Wow Ishwar, what a Quote!! (Santhanam, Parasara's Verse...)

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Dear shri Bharat

 

Shri Narasimha is a scholar with many years experience.It is his

sincerity that make him debate with a student like me,though i would

love to be compared with the scholar in him:-).When we know our

limitations we can grow.When we think we know all ,that is the end.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "Bharat"

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> Namaskaar All

>

> I think such debates and discussions are good and they give us and

> opportunity to see that we do not yet have unified system for

> predictions and there are discrepencies present. To some, one part

> works and to the others some other part works. Those who are

> beginners, get to see different arguments, and can be drawn to any

set

> of principles.

>

> In this sense to call anyone any names is immature and uncalled

for.

>

> Look at the similarities

> The two persons who are arguing both stand for Astrology and its

> progress. Both have adequate knowledge to counter each other's

> arguments. Both want their interpretation of Jyotisha Texts to be

> available to new students of Astrology.

>

> I am neither troubled by this debate and nor would want it to end.

> However, any person representing a particular Jyotisha

interpretation

> cannot be disrespected or called names. It is by this means only

that

> the purpose of imparting and discussing Jyotish can be defeated in

> this forum.

>

> As Vedas put it:

> OM SAHANA VAVATU SAHANA BHUNATTU

> SAHA VIRYAM KARAWAVAHAI

> TEJASVINAVADITAMASTU

> MA VIDVISHAVAHAI

> OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> vedic astrology, tvrao <tvrao_agd@s...>

wrote:

> > dear ???ji,

> >

> > why single out pvr? what about others? i think there is a long

list

> in this

> > category.

> >

> > tvr

> > 9422203510

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology]On Behalf Of agatha

christie

> > Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:26 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Wow Ishwar, what a Quote!!

(Re:

> > Santhanam, Parasara's Verse...)

> >

> >

> > To Mr PVR,

> > Hey enough man !!! You are forever going bonkers !!!! LIke Mr

> KNRao said

> > in his interview about recent young astrologers ... " these young

> upcoming

> > astrologers become argumentative, arrogant and conceited"

> > You increasingly fit the description.

> >

> > pvr108 <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > One young man insisted not long ago that divisionals were

not charts

> > or Kundalis and that houses and aspects could not be seen in

them.

> > He said you use them only to see if a planet is in

exaltation or own

> > sign or otherwise strong.

> >

> > Now, given this quote, he does not even acknowledge that he

may not

> > have been correct in insisting that divisionals were not

kundalis.

> > On the other hand, he insists "The word kundali does not

mean we

> > have to see bhavas there", while simultaneously accusing ME

> > of "intelligently tilting the priority".

> >

> > I wonder what a Kundali (chakra or chart) is then and also

why he

> > insisted in the past that "divisionals" were not kundalis.

> >

> > Regarding the term "suta bhava navamsa", I did make clear

that there

> > were 2 ways to interpret it and did not try to manipulate.

But

> > forget that for a moment. Look at the fact that panchami

vibhakti

> > ("from" form) is used. We are told to see yogas FROM the

putra

> > karaka and FROM the 5th house (of rasi or divisionals, leave

that

> > aside for a moment) IN the navamsa and the trimsamsa KUNDALI

also.

> >

> > Please note that Parasara not only mentioned the 5th house

and putra

> > karaka in D-9 and D-30, but he mentioned seeing yogas FROM

them.

> > This "from" is the key. If yogas involving putra karaka in

those

> > divisional charts were meant, the shashthi vibhakti ("of"

form)

> > would've been used.

> >

> > How do you see yogas FROM putra karaka IN D-30 CHART, if you

don't

> > find houses from him in D-30? What is the purpose of "from"

except

> > to imply a reference point for reckoning houses?

> >

> > We cannot say anything conclusively on the importance of 5th

house

> > of rasi chart vs 5th house in navamsa based on this verse.

But, we

> > CAN conclude that navamsa and trimsamsa are "charts" and

that we can

> > find houses from various references in those charts

(including the

> > putra karaka) and also find yogas with respect to those

points in

> > navamsa and trimsamsa charts!

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> > ----------------------------

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> >

> > vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...>

wrote:

> > > Namaste Ishwar,

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for the highly relevant quote! This

verse is

> > > remarkable, for it refers to Trimsamsa as a chart

("kundali"). See

> > > what it says below:

> > >

> > > sutabhAvanavAMshAchcha sthirasantatikArakAt.h |

> > > evaM trishAMshakuNDalyAmapi yogaM vichintayet.h || 30||

> > >

> > > The first line says that the yogas should be analyzed from

> > > the "navamsa 5th house" and also from sthira putra karaka.

> > > However, "suta bhava navamsa" could mean the 5th house of

navamsa

> > > chart or the navamsa position of [the cusp of] the 5th

house of

> > rasi

> > > chart. Thus, it is not crystal clear that navamsa chart

should be

> > > used in the analysis or the 5th house in navamsa should be

seen.

> > > There is ambiguity in interpreting this line.

> > >

> > > But the second line is reamrkable. It says that "like

this, in

> > > trimsamsa KUNDALI also, analyze yogas". It is explicitly

mentioned

> > > that Trimsamsa (D-30) is a "chart" (kundali) and that

yogas should

> > > be analyzed in it. With the use of the word "kuNDalyAM"

("in

> > > kuNDalI"), there is no ambiguity whatsoever!!!

> > >

> > > In fact, the unambiguous nature of this line tilts the

balance in

> > > the previous line also and one can confidently conclude

that yogas

> > > in navamsa and trimsamsa charts should be analyzed from

the 5th

> > > house and from fixed significator of children. Navamsa is

the

> > chart

> > > of punya and blessings from it and Trimsamsa is the chart

of paapa

> > > and evils from it and it is apt that yogas in the 2 charts

are

> > > referred to!

> > >

> > > Yet another thing to ponder for the young man who lamented

that

> > > people were not open-minded and were not willing

to "accept their

> > > mistakes". In order to accept my mistake, first I have to

be

> > > convinced that I made a mistake! He played a cop, a

lawyer, a

> > judge

> > > and a sentry and concluded that others were wrong and

their ego

> > was

> > > stopping them from accepting their mistakes. It perhaps

never

> > > occurred to him that he was being hasty or over-confident

in

> > > dismissing (as opposed to questioning) the views of others

and

> > that

> > > it could be he who was wrong or enagaged in "raw or first

level"

> > > attempts or "trials". I have nothing personal against this

young

> > > man, as he is obviously quite intelligent and sincere. I

wish him

> > > well in his search for Truth, as I continue my own search

for

> > Truth.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > --------------------------

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> > > --------------------------

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> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "avikrishna"

> > > <avikrishna> wrote:

> > > > Om krishna guru:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste panditji:

> > > >

> > > > > I have GC Sharmas traslation and I am not sure

> > > > > this shloka appears in that chapter when I briefly

glanced at

> > it.

> > > > > Thats why I asked for the title of the chapter where

this

> > shlok

> > > is

> > > > > presented.

> > > >

> > > > The shlokas given by Narashimha as being in chapter 39 of

> > > santhanam

> > > > translation are in chapter 41 titled "RAJA YOGAS" in GC

SHARMA

> > > > translation. the shloka numbers are the same 13 and 14.

> > > > I am mentioning from the 1999 reprint edition, page 548.

> > > >

> > > > There is a verse in chapter of upapada(chapter 32 GCS)

shloka

> > 30,

> > > pg437

> > > > G C Sharma translation does not have the english

meaning, it

> > also

> > > has

> > > > some references to yogas in nvamsha and trishamsha

kundali

> > > >

> > > > Ishwar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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