Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 It's good to read your email . I would like to implement some practical examples with theory. Here is a chart . Could you please comment on Saturn of this chart and help me understand how this Saturn has effected or will effect the person and then we can compare with reality of his life. DOB:DEC-10-1970 TOB 15:35 POB:NEW DELHI. Married in May 1996 1st Child in year 2000 oct. Regards Lokesh Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear GS, I agree that Retrograde planets have Chesta Bala but if such planets are placedin their exaltation or debilitation signs,they give results contrary to that sign of exalt.or debil. Now let us take the example of Jyothi Lakshmi.In her chart, Budha is retrograde and exalted ie., in Kanya Rashi.So Budha has chesta Bala of 59.94 which is highest in the chart which no other planets have and as a result his Shadbala is highest in the chart.Then he has to give very good results.Rather it gave very bad results mainly concerned with her health point of view as Budha is in Kanya which rules our intestines and this problem will be there till this planet gets direct in her life time.Budha became direct on 18th of October 1975 and so she had severe health problems connected with intestines till she reached 17 years and then afterwards it almost disappeared.I hope Jyothi Lakshmi will be able to give the correctness of my statement. I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.jsk_1010 <jsk_1010 > wrote: Dear learned members,The question of exaltation+Retro = debiliaton and vice versa is worth pondering over.if we are using the equation exalted+retro = debilitated, then do the rules of neechabhanga apply to that planet?.Retrogression is said to impart strength( chestha bala) to the planet. So it is kind of contradiction when we say that exalted+retro = debilitated. Another point for deliberation is that why only exalted and retro are debilitated.. why not retrograde planets posited in own house.Keeping in mind the dictum that benefic retrograde planets are said to bestow good results on the native, here one may have to then differentiate the retrogression( and possibly exal+retro= deb. equation) between Jup,venus,Mer and Sat,Mars.Also overall state of a planet should be the final say taking into account the Avasthas,rays of the planet, instead of merely focusing on one aspect. A debilitated planet full of bright rays is said to confer raja yoga.In my opinion, if a planet is strong in shad bala but debilitated due to being "retrograde and exalted" would still confer good results, if it is lord of good houses. with regardsGSP.S: Shri Ramadas Raoji, can you please furnish the birth details of the natives( if possible) where exalted and retrograde planets give results akin to debiliated planets for further research. Thanks --- In vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo näräyaëäya|> Dear Raj Sharma,> As Shani is the lord of 2nd house also, placed in 7th house, I have considered both.> I hope this helps you.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > Raj Sharma <kngcl> wrote:> Dear Ramadas, > > In this example, you have used placement of Shani in 7th to deduct that the debts are related to marriage, love etc, while in previous example you have used lordship of the retrograde planet to indicate the karmic debt connection. > > Which one to use - placement or lordship? or both > > Regards > > Raj > > > POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja> wrote:> Respected Ramadasji,> > Thanks for the update.> Just to clarify further, karmic debts related to mother are related to moon or jupiter retrograde in 4th house.> And what r the impacts of rahu and ketu as they are also retrograde.> Does this also implies that the native will have different pay back time period in each case or will it be parallel?> > Also to add both the conclusions are correct.> > Regards,> > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo näräyaëäya|> Dear Pooja Rajdev,> Now in the chart given Shani (V) is the lord of Lagna and 2nd house.2nd house is Kutumba Sthana but as Shani (V) is placed in 7th,the Karmic debts are connected with his marriage, love etc.Also as Chandra is in 2nd house, there are Karmic debts connected with his mother.> I hope this helps.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja> wrote:> Ramadasji,> > This is in addition to the mail below on retrograde planets.> > In the following chart :> Saturn is retrograde in 7th house, whose lord is MOon in 2nd house of saturn.> Therefore it will act as in its own house i.e 2nd house.> Does this implies that native has karmic relations with 2nd house related.> The other thought process was that since saturn is retrograde in 7th house, person has love debts > from past birth and hence repays them by suffering in current life.> Which one is more appropriate and why?> > > > > > Personal DetailsLagan(Ascendent)CapricornusLagan Swami(Ascendent Lord)SatnRashi(Moon Sign)AquariusRashi Swami(Moon Sign Lord)SatnNakshatra(Constellation)DhanishthaNakshatra Swami(Constellation Lord)MarsCharan4YogaVajraKaranBavaJanam Namakshar(Birth Name Character)GESurya Rashi(Sun Sign)CapricornusVaranaVaishyaVashyaManavYoniSimhaGanaRakshasaNadiMadhyaVargaBilava> > Planetary PositionsPlanetDir/RetSpeedDegreesSignAscendant --------15°48'0''CapricornusSunDir0°34'26''9°59'22''SagittariusMoonDir6°42'44''3°45'18''AquariusMarsDir22°16'0''1°22'20''SagittariusMercuryDir15°1'17''29°0'7''SagittariusJupiterRet2°8'18''28°24'20''AriesVenusDir4°29'14''24°43'22''CapricornusSaturnRet1°27'20''22°39'20''CancerRahuRet1°35'19''6°42'27''LibraKetuRet1°35'19''6°42'27''AriesUranusDir1°18'38''17°3'51''LibraNeptuneDir1°4'57''20°52'23''ScorpioPlutoDir0°23'21''20°30'30''Virgo> > ashish25mathur <mathurastro@g...> wrote:> RamdasJi,> > Pranaam,> > In my case the Saturn ( lord of 4 and 5 ) becomes direct after 109 > days so will the karmic connection continue in my next life. Assuming > I do not live upto 109 years :-)> > Please tell us more about karmic connection in layman terms... how > does it manifest in real life.> > Regards,> > Ashish> > > --- In vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> > wrote:> > > > ` nmae naray[ay,> > > > om namo näräyaëäya|> > Dear Avin,> > In your chart, Kuja (V) is in 7th in Kataka Rashi and he works like > as if exalted.But he gets Parivartana with Chandra who is 7th lord > and so Kuja will work as if he is in 4th house which is his own > house.Now this becomes an affliction and so before marriage your > chart has to be matched with girl having similar Kuja Dosha in the > chart.there are many Retrograde planets in your chart indicating > Karmic connections with the houses they lord in the chart.For > example, Kuja is your 4th and 11th lord who is Vakra and this > indicates your Past life Karmas with your mother and elderly co-borns > still exist and will continue till Kuja becomes direct in this life.I > have written an article about this almost a year back to this and > Varaha Mihira list.Now how to see when the Vakra planet gets direct > and the Karmic connection with such people will complete is by > checking from Panchanga or Ephemeris,from your birth date, when this > Vakra Kuja becomes direct.Count after how many days this planet become> > direct.Now count so many years as the days you got and the end of > such year, will be the end of your Karmic connection.> > I hope this helps you.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > avin6dl <avin6dl> wrote:> > I forgot to give my birth details. Here they are:> > > > > > > > Date of Birth: Dec 20, 1977> > TOB: 10:20 am> > Place: Dehradun, India (78 degrees 04 minutes east; 30 degrees 19 > > minutes north)> > India> > > > Thanks > > -Avin> > > > vedic astrology, "avin6dl" <avin6dl> > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Ramdas ji and other learned Members,> > > > > > While we are on the topic of retrograde debilitated planets = > > exalted > > > planets, I have my share of questions/concerns regarding the same.> > > > > > My questions are:> > > > > > 1.) In my rasi chart, mars is retrograde and debilitated (in 7th > > > house). Does that mean that mars will actually behave as if it > > were > > > exalted ? Also, does that mean that aspects of mars will be good? > > Also, > > > mars and moon are in parivartana. What are the implications of > > this > > > parivartana ?> > > > > > 2.) In my chart, all the planets (except venus) are retrograde. 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