Rasi and div charts (Satish)

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Dear Satish,

 

> Do you have tithis in trasformed spaces as well ? So a> almost full chandra

becomes a amavasya chandra, or a> day birth becomes a night birth in trasfromed

space ?

 

Why not?

 

However, we are not sure of what to use them for.

 

In the case of divisional charts themselves, we know what to use them for. For

example, Parasara clearly advised to see spouses "in" navamsa (D-9), siblings

"in" drekkana (D-3), children and grandchildren "in" saptamsa (D-7), parents

and grandparents "in" dwadasamsa (D-12), education in chaturvimsamsa (D-24) and

so on. So, we can use those charts. There is a clear guideline from Parasara on

what to see "in" each divisional chart.

 

But, we were not taught the significance of tithi based on the divisional chart

placements of Sun and Moon. It must have some significance, but we are on our

own in figuring it out.

 

The very fact that there is a navamsa-dwadasamsa chart defined, where navamsa

chart (D-9) is treated as though it was a rasi chart and D-12 is found from it,

means that there are divisional longitudes, divisional nakshatras and divisional

tithis. As far as I am concerned, that is a given and the only issue remaining

is how to use them and for what.

 

Actually, I have got good results in my researches into the Sarvatobhadra Chakra

transit principles by using nakshatras, rasis and tithis taken from divisional

charts. I haven't talked about those researches publicly yet and hopefully will

get an opportunity in future.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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> Hello Narasimha,> > Do you have tithis in trasformed spaces as well ? So a>

almost full chandra becomes a amavasya chandra, or a> day birth becomes a night

birth in trasfromed space ?> > Satish> > --- pvr108 <pvr@c...> wrote:> > >

Namaste Finn,> > > > > As I read this, the aspects are only to be> > used

in the signs > > (Rashi) and> > > each of the Shadvargas occupied by the

Ascendant> > are therefore > > projected into> > > the natal chart (Rashi) from

which it is observed> > if one planet is > > aspecting> > > all the six

Lagna-Rashis at the same time.> > > It was normal practice to project> >

Varga-positions into the > > Rashi-chart> > > this way.> > > > Projecting

lagna of the varga chart into rasi chart> > and analyzing > > rasi chart

planetary positions from it is indeed a> > common practice. > > However, the

practice of projecting lagna of rasi> > chart into a varga > > chart and

analyzing the varga chart planetary> > positions from it is > > also quite

common! After all, we have "rasi tulya> > navamsa" as well > > as "navamsa

tulya rasi".> > > > One will be wise to understand the differences> > between

the four > > tools - rasi chart, navamsa chart, rasi tulya> > navamsa chart and

> > navamsa tulya rasi chart - rather than ignoring two> > of them!> > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > > > > Are we prepared to address the basic query -> > ''How can 2

planets,> > > > placed 15 degrees apart,cast full> > (1/7th),aspect''.> > > > I

answered this query of yours umpteen times.> > > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are

transformed spaces. Two> > planets may be 20 > > deg apart in the same sign in

the physical space,> > but 180 deg apart > > in the transformed navamsa space.

Jupiter and Mars> > may be at 1 deg > > and 21 deg in Aries in the physical

space. In> > navamsa space, they > > are in Ar and Li rasis. This is a

transformed space.> > > > If one does not understand these transformed

spaces,> > one will have > > all kinds of confusions regarding divisional

charts> > and possibly end > > up confusing others too.> > > > First, try to

understand why the same 12 rasis were> > used in the > > definition of navamsa

too and why Sages did not> > devise 144 new > > navamsa-sign names in addition

to the 12 rasi names.> > Why did they re-> > use the 12 rasis when defining all

vargas?> > > > If Ar and Li are 180 deg apart in the physical> > space, so are

they in > > any transformed space. The Ar and Li of the> > transformed navamsa

> > space are the same as the Ar and Li of the physical> > space. > >

Otherwise, there would be no logic behind projecting> > lagna and > > planets

from rasi to navamsa or vice versa.> > > > > > If we attempt this simple

question we will> > understand -> > BPHS,Kalyan> > > >

Varma,D.V.SubbuRao,Santhanam etc and numerous> > local traditional> > > >

astrologers regarding the debated topic.> > > > Let us leave aside the issue

of non-navamsa> > divisional charts, as > > there seems to be some phobia for

them among some> > people. Let us > > look at navamsa as a representative

divisional> > chart.> > > > Many scholars - including Dr Raman, B Suryanarain>

> Rao, R Santhanam, > > Prof PS Sastri, KN Rao and Pt Sanjay Rath - have> > used

houses and > > aspects in navamsa. All the local astrologers in my> > native

town do > > so too. There may be some supporters of the radical> > view that

houses > > and aspects cannot be used in navamsa, but a> > majority of scholars

> > and local traditional astrologers DO use houses and> > aspects in > >

navamsa.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha

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> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I answered this query of yours umpteen times.

>

> Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may be 20

> deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg

apart

> in the transformed navamsa space.

 

Dear Narasimha ji

 

Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any

classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are two

zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to know

your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get confused.

 

I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of individual

signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all.

 

As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for

nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a rashi!!!.

(It equals one navamsha).

Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different

signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has given

clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a rashi.

 

Thanks

Pradeep