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Dear Shri Sanjay Rath ji

 

Please find the following as sincere queries.

The time and effort that i have spent over vargas,has been pointed out

by an SJC member as rude,non grateful,non sincere behaviour.

No worries.What am i doing here,am i quarelling over property

oundaries!!! Arent We engaged in a mutual exercise of sharing and

learning.

 

 

Please answer the following queries,if your kind self feels so.It will

help one and everyone.

 

1)Do we have any authority to,arrange and analyse Bhavas in groups of

''individual amshas'',resulting in non astronomical order.

Do we have multiple positions for planets and lagna.Arent we just

finding the harmonic mathematical relationship in individual

fashion.Is not Kalyan Verma very clear.

 

If multiple,then why should sage,teach us astronomy.In Rashi Chakra,it

is not an arrangement from us,it has already been arranged in

heaven.Isnt,Bhava Niroopana in Rashi Chakra

based on the exact astronomical order of planets.

 

2)Can two planets placed astronomically ,15 degrees apart, cast poorna

drishti(full aspect),just because we arrange them in order after

finding their amshas.

If so,then why should Mahamuni Parashara waste his energy over

aspectual rules.Can we even imagine such and still be proud of our

intellectual heritage!!!!!!

Why are we finding it difficult to understand views of

Santhanam,D.V.Subbu Rao,if not the numerous local scholars,(not

popular),having acces to fresh and noncorrupted classical views.

 

 

3)Arent Amshas individual harmonic relationship of planets with

various signs from their natal position.

For example,while thinking of Navamsha - a planet is related through

number 9,with one among the various sign divisions, of its dispositing

sign.

Similarly we take another planet and find its navamsha.That too is

individually related.

But do they attain any mutual relationship,just because we arrange

them, as if in heaven.

 

4)Do we have anyother way ,than to find vargas for our natal rising

degree and Planets.

 

5)If we sincerely go ack to basics,cant we understand why we care

unable to find even a single reference for Bhavas in a detailed text

like Saravali,especially as Kalyan Varma has reiterated the importance

of amshas.

 

I request your good self to honestly attempt this queries.OM NAMA

SHIVAYA.Kindly reply.

 

Respect

Pradeep

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I have read your past mails with great interest and after flipping through some

of the classics, I find no conclusive evidence that amshas should be used as

bhavas. There are a couple of shlokas that people have mentioned here which can

be interpreted as may be the sage wanted to use aspects in divisions. But I

don't think one can base an entire thesis on a few threads.

 

The camps are divided and I commend you for your perseverence and honestly

looking at what has been said in the classics, instead of getting trapped into

blind following.

 

I rarely used divisional charts except to look at graha bala, but after reading

your posts I am convinced that a fresh look into this theory of divisional

charts needs to be looked at at analyzed thoroughly. I must concede that they

provide a great tool to explain away things that are known and if one has to

write books and articles it is a good space filler. KN Rao has also mentioned

these in his books, but I am not sure how much he relies on these so called

divisional charts to actually arrive at his conclusions ( Only he can answer

that).

 

I have seen many people say "divisional chart won't give what rashi chart

promises", but many go directly to the concerned divisional chart for

prediction. I think what is promised by rashi kundali can be looked into rashi

kundali alone. I think we need to concentrate on how to unlock the secrets of

the rashi kundali, integrating it with amshas etc.

 

I do not know how active KN Rao is these days, but if you have not already done

so, please ask him these query of yours.We have gone through this exercise on

this list before and results have been people who are entreched in their

positions conforming their entrechments. Finally the proof is in predictive

ability, if you can do so using whatever technique all the power to you.

 

....

On 10/3/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Shri Sanjay Rath jiPlease find the following as sincere queries.The time

and effort that i have spent over vargas,has been pointed out

by an SJC member as rude,non grateful,non sincere behaviour.No worries.What am i

doing here,am i quarelling over propertyoundaries!!! Arent We engaged in a

mutual exercise of sharing andlearning.

Please answer the following queries,if your kind self feels so.It willhelp one

and everyone.1)Do we have any authority to,arrange and analyse Bhavas in groups

of''individual amshas'',resulting in non astronomical order.

Do we have multiple positions for planets and lagna.Arent we justfinding the

harmonic mathematical relationship in individualfashion.Is not Kalyan Verma

very clear.If multiple,then why should sage,teach us astronomy.In Rashi

Chakra,itis not an arrangement from us,it has already been arranged

inheaven.Isnt,Bhava Niroopana in Rashi Chakrabased on the exact astronomical

order of planets. 2)Can two planets placed astronomically ,15 degrees apart,

cast poorna

drishti(full aspect),just because we arrange them in order afterfinding their

amshas.If so,then why should Mahamuni Parashara waste his energy overaspectual

rules.Can we even imagine such and still be proud of our

intellectual heritage!!!!!!Why are we finding it difficult to understand views

ofSanthanam,D.V.Subbu Rao,if not the numerous local

scholars,(notpopular),having acces to fresh and noncorrupted classical views.

3)Arent Amshas individual harmonic relationship of planets withvarious signs

from their natal position.For example,while thinking of Navamsha - a planet is

related throughnumber 9,with one among the various sign divisions, of its

dispositing

sign.Similarly we take another planet and find its navamsha.That too

isindividually related.But do they attain any mutual relationship,just because

we arrangethem, as if in heaven.4)Do we have anyother way ,than to find vargas

for our natal rising

degree and Planets.5)If we sincerely go ack to basics,cant we understand why we

careunable to find even a single reference for Bhavas in a detailed textlike

Saravali,especially as Kalyan Varma has reiterated the importance

of amshas.I request your good self to honestly attempt this queries.OM

NAMASHIVAYA.Kindly reply.RespectPradeepArchives:

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Namaste Paditji,

Concerning whether to use D-charts or not you said,

> We have gone through this

> exercise on this list before and results have been

> people who are entreched in their positions conforming their

> entrechments. Finally the proof is in predictive ability,

> if you can do so using whatever technique all the power

> to you.

 

'Jyothisha phalamadesa, phalardhamarambhanam bhavathi loke

Tasmad yenjchakarohyadesa jyothishajnchena' (Krishneeyam)

Meaning, an astrologer should predict. Every effort is to extract

correct results. (Who will go fore fruitless efforts?) Therefore

astrologers should try/learn to predict (accurately).

 

Well said. It takes great courage to go back to the fundamentals,

and revise our path, in the pursuit of true astrological knowledge.

 

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Vijaydas,

> I have read your past mails with great interest and after flipping

through

> some of the classics, I find no conclusive evidence that amshas

should be

> used as bhavas. There are a couple of shlokas that people have

mentioned

> here which can be interpreted as may be the sage wanted to use

aspects in

> divisions. But I don't think one can base an entire thesis on a few

threads.

> The camps are divided and I commend you for your perseverence and

honestly

> looking at what has been said in the classics, instead of getting

trapped

> into blind following.

> I rarely used divisional charts except to look at graha bala, but

after

> reading your posts I am convinced that a fresh look into this theory

of

> divisional charts needs to be looked at at analyzed thoroughly. I

must

> concede that they provide a great tool to explain away things that

are known

> and if one has to write books and articles it is a good space

filler. KN Rao

> has also mentioned these in his books, but I am not sure how much he

relies

> on these so called divisional charts to actually arrive at his

conclusions (

> Only he can answer that).

> I have seen many people say "divisional chart won't give what rashi

chart

> promises", but many go directly to the concerned divisional chart

for

> prediction. I think what is promised by rashi kundali can be looked

into

> rashi kundali alone. I think we need to concentrate on how to unlock

the

> secrets of the rashi kundali, integrating it with amshas etc.

> I do not know how active KN Rao is these days, but if you have not

already

> done so, please ask him these query of yours.We have gone through

this

> exercise on this list before and results have been people who are

entreched

> in their positions conforming their entrechments. Finally the proof

is in

> predictive ability, if you can do so using whatever technique all

the power

> to you.

> ...

>

> On 10/3/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Sanjay Rath ji

> >

> > Please find the following as sincere queries.

> > The time and effort that i have spent over vargas,has been pointed

out

> > by an SJC member as rude,non grateful,non sincere behaviour.

> > No worries.What am i doing here,am i quarelling over property

> > oundaries!!! Arent We engaged in a mutual exercise of sharing and

> > learning.

> >

> >

> > Please answer the following queries,if your kind self feels so.It

will

> > help one and everyone.

> >

> > 1)Do we have any authority to,arrange and analyse Bhavas in groups

of

> > ''individual amshas'',resulting in non astronomical order.

> > Do we have multiple positions for planets and lagna.Arent we just

> > finding the harmonic mathematical relationship in individual

> > fashion.Is not Kalyan Verma very clear.

> >

> > If multiple,then why should sage,teach us astronomy.In Rashi

Chakra,it

> > is not an arrangement from us,it has already been arranged in

> > heaven.Isnt,Bhava Niroopana in Rashi Chakra

> > based on the exact astronomical order of planets.

> >

> > 2)Can two planets placed astronomically ,15 degrees apart, cast

poorna

> > drishti(full aspect),just because we arrange them in order after

> > finding their amshas.

> > If so,then why should Mahamuni Parashara waste his energy over

> > aspectual rules.Can we even imagine such and still be proud of our

> > intellectual heritage!!!!!!

> > Why are we finding it difficult to understand views of

> > Santhanam,D.V.Subbu Rao,if not the numerous local scholars,(not

> > popular),having acces to fresh and noncorrupted classical views.

> >

> >

> > 3)Arent Amshas individual harmonic relationship of planets with

> > various signs from their natal position.

> > For example,while thinking of Navamsha - a planet is related

through

> > number 9,with one among the various sign divisions, of its

dispositing

> > sign.

> > Similarly we take another planet and find its navamsha.That too is

> > individually related.

> > But do they attain any mutual relationship,just because we arrange

> > them, as if in heaven.

> >

> > 4)Do we have anyother way ,than to find vargas for our natal

rising

> > degree and Planets.

> >

> > 5)If we sincerely go ack to basics,cant we understand why we care

> > unable to find even a single reference for Bhavas in a detailed

text

> > like Saravali,especially as Kalyan Varma has reiterated the

importance

> > of amshas.

> >

> > I request your good self to honestly attempt this queries.OM NAMA

> > SHIVAYA.Kindly reply.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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