudinal degrees,irrespective of the

magnitude of drishti(pada,purnam,etc).We still want to see trines ,kendra etc by

arranging Vargas.

 

Late Shri D.V.SubbuRao(Renowned telugu scholar)

In his book Jyotisha Siddhamthamu " the lordships of bhavas and their position

in Varga charts is not to be considered in Varga charts, the bhava lords &

their position is to be judicially taken only from Bhava chart''.

 

Parashara & Kalyan verma

Parashara never talked about bhavas.Saravali as compared to BPHS is a detailed

text - We cannot find a single reference where Kalyan Varma is mentioning

bhavas by arranging Vargas.Kalyan Varma has mentioned impact on physique due to

various navamshas within a sign.Thus he is highlighting the importance of each

point(e.g.navamsha) within a sign.Still we say it is some kind of mapping.

 

Let us quote Parashara - If the 9th lord is in Parijatamsa, the native will

visit holy places, if in Uttamamsa he had done so in the past births as well,

if in Gopuramsa he will perform sacrificial rites,if in Paaravatamsa he will be

the greatest of ascetics.Parashara is the sage who has taught us Vargas.If

houses can be analysed after grouping amshas ,how can parashara talk with

authority,without considering houses in the respective varga ''charts''.

 

As per our theories- bhavas in rashi chakra is physical environment.How can

Parashara identify past births from the bhava lord meant for physical

environment.Thus Rashi chakra is not physical.Kshethra the first varga is

physical,Hora is wealth,drekkana is siblings.Rashi chakra is the complete

system.The respective lords position in kshethra ,horaetc will give results.But

i do not know about all the possible ways and hence have to strive for that.I

also do not want use my subjective intelligence to make theories in this area.I

will rather wait,search and pray.

 

ThanksPradeep

Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Friends,

 

Without giving much quotes etc,

 

Let me say something for probing all thoughts,

 

Jyotisha knows Time is Cyclic, How come the space(zodiac) around us

be assumed uniform?!. Space/Zodiac around is/can also be Non uniform,

it can be pure cyclic or other irregular cycle forms. If not truely

atleast by perception?.

 

Jyotish involves understanding of Both Time and Space/Zodiac/. Time

has 5 primary properties(Panchanga) and Space/Zodiac 12.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Pradeep Kumar

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear All

>

> Western astrologer on harmonic charts

> ''There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that

everything has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house

interpretations because they are no longer there. The purpose of

harmonics is to get more information about aspects and aspect patterns''.

> http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

>

> Shri Santhanam

> Late Santhanam is the translator of BPHS.Thus he might have studied

all the shlokas or in other words has seen BPHS in totality and not in

isolation.It was impossible for him to imagine Graha drishti.Reason -

Rules from Sage for Graha drishti emanate by longitudinal

degrees,irrespective of the magnitude of drishti(pada,purnam,etc).We

still want to see trines ,kendra etc by arranging Vargas.

>

> Late Shri D.V.SubbuRao(Renowned telugu scholar)

> In his book Jyotisha Siddhamthamu " the lordships of bhavas and

their position in Varga charts is not to be considered in Varga

charts, the bhava lords & their position is to be judicially taken

only from Bhava chart''.

>

> Parashara & Kalyan verma

> Parashara never talked about bhavas.Saravali as compared to BPHS is

a detailed text - We cannot find a single reference where Kalyan Varma

is mentioning bhavas by arranging Vargas.Kalyan Varma has mentioned

impact on physique due to various navamshas within a sign.Thus he is

highlighting the importance of each point(e.g.navamsha) within a

sign.Still we say it is some kind of mapping.

>

> Let us quote Parashara - If the 9th lord is in Parijatamsa, the

native will visit holy places, if in Uttamamsa he had done so in the

past births as well, if in Gopuramsa he will perform sacrificial

rites,if in Paaravatamsa he will be the greatest of ascetics.Parashara

is the sage who has taught us Vargas.If houses can be analysed after

grouping amshas ,how can parashara talk with authority,without

considering houses in the respective varga ''charts''.

>

> As per our theories- bhavas in rashi chakra is physical

environment.How can Parashara identify past births from the bhava lord

meant for physical environment.Thus Rashi chakra is not

physical.Kshethra the first varga is physical,Hora is wealth,drekkana

is siblings.Rashi chakra is the complete system.The respective lords

position in kshethra ,hora

> etc will give results.But i do not know about all the possible ways

and hence have to strive for that.I also do not want use my subjective

intelligence to make theories in this area.I will rather wait,search

and pray.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

>

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Excellent and informative post. If the thesis advanced is based on

tradition, then it is like a beleif and there is no point in debating

it. It is like debating dogmatic religious beleifs. If that is the

case then this whole discussion is totally futile. I am going under

the assumption that there are people on the list who are interested in

taking a fstep back and seeing whether these so called divisional

charts really work on a consistent basis. I have found it not to be

the case, a few of you may have found it to be the case and some are

just following in herd in one camp or the other.

 

To prove the use of any technique based on known event is not that

hard. Even there it could be hard if one is going to apply a principle

consistently and aply it to hundreds of kundalis. I am sure we can

find one or two charts that can justify any thesis. I am sure if we

create a chart using a random number generator and a monte carlo

technique we can see a known event in that chart too.

 

....

 

On 7/15/05, Pradeep Kumar <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear All

>

> Western astrologer on harmonic charts

> ''There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that everything

> has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house interpretations

> because they are no longer there. The purpose of harmonics is to get more

> information about aspects and aspect patterns''.

> http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

>

> Shri Santhanam

> Late Santhanam is the translator of BPHS.Thus he might have studied all the

> shlokas or in other words has seen BPHS in totality and not in isolation.It

> was impossible for him to imagine Graha drishti.Reason - Rules from Sage for

> Graha drishti emanate by longitudinal degrees,irrespective of the magnitude

> of drishti(pada,purnam,etc).We still want to see trines ,kendra etc by

> arranging Vargas.

>

> Late Shri D.V.SubbuRao(Renowned telugu scholar)

> In his book Jyotisha Siddhamthamu " the lordships of bhavas and their

> position in Varga charts is not to be considered in Varga charts, the bhava

> lords & their position is to be judicially taken only from Bhava chart''.

>

> Parashara & Kalyan verma

> Parashara never talked about bhavas.Saravali as compared to BPHS is a

> detailed text - We cannot find a single reference where Kalyan Varma is

> mentioning bhavas by arranging Vargas.Kalyan Varma has mentioned impact on

> physique due to various navamshas within a sign.Thus he is highlighting the

> importance of each point(e.g.navamsha) within a sign.Still we say it is some

> kind of mapping.

>

> Let us quote Parashara - If the 9th lord is in Parijatamsa, the native will

> visit holy places, if in Uttamamsa he had done so in the past births as

> well, if in Gopuramsa he will perform sacrificial rites,if in Paaravatamsa

> he will be the greatest of ascetics.Parashara is the sage who has taught us

> Vargas.If houses can be analysed after grouping amshas ,how can parashara

> talk with authority,without considering houses in the respective varga

> ''charts''.

>

> As per our theories- bhavas in rashi chakra is physical environment.How can

> Parashara identify past births from the bhava lord meant for physical

> environment.Thus Rashi chakra is not physical.Kshethra the first varga is

> physical,Hora is wealth,drekkana is siblings.Rashi chakra is the complete

> system.The respective lords position in kshethra ,hora

> etc will give results.But i do not know about all the possible ways and

> hence have to strive for that.I also do not want use my subjective

> intelligence to make theories in this area.I will rather wait,search and

> pray.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> ________________________________

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

>

> Group info:

> vedic astrology/info.html

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> vedic astrology-

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Astrology chart Vedic astrology Dasa

> Astrology horoscope Astrology software

> ________________________________

>

>

> Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

>

>

> vedic astrology

>

>

>

> vedic astrology

>

>

>

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>

>

>

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Dear Shri Parabhakaran

 

The sage who has given the method for finding vargas should also

know such Time/Space/Zodiac.

 

How come he has not given us any parameter for finding vargas.

If we see how vargas are defined/constructed,we can easily

understand it as a division of signs.Every varga is calculated from

rashi chakra.

 

I do not want to force more.It is our choice whetehr to check for

substance in the opinion of scholars and our preparedeness to accept

mistakes, if we have made any.Better late than never.

 

NB:i have not said who is wrong.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

-- In vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Without giving much quotes etc,

>

> Let me say something for probing all thoughts,

>

> Jyotisha knows Time is Cyclic, How come the space(zodiac) around

us

> be assumed uniform?!. Space/Zodiac around is/can also be Non

uniform,

> it can be pure cyclic or other irregular cycle forms. If not truely

> atleast by perception?.

>

> Jyotish involves understanding of Both Time and Space/Zodiac/.

Time

> has 5 primary properties(Panchanga) and Space/Zodiac 12.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Pradeep Kumar

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear All

> >

> > Western astrologer on harmonic charts

> > ''There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that

> everything has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house

> interpretations because they are no longer there. The purpose of

> harmonics is to get more information about aspects and aspect

patterns''.

> > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

> >

> > Shri Santhanam

> > Late Santhanam is the translator of BPHS.Thus he might have

studied

> all the shlokas or in other words has seen BPHS in totality and

not in

> isolation.It was impossible for him to imagine Graha

drishti.Reason -

> Rules from Sage for Graha drishti emanate by longitudinal

> degrees,irrespective of the magnitude of drishti

(pada,purnam,etc).We

> still want to see trines ,kendra etc by arranging Vargas.

> >

> > Late Shri D.V.SubbuRao(Renowned telugu scholar)

> > In his book Jyotisha Siddhamthamu " the lordships of bhavas and

> their position in Varga charts is not to be considered in Varga

> charts, the bhava lords & their position is to be judicially taken

> only from Bhava chart''.

> >

> > Parashara & Kalyan verma

> > Parashara never talked about bhavas.Saravali as compared to BPHS

is

> a detailed text - We cannot find a single reference where Kalyan

Varma

> is mentioning bhavas by arranging Vargas.Kalyan Varma has mentioned

> impact on physique due to various navamshas within a sign.Thus he

is

> highlighting the importance of each point(e.g.navamsha) within a

> sign.Still we say it is some kind of mapping.

> >

> > Let us quote Parashara - If the 9th lord is in Parijatamsa, the

> native will visit holy places, if in Uttamamsa he had done so in

the

> past births as well, if in Gopuramsa he will perform sacrificial

> rites,if in Paaravatamsa he will be the greatest of

ascetics.Parashara

> is the sage who has taught us Vargas.If houses can be analysed

after

> grouping amshas ,how can parashara talk with authority,without

> considering houses in the respective varga ''charts''.

> >

> > As per our theories- bhavas in rashi chakra is physical

> environment.How can Parashara identify past births from the bhava

lord

> meant for physical environment.Thus Rashi chakra is not

> physical.Kshethra the first varga is physical,Hora is

wealth,drekkana

> is siblings.Rashi chakra is the complete system.The respective

lords

> position in kshethra ,hora

> > etc will give results.But i do not know about all the possible

ways

> and hence have to strive for that.I also do not want use my

subjective

> intelligence to make theories in this area.I will rather

wait,search

> and pray.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Namaste Vijaydas,

 

> The sage who has given the method for finding vargas should also

> know such Time/Space/Zodiac.

 

SanjayP: Yes, They certainly have personal contact with Kaala(Lord

Shiva) himself. (As Parasara has mentioned in Kaalachakra chapter).

Yes, It's we students who have to have that blessings to understand Him.

 

 

 

> How come he has not given us any parameter for finding vargas.

> If we see how vargas are defined/constructed,we can easily

> understand it as a division of signs.Every varga is calculated from

> rashi chakra.

 

SanjayP: Sage Parasara and many others have said that this subject is

to be taught only to persons who believes/understands in God adn

Truth. Maybe he has taken precautions with words and not been explicit?.

 

 

> I do not want to force more.It is our choice whetehr to check for

 

SanjayP: Yes, I agree with you, lets not force. Maybe Time (Lord Kaala

) will teach.

 

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P.

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

> NB:i have not said who is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

> Thanks

> Pradeep

> -- In vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Without giving much quotes etc,

> >

> > Let me say something for probing all thoughts,

> >

> > Jyotisha knows Time is Cyclic, How come the space(zodiac) around

> us

> > be assumed uniform?!. Space/Zodiac around is/can also be Non

> uniform,

> > it can be pure cyclic or other irregular cycle forms. If not truely

> > atleast by perception?.

> >

> > Jyotish involves understanding of Both Time and Space/Zodiac/.

> Time

> > has 5 primary properties(Panchanga) and Space/Zodiac 12.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Pradeep Kumar

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear All

> > >

> > > Western astrologer on harmonic charts

> > > ''There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that

> > everything has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house

> > interpretations because they are no longer there. The purpose of

> > harmonics is to get more information about aspects and aspect

> patterns''.

> > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

> > >

> > > Shri Santhanam

> > > Late Santhanam is the translator of BPHS.Thus he might have

> studied

> > all the shlokas or in other words has seen BPHS in totality and

> not in

> > isolation.It was impossible for him to imagine Graha

> drishti.Reason -

> > Rules from Sage for Graha drishti emanate by longitudinal

> > degrees,irrespective of the magnitude of drishti

> (pada,purnam,etc).We

> > still want to see trines ,kendra etc by arranging Vargas.

> > >

> > > Late Shri D.V.SubbuRao(Renowned telugu scholar)

> > > In his book Jyotisha Siddhamthamu " the lordships of bhavas and

> > their position in Varga charts is not to be considered in Varga

> > charts, the bhava lords & their position is to be judicially taken

> > only from Bhava chart''.

> > >

> > > Parashara & Kalyan verma

> > > Parashara never talked about bhavas.Saravali as compared to BPHS

> is

> > a detailed text - We cannot find a single reference where Kalyan

> Varma

> > is mentioning bhavas by arranging Vargas.Kalyan Varma has mentioned

> > impact on physique due to various navamshas within a sign.Thus he

> is

> > highlighting the importance of each point(e.g.navamsha) within a

> > sign.Still we say it is some kind of mapping.

> > >

> > > Let us quote Parashara - If the 9th lord is in Parijatamsa, the

> > native will visit holy places, if in Uttamamsa he had done so in

> the

> > past births as well, if in Gopuramsa he will perform sacrificial

> > rites,if in Paaravatamsa he will be the greatest of

> ascetics.Parashara

> > is the sage who has taught us Vargas.If houses can be analysed

> after

> > grouping amshas ,how can parashara talk with authority,without

> > considering houses in the respective varga ''charts''.

> > >

> > > As per our theories- bhavas in rashi chakra is physical

> > environment.How can Parashara identify past births from the bhava

> lord

> > meant for physical environment.Thus Rashi chakra is not

> > physical.Kshethra the first varga is physical,Hora is

> wealth,drekkana

> > is siblings.Rashi chakra is the complete system.The respective

> lords

> > position in kshethra ,hora

> > > etc will give results.But i do not know about all the possible

> ways

> > and hence have to strive for that.I also do not want use my

> subjective

> > intelligence to make theories in this area.I will rather

> wait,search

> > and pray.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Namaste Panditji

 

Thanks for your kind words.

But i am sad that inspite of so many inconsistencies,even learned and

sincere scholars whom i have respect for, are not prepared for a

rethink.What i get in return is some mercy from personal

comments.Honestly i am losing interest to spend my time like

this.Accepting mistakes seems to be a rare quality.Inspiration from

people like you will always keep my interest in jyotish alive.

 

Thanks and Respect

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Excellent and informative post. If the thesis advanced is based on

> tradition, then it is like a beleif and there is no point in debating

> it. It is like debating dogmatic religious beleifs. If that is the

> case then this whole discussion is totally futile. I am going under

> the assumption that there are people on the list who are interested in

> taking a fstep back and seeing whether these so called divisional

> charts really work on a consistent basis. I have found it not to be

> the case, a few of you may have found it to be the case and some are

> just following in herd in one camp or the other.

>

> To prove the use of any technique based on known event is not that

> hard. Even there it could be hard if one is going to apply a principle

> consistently and aply it to hundreds of kundalis. I am sure we can

> find one or two charts that can justify any thesis. I am sure if we

> create a chart using a random number generator and a monte carlo

> technique we can see a known event in that chart too.

>

> ...

>

> On 7/15/05, Pradeep Kumar <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear All

> >

> > Western astrologer on harmonic charts

> > ''There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that

everything

> > has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house interpretations

> > because they are no longer there. The purpose of harmonics is to

get more

> > information about aspects and aspect patterns''.

> > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

> >

> > Shri Santhanam

> > Late Santhanam is the translator of BPHS.Thus he might have

studied all the

> > shlokas or in other words has seen BPHS in totality and not in

isolation.It

> > was impossible for him to imagine Graha drishti.Reason - Rules

from Sage for

> > Graha drishti emanate by longitudinal degrees,irrespective of the

magnitude

> > of drishti(pada,purnam,etc).We still want to see trines ,kendra etc by

> > arranging Vargas.

> >

> > Late Shri D.V.SubbuRao(Renowned telugu scholar)

> > In his book Jyotisha Siddhamthamu " the lordships of bhavas and their

> > position in Varga charts is not to be considered in Varga charts,

the bhava

> > lords & their position is to be judicially taken only from Bhava

chart''.

> >

> > Parashara & Kalyan verma

> > Parashara never talked about bhavas.Saravali as compared to BPHS is a

> > detailed text - We cannot find a single reference where Kalyan

Varma is

> > mentioning bhavas by arranging Vargas.Kalyan Varma has mentioned

impact on

> > physique due to various navamshas within a sign.Thus he is

highlighting the

> > importance of each point(e.g.navamsha) within a sign.Still we say

it is some

> > kind of mapping.

> >

> > Let us quote Parashara - If the 9th lord is in Parijatamsa, the

native will

> > visit holy places, if in Uttamamsa he had done so in the past

births as

> > well, if in Gopuramsa he will perform sacrificial rites,if in

Paaravatamsa

> > he will be the greatest of ascetics.Parashara is the sage who has

taught us

> > Vargas.If houses can be analysed after grouping amshas ,how can

parashara

> > talk with authority,without considering houses in the respective varga

> > ''charts''.

> >

> > As per our theories- bhavas in rashi chakra is physical

environment.How can

> > Parashara identify past births from the bhava lord meant for physical

> > environment.Thus Rashi chakra is not physical.Kshethra the first

varga is

> > physical,Hora is wealth,drekkana is siblings.Rashi chakra is the

complete

> > system.The respective lords position in kshethra ,hora

> > etc will give results.But i do not know about all the possible

ways and

> > hence have to strive for that.I also do not want use my subjective

> > intelligence to make theories in this area.I will rather

wait,search and

> > pray.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Start your day with - make it your home page

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info:

> > vedic astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > vedic astrology-

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Dasa

> > Astrology horoscope Astrology software

> > ________________________________

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear shri Prabhakaran

 

Thanks for your mail.

Let us wait for that day.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Namaste Vijaydas,

>

> > The sage who has given the method for finding vargas should also

> > know such Time/Space/Zodiac.

>

> SanjayP: Yes, They certainly have personal contact with Kaala(Lord

> Shiva) himself. (As Parasara has mentioned in Kaalachakra chapter).

> Yes, It's we students who have to have that blessings to understand Him.

>

>

>

> > How come he has not given us any parameter for finding vargas.

> > If we see how vargas are defined/constructed,we can easily

> > understand it as a division of signs.Every varga is calculated from

> > rashi chakra.

>

> SanjayP: Sage Parasara and many others have said that this subject is

> to be taught only to persons who believes/understands in God adn

> Truth. Maybe he has taken precautions with words and not been explicit?.

>

>

> > I do not want to force more.It is our choice whetehr to check for

>

> SanjayP: Yes, I agree with you, lets not force. Maybe Time (Lord Kaala

> ) will teach.

>

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P.

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

> > NB:i have not said who is wrong.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > -- In vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Without giving much quotes etc,

> > >

> > > Let me say something for probing all thoughts,

> > >

> > > Jyotisha knows Time is Cyclic, How come the space(zodiac) around

> > us

> > > be assumed uniform?!. Space/Zodiac around is/can also be Non

> > uniform,

> > > it can be pure cyclic or other irregular cycle forms. If not truely

> > > atleast by perception?.

> > >

> > > Jyotish involves understanding of Both Time and Space/Zodiac/.

> > Time

> > > has 5 primary properties(Panchanga) and Space/Zodiac 12.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Pradeep Kumar

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > Dear All

> > > >

> > > > Western astrologer on harmonic charts

> > > > ''There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that

> > > everything has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house

> > > interpretations because they are no longer there. The purpose of

> > > harmonics is to get more information about aspects and aspect

> > patterns''.

> > > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

> > > >

> > > > Shri Santhanam

> > > > Late Santhanam is the translator of BPHS.Thus he might have

> > studied

> > > all the shlokas or in other words has seen BPHS in totality and

> > not in

> > > isolation.It was impossible for him to imagine Graha

> > drishti.Reason -

> > > Rules from Sage for Graha drishti emanate by longitudinal

> > > degrees,irrespective of the magnitude of drishti

> > (pada,purnam,etc).We

> > > still want to see trines ,kendra etc by arranging Vargas.

> > > >

> > > > Late Shri D.V.SubbuRao(Renowned telugu scholar)

> > > > In his book Jyotisha Siddhamthamu " the lordships of bhavas and

> > > their position in Varga charts is not to be considered in Varga

> > > charts, the bhava lords & their position is to be judicially taken

> > > only from Bhava chart''.

> > > >

> > > > Parashara & Kalyan verma

> > > > Parashara never talked about bhavas.Saravali as compared to BPHS

> > is

> > > a detailed text - We cannot find a single reference where Kalyan

> > Varma

> > > is mentioning bhavas by arranging Vargas.Kalyan Varma has mentioned

> > > impact on physique due to various navamshas within a sign.Thus he

> > is

> > > highlighting the importance of each point(e.g.navamsha) within a

> > > sign.Still we say it is some kind of mapping.

> > > >

> > > > Let us quote Parashara - If the 9th lord is in Parijatamsa, the

> > > native will visit holy places, if in Uttamamsa he had done so in

> > the

> > > past births as well, if in Gopuramsa he will perform sacrificial

> > > rites,if in Paaravatamsa he will be the greatest of

> > ascetics.Parashara

> > > is the sage who has taught us Vargas.If houses can be analysed

> > after

> > > grouping amshas ,how can parashara talk with authority,without

> > > considering houses in the respective varga ''charts''.

> > > >

> > > > As per our theories- bhavas in rashi chakra is physical

> > > environment.How can Parashara identify past births from the bhava

> > lord

> > > meant for physical environment.Thus Rashi chakra is not

> > > physical.Kshethra the first varga is physical,Hora is

> > wealth,drekkana

> > > is siblings.Rashi chakra is the complete system.The respective

> > lords

> > > position in kshethra ,hora

> > > > etc will give results.But i do not know about all the possible

> > ways

> > > and hence have to strive for that.I also do not want use my

> > subjective

> > > intelligence to make theories in this area.I will rather

> > wait,search

> > > and pray.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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