What is the significance of vedic in vedic astrology

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Respected Astrologers,

As a recent entrant, I have been going through all the

postings on this forum with keen interest.

 

I am puzzled regarding the above topic because:

1. It is said that the Vedas contain a seasonal solar

year. And since a seasonal year means a tropical

year, how can there be any "nirayana astrology" in the

Vedas?

 

2. If the Vedic Seers practised any nirayana

astrology, it must have been based on a nirayana i.e.

a sidereal solar year. How is it derived :

a) As per the modern astronomy; and

b) What could have been the paractical method and

calculations for derving a sidereal year in the Vedic

period.

 

Only after solving this puzzle it will be possible to

arrive at a definite conclusion regarding the meaning

of "Vedic" in "Vedic-astrology"

Thanks and regards,

Mohan Jyotishi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The crux of Astrology is not Ayanamsha and it isn't the deciding factor

in Astrology being called Vedic or Hindu. The main fact is that grahas

- seize the individual into a maya and keep one there. Born of time,

space and causation the grahas make sure that the individual does not

escape the same.

In other words, grahas represent our attachments, beliefs, etc. Knowing

this through Astrology (an external help in this case), we can then

break such attachments and wrong beliefs. What is not Vedic about it?

Can you define Hindu without any reference to the Veda?

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 10/9/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 > wrote:

Respected Astrologers,

As a recent entrant, I have been going through all the

postings on this forum with keen interest.

I am puzzled regarding the above topic because:

1. It is said that the Vedas contain a seasonal solar

year. And since a seasonal year means a tropical

year, how can there be any "nirayana astrology" in the

Vedas?

2. If the Vedic Seers practised any nirayana

astrology, it must have been based on a nirayana i.e.

a sidereal solar year. How is it derived :

a) As per the modern astronomy; and

b) What could have been the paractical method and

calculations for derving a sidereal year in the Vedic

period.

Only after solving this puzzle it will be possible to

arrive at a definite conclusion regarding the meaning

of "Vedic" in "Vedic-astrology"

Thanks and regards,

Mohan Jyotishi

 

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> Namaskar Shri Bharat,

> I think my questions were very simple and I repeat

> them and request you once again to answer them in

that order:

> 1. What type of Rashis (not constellations!) if any,

are there in the Vedas?

> In other words, what type of solar year --

> whether tropical or sidereal, is there in the Vedas?

> 2. Though all the Vedic scholars are of uniform

> opinion that the Vedic solar years are tropical, yet

> if we presume them to be sidereal, how are they

> calculated today and how were they calculated in the

> Vedic period.

> 3. The Vedas have been there for at least over six

> thousand years. Nobody called Indian predictive

> astrology Vedic astrology till about forty years

> back.

> Who then "coined" this term "Vedic astrology" and

when and why?

> 4. If Indian predictive astrology is nirayana, which

> Ayanamsha is correct among at least half a dozen

> ayanamshas? In other words, which Ayanamsha, if any

> at all, is Vedic?

> 5. I do not know why Mr. Kaul did not answer your

> questions. I suggest you become a member

> of

> /HinduCalendar

and put those unanswered question to him on that forum

since he

> claims there that anybody can ask any questions

> regarding the zodiac etc.

Thanks and regards,

Mohan Jyotishi

 

PS. Discussing an issue in a proper manner does not

mean that we are ceating problems! On the other hand,

there will be problems unloess we arrive at the truth

ourselves first.

MJ

> > vedic astrology, Bharat

> Hindu

> > Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Mohan

> >

> > Again in very simple words,

> >

> > We call astrology as Hindu as we are hindus, but

> > hindu is a given name. As

> > following the Vedas, we are vedics or vedikas.

> > Therefore, Astrology can be

> > called Vedic Astrology. By calling it Vedic, we

> are

> > not saying that it is

> > given in the Vedas but we are saying that it is

> > practised by those who

> > have

> > adopted the Vedas.

> >

> > By going into History and making things complex

> > noone is benefitted. I

> > have

> > not read or seen a history of Ayanamsha and had

> > asked Sri Avtar Kaul some

> > questions which he has not answered. Whether the

> > ancient Vedics used

> > precession of equinoxes or not, I gave a complete

> > text of Sri Abhayankar's

> > Jaimini Sutra where in he had discussed the same.

> > The ayanamsha is only

> > determinant of the way astrology is practised and

> in

> > no way decides

> > whether

> > or not it is Hindu or Vedic.

> >

> > If Astrology is used for predictive purposes, why

> > should it not be Vedic?

> > That is its secondary use and no where is it

> > mentioned that with secondary

> > usage, its main purpose is lost.

> >

> > Privately, another person has emailed me some

> text,

> > which calls Astrology

> > Tantrik in nature. The Tantricks when explained to

> > by Sri Adi Sankara, had

> > complete faith in the Vedas. In his time, they

> > thought Purusha and

> > Prakriti

> > were two different forces. It was Sri Sankara who

> > established the

> > sameness.

> > The person also mentions that Hindus should not be

> > called followers of

> > Veda

> > as they perform Linga worship instead of Fire.

> >

> > To him I would like to say, The Vedas allow

> worship

> > of any form, any

> > non-form as "All is verily Brahman". This is the

> 1st

> > sentence of Isha

> > Upanishad. In your view, Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramhansa

> > would become a Tantrik

> > and a non Vedic, which is absurd.

> >

> > I will continue to call Astrology both Vedic and

> > Hindu, contrary to your

> > beliefs of Sri Chandrashekhar or Sri K. N. Rao,

> for

> > the above given

> > reasons.

> >

> >

> > For me there is no Hindu without the Veda.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 10/10/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskar Shri Bharatji,

> > >

> > > The Vedas have been there for the last at least

> > 6000

> > > years. The Vedanga Jyotisha has been there for

> the

> > > last about 4000 years. However, it is said that

> > the

> > > Vedanga Jyotisha deals only with astronomy and

> not

> > > predictive astrology. The question arises

> > therefore

> > > as to when the "Vedic astrology" in the sense of

> > > predictive astrology came into vogue?

> > >

> > > This term "Vedic astrology" does not appear to

> be

> > more

> > > than forty years old! None of the earlier

> > panchangas

> > > and maggazines referred to it at as Vedic

> > astrology!

> > > It was known as Indian system or nirayana

> system!

> > > Muslims and Christians etc. might have referred

> to

> > it

> > > as "Hindu" system. Thus the question arises as

> to

> > who

> > > invented the term "Vedic astrology" and why?

> > >

> > > What is the harm if we try to find an answer to

> > > these questions?

> > >

> > > Secondly, I have just asked a simple question.

> If

> > the

> > > Vedas are supposed to be using a tropical year

> for

> > all

> > > the riturals and yagas etc., how and why is the

> > > nirayana astrology, which must use a sidereal

> year

> > as

> > > a measure, known as Vedic astrology.

> > >

> > > The qeustion of Ayanamsha matters very much.

> JHora

> > > calculates planetary longitudes and all the

> bhavas

> > and

> > > divisional charts according to at least half a

> > dozen

> > > ayanamshas! It means that "Vedic astrologers"

> use

> > all

> > > those ayanamshas as otherwise there would have

> > been no

> > > fun in including all of them in JHora.

> > >

> > > If I find predictions correct as per Ramana

> > Ayanamsha,

> > > you find them correct as per Lahiri Ayanamsha,

> Mr.

> > X

> > > finds them correct as per Fagan Ayanamsha and

> Mr.

> > Z as

> > > per zero ayanamsha, it definitely means that

> > something

> > > is definitely wrong with these ayanamshas since

> > all of

> > > them can never be correct for one and the same

> > > purpose. If we presume that Lahiri Ayanamsha

> works

> > > fine for A's chart but Ramana Ayanamsha for B's

> > chart

> > > and Fagan Ayanmsha for C's chart, it will go to

> > the

> > > point of no return!

> > >

>

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Thanks and Regards

BharatOn 10/11/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 > wrote:

> Namaskar Shri Bharat,

> I think my questions were very simple and I repeat

> them and request you once again to answer them in

that order:

> 1. What type of Rashis (not constellations!) if any,

are there in the Vedas?

> In other words, what type of solar year --

> whether tropical or sidereal, is there in the Vedas?

> 2. Though all the Vedic scholars are of uniform

> opinion that the Vedic solar years are tropical, yet

> if we presume them to be sidereal, how are they

> calculated today and how were they calculated in the

> Vedic period.

> 3. The Vedas have been there for at least over six

> thousand years. Nobody called Indian predictive

> astrology Vedic astrology till about forty years

> back.

> Who then "coined" this term "Vedic astrology" and

when and why?

> 4. If Indian predictive astrology is nirayana, which

> Ayanamsha is correct among at least half a dozen

> ayanamshas? In other words, which Ayanamsha, if any

> at all, is Vedic?

> 5. I do not know why Mr. Kaul did not answer your

> questions. I suggest you become a member

> of

> /HinduCalendar

and put those unanswered question to him on that forum

since he

> claims there that anybody can ask any questions

> regarding the zodiac etc.

Thanks and regards,

Mohan Jyotishi

PS. Discussing an issue in a proper manner does not

mean that we are ceating problems! On the other hand,

there will be problems unloess we arrive at the truth

ourselves first.

MJ

> > vedic astrology, Bharat

> Hindu

> > Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Mohan

> >

> > Again in very simple words,

> >

> > We call astrology as Hindu as we are hindus, but

> > hindu is a given name. As

> > following the Vedas, we are vedics or vedikas.

> > Therefore, Astrology can be

> > called Vedic Astrology. By calling it Vedic, we

> are

> > not saying that it is

> > given in the Vedas but we are saying that it is

> > practised by those who

> > have

> > adopted the Vedas.

> >

> > By going into History and making things complex

> > noone is benefitted. I

> > have

> > not read or seen a history of Ayanamsha and had

> > asked Sri Avtar Kaul some

> > questions which he has not answered. Whether the

> > ancient Vedics used

> > precession of equinoxes or not, I gave a complete

> > text of Sri Abhayankar's

> > Jaimini Sutra where in he had discussed the same.

> > The ayanamsha is only

> > determinant of the way astrology is practised and

> in

> > no way decides

> > whether

> > or not it is Hindu or Vedic.

> >

> > If Astrology is used for predictive purposes, why

> > should it not be Vedic?

> > That is its secondary use and no where is it

> > mentioned that with secondary

> > usage, its main purpose is lost.

> >

> > Privately, another person has emailed me some

> text,

> > which calls Astrology

> > Tantrik in nature. The Tantricks when explained to

> > by Sri Adi Sankara, had

> > complete faith in the Vedas. In his time, they

> > thought Purusha and

> > Prakriti

> > were two different forces. It was Sri Sankara who

> > established the

> > sameness.

> > The person also mentions that Hindus should not be

> > called followers of

> > Veda

> > as they perform Linga worship instead of Fire.

> >

> > To him I would like to say, The Vedas allow

> worship

> > of any form, any

> > non-form as "All is verily Brahman". This is the

> 1st

> > sentence of Isha

> > Upanishad. In your view, Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramhansa

> > would become a Tantrik

> > and a non Vedic, which is absurd.

> >

> > I will continue to call Astrology both Vedic and

> > Hindu, contrary to your

> > beliefs of Sri Chandrashekhar or Sri K. N. Rao,

> for

> > the above given

> > reasons.

> >

> >

> > For me there is no Hindu without the Veda.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 10/10/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskar Shri Bharatji,

> > >

> > > The Vedas have been there for the last at least

> > 6000

> > > years. The Vedanga Jyotisha has been there for

> the

> > > last about 4000 years. However, it is said that

> > the

> > > Vedanga Jyotisha deals only with astronomy and

> not

> > > predictive astrology. The question arises

> > therefore

> > > as to when the "Vedic astrology" in the sense of

> > > predictive astrology came into vogue?

> > >

> > > This term "Vedic astrology" does not appear to

> be

> > more

> > > than forty years old! None of the earlier

> > panchangas

> > > and maggazines referred to it at as Vedic

> > astrology!

> > > It was known as Indian system or nirayana

> system!

> > > Muslims and Christians etc. might have referred

> to

> > it

> > > as "Hindu" system. Thus the question arises as

> to

> > who

> > > invented the term "Vedic astrology" and why?

> > >

> > > What is the harm if we try to find an answer to

> > > these questions?

> > >

> > > Secondly, I have just asked a simple question.

> If

> > the

> > > Vedas are supposed to be using a tropical year

> for

> > all

> > > the riturals and yagas etc., how and why is the

> > > nirayana astrology, which must use a sidereal

> year

> > as

> > > a measure, known as Vedic astrology.

> > >

> > > The qeustion of Ayanamsha matters very much.

> JHora

> > > calculates planetary longitudes and all the

> bhavas

> > and

> > > divisional charts according to at least half a

> > dozen

> > > ayanamshas! It means that "Vedic astrologers"

> use

> > all

> > > those ayanamshas as otherwise there would have

> > been no

> > > fun in including all of them in JHora.

> > >

> > > If I find predictions correct as per Ramana

> > Ayanamsha,

> > > you find them correct as per Lahiri Ayanamsha,

> Mr.

> > X

> > > finds them correct as per Fagan Ayanamsha and

> Mr.

> > Z as

> > > per zero ayanamsha, it definitely means that

> > something

> > > is definitely wrong with these ayanamshas since

> > all of

> > > them can never be correct for one and the same

> > > purpose. If we presume that Lahiri Ayanamsha

> works

> > > fine for A's chart but Ramana Ayanamsha for B's

> > chart

> > > and Fagan Ayanmsha for C's chart, it will go to

> > the

> > > point of no return!

> > >

>

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