Wow Ishwar, what a Quote!! (Santhanam, Parasara's Verse...)

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Namaskaar All

 

I think such debates and discussions are good and they give us and

opportunity to see that we do not yet have unified system for

predictions and there are discrepencies present. To some, one part

works and to the others some other part works. Those who are

beginners, get to see different arguments, and can be drawn to any set

of principles.

 

In this sense to call anyone any names is immature and uncalled for.

 

Look at the similarities

The two persons who are arguing both stand for Astrology and its

progress. Both have adequate knowledge to counter each other's

arguments. Both want their interpretation of Jyotisha Texts to be

available to new students of Astrology.

 

I am neither troubled by this debate and nor would want it to end.

However, any person representing a particular Jyotisha interpretation

cannot be disrespected or called names. It is by this means only that

the purpose of imparting and discussing Jyotish can be defeated in

this forum.

 

As Vedas put it:

OM SAHANA VAVATU SAHANA BHUNATTU

SAHA VIRYAM KARAWAVAHAI

TEJASVINAVADITAMASTU

MA VIDVISHAVAHAI

OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

vedic astrology, tvrao <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:

> dear ???ji,

>

> why single out pvr? what about others? i think there is a long list

in this

> category.

>

> tvr

> 9422203510

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> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology]On Behalf Of agatha christie

> Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:26 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Wow Ishwar, what a Quote!! (Re:

> Santhanam, Parasara's Verse...)

>

>

> To Mr PVR,

> Hey enough man !!! You are forever going bonkers !!!! LIke Mr

KNRao said

> in his interview about recent young astrologers ... " these young

upcoming

> astrologers become argumentative, arrogant and conceited"

> You increasingly fit the description.

>

> pvr108 <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> One young man insisted not long ago that divisionals were not charts

> or Kundalis and that houses and aspects could not be seen in them.

> He said you use them only to see if a planet is in exaltation or own

> sign or otherwise strong.

>

> Now, given this quote, he does not even acknowledge that he may not

> have been correct in insisting that divisionals were not kundalis.

> On the other hand, he insists "The word kundali does not mean we

> have to see bhavas there", while simultaneously accusing ME

> of "intelligently tilting the priority".

>

> I wonder what a Kundali (chakra or chart) is then and also why he

> insisted in the past that "divisionals" were not kundalis.

>

> Regarding the term "suta bhava navamsa", I did make clear that there

> were 2 ways to interpret it and did not try to manipulate. But

> forget that for a moment. Look at the fact that panchami vibhakti

> ("from" form) is used. We are told to see yogas FROM the putra

> karaka and FROM the 5th house (of rasi or divisionals, leave that

> aside for a moment) IN the navamsa and the trimsamsa KUNDALI also.

>

> Please note that Parasara not only mentioned the 5th house and putra

> karaka in D-9 and D-30, but he mentioned seeing yogas FROM them.

> This "from" is the key. If yogas involving putra karaka in those

> divisional charts were meant, the shashthi vibhakti ("of" form)

> would've been used.

>

> How do you see yogas FROM putra karaka IN D-30 CHART, if you don't

> find houses from him in D-30? What is the purpose of "from" except

> to imply a reference point for reckoning houses?

>

> We cannot say anything conclusively on the importance of 5th house

> of rasi chart vs 5th house in navamsa based on this verse. But, we

> CAN conclude that navamsa and trimsamsa are "charts" and that we can

> find houses from various references in those charts (including the

> putra karaka) and also find yogas with respect to those points in

> navamsa and trimsamsa charts!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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> vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste Ishwar,

> >

> > Thank you very much for the highly relevant quote! This verse is

> > remarkable, for it refers to Trimsamsa as a chart ("kundali"). See

> > what it says below:

> >

> > sutabhAvanavAMshAchcha sthirasantatikArakAt.h |

> > evaM trishAMshakuNDalyAmapi yogaM vichintayet.h || 30||

> >

> > The first line says that the yogas should be analyzed from

> > the "navamsa 5th house" and also from sthira putra karaka.

> > However, "suta bhava navamsa" could mean the 5th house of navamsa

> > chart or the navamsa position of [the cusp of] the 5th house of

> rasi

> > chart. Thus, it is not crystal clear that navamsa chart should be

> > used in the analysis or the 5th house in navamsa should be seen.

> > There is ambiguity in interpreting this line.

> >

> > But the second line is reamrkable. It says that "like this, in

> > trimsamsa KUNDALI also, analyze yogas". It is explicitly mentioned

> > that Trimsamsa (D-30) is a "chart" (kundali) and that yogas should

> > be analyzed in it. With the use of the word "kuNDalyAM" ("in

> > kuNDalI"), there is no ambiguity whatsoever!!!

> >

> > In fact, the unambiguous nature of this line tilts the balance in

> > the previous line also and one can confidently conclude that yogas

> > in navamsa and trimsamsa charts should be analyzed from the 5th

> > house and from fixed significator of children. Navamsa is the

> chart

> > of punya and blessings from it and Trimsamsa is the chart of paapa

> > and evils from it and it is apt that yogas in the 2 charts are

> > referred to!

> >

> > Yet another thing to ponder for the young man who lamented that

> > people were not open-minded and were not willing to "accept their

> > mistakes". In order to accept my mistake, first I have to be

> > convinced that I made a mistake! He played a cop, a lawyer, a

> judge

> > and a sentry and concluded that others were wrong and their ego

> was

> > stopping them from accepting their mistakes. It perhaps never

> > occurred to him that he was being hasty or over-confident in

> > dismissing (as opposed to questioning) the views of others and

> that

> > it could be he who was wrong or enagaged in "raw or first level"

> > attempts or "trials". I have nothing personal against this young

> > man, as he is obviously quite intelligent and sincere. I wish him

> > well in his search for Truth, as I continue my own search for

> Truth.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------------

> >

> > vedic astrology, "avikrishna"

> > <avikrishna> wrote:

> > > Om krishna guru:

> > >

> > > Namaste panditji:

> > >

> > > > I have GC Sharmas traslation and I am not sure

> > > > this shloka appears in that chapter when I briefly glanced at

> it.

> > > > Thats why I asked for the title of the chapter where this

> shlok

> > is

> > > > presented.

> > >

> > > The shlokas given by Narashimha as being in chapter 39 of

> > santhanam

> > > translation are in chapter 41 titled "RAJA YOGAS" in GC SHARMA

> > > translation. the shloka numbers are the same 13 and 14.

> > > I am mentioning from the 1999 reprint edition, page 548.

> > >

> > > There is a verse in chapter of upapada(chapter 32 GCS) shloka

> 30,

> > pg437

> > > G C Sharma translation does not have the english meaning, it

> also

> > has

> > > some references to yogas in nvamsha and trishamsha kundali

> > >

> > > Ishwar

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