Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology

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Namaskar Shri Bharatji,

You say:

"Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should not

> be used. My contention is whether or not Ayanamsha

is used,astrology is Vedic and Hindu".

 

My answer is

When there is no predictive astrology in the Vedas,

the question of advocating nirayana or sayana does not

arise at all! Since I am not a professional

astrologer myself, I do not have any axe to grind in

asking anybody to follow a particular ayanamsha! All I

am saying is that in the Vedas there are no Rashis but

a seasonal year has been referred to times without

number. Thus when there is no sidereal year in the

Vedas, how can there be any so called nirayana

rashichakra! It has nothing to do with predictive

astrology, but everything with the timings of rituals.

Obviously, we are not only not following the Vedas

by subscribing to predictive astrogly but even

insulting them by subscribing to a so called non

existent nirayana rashichakra!

 

If someone calls himself a Vedic Hindu and knows the

Vedas actually, he would certainly not to

predictive astrology since there are no Rasis in the

Vedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotihs

nor Paitamaha sidhanta or Paulisha or Romaka Sidhanta

either! If in spite of such facts some one insists to

call himself or herself a "Vedic astrologer" it means

that he/she does not know even ABC of the Vedas!

 

In his post, Mr. Sreenath also had clarified that it

had been proved by Avtar Krishen Kaul in his ephemeris

that there is absolutely no astrology in the Vedas and

it is therefore wrong to call any predictive system as

Vedic astrology. Thus when there is no astrology in

the Vedas even as per Mr. Sreenath, to argue whether

"Vedic astrology" is nirayana or sayana is meaningless

and futile!

 

"Vedanga Jyotisha" of Lagadha has clarified that

Jyotish is meant to decide the timings of rituals (and

not to decipher the future of every Tom, Dick and Hary

through predictive gimmicks). The same statement has

been reiterated by Bhaskaracharya in his Sidhanta

Shiromani. If someone calls Vedanga Jyotish a tool

for predictions in spite of these admonishments from

our shastras, it is his/her sweet will!

 

How useful and helpful predictive astrology can be is

evident from just the following few "incidents":

1. Dr. B. V. Raman, supposed to be the "Greatest Vedic

astrologer of the Twentieth century" had planned

astrolo8ically to deliver a lecture on "Astrology as

an aid to Medical Sciences" at Hyderabad on January 2,

1999. However, he passed away on December 20, 1998,

fourteen days prior to delivering the "astroligically

planned lecture".

2. Kunji Lal, the by-now-famous Jyotishis of Betul had

planned astrologically to shed of his mortal coil on

October 18, 2005, and it had been "okayed" by a doyen

among "Vedic astrolgers" viz. Mr. K. N. Rao! All that

happened was that it gained some more bad publicity

for the already infamous "Vedic astrology".

3.Poor BJP had preponed last General Elections by

several months on the "sane advice" of "Minsters of

Vedic astrology". The result was that it had to

vaccate the seats of power before time, thanks to

"Vedic astrology" and "Vedic astrologers".

 

That much for "Vedic astrology" being helpful!

 

On the one hand you say:

" Having said this, this is my last post on the

> subject as it appears

> to me as if these people are trying to promote Arya

> Samaj over" and simultaneously, you complain

"

> "Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply

> starts a new thread".

 

I do not know how you expect me to reply to your posts

if you close the chapter unilaterlly without resolving

the issue! Secondly, I am not an Arya Samaji but a

stauch follwer of Sanatana Dharma for whom Pauranic

injunctions are as valid and sacred as the Vedic ones.

It is only in the light of those very Vedas and

Puranas that I am keeping the facts before you and

other members of this forum. There is not even a

single word contrary to the injunctions of the Vedas

in my psotings. On the other hand, by advociating a

non-existent "Vedic astrology" the "Vedic astrologers"

are doing the maximum harm to the real spirit of the

Vedas!

Dhanyavad.

Mohan Jyotishi

> -

> Bharat Hindu Astrology

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:27 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Nothing Vedic

> or even Hindu about

> "Vedic astrology"!

>

>

> Namaskaar Annu

>

> Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply

> starts a new

> thread. This is his modus operandi. To those who

> come in late, think

> that it is a new discussion. First it was Sri Avtar

> Kishen Kaul and

> now him. They take turns in sending such emails.

>

> Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should not

> be used. My

> contention is whether or not Ayanamsha is used,

> astrology is Vedic and

> Hindu. For me to be hindu, the word Hindu need not

> be contained in the

> Vedas. For me to be Vedic, I need to have adopted

> the Veda. I am Vedic

> (Hindu is a given name and therefore should not be

> used). The

> Astrology follows the Veda. Here is the article that

> I gave earlier

> for your benefit is again given. This is also for

> those who talk about

> science and are in least scientific.

>

> Having read the article, below why should I not

> call astrology

> Vedic. It is my custom, tradition and it is resonant

> with the Veda.

> Who is Sri Mohan or Sri Kaul to stop me or anyone

> from calling it

> Vedic? The self promoters of what should or should

> not be called Vedic?

>

> Having said this, this is my last post on the

> subject as it appears

> to me as if these people are trying to promote Arya

> Samaj over

> Sanatana Dharma, etc... I am party to neither. I

> study Veda and

> Jyotish only to help further my understanding and

> not in any power

> struggle.

>

> To believe in something or not to believe in

> something without

> adequate know-how is superstition. Please read

> below:

>

>

> YOTISH : THE SCIENCE OF LIGHT

> Jyotish is the science of light. The word "Jyoti"

> means light.

> Jyotish is known by the names: "Vedic Astrology",

> "Hindu Astrology"

> or "Indian Astrology".

>

>

>

> Jyotish is the science of light and light is a

> form of energy. Light

> carries the information of events with it. When

> mind registers the

> light through the eyes, the event becomes evident to

> us. In other

> words, light is one of the main factors that make

> the time continuum

> possible. It brings certain continuity between

> events as it carries

> vital information from one event and enables its

> effects.

>

> Let us use an example. If a friend, who is sitting

> next to you, is

> suddenly sick, and this information is arrested by

> arresting the

> energy that carries this information, then, you

> would not realize that

> your friend is sick. Imagine something that arrests

> both the light and

> sound that it cannot reach you. In such a case, the

> effect of his

> cries for help will not be there on you. Whereas,

> the moment you get

> this information, you will act. It is safe to

> presume that light

> carries information and enables cause and effect.

> Here light should be

> understood as energy.

>

> Cause and effect enables time. Time is defined as

> the interval

> between two events. If events do not exist, then,

> time cannot exist.

> In our deep sleep (dreamless sleep) we get a glimpse

> of no-time

> situation.

>

> The ancient seers of India recognized these facts

> and employed them

> beautifully into a subject of Jyotish. Jyotish

> Astrology takes its

> subject matter from the very basis of space and time

> and it does not

> lack in its scientific approach.

>

>

>

> JYOTISH AS A VEDANGA

> Vedanga refers to those bodies of knowledge that

> are the "limbs" to

> the Vedas. In other words, it aids in understanding

> of the Vedas.

>

> It would be important to understand what Vedas

> are. The word "Veda"

> means knowledge. Vedas contain aphorisms to

> understand the true

> identity of ourselves. Many people think Vedas are

> part of Hindu

> Religion. It would correct to say that Hindu

> Religion has adopted

> itself from the Vedas. Vedas are universal and came

> before the word

> "Hindu" came into being.

>

> Jyotish is an Vedanga and in its approach it

> follows the Vedic

> teaching. Jyotish cannot go against the Vedas in its

> teaching or

> analysis.

>

> Jyotish follows the principle of freedom of

> choice. It gives

> individuals the right to choose in any given

> situation. The choices

> always available to an individual in any given

> situation of life are:

>

>

>

> 1. To react (anger, jealousy, envy, fear, fight,

> arrogance, likes,

> dislikes, etc.)

>

> 2. To pro act (do one's action as required by the

> call of duty,

> without involving oneself in the above reactions).

>

> 3. Remain calm without any action (Realizing the

> results are given

> by the lord, and accepting them without any

> reaction)

>

>

>

> The 2nd choice has all the elements of the 3rd

> choice. Jyotish as a

> subject, never undermines these choices. With these

> choices, one can

> change one's future. With the first choice, one can

> enhance the

> difficulties in one's destiny and with, the second

> and third choice,

> one can enhance the quality of destiny in happiness

> and success. Each

> time you make the 2nd or 3rd choice, you weaken the

> reactions within

> yourself. Over a period of time, you stop reacting

> at all. Jyotish

> understands this principle and employs it.

>

> Jyotish never promises a pre destined life.

> Mother, father, brother,

> sister may be predestined but not your future. Your

> future depends

> upon the choices.

>

>

>

> JYOTISH AND ITS ABILITY TO FORESEE THE FUTURE

> Most people in the world, neither study the Vedas

> nor

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[Guest guest]

"If someone calls himself a Vedic Hindu and knows the

Vedas actually, he would certainly not to

predictive astrology since there are no Rasis in the

Vedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotihs

nor Paitamaha sidhanta or Paulisha or Romaka Sidhanta

either! If in spite of such facts some one insists to

call himself or herself a "Vedic astrologer" it means

that he/she does not know even ABC of the Vedas!"

Your facts and fictions are limited by so many assumptions that it is

simply futile to discuss anything with you. Again, who are you to pass

a judgment whether or not someone has understanding of the Veda or not?

Are you the dwaarpal of what is Vedic and what is not. I certainly

can't discuss matters with people who "think from their knees".

1. Dr. B. V. Raman, supposed to be the "Greatest Vedic

astrologer of the Twentieth century" had planned

astrolo8ically to deliver a lecture on "Astrology as

an aid to Medical Sciences" at Hyderabad on January 2,

1999. However, he passed away on December 20, 1998,

fourteen days prior to delivering the "astroligically

planned lecture".

By making this statment you have proven that you know nothing about astrology or

about the man or about both.

2. Kunji Lal, the by-now-famous Jyotishis of Betul had

planned astrologically to shed of his mortal coil on

October 18, 2005, and it had been "okayed" by a doyen

among "Vedic astrolgers" viz. Mr. K. N. Rao! All that

happened was that it gained some more bad publicity

for the already infamous "Vedic astrology".

Good for your "cause"!

3.Poor BJP had preponed last General Elections by

several months on the "sane advice" of "Minsters of

Vedic astrology". The result was that it had to

vaccate the seats of power before time, thanks to

"Vedic astrology" and "Vedic astrologers".

Oh! So they would have won, if Sh Mohan Jyotishi would have been consulted.

Three instances, which we have no proof of being true or false,

have been given to prove that the entire gambit of Vedic Astrology is

false. As per your absolutely useless logic, all doctors should be

banned from practising medicine :

1. As some make wrong judgments which seldom results in death.

2. As some advise to others that many a times causes more complications

3. They cannot save themselves from death!!

Prabhu, if I discuss anything further with you, I would be foolish.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 10/26/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 > wrote:

Namaskar Shri Bharatji,

You say:

"Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should not

> be used. My contention is whether or not Ayanamsha

is used,astrology is Vedic and Hindu".

My answer is

When there is no predictive astrology in the Vedas,

the question of advocating nirayana or sayana does not

arise at all! Since I am not a professional

astrologer myself, I do not have any axe to grind in

asking anybody to follow a particular ayanamsha! All I

am saying is that in the Vedas there are no Rashis but

a seasonal year has been referred to times without

number. Thus when there is no sidereal year in the

Vedas, how can there be any so called nirayana

rashichakra! It has nothing to do with predictive

astrology, but everything with the timings of rituals.

Obviously, we are not only not following the Vedas

by subscribing to predictive astrogly but even

insulting them by subscribing to a so called non

existent nirayana rashichakra!

If someone calls himself a Vedic Hindu and knows the

Vedas actually, he would certainly not to

predictive astrology since there are no Rasis in the

Vedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotihs

nor Paitamaha sidhanta or Paulisha or Romaka Sidhanta

either! If in spite of such facts some one insists to

call himself or herself a "Vedic astrologer" it means

that he/she does not know even ABC of the Vedas!

In his post, Mr. Sreenath also had clarified that it

had been proved by Avtar Krishen Kaul in his ephemeris

that there is absolutely no astrology in the Vedas and

it is therefore wrong to call any predictive system as

Vedic astrology. Thus when there is no astrology in

the Vedas even as per Mr. Sreenath, to argue whether

"Vedic astrology" is nirayana or sayana is meaningless

and futile!

"Vedanga Jyotisha" of Lagadha has clarified that

Jyotish is meant to decide the timings of rituals (and

not to decipher the future of every Tom, Dick and Hary

through predictive gimmicks). The same statement has

been reiterated by Bhaskaracharya in his Sidhanta

Shiromani. If someone calls Vedanga Jyotish a tool

for predictions in spite of these admonishments from

our shastras, it is his/her sweet will!

How useful and helpful predictive astrology can be is

evident from just the following few "incidents":

1. Dr. B. V. Raman, supposed to be the "Greatest Vedic

astrologer of the Twentieth century" had planned

astrolo8ically to deliver a lecture on "Astrology as

an aid to Medical Sciences" at Hyderabad on January 2,

1999. However, he passed away on December 20, 1998,

fourteen days prior to delivering the "astroligically

planned lecture".

2. Kunji Lal, the by-now-famous Jyotishis of Betul had

planned astrologically to shed of his mortal coil on

October 18, 2005, and it had been "okayed" by a doyen

among "Vedic astrolgers" viz. Mr. K. N. Rao! All that

happened was that it gained some more bad publicity

for the already infamous "Vedic astrology".

3.Poor BJP had preponed last General Elections by

several months on the "sane advice" of "Minsters of

Vedic astrology". The result was that it had to

vaccate the seats of power before time, thanks to

"Vedic astrology" and "Vedic astrologers".

That much for "Vedic astrology" being helpful!

On the one hand you say:

" Having said this, this is my last post on the

> subject as it appears

> to me as if these people are trying to promote Arya

> Samaj over" and simultaneously, you complain

"

> "Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply

> starts a new thread".

I do not know how you expect me to reply to your posts

if you close the chapter unilaterlly without resolving

the issue! Secondly, I am not an Arya Samaji but a

stauch follwer of Sanatana Dharma for whom Pauranic

injunctions are as valid and sacred as the Vedic ones.

It is only in the light of those very Vedas and

Puranas that I am keeping the facts before you and

other members of this forum. There is not even a

single word contrary to the injunctions of the Vedas

in my psotings. On the other hand, by advociating a

non-existent "Vedic astrology" the "Vedic astrologers"

are doing the maximum harm to the real spirit of the

Vedas!

Dhanyavad.

Mohan Jyotishi

> -

> Bharat Hindu Astrology

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:27 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Nothing Vedic

> or even Hindu about

> "Vedic astrology"!

>

>

> Namaskaar Annu

>

> Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply

> starts a new

> thread. This is his modus operandi. To those who

> come in late, think

> that it is a new discussion. First it was Sri Avtar

> Kishen Kaul and

> now him. They take turns in sending such emails.

>

> Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should not

> be used. My

> contention is whether or not Ayanamsha is used,

> astrology is Vedic and

> Hindu. For me to be hindu, the word Hindu need not

> be contained in the

> Vedas. For me to be Vedic, I need to have adopted

> the Veda. I am Vedic

> (Hindu is a given name and therefore should not be

> used). The

> Astrology follows the Veda. Here is the article that

> I gave earlier

> for your benefit is again given. This is also for

> those who talk about

> science and are in least scientific.

>

> Having read the article, below why should I not

> call astrology

> Vedic. It is my custom, tradition and it is resonant

> with the Veda.

> Who is Sri Mohan or Sri Kaul to stop me or anyone

> from calling it

> Vedic? The self promoters of what should or should

> not be called Vedic?

>

> Having said this, this is my last post on the

> subject as it appears

> to me as if these people are trying to promote Arya

> Samaj over

> Sanatana Dharma, etc... I am party to neither. I

> study Veda and

> Jyotish only to help further my understanding and

> not in any power

> struggle.

>

> To believe in something or not to believe in

> something without

> adequate know-how is superstition. Please read

> below:

>

>

> YOTISH : THE SCIENCE OF LIGHT

> Jyotish is the science of light. The word "Jyoti"

> means light.

> Jyotish is known by the names: "Vedic Astrology",

> "Hindu Astrology"

> or "Indian Astrology".

>

>

>

> Jyotish is the science of light and light is a

> form of energy. Light

> carries the information of events with it. When

> mind registers the

> light through the eyes, the event becomes evident to

> us. In other

> words, light is one of the main factors that make

> the time continuum

> possible. It brings certain continuity between

> events as it carries

> vital information from one event and enables its

> effects.

>

> Let us use an example. If a friend, who is sitting

> next to you, is

> suddenly sick, and this information is arrested by

> arresting the

> energy that carries this information, then, you

> would not realize that

> your friend is sick. Imagine something that arrests

> both the light and

> sound that it cannot reach you. In such a case, the

> effect of his

> cries for help will not be there on you. Whereas,

> the moment you get

> this information, you will act. It is safe to

> presume that light

> carries information and enables cause and effect.

> Here light should be

> understood as energy.

>

> Cause and effect enables time. Time is defined as

> the interval

> between two events. If events do not exist, then,

> time cannot exist.

> In our deep sleep (dreamless sleep) we get a glimpse

> of no-time

> situation.

>

> The ancient seers of India recognized these facts

> and employed them

> beautifully into a subject of Jyotish. Jyotish

> Astrology takes its

> subject matter from the very basis of space and time

> and it does not

> lack in its scientific approach.

>

>

>

> JYOTISH AS A VEDANGA

> Vedanga refers to those bodies of knowledge that

> are the "limbs" to

> the Vedas. In other words, it aids in understanding

> of the Vedas.

>

> It would be important to understand what Vedas

> are. The word "Veda"

> means knowledge. Vedas contain aphorisms to

> understand the true

> identity of ourselves. Many people think Vedas are

> part of Hindu

> Religion. It would correct to say that Hindu

> Religion has adopted

> itself from the Vedas. Vedas are universal and came

> before the word

> "Hindu" came into being.

>

> Jyotish is an Vedanga and in its approach it

> follows the Vedic

> teaching. Jyotish cannot go against the Vedas in its

> teaching or

> analysis.

>

> Jyotish follows the principle of freedom of

> choice. It gives

> individuals the right to choose in any given

> situation. The choices

> always available to an individual in any given

> situation of life are:

>

>

>

> 1. To react (anger, jealousy, envy, fear, fight,

> arrogance, likes,

> dislikes, etc.)

>

> 2. To pro act (do one's action as required by the

> call of duty,

> without involving oneself in the above reactions).

>

> 3. Remain calm without any action (Realizing the

> results are given

> by the lord, and accepting them without any

> reaction)

>

>

>

> The 2nd choice has all the elements of the 3rd

> choice. Jyotish as a

> subject, never undermines these choices. With these

> choices, one can

> change one's future. With the first choice, one can

> enhance the

> difficulties in one's destiny and with, the second

> and third choice,

> one can enhance the quality of destiny in happiness

> and success. Each

> time you make the 2nd or 3rd choice, you weaken the

> reactions within

> yourself. Over a period of time, you stop reacting

> at all. Jyotish

> understands this principle and employs it.

>

> Jyotish never promises a pre destined life.

> Mother, father, brother,

> sister may be predestined but not your future. Your

> future depends

> upon the choices.

>

>

>

> JYOTISH AND ITS ABILITY TO FORESEE THE FUTURE

> Most people in the world, neither study the Vedas

> nor

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03:32:11 -0700 (PDT)Namaskaar Sri Mohan"If someone calls himself a Vedic Hindu

and knows theVedas actually, he would certainly not topredictive

astrology since there are no Rasis in theVedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisha or

Atharva Jyotihsnor Paitamaha sidhanta or Paulisha or Romaka Sidhantaeither! If

in spite of such facts some one insists tocall himself or herself a "Vedic

astrologer" it meansthat he/she does not know even ABC of the Vedas!"Your facts

and fictions are limited by so many assumptions that it is simply futile to

discuss anything with you. Again, who are you to pass a judgment whether or not

someone has understanding of the Veda or not? Are you the dwaarpal of what is

Vedic and what is not. I certainly can't discuss matters with people who "think

from their knees".1. Dr. B. V. Raman, supposed to be the "Greatest

Vedicastrologer of the Twentieth century" had plannedastrolo8ically to deliver

a lecture on "Astrology asan aid to Medical Sciences" at Hyderabad on January

2,1999. However, he passed away on December 20, 1998,fourteen days prior to

delivering the "astroligicallyplanned lecture".By making this statment you have

proven that you know nothing about astrology or about the man or about both. 2.

Kunji Lal, the by-now-famous Jyotishis of Betul hadplanned astrologically to

shed of his mortal coil onOctober 18, 2005, and it had been "okayed" by a

doyenamong "Vedic astrolgers" viz. Mr. K. N. Rao! All thathappened was that it

gained some more bad publicityfor the already infamous "Vedic astrology".Good

for your "cause"!3.Poor BJP had preponed last General Elections byseveral

months on the "sane advice" of "Minsters ofVedic astrology". The result was

that it had tovaccate the seats of power before time, thanks to"Vedic

astrology" and "Vedic astrologers".Oh! So they would have won, if Sh Mohan

Jyotishi would have been consulted. Three instances, which we have no proof of

being true or false, have been given to prove that the entire gambit of Vedic

Astrology is false. As per your absolutely useless logic, all doctors should be

banned from practising medicine :1. As some make wrong judgments which seldom

results in death.2. As some advise to others that many a times causes more

complications 3. They cannot save themselves from death!!Prabhu, if I discuss

anything further with you, I would be foolish. Thanks and RegardsBharat

On 10/26/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 > wrote:

Namaskar Shri Bharatji,You say:"Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should

not> be used. My contention is whether or not Ayanamshais used,astrology is

Vedic and Hindu". My answer isWhen there is no predictive astrology in the

Vedas,the question of advocating nirayana or sayana does notarise at all!

Since I am not a professionalastrologer myself, I do not have any axe to grind

inasking anybody to follow a particular ayanamsha! All Iam saying is that in

the Vedas there are no Rashis buta seasonal year has been referred to times

withoutnumber. Thus when there is no sidereal year in theVedas, how can there

be any so called nirayanarashichakra! It has nothing to do with

predictiveastrology, but everything with the timings of rituals. Obviously, we

are not only not following the Vedasby subscribing to predictive astrogly but

eveninsulting them by subscribing to a so called nonexistent nirayana

rashichakra! If someone calls himself a Vedic Hindu and knows theVedas

actually, he would certainly not topredictive astrology since there

are no Rasis in theVedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotihsnor

Paitamaha sidhanta or Paulisha or Romaka Sidhantaeither! If in spite of such

facts some one insists tocall himself or herself a "Vedic astrologer" it

meansthat he/she does not know even ABC of the Vedas! In his post, Mr. Sreenath

also had clarified that ithad been proved by Avtar Krishen Kaul in his

ephemeristhat there is absolutely no astrology in the Vedas andit is therefore

wrong to call any predictive system asVedic astrology. Thus when there is no

astrology inthe Vedas even as per Mr. Sreenath, to argue whether"Vedic

astrology" is nirayana or sayana is meaninglessand futile! "Vedanga Jyotisha"

of Lagadha has clarified thatJyotish is meant to decide the timings of rituals

(andnot to decipher the future of every Tom, Dick and Harythrough predictive

gimmicks). The same statement hasbeen reiterated by Bhaskaracharya in his

SidhantaShiromani. If someone calls Vedanga Jyotish a toolfor predictions in

spite of these admonishments fromour shastras, it is his/her sweet will!How

useful and helpful predictive astrology can be isevident from just the

following few "incidents":1. Dr. B. V. Raman, supposed to be the "Greatest

Vedicastrologer of the Twentieth century" had plannedastrolo8ically to deliver

a lecture on "Astrology asan aid to Medical Sciences" at Hyderabad on January

2,1999. However, he passed away on December 20, 1998,fourteen days prior to

delivering the "astroligicallyplanned lecture".2. Kunji Lal, the by-now-famous

Jyotishis of Betul hadplanned astrologically to shed of his mortal coil

onOctober 18, 2005, and it had been "okayed" by a doyenamong "Vedic astrolgers"

viz. Mr. K. N. Rao! All thathappened was that it gained some more bad

publicityfor the already infamous "Vedic astrology".3.Poor BJP had preponed

last General Elections byseveral months on the "sane advice" of "Minsters

ofVedic astrology". The result was that it had tovaccate the seats of power

before time, thanks to"Vedic astrology" and "Vedic astrologers".That much for

"Vedic astrology" being helpful!On the one hand you say:" Having said this,

this is my last post on the> subject as it appears> to me as if these people

are trying to promote Arya> Samaj over" and simultaneously, you complain ">

"Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply> starts a new thread".I do

not know how you expect me to reply to your postsif you close the chapter

unilaterlly without resolvingthe issue! Secondly, I am not an Arya Samaji but

astauch follwer of Sanatana Dharma for whom Pauranicinjunctions are as valid

and sacred as the Vedic ones.It is only in the light of those very Vedas

andPuranas that I am keeping the facts before you andother members of this

forum. There is not even asingle word contrary to the injunctions of the

Vedasin my psotings. On the other hand, by advociating anon-existent "Vedic

astrology" the "Vedic astrologers"are doing the maximum harm to the real spirit

of theVedas!Dhanyavad.Mohan Jyotishi> ->

Bharat Hindu Astrology> vedic astrology> Sent:

Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:27 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Nothing Vedic> or even Hindu about> "Vedic astrology"!> > > Namaskaar Annu> >

Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply> starts a new> thread. This

is his modus operandi. To those who> come in late, think> that it is a new

discussion. First it was Sri Avtar> Kishen Kaul and> now him. They take turns

in sending such emails.> > Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should

not> be used. My> contention is whether or not Ayanamsha is used,> astrology is

Vedic and> Hindu. For me to be hindu, the word Hindu need not> be contained in

the> Vedas. For me to be Vedic, I need to have adopted> the Veda. I am Vedic>

(Hindu is a given name and therefore should not be> used). The> Astrology

follows the Veda. Here is the article that> I gave earlier> for your benefit is

again given. This is also for> those who talk about> science and are in least

scientific.> > Having read the article, below why should I not> call

astrology> Vedic. It is my custom, tradition and it is resonant> with the

Veda.> Who is Sri Mohan or Sri Kaul to stop me or anyone> from calling it>

Vedic? The self promoters of what should or should> not be called Vedic?> >

Having said this, this is my last post on the> subject as it appears> to me as

if these people are trying to promote Arya> Samaj over> Sanatana Dharma, etc...

I am party to neither. I> study Veda and> Jyotish only to help further my

understanding and> not in any power> struggle.> > To believe in something or

not to believe in> something without> adequate know-how is superstition. Please

read> below:> > > YOTISH : THE SCIENCE OF LIGHT> Jyotish is the science of

light. The word "Jyoti"> means light.> Jyotish is known by the names: "Vedic

Astrology", > "Hindu Astrology"> or "Indian Astrology".> > > > Jyotish is the

science of light and light is a> form of energy. Light> carries the information

of events with it. When> mind registers the> light through the eyes, the event

becomes evident to> us. In other> words, light is one of the main factors that

make> the time continuum> possible. It brings certain continuity between>

events as it carries> vital information from one event and enables its>

effects.> > Let us use an example. If a friend, who is sitting> next to you,

is> suddenly sick, and this information is arrested by> arresting the> energy

that carries this information, then, you> would not realize that> your friend

is sick. Imagine something that arrests> both the light and> sound that it

cannot reach you. In such a case, the> effect of his> cries for help will not

be there on you. Whereas,> the moment you get> this information, you will act.

It is safe to> presume that light> carries information and enables cause and

effect.> Here light should be> understood as energy.> > Cause and effect

enables time. Time is defined as> the interval> between two events. If events

do not exist, then, > time cannot exist.> In our deep sleep (dreamless sleep)

we get a glimpse> of no-time> situation.> > The ancient seers of India

recognized these facts> and employed them> beautifully into a subject of

Jyotish. Jyotish > Astrology takes its> subject matter from the very basis of

space and time> and it does not> lack in its scientific approach.> > > >

JYOTISH AS A VEDANGA> Vedanga refers to those bodies of knowledge that> are

the "limbs" to> the Vedas. In other words, it aids in understanding> of the

Vedas.> > It would be important to understand what Vedas> are. The word

"Veda"> means knowledge. Vedas contain aphorisms to> understand the true>

identity of ourselves. Many people think Vedas are> part of Hindu> Religion. It

would correct to say that Hindu> Religion has adopted> itself from the Vedas.

Vedas are universal and came> before the word> "Hindu" came into being.> >

Jyotish is an Vedanga and in its approach it> follows the Vedic> teaching.

Jyotish cannot go against the Vedas in its> teaching or> analysis.> > Jyotish

follows the principle of freedom of> choice. It gives> individuals the right to

choose in any given> situation. The choices> always available to an individual

in any given> situation of life are:> > > > 1. To react (anger, jealousy,

envy, fear, fight,> arrogance, likes,> dislikes, etc.)> > 2. To pro act (do

one's action as required by the> call of duty,> without involving oneself in

the above reactions).> > 3. Remain calm without any action (Realizing the>

results are given> by the lord, and accepting them without any> reaction)> > >

> The 2nd choice has all the elements of the 3rd> choice. Jyotish as a>

subject, never undermines these choices. With these> choices, one can> change

one's future. With the first choice, one can> enhance the> difficulties in

one's destiny and with, the second> and third choice,> one can enhance the

quality of destiny in happiness> and success. Each> time you make the 2nd or

3rd choice, you weaken the> reactions within> yourself. Over a period of time,

you stop reacting> at all. Jyotish> understands this principle and employs it.>

> Jyotish never promises a pre destined life.> Mother, father, brother,>

sister may be predestined but not your future. Your> future depends> upon the

choices.> > > > JYOTISH AND ITS ABILITY TO FORESEE THE FUTURE> Most people

in the world, neither study the Vedas> nor === message truncated ===

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