Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Dear Pradeep, I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand. If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries (respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and I take them to aspect each other. You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact that they are in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of the physical placement (rasi chart). You say that they are still at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each other. Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment. Now, the interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the correct way to judge a division is to project its lagna onto the rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on it in rasi chart, using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting you. Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me elaborate. Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi chart and say that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope I am not misrepresenting you.) However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it. How can he aspect it? Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter example) and say that they aspect each other. * * * > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > classical reference. To answer your question directly, it is not a view but a deduction. Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to 180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X. Navamsa transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times.> > > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may be 20 > > deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > apart > > in the transformed navamsa space. > > Dear Narasimha ji> > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are two > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to know > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get confused.> > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of individual > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all.> > As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for > nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a rashi!!!.> (It equals one navamsha).> Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has given > clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a rashi.> > Thanks> Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Dear Narasimha That is a great point. Logic is your strong forte There is no way but to accept that divisional charts exist! best wishes partha vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand. > > If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries (respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and I take them to aspect each other. > > You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact that they are in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of the physical placement (rasi chart). You say that they are still at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each other. > > Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment. > > Now, the interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the correct way to judge a division is to project its lagna onto the rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on it in rasi chart, using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting you. > > Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me elaborate. > > Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi chart and say that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope I am not misrepresenting you.) > > However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it. How can he aspect it? > > Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter example) and say that they aspect each other. > > * * * > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical reference. > > To answer your question directly, it is not a view but a deduction. > > Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to 180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X. Navamsa transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times. > > > > > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may be 20 > > > deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > > apart > > > in the transformed navamsa space. > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are two > > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to know > > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get confused. > > > > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of individual > > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all. > > > > As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for > > nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a rashi!!!. > > (It equals one navamsha). > > Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different > > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has given > > clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a rashi. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.