Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Namaste, Thank you very much for your good explanations. During the course of explanations you have grouped them into four, is there any special reasons for not grouping Akrithi & Dela in one group and the other two Sankhya & Asraya in one group. --- Sreenadh <sreelid wrote: > I have seen that in some of the previous mails a > debate on 'whether > to apply Nabhasa yogas on divisional charts or not?' > was going on. > Several gurus are quoted but none seemed to discuss > the issue in its > theoretical and historical perspective. Some of my > humble observations > are given below. > Nabhasa Yoga > ============ > These yogas can give results in any desa. We cannot > say that only in > this or that particular desa a Nabhasa yoga will > give result. This is > the opinion of acharyas like Varaha Mihira. Nabhasa > yogas are not > related to any particular planet. Desa and Gochara > are related to > planets that serve as the significator of something. > Nabhasa yogas are > not related to any particular planet and that is why > based on Desa or > Gochara we cannot locate the period in which these > yogas will become > fruitful. Because of this fundamental flaw it is not > right to give > Nabhasa yogas more importance than it deserves. > Nabhasa yogas are classified into four. They are- > 1) Akrithi yogas (Told by: Kausika hora, Gargi > hora, Brihat > prajapathyam) > 2) Sankhya yogas (Told by: Brihat prajapathyam) > 3) Asraya yogas (Told by: Sathyacharya) > 4) Dela yogas (Told by: Parasara) > All these yogas are related to the thought 'what > special prediction > should be given if the planets are in 1 sign, 2 > signs, 3 signs etc'. > If these signs happen to be kendra, trikona, > panapara, apoklima, > chara, sthira, ubhaya some thought that special > importance should be > given. Even though first indicated by Rishi horas, > the Yavanacharyas > are the one who gave this system this much > propaganda. By permutation > combination they have increased the number of > Nabhasa yogas to 1800. > 1) Akrithi yogas > ------------- > Gada, Sakata, Vihaga (Antaja), Sringataka, Hala, > Vajra, Yava, Abja > (Kamala), Vapi, Uoopa, Ishu, Sakthi, Denda, Nou, > Koota, Cathra, Chapa, > Samudra, Chathra etc. All these yogas are produced > as a result of > Bhava-Planet combination. > 2) Sankhya yogas > ------------- > Vallaki, Dama, Pasa, Kedara, Soola, Yuga, Gola. > These are produced > as a result of Sign-Planet combination. > 3) Asraya yogas > ------------- > Ranju, Musala, Nala. These are produced as a > result of Sign-Planet > combination. > 4) Dela yogas > ------------- > Srek, Sarpa. These are produced as a result of > Bhava-Planet > combination. > > These yogas and the hundreds of other yogas the > names of which are > not mentioned, all comes under the simple and > fundamental rules of > Bhava-Planet combination and Sign-Planet > combination. Every learned > astrologer know that almost the whole astrology (or > all the yogas > mentioned in astrology) comes under the > classifications and results > generated by: > 1) Sign > 2) Bhava > 3) Planet > 4) Sign-Planet combination > 5) Bhava-Planet combination > 6) Sign-Bhava combination > 7) Sign-Bhava-Planet combination > If you systematically study these classifications > and the results > generated by them, then the whole astrology is > almost over! Look at > this sloka of Vashishtahora- > Stanato bhavathaH khetaiH stanabhavanabhascharai > Stanabhava samayogat bhavakhechara yogathaH > Yogasyu shadvidha sthanakhecharabhyam to sapthadhaH > stanabhavagrehaiproktha yoga ye yogahethava > Meaning, 'the combinations can be classified into > 7. They are 1) Sign > 2) Bhava 3) Planet 4) Sign-Planet 5) Bhava-Planet 6) > Sign-Bhava and 7) > Sign-Bhava-Planet'. > Why this 7-fold classification is important? I will > explain. > 1) Sign > All the results I predict based on the > classification and qualities > of signs such as Chara, Agneya, Gramya etc comes > under this. > 2) Bhava > If the lord of the 6th house is in 7th, I predict > something. All > such results come under this. > 3) Planet > If Sun-Moon, guru-Satern etc are together I > predict something. All > such 2 planet, 3 planet etc combinations and the > corresponding results > comes under this. > 4) Sign-Planet > If Sun is in Aris I predict something. All such > 'Asraya rasi phala' > comes under this. > 5) Bhava-Planet > If Jupiter is in 5th house I predict something. > All such 'bhava > phala' comes under this. > 6) Bhava-Planet > If Ge comes as the 3rd house I predict something. > All such results > come under this. > 7) Sign-Bhava-Planet > If mercury is in 7th house that happens to be Ge > then I predict > something. All such results come under this. > > Nabhasa yogas do not give importance to this > fundamental principle > (theoretical foundation) and the Desa-Gochara > constraints. This is > deviation from the fundamentals! When all the yogas > that are > considered as Nabhasa yogas and all other yogas > falls within the above > said seven-fold classification, why this separate > naming as 'Nabhasa > yogas'? It is a system created based on a bit of > theory (without > considering the total picture) and that is why > impossible/improbable > yogas like Vajra that speaks about the position of > Mercury in the 4th > house from sun comes under the category of Nabhasa > yogas. > Many acharyas tells us that as these Nabhasa yogas > comes under the > classification Sign-planet/Bhava-Planet > combinations, it is not > important that we should learn them separately. So I > will ask you not > to give importance to Nabhasa yogas in natal charts > or divisional > charts and go back to the ancient, fundamental, and > theoretically > perfect system of seven-fold classification!! > Predictions related to all Nabhasa yogas are > actually the ones that > come within the above said 7-fold classification and > thus for sure > related to Desa and Gochara. Therefore Nabhasa yoga > is a sure > deviation from the fundamentals. Yavanacharya and > the like have > increased the number of Nabhasa yogas to 1800 by > just applying the > permutation combination principles. If one is trying > to predict all > results (related to Sign-Planet and Bhava-planet > combinations) based > on the Nabhasa yogas then what is the use of whole > astrology? > Therefore I would urge the learners not to apply > Nabhasa yogas not > only in divisional charts but also in natal charts!! > > With warm regards, > Sreenadh > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Dear RAAGHAVAM ji, As you said Dala yogas should be included in Akrithi yoga and the like. But as you can see that classification is not done by me. Brihat prajapathyam classifies them into Akrithi and Sankhya yogas. Sathyacharya speaks about Asraya yogas, and Parasara about Dela yogas. I was just grouping all those yogas - 'as told by the Rishis'. If you go through the yogas, you could easily see that there is a better way of classification. But of the 1800 Nabhasa yogas, if the Seers speak only about these yogas, I think it also has some message to convey. With warm regards, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Namaste, Thank you very much for your kind explanations. --- Sreenadh <sreelid wrote: > Dear RAAGHAVAM ji, > As you said Dala yogas should be included in > Akrithi yoga and the > like. But as you can see that classification is not > done by me. > Brihat prajapathyam classifies them into Akrithi and > Sankhya yogas. > Sathyacharya speaks about Asraya yogas, and Parasara > about Dela yogas. > I was just grouping all those yogas - 'as told by > the Rishis'. If you > go through the yogas, you could easily see that > there is a better way > of classification. But of the 1800 Nabhasa yogas, if > the Seers speak > only about these yogas, I think it also has some > message to convey. > With warm regards, > Sreenadh > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Namasteji, how are you ? No one else dared to respond on your Srath writeup !!!! I would just like to ask to to please stop scaring us with the amount of knowledge you have.....man yu are something !!!! I feel like a zero when i go thru your articles...... Keep up the tradition !! Sandeep. ----Original Message Follows---- "Sreenadh" <sreelid vedic astrology vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Nabhasa Yoga - To Sreenath . Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:04:06 -0000 Dear RAAGHAVAM ji, As you said Dala yogas should be included in Akrithi yoga and the like. But as you can see that classification is not done by me. Brihat prajapathyam classifies them into Akrithi and Sankhya yogas. Sathyacharya speaks about Asraya yogas, and Parasara about Dela yogas. I was just grouping all those yogas - 'as told by the Rishis'. If you go through the yogas, you could easily see that there is a better way of classification. But of the 1800 Nabhasa yogas, if the Seers speak only about these yogas, I think it also has some message to convey. With warm regards, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Dear RAAGHAVAM ji, Let us address the qn, Why Nabhasa yogas are 1800 in number? ===================================== Akrithi yogas = 23 nos. Sankhya yogas = 127 nos. (permutation combination of basic 7 sankhya yogas) Total = 127 + 23 = 150 yogas. The signs are 12 in number. If we consider the possible combination of various signs as well, then, Total number of Nabhasa yogas = 150 x 12 = 1800 nos. Hope this will makes things more clear. This also means that there are actually only 2 types of Nabhasa yogas. That is, 1) Akrithi yogas (Bhava-Planet combination) 2) Sankya yogas (Sign-Planet combination) This makes clear why 'Saravali' states that 'the Yavanacharya has increased the number of Nabhasa yogas to 1800 just by applying permutation combination methods'. With warm regards, Sreenadh vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham> wrote: > > Namaste, > Thank you very much for your good explanations. During > the course of explanations you have grouped them into > four, is there any special reasons for not grouping > Akrithi & Dela in one group and the other two Sankhya > & Asraya in one group. > > > --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote: > > > I have seen that in some of the previous mails a > > debate on 'whether > > to apply Nabhasa yogas on divisional charts or not?' > > was going on. > > Several gurus are quoted but none seemed to discuss > > the issue in its > > theoretical and historical perspective. Some of my > > humble observations > > are given below. > > Nabhasa Yoga > > ============ > > These yogas can give results in any desa. We cannot > > say that only in > > this or that particular desa a Nabhasa yoga will > > give result. This is > > the opinion of acharyas like Varaha Mihira. Nabhasa > > yogas are not > > related to any particular planet. Desa and Gochara > > are related to > > planets that serve as the significator of something. > > Nabhasa yogas are > > not related to any particular planet and that is why > > based on Desa or > > Gochara we cannot locate the period in which these > > yogas will become > > fruitful. Because of this fundamental flaw it is not > > right to give > > Nabhasa yogas more importance than it deserves. > > Nabhasa yogas are classified into four. They are- > > 1) Akrithi yogas (Told by: Kausika hora, Gargi > > hora, Brihat > > prajapathyam) > > 2) Sankhya yogas (Told by: Brihat prajapathyam) > > 3) Asraya yogas (Told by: Sathyacharya) > > 4) Dela yogas (Told by: Parasara) > > All these yogas are related to the thought 'what > > special prediction > > should be given if the planets are in 1 sign, 2 > > signs, 3 signs etc'. > > If these signs happen to be kendra, trikona, > > panapara, apoklima, > > chara, sthira, ubhaya some thought that special > > importance should be > > given. Even though first indicated by Rishi horas, > > the Yavanacharyas > > are the one who gave this system this much > > propaganda. By permutation > > combination they have increased the number of > > Nabhasa yogas to 1800. > > 1) Akrithi yogas > > ------------- > > Gada, Sakata, Vihaga (Antaja), Sringataka, Hala, > > Vajra, Yava, Abja > > (Kamala), Vapi, Uoopa, Ishu, Sakthi, Denda, Nou, > > Koota, Cathra, Chapa, > > Samudra, Chathra etc. All these yogas are produced > > as a result of > > Bhava-Planet combination. > > 2) Sankhya yogas > > ------------- > > Vallaki, Dama, Pasa, Kedara, Soola, Yuga, Gola. > > These are produced > > as a result of Sign-Planet combination. > > 3) Asraya yogas > > ------------- > > Ranju, Musala, Nala. These are produced as a > > result of Sign-Planet > > combination. > > 4) Dela yogas > > ------------- > > Srek, Sarpa. These are produced as a result of > > Bhava-Planet > > combination. > > > > These yogas and the hundreds of other yogas the > > names of which are > > not mentioned, all comes under the simple and > > fundamental rules of > > Bhava-Planet combination and Sign-Planet > > combination. Every learned > > astrologer know that almost the whole astrology (or > > all the yogas > > mentioned in astrology) comes under the > > classifications and results > > generated by: > > 1) Sign > > 2) Bhava > > 3) Planet > > 4) Sign-Planet combination > > 5) Bhava-Planet combination > > 6) Sign-Bhava combination > > 7) Sign-Bhava-Planet combination > > If you systematically study these classifications > > and the results > > generated by them, then the whole astrology is > > almost over! Look at > > this sloka of Vashishtahora- > > Stanato bhavathaH khetaiH stanabhavanabhascharai > > Stanabhava samayogat bhavakhechara yogathaH > > Yogasyu shadvidha sthanakhecharabhyam to sapthadhaH > > stanabhavagrehaiproktha yoga ye yogahethava > > Meaning, 'the combinations can be classified into > > 7. They are 1) Sign > > 2) Bhava 3) Planet 4) Sign-Planet 5) Bhava-Planet 6) > > Sign-Bhava and 7) > > Sign-Bhava-Planet'. > > Why this 7-fold classification is important? I will > > explain. > > 1) Sign > > All the results I predict based on the > > classification and qualities > > of signs such as Chara, Agneya, Gramya etc comes > > under this. > > 2) Bhava > > If the lord of the 6th house is in 7th, I predict > > something. All > > such results come under this. > > 3) Planet > > If Sun-Moon, guru-Satern etc are together I > > predict something. All > > such 2 planet, 3 planet etc combinations and the > > corresponding results > > comes under this. > > 4) Sign-Planet > > If Sun is in Aris I predict something. All such > > 'Asraya rasi phala' > > comes under this. > > 5) Bhava-Planet > > If Jupiter is in 5th house I predict something. > > All such 'bhava > > phala' comes under this. > > 6) Bhava-Planet > > If Ge comes as the 3rd house I predict something. > > All such results > > come under this. > > 7) Sign-Bhava-Planet > > If mercury is in 7th house that happens to be Ge > > then I predict > > something. All such results come under this. > > > > Nabhasa yogas do not give importance to this > > fundamental principle > > (theoretical foundation) and the Desa-Gochara > > constraints. This is > > deviation from the fundamentals! When all the yogas > > that are > > considered as Nabhasa yogas and all other yogas > > falls within the above > > said seven-fold classification, why this separate > > naming as 'Nabhasa > > yogas'? It is a system created based on a bit of > > theory (without > > considering the total picture) and that is why > > impossible/improbable > > yogas like Vajra that speaks about the position of > > Mercury in the 4th > > house from sun comes under the category of Nabhasa > > yogas. > > Many acharyas tells us that as these Nabhasa yogas > > comes under the > > classification Sign-planet/Bhava-Planet > > combinations, it is not > > important that we should learn them separately. So I > > will ask you not > > to give importance to Nabhasa yogas in natal charts > > or divisional > > charts and go back to the ancient, fundamental, and > > theoretically > > perfect system of seven-fold classification!! > > Predictions related to all Nabhasa yogas are > > actually the ones that > > come within the above said 7-fold classification and > > thus for sure > > related to Desa and Gochara. Therefore Nabhasa yoga > > is a sure > > deviation from the fundamentals. Yavanacharya and > > the like have > > increased the number of Nabhasa yogas to 1800 by > > just applying the > > permutation combination principles. If one is trying > > to predict all > > results (related to Sign-Planet and Bhava-planet > > combinations) based > > on the Nabhasa yogas then what is the use of whole > > astrology? > > Therefore I would urge the learners not to apply > > Nabhasa yogas not > > only in divisional charts but also in natal charts!! > > > > With warm regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Namaste, Some time ago when Sri.Partha said,I wondered ,now you have explained how come Nabhasa yoga 1800.Thank you. --- Sreenadh <sreelid wrote: > Dear RAAGHAVAM ji, > Let us address the qn, > Why Nabhasa yogas are 1800 in number? > ===================================== > Akrithi yogas = 23 nos. > Sankhya yogas = 127 nos. (permutation combination > of basic 7 sankhya > yogas) > Total = 127 + 23 = 150 yogas. > The signs are 12 in number. If we consider the > possible combination > of various signs as well, then, > Total number of Nabhasa yogas = 150 x 12 = 1800 > nos. > Hope this will makes things more clear. This also > means that there > are actually only 2 types of Nabhasa yogas. That is, > 1) Akrithi yogas (Bhava-Planet combination) > 2) Sankya yogas (Sign-Planet combination) > This makes clear why 'Saravali' states that 'the > Yavanacharya has > increased the number of Nabhasa yogas to 1800 just > by applying > permutation combination methods'. > With warm regards, > Sreenadh > > > > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM > RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > Thank you very much for your good explanations. > During > > the course of explanations you have grouped them > into > > four, is there any special reasons for not > grouping > > Akrithi & Dela in one group and the other two > Sankhya > > & Asraya in one group. > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote: > > > > > I have seen that in some of the previous mails > a > > > debate on 'whether > > > to apply Nabhasa yogas on divisional charts or > not?' > > > was going on. > > > Several gurus are quoted but none seemed to > discuss > > > the issue in its > > > theoretical and historical perspective. Some of > my > > > humble observations > > > are given below. > > > Nabhasa Yoga > > > ============ > > > These yogas can give results in any desa. We > cannot > > > say that only in > > > this or that particular desa a Nabhasa yoga will > > > give result. This is > > > the opinion of acharyas like Varaha Mihira. > Nabhasa > > > yogas are not > > > related to any particular planet. Desa and > Gochara > > > are related to > > > planets that serve as the significator of > something. > > > Nabhasa yogas are > > > not related to any particular planet and that is > why > > > based on Desa or > > > Gochara we cannot locate the period in which > these > > > yogas will become > > > fruitful. Because of this fundamental flaw it is > not > > > right to give > > > Nabhasa yogas more importance than it deserves. > > > Nabhasa yogas are classified into four. They > are- > > > 1) Akrithi yogas (Told by: Kausika hora, Gargi > > > hora, Brihat > > > prajapathyam) > > > 2) Sankhya yogas (Told by: Brihat prajapathyam) > > > 3) Asraya yogas (Told by: Sathyacharya) > > > 4) Dela yogas (Told by: Parasara) > > > All these yogas are related to the thought > 'what > > > special prediction > > > should be given if the planets are in 1 sign, 2 > > > signs, 3 signs etc'. > > > If these signs happen to be kendra, trikona, > > > panapara, apoklima, > > > chara, sthira, ubhaya some thought that special > > > importance should be > > > given. Even though first indicated by Rishi > horas, > > > the Yavanacharyas > > > are the one who gave this system this much > > > propaganda. By permutation > > > combination they have increased the number of > > > Nabhasa yogas to 1800. > > > 1) Akrithi yogas > > > ------------- > > > Gada, Sakata, Vihaga (Antaja), Sringataka, > Hala, > > > Vajra, Yava, Abja > > > (Kamala), Vapi, Uoopa, Ishu, Sakthi, Denda, Nou, > > > Koota, Cathra, Chapa, > > > Samudra, Chathra etc. All these yogas are > produced > > > as a result of > > > Bhava-Planet combination. > > > 2) Sankhya yogas > > > ------------- > > > Vallaki, Dama, Pasa, Kedara, Soola, Yuga, > Gola. > > > These are produced > > > as a result of Sign-Planet combination. > > > 3) Asraya yogas > > > ------------- > > > Ranju, Musala, Nala. These are produced as a > > > result of Sign-Planet > > > combination. > > > 4) Dela yogas > > > ------------- > > > Srek, Sarpa. These are produced as a result of > > > Bhava-Planet > > > combination. > > > > > > These yogas and the hundreds of other yogas > the > > > names of which are > > > not mentioned, all comes under the simple and > > > fundamental rules of > > > Bhava-Planet combination and Sign-Planet > > > combination. Every learned > > > astrologer know that almost the whole astrology > (or > > > all the yogas > > > mentioned in astrology) comes under the > > > classifications and results > > > generated by: > > > 1) Sign > > > 2) Bhava > > > 3) Planet > > > 4) Sign-Planet combination > > > 5) Bhava-Planet combination > > > 6) Sign-Bhava combination > > > 7) Sign-Bhava-Planet combination > > > If you systematically study these > classifications > > > and the results > > > generated by them, then the whole astrology is > > > almost over! Look at > > > this sloka of Vashishtahora- > > > Stanato bhavathaH khetaiH > stanabhavanabhascharai > > > Stanabhava samayogat bhavakhechara yogathaH > > > Yogasyu shadvidha sthanakhecharabhyam to > sapthadhaH > > > stanabhavagrehaiproktha yoga ye yogahethava > > > Meaning, 'the combinations can be classified > into > > > 7. They are 1) Sign > > > 2) Bhava 3) Planet 4) Sign-Planet 5) > Bhava-Planet 6) > > > Sign-Bhava and 7) > > > Sign-Bhava-Planet'. > > > Why this 7-fold classification is important? I > will > > > explain. > > > 1) Sign > > > All the results I predict based on the > > > classification and qualities > > > of signs such as Chara, Agneya, Gramya etc comes > > > under this. > > > 2) Bhava > > > If the lord of the 6th house is in 7th, I > predict > > > something. All > > > such results come under this. > > > 3) Planet > > > If Sun-Moon, guru-Satern etc are together I > > > predict something. All > > > such 2 planet, 3 planet etc combinations and the > > > corresponding results > > > comes under this. > > > 4) Sign-Planet > > > If Sun is in Aris I predict something. All > such > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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