To all my Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

October 26, 2005

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

October 26, 2005

Namaste Rajan,

It's best to start Jyotish from the basics, I think you are

jumping directly somewhere in between. Please go thru some lessons. If

possible have a Jyotish teacher(Guru).

You can listen to Narasimhaji's MP3 lessons or even read Dasji's site

http://www.goravani.com/lessons/LessMenu.html

a)How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

Retrograde graha gets Chesta Bala or "Desire Strength" the desire of

the graha gives the ability to put tremendous amount of work (about 3

times more). The work done will be indicated by the naisargika

kaarakatwa and house owned etc.

b)Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

Each house is different, 6 house is a upachaaya house. So the

indications of planets in 6th may actually force you to grow. Eighth

house is house of Nija dosha. It indicates net karma which we are

supposed to deliver in this life. For example Venus in 8th may give a

kind of Saadhu yoga, Where a person may have detached tendency to

spouce and such matters. 12th is house of disattachment, which makes

you give, having virodha argala to 2nd the Kutumba or Family and Near

ones. Benefics like Jupiter in 12th may actual give u quite free hand

in wealth and make you do many good deeds. Whereas Graha Like Sun in

12th may make you feel giving a lot and still feel pressured as it's

house for marana kaara as no one can give like Sun.

Understand a Bhaava is deep secret, Even very learned Jyotish may have

something to learn about a Bhaava always. After Jyotish has only 12

Bhaava and 9th Graha to explain everything in this manifest world!. The

secret is the various combinations. So you will always have something

new to learn in same 12 Bhaava.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

"Raghu" is pronounced as "Raahu" in sanskrit, Rahu aspects 9,7,5 and

2nd house from where it is and Ketu does not aspect as it has no head.

I you dont mind a suggestion, For more understanding of the

grahas Recite the Navagraha ashtottaram for each graha. Like recite

Surya Ashtottara on Sunday, Chandra on Monday etc. For few weeks to

learn better.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

Hare Rama Krishna

October 26, 2005

I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for starting a good thread.

See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

If u have retro venus in 10th depending upon lordship , see lordship is very imp

in Jyotishi ok it may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be less Sarvashtak

varga points for these houses.

4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but yes rahu ,

ketu is headless so cant aspect.

Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow where as

ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they behave like

their lord of houses in which they reside.

Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that is due to

Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

Best Regards,

Shalu.

(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

astro learner <vedic_learner > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

October 26, 2005

Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for Cancer Lagna, you

mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in kendra and

debilitated.

Any one can answer this point , please.

Namaskar.

Surya

Shalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

Dear Sir,

I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for starting a good thread.

See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

If u have retro venus in 10th depending upon lordship , see lordship is very imp

in Jyotishi ok it may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be less Sarvashtak

varga points for these houses.

4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but yes rahu ,

ketu is headless so cant aspect.

Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow where as

ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they behave like

their lord of houses in which they reside.

Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that is due to

Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

Best Regards,

Shalu.

(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

astro learner <vedic_learner > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

October 26, 2005

Shalmali PSurya <suryavempati > wrote:

I have a question on your response. In your second point you mentioned "Malefic

in debiliation acts as exalted"

Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for Cancer Lagna, you

mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in kendra and

debilitated.

Any one can answer this point , please.

Namaskar.

Surya

Shalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

Dear Sir,

I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for starting a good thread.

See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

If u have retro venus in 10th depending upon lordship , see lordship is very imp

in Jyotishi ok it may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be less Sarvashtak

varga points for these houses.

4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but yes rahu ,

ketu is headless so cant aspect.

Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow where as

ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they behave like

their lord of houses in which they reside.

Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that is due to

Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

Best Regards,

Shalu.

(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

astro learner <vedic_learner > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

October 26, 2005

If sun is debilitated in Libra? Will it be exalted. If yes how ?

Thank you

SuryaShalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

u r confusing urself between malefics benefics concept and debiliation treat

each one seperately see lords friendship with lord u will get what i want to

say.

Shalmali PSurya <suryavempati > wrote:

I have a question on your response. In your second point you mentioned "Malefic

in debiliation acts as exalted"

Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for Cancer Lagna, you

mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in kendra and

debilitated.

Any one can answer this point , please.

Namaskar.

Surya

Shalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

Dear Sir,

I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for starting a good thread.

See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

If u have retro venus in 10th depending upon lordship , see lordship is very imp

in Jyotishi ok it may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be less Sarvashtak

varga points for these houses.

4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but yes rahu ,

ketu is headless so cant aspect.

Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow where as

ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they behave like

their lord of houses in which they reside.

Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that is due to

Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

Best Regards,

Shalu.

(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

astro learner <vedic_learner > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

October 26, 2005

Your very quick feedback , Sun here is not exalted it is debiliated only.

He is in enemy's camp so the debiliation conside one small case of retro saturn

in aries house then what i wrote seems ok what u say.

Shalmali Pethe.

Surya <suryavempati > wrote:

Sorry if i am confusing you. I am not confused.

If sun is debilitated in Libra? Will it be exalted. If yes how ?

Thank you

SuryaShalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

u r confusing urself between malefics benefics concept and debiliation treat

each one seperately see lords friendship with lord u will get what i want to

say.

Shalmali PSurya <suryavempati > wrote:

I have a question on your response. In your second point you mentioned "Malefic

in debiliation acts as exalted"

Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for Cancer Lagna, you

mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in kendra and

debilitated.

Any one can answer this point , please.

Namaskar.

Surya

Shalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

Dear Sir,

I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for starting a good thread.

See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

If u have retro venus in 10th depending upon lordship , see lordship is very imp

in Jyotishi ok it may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be less Sarvashtak

varga points for these houses.

4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but yes rahu ,

ketu is headless so cant aspect.

Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow where as

ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they behave like

their lord of houses in which they reside.

Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that is due to

Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

Best Regards,

Shalu.

(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

astro learner <vedic_learner > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

October 26, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Consider the

Sun and Moon as luminaries. The natural malefic planets are Rahu, Saturn and

Mars.

Sun can never

be considered as it NEVER retrogrades. But in the case of Saturn and Mars and for

this matter, the other functional malefics for a particular chart IF they are

debilitated and retrograde, consider them to be working in exaltation (like a

workaholic who eventually gets the results).

If Sun is

debilitated, then Venus becomes VERY strong (like Lakshmi). In this case,

consider Mercury’s strength (who debilitates Venus).

Then consider

the naisargika and chara karakas involved as well as their karakatwas. In this

way, you can compartmentalize your assessments.

Love,

Swee

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vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Surya

Wednesday, October 26, 2005

6:18 PM

To:

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] To

all my Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Sorry if i am confusing you. I am not confused.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">If sun is debilitated in Libra? Will it be exalted. If yes

how ?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thank you

12.0pt">Surya

Shalmali

<mail2shalmalip > wrote:

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12.0pt">u r confusing urself between malefics benefics concept and debiliation

treat each one seperately see lords friendship with lord u will get what i want

to say.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Shalmali P

Surya

<suryavempati > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">I have a question on your response. In your second point you

mentioned "Malefic in debiliation

acts as exalted"

12.0pt">Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for

Cancer Lagna, you mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in

kendra and debilitated.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Any one can answer this point , please.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaskar.

12.0pt">Surya

12.0pt">

Shalmali

<mail2shalmalip > wrote:

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12.0pt">Dear Sir,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for

starting a good thread.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies

original behaviour but cant change it.

12.0pt">If u have retro venus in 10th depending

upon lordship , see lordship is very imp in Jyotishi ok it

may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be

less Sarvashtak varga points for these houses.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but

yes rahu , ketu is headless so cant aspect.

12.0pt">Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow

where as ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they

behave like their lord of houses in which they reside.

12.0pt">Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that

is due to Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

12.0pt">Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

12.0pt">Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

12.0pt">many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Best Regards,

12.0pt">Shalu.

12.0pt">(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

12.0pt">

astro learner

<vedic_learner > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Respected Gurujis,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Please clarify the following.

12.0pt">a)

12.0pt">How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please

explain for both

12.0pt">Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own

house, debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">b)

12.0pt">Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any

harm? Please clarify?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it

good or bad.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

12.0pt">give me a source too.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanking you in advance.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Yours sincerely

12.0pt">

12.0pt">S.G.Raajan

12.0pt">

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October 26, 2005

I though SUN is also a natural malefic. You have mentioned RAHU, SATURN and

MARS. I guess you have taken only these in your example. Otherwise we do have

KETU listed as Malefic ?

If Sun is debilitated in Libra and Venus is sitting in LEO for Cancer lagna.

What are the benefits for the person? In this case , SUN is located in 4th

house (vishnu Sthana) and debilitated. So will these person gets Neecha Bhanga

Raja yoga? As the saturn is located in Taurus while the Moon is located in AQ?

Regards

SuryaSwee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Consider the Sun and Moon as luminaries. The natural malefic planets are Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

Sun can never be considered as it NEVER retrogrades. But in the case of Saturn

and Mars and for this matter, the other functional malefics for a particular

chart IF they are debilitated and retrograde, consider them to be working in

exaltation (like a workaholic who eventually gets the results).

If Sun is debilitated, then Venus becomes VERY strong (like Lakshmi). In this

case, consider Mercury’s strength (who debilitates Venus).

Then consider the naisargika and chara karakas involved as well as their

karakatwas. In this way, you can compartmentalize your assessments.

Love,

Swee

vedic astrology [vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of SuryaWednesday, October 26, 2005 6:18 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] To all my

Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

Sorry if i am confusing you. I am not confused.

If sun is debilitated in Libra? Will it be exalted. If yes how ?

Thank you

SuryaShalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

u r confusing urself between malefics benefics concept and debiliation treat

each one seperately see lords friendship with lord u will get what i want to

say.

Shalmali PSurya <suryavempati > wrote:

I have a question on your response. In your second point you mentioned "Malefic

in debiliation acts as exalted"

Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for Cancer Lagna, you

mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in kendra and

debilitated.

Any one can answer this point , please.

Namaskar.

Surya

Shalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

Dear Sir,

I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for starting a good thread.

See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

If u have retro venus in 10th depending upon lordship , see lordship is very imp

in Jyotishi ok it may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be less Sarvashtak

varga points for these houses.

4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but yes rahu ,

ketu is headless so cant aspect.

Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow where as

ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they behave like

their lord of houses in which they reside.

Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that is due to

Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

Best Regards,

Shalu.

(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

astro learner <vedic_learner > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

October 26, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Assuming that

Venus is not combust, it lends some buoyancy to the person’s health. In the

matter of benefits, the luminaries are not well placed.

Interesting

to know about the father-mother relationship as you’ve not given Jupiter’s

position. The placement of badhakesh in the 4th with Sun makes it

rather difficult in the home front where parents are concerned.

Ketu has no

drishti and is only a malefic if one continues to pursue the material life.

Any reason

why you’ve left out Mercury? If it’s in the 3rd, neecha

bhanga goes to the younger sibling who should fare much better than the native,

and likewise, if placed in the 5th, to his children with the proviso

of Ketu and Mars. Delineate for Mars for the 3rd and 4th house.

Saturn’s

placement in the 4th from Moon also has a say in the environmental/housing

hardships.

Love,

Swee

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Surya

Thursday, October 27, 2005

4:28 AM

vedic astrology

RE: [vedic astrology] To

all my Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thank you Swee G, Namaskar, I got the answer. However there

is one more question based on your point below.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I though SUN is also a natural malefic. You have mentioned RAHU,

SATURN and MARS. I guess you have taken only these in your example.

Otherwise we do have KETU listed as Malefic ?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">If Sun is debilitated in Libra and Venus is sitting in LEO for Cancer

lagna. What are the benefits for the person? In this

case , SUN is located in 4th house (vishnu Sthana) and debilitated. So

will these person gets Neecha Bhanga Raja yoga? As the saturn is located

in Taurus while the Moon is located in AQ?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards

12.0pt">Surya

Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

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Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Consider the

Sun and Moon as luminaries. The natural malefic planets are Rahu, Saturn and

Mars.

Sun can never

be considered as it NEVER retrogrades. But in the case of Saturn and Mars and

for this matter, the other functional malefics for a particular chart IF they

are debilitated and retrograde, consider them to be working in exaltation (like

a workaholic who eventually gets the results).

If Sun is

debilitated, then Venus becomes VERY strong (like Lakshmi). In this case,

consider Mercury’s strength (who debilitates Venus).

Then consider

the naisargika and chara karakas involved as well as their karakatwas. In this

way, you can compartmentalize your assessments.

Love,

Swee

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Surya

Wednesday, October 26, 2005

6:18 PM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] To

all my Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Sorry if i am confusing you. I am not confused.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">If sun is debilitated in Libra? Will it be exalted. If yes

how ?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thank you

12.0pt">Surya

Shalmali

<mail2shalmalip > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">u r confusing urself between malefics benefics concept and debiliation

treat each one seperately see lords friendship with lord u will get what i want

to say.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Shalmali P

Surya

<suryavempati > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">I have a question on your response. In your second point you

mentioned "Malefic in debiliation

acts as exalted"

12.0pt">Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for

Cancer Lagna, you mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in

kendra and debilitated.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Any one can answer this point , please.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaskar.

12.0pt">Surya

12.0pt">

Shalmali

<mail2shalmalip > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Sir,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for

starting a good thread.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies

original behaviour but cant change it.

12.0pt">If u have retro venus in 10th depending

upon lordship , see lordship is very imp in Jyotishi ok it

may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be

less Sarvashtak varga points for these houses.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but

yes rahu , ketu is headless so cant aspect.

12.0pt">Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow

where as ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they

behave like their lord of houses in which they reside.

12.0pt">Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that

is due to Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

12.0pt">Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

12.0pt">Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

12.0pt">many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Best Regards,

12.0pt">Shalu.

12.0pt">(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

12.0pt">

astro learner

<vedic_learner > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Respected Gurujis,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Please clarify the following.

12.0pt">a)

12.0pt">How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please

explain for both

12.0pt">Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own

house, debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">b)

12.0pt">Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any

harm? Please clarify?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it

good or bad.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

12.0pt">give me a source too.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanking you in advance.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Yours sincerely

12.0pt">

12.0pt">S.G.Raajan

12.0pt">

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October 27, 2005

"The placement of badhakesh in the 4th with Sun makes it rather difficult in the

home front where parents are concerned. "

I did not understand badakesh concept in this situation. This is the example I

am using for neecha bhanga / Guru Chandala/Dhana/Parivarthana and other yogas.

Asc - Cancer

2nd - Venus , not combust he is in Leo.3rd - Mars in virgo - Combust is good or

bad.4th - Sun is with Mercury in libra and they are not combust. 5th - house

empty6th - Jupiter -Moolatrikona (9 degrees) / Rahu

7th - house empty

8th - Moon

9th - empty

10th -empty

11th - Saturn ®

12th - Ketu

Do we see astrology based on the moon lagna?

Regards

Surya

Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Assuming that Venus is not combust, it lends some buoyancy to the person’s

health. In the matter of benefits, the luminaries are not well placed.

Interesting to know about the father-mother relationship as you’ve not given

Jupiter’s position. The placement of badhakesh in the 4th with Sun makes it

rather difficult in the home front where parents are concerned.

Ketu has no drishti and is only a malefic if one continues to pursue the material life.

Any reason why you’ve left out Mercury? If it’s in the 3rd, neecha bhanga goes

to the younger sibling who should fare much better than the native, and

likewise, if placed in the 5th, to his children with the proviso of Ketu and

Mars. Delineate for Mars for the 3rd and 4th house.

Saturn’s placement in the 4th from Moon also has a say in the environmental/housing hardships.

Love,

Swee

vedic astrology [vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of SuryaThursday, October 27, 2005 4:28 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] To all my

Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

Thank you Swee G, Namaskar, I got the answer. However there is one more

question based on your point below.

I though SUN is also a natural malefic. You have mentioned RAHU, SATURN and

MARS. I guess you have taken only these in your example. Otherwise we do have

KETU listed as Malefic ?

If Sun is debilitated in Libra and Venus is sitting in LEO for Cancer lagna.

What are the benefits for the person? In this case , SUN is located in 4th

house (vishnu Sthana) and debilitated. So will these person gets Neecha Bhanga

Raja yoga? As the saturn is located in Taurus while the Moon is located in AQ?

Regards

SuryaSwee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Consider the Sun and Moon as luminaries. The natural malefic planets are Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

Sun can never be considered as it NEVER retrogrades. But in the case of Saturn

and Mars and for this matter, the other functional malefics for a particular

chart IF they are debilitated and retrograde, consider them to be working in

exaltation (like a workaholic who eventually gets the results).

If Sun is debilitated, then Venus becomes VERY strong (like Lakshmi). In this

case, consider Mercury’s strength (who debilitates Venus).

Then consider the naisargika and chara karakas involved as well as their

karakatwas. In this way, you can compartmentalize your assessments.

Love,

Swee

vedic astrology [vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of SuryaWednesday, October 26, 2005 6:18 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] To all my

Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

Sorry if i am confusing you. I am not confused.

If sun is debilitated in Libra? Will it be exalted. If yes how ?

Thank you

SuryaShalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

u r confusing urself between malefics benefics concept and debiliation treat

each one seperately see lords friendship with lord u will get what i want to

say.

Shalmali PSurya <suryavempati > wrote:

I have a question on your response. In your second point you mentioned "Malefic

in debiliation acts as exalted"

Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for Cancer Lagna, you

mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in kendra and

debilitated.

Any one can answer this point , please.

Namaskar.

Surya

Shalmali <mail2shalmalip > wrote:

Dear Sir,

I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for starting a good thread.

See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

If u have retro venus in 10th depending upon lordship , see lordship is very imp

in Jyotishi ok it may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be less Sarvashtak

varga points for these houses.

4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but yes rahu ,

ketu is headless so cant aspect.

Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow where as

ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they behave like

their lord of houses in which they reside.

Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that is due to

Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

Best Regards,

Shalu.

(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

astro learner <vedic_learner > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Please clarify the following.

a)

How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please explain for both

Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

b)

Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any harm? Please clarify?

c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it good or bad.

d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

give me a source too.

Thanking you in advance.

Yours sincerely

S.G.Raajan

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October 27, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

If your stand

point is to look at Rajayoga, your trinal lord Mars is combust and Ketu is

debilitated. As for Guru chandala yoga, look at the separative degrees between

the two; Ju and Rahu. Rahu in this case is debilitated, hence I do not see a

problem there.

As for

delineating from Moon, do this only if it is the strongest. A bad placement

lagna lord is just that and deb. Sun neecha or not is not conducive of RY

besides a combust planet. Guru seems the only saviour here, so do propitiate

Guru.

Love,

Swee

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Surya

Thursday, October 27, 2005

2:29 PM

vedic astrology

RE: [vedic astrology] To

all my Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Swee G, Namaskar,

12.0pt">

"The placement of badhakesh in the 4th

with Sun makes it rather difficult in the home front where parents are

concerned. "

Arial;color:blue">I did not understand badakesh concept in this

situation. This is the example I am using for neecha bhanga / Guru

Chandala/Dhana/Parivarthana and other yogas.

Arial;color:blue">

Asc - Cancer

Arial;color:blue">2nd - Venus , not combust he is in Leo.

3rd - Mars in virgo - Combust is good or bad.

4th - Sun is with Mercury in libra and they are not combust.

5th - house empty

6th - Jupiter -Moolatrikona (9 degrees) / Rahu

Arial;color:blue">7th - house empty

Arial;color:blue">8th - Moon

Arial;color:blue">9th - empty

Arial;color:blue">10th -empty

Arial;color:blue">11th - Saturn ®

Arial;color:blue">12th - Ketu

12.0pt">Do we see astrology based on the moon lagna?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards

12.0pt">Surya

Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Assuming that

Venus is not combust, it lends some buoyancy to the person’s health. In

the matter of benefits, the luminaries are not well placed.

Interesting

to know about the father-mother relationship as you’ve not given

Jupiter’s position. The placement of badhakesh in the 4th with

Sun makes it rather difficult in the home front where parents are concerned.

Ketu has no

drishti and is only a malefic if one continues to pursue the material life.

Any reason

why you’ve left out Mercury? If it’s in the 3rd, neecha

bhanga goes to the younger sibling who should fare much better than the native,

and likewise, if placed in the 5th, to his children with the proviso

of Ketu and Mars. Delineate for Mars for the 3rd and 4th

house.

Saturn’s

placement in the 4th from Moon also has a say in the

environmental/housing hardships.

Love,

Swee

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology

[vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of Surya

Thursday, October 27, 2005

4:28 AM

vedic astrology

RE: [vedic astrology] To

all my Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thank you Swee G, Namaskar, I got the answer. However there

is one more question based on your point below.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I though SUN is also a natural malefic. You have mentioned RAHU,

SATURN and MARS. I guess you have taken only these in your example.

Otherwise we do have KETU listed as Malefic ?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">If Sun is debilitated in Libra and Venus is sitting in LEO for Cancer

lagna. What are the benefits for the person? In this

case , SUN is located in 4th house (vishnu Sthana) and debilitated. So

will these person gets Neecha Bhanga Raja yoga? As the saturn is located

in Taurus while the Moon is located in AQ?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards

12.0pt">Surya

Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm>

wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Surya,

Namaste

Consider the

Sun and Moon as luminaries. The natural malefic planets are Rahu, Saturn and

Mars.

Sun can never

be considered as it NEVER retrogrades. But in the case of Saturn and Mars and

for this matter, the other functional malefics for a particular chart IF they

are debilitated and retrograde, consider them to be working in exaltation (like

a workaholic who eventually gets the results).

If Sun is

debilitated, then Venus becomes VERY strong (like Lakshmi). In this case,

consider Mercury’s strength (who debilitates Venus).

Then consider

the naisargika and chara karakas involved as well as their karakatwas. In this

way, you can compartmentalize your assessments.

Love,

Swee

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology

[vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of Surya

Wednesday, October 26, 2005

6:18 PM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] To

all my Gurus..pls clarify my basic doubts.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Sorry if i am confusing you. I am not confused.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">If sun is debilitated in Libra? Will it be exalted. If yes

how ?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thank you

12.0pt">Surya

Shalmali

<mail2shalmalip > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">u r confusing urself between malefics benefics concept and debiliation

treat each one seperately see lords friendship with lord u will get what i want

to say.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Shalmali P

Surya

<suryavempati > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">I have a question on your response. In your second point you

mentioned "Malefic in debiliation

acts as exalted"

12.0pt">Based on the above point, if sun is debilitated in Libra for

Cancer Lagna, you mean it is exalted ? Sun is a Natural Malefic, it is in

kendra and debilitated.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Any one can answer this point , please.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaskar.

12.0pt">Surya

12.0pt">

Shalmali

<mail2shalmalip > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Sir,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I will try to answer some of your doubts and thank s to you for

starting a good thread.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">See Retrogession of any Planet whether Benefic / Malefic modifies original

behaviour but cant change it.

12.0pt">If u have retro venus in 10th depending

upon lordship , see lordship is very imp in Jyotishi ok it

may prodce some tension in its dasha bhuktis.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">2.Malefic in debiliation acts as exalted.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">3.Generally malefics in these houses are good and so should be

less Sarvashtak varga points for these houses.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">4.Sir dont use Raghu its Rahu and ketu , Ketu doesnot have aspect but

yes rahu , ketu is headless so cant aspect.

12.0pt">Rahu and ketu are very imp , Rahu represents one mind external flow

where as ketu represents internal flow , these being imaginary points , they

behave like their lord of houses in which they reside.

12.0pt">Planets do dteremine profession also now adays u see programmers that

is due to Rahu only he is very inquisitive.

12.0pt">Ketu also represents petty quarrels.

12.0pt">Rahu is exalted in gemini and Ketu in Scorpio.

12.0pt">many more things on Rahu , ketu are their.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hope i have provide not that good but atleast some satisfactory answer.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Best Regards,

12.0pt">Shalu.

12.0pt">(Shalmali Pethe)

Bombay.

12.0pt">

astro learner

<vedic_learner > wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Respected Gurujis,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Please clarify the following.

12.0pt">a)

12.0pt">How to treat a planet when its condition is Retrograde ......Please

explain for both

12.0pt">Malefic and Benefic........how to mean it when it occupy in its own house,

debilitation,moolathrikona.....?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">b)

12.0pt">Is it right that when Malefic is debilitated ..it will not give any

harm? Please clarify?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">c) How to understand when malafic occupy houses like 6, 8 and 12. Is it

good or bad.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">d) Raghu and ketu being an intersecting points.........do they have any

aspects.? If yes please

12.0pt">give me a source too.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanking you in advance.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Yours sincerely

12.0pt">

12.0pt">S.G.Raajan

12.0pt">

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October 27, 2005

Let this thread continue i am not interrupting but it is something which i cant ressit so writing

" Do we see astrology based on the moon lagna? " obviously yes what about

sunapha and anapha yoga we see these from moon lagna only however dont forget

that moon lagna means the body and ascendant means principle of life.

more weitage is given to ascendant and not to moon lagna it is ascedant and

varga charts that makes each and every body "different".

Shalmali Pethe.

Surya <suryavempati > wrote:

Swee G, Namaskar,