Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Dear Pradeep, > Pls ask Shri Rath -How did Jupiter- lagna lord Kill Tagore? > Even Shri Rath said Chandrahari ayanamsha explains it.(Rahu/Mars) Let me give an explanation based on my understanding. When we use Vimsottari dasa as a phalita dasa, dasa started from Moon dominates. But, when we use Vimsottari dasa as an ayurdasa (timing death and death like suffering), Vimsottari dasa started from the Kshema Tara (4th star from Moon) and Aadhaana Tara (8th star from Moon) should be given equal priority and preferred when stronger. When I taught Vimsottari dasa at an SJC workshop in New Jersey a couple of years back, I showed examples where Kshema Vimsottari dasa and Adhana Vimsottari dasa work better than normal Vimsottari dasa when timing death. JHora gives all these variations. It even helps you evaluate the strengths of various seeds by counting the planets in quadrants from the seed. In Tagore's chart, Kshema tara is the strongest of Janma/Kshema/Adhana taras. So, Kshema Vimsottari dasa started from Krittika works better in timing death, than Janma Vimsottari dasa started from Revati. He died in Mercury-Sun antardasa as per this variation of Vimsottari dasa. Mercury is the 7th lord in 2nd and owns the 64th navamsa as well as the 22nd drekkana. He owns the 22nd drekkana as per Parasari drekkana as well as Jagannatha drekkana (I prefer Jagannatha drekkana when finding the 22nd drekkana lord)! Undoubtedly, he is the strongest maraka here! Sun is an exalted malefic in 2nd (malefics in 2nd are strong marakas according to Parasara) and he associates with 7th and 8th lords. Thus, Mercury and Sun are both strong marakas. Mercury-Sun antardasa makes more sense to me than Mars-Rahu. * * * BTW, it is not right to hijack Manjunath's prediction to push an ayanamsa. Manjunath's prediction did not go off because of Vimsottari dasa calculations were off by a month. He used Vimsottari dasa, Mandooka dasa and Chara dasa. He wrote the following: > Period Under Consideration is Year 2005/2006 > Vimshottari: Moon-Moon; 2005/4 to 2006/2 > Chara : Tula-Kanya: 2005/1 to 2005/11 > Mandook (KNR Method):Dhnau-Karka: 2005/10 to 2006/10 > > It is highly unlikely that Chief Justice Rehnquist will retire > anytime between now and October 1, 2005. In Mandook dasha it is the > period of Dhanu-Tula till October 1. It is the period after his 81st > birthday that he will think of retirement due to his health problems > getting worse. Vimsottari dasa and Chara dasa did not have any antardasa changes around Oct 1. Only Mandooka dasa has an antardasa change on Oct 1. He thought retirement was "highly unlikely" before Oct 1 and expected it after October 1. The fact that his prediction happeneed (indirectly) a month earlier means that he misjudged the current antardasa of Mandooka dasa. It does not mean that his Vimsottari dasa calculations are wrong. It is in the judgment of Mandooka dasa that he erred. Mandooka dasa calculations don't change if ayanamsa changes a bit or birthtime changes a bit. BTW, Mandooka dasa taught by Sri KN Rao is very similar to a dasa with the same name that Parasara taught. However, there are considerable differences. These differences are bigger than the minor differences between Chara dasa taught by Parasara and Chara dasa taught by Sri KN Rao. I will be very skeptical about Sri KN Rao's researches into Mandooka dasa. Dear Narayan, the member "Kartheek" is getting unnecessarily personal and confrontational with people. If you haven't already done so, kindly remove him from the list. Misbehavior will not be tolerated, even if it is directed against people whose views differ from those of SJC. From my point of view, there is absolutely no difference between misbehavior directed at Sanjay ji and misbehavior directed at Pradeep or Manjunath. Let us maintain the dignity of the list and maintain mutual respect and courtesy even as we disagree vehemently on technical issues. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Narasimha Garu Thank you for giving lot of information. Please see my comments. > Vimsottari dasa and Chara dasa did not have any antardasa changes > around Oct 1. Only Mandooka dasa has an antardasa change on Oct 1. > He thought retirement was "highly unlikely" before Oct 1 and > expected it after October 1. The fact that his prediction happeneed > (indirectly) a month earlier means that he misjudged the current > antardasa of Mandooka dasa. The anterdasha as per my write up (and my understanding) starting Oct 2004 to Oct 2005 is Sg-Libra (Dhanu-Tula). Tula has Amk Moon and there is no way he would have retired. He never had any intention of retiring -that is clear. From Tula-Gnati karaka aspects Aries (seventh house of death)- May be that is the point I missed. But in VD there was no maraka period. Another important comment that I made in my write up is "4.In Shodashottary dasha, Mercury – Venus is again not favorable from health point of view. Mercury as eighth lord and Venus as maraka 7th lord will finally put an end to his glorious career. Note that both are in Rehnquist's tenth house and hence he is not retired yet." It is clear, using Shodashottary dasha, that his end was coming. I did not use the third level of this dasha. That would have been the clincher perhaps - to time this event even better. All the conditional dasha books that I have read say that it takes precedence over Vimshottari. Hence it is possible that Mer-Ven is the clear explanation than Mo-Mo. But it is after the fact and only an academic excercise now. But still I have learnt a lot from analyzing the horoscope of Rehnquist. MS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Dear Narasimha Ji >>JHora gives all these variations. It even helps you evaluate the >>strengths of various seeds by counting the planets in quadrants from >>the seed. Thanks for explaining all these in detail.I have checked them now under, options,and seed strength comparison help. As you are learned,calculations from Janma/Kshema/Adhana etc may be having conditional importances and perhaps priority. I have been suggesting only regarding the general or universal applicability of Vimshottari. >>>> Thus, Mercury and Sun are both strong marakas. Mercury-Sun >>>antardasa makes more sense to me than Mars-Rahu. If we are using this variation of Vimshottari,Mercury/Sun is more suitable. But then the question is whether Vimshottari from janma nakshathra can explain Ayur related or not?I feel it is possible.Then Rahu/Kuja is a better candidate over Guru/Guru. * * * >>>BTW, it is not right to hijack Manjunath's prediction to push an ayanamsa. In this wolrd of survival of the fittest,similar opportunities are rarely obtained,and hence my eagerness, to make use of:) >>>Manjunath's prediction did not go off because of Vimsottari dasa calculations were off by a month. He used Vimsottari dasa, Mandooka dasa and Chara dasa. I felt shri Manjunath might have predicted the worse, if Sun/Venus was the dasha instead of Moon/Moon.Especially as,he was referring to mercury pratyantara and health. Thus i was trying to highlight the importance of Ayanamsha. Thanks a lot for the rest of the mail and explanations.I have never ruled out the importance of conditional dashas. But i strongly feel,predictive experience using normal dasha,is a precondition,before attempting conditional.Because Phalita includes all Phalas,and the general indications shlould be visible. Respect Pradeepvedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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