Throwing away rasi chart? (To Satish)

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Dear Satish,

 

> Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN navamsha.> > So then if the

question is about navansha, do we throw> away the rashi or the main kundali ? >

> Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT> following parashar.

 

Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN navamsa". Thus, when seeing

spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

 

When seeing marriage, the interaction and relationship between a native and

spouse(s), I do MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the characteristics and

fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do stick to navamsa as you say above.

 

Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I knew nothing about him, except

the date he got married and the date he came to USA. A priest introduced us at

the local temple a week back and asked me to help him.

 

Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa lagna and was happy with it.

Then I proceeded to tell him a few characteristics of his wife for confirmation

of the navamsa. I told him that his wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone

to depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other people's emotions etc.

I said all this strictly using navamsa and he said everything was true.

 

Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his father was a very

sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic

disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place. I told him his

father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he said it was all

true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

 

Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I saw his father strictly from

dwadasamsa. However, I mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his

relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa to see his relationship

with father. I even mixed navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage

on his father.

 

> Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then how> does one reconcile

differences in the two charts ? > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a

certain kind> > Navansha says it is some some other kind > > Do you conclude

that the spouse will be schizophrenic> ?

Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not. Rasi does not.

 

Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional charts show

various environments. There are several objects and people who define each

environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives are part of the marital

environment. Boss, business partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

are part of the progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light

exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who

define it. How the person operates in that environments and interacts with the

objects/people of that environment and modifies that environment is seen from

the interaction of rasi chart and that divisional chart.

 

I do share whatever little I know in the free lessons I teach in my Sunday

classes at Boston (see the link in my signature). You are welcome to make use

of them to understand and appreciate the consistency and coherency of my views

and point out any inconsistencies!

 

> In mathematics there is something called a Laplace> transform where some

operations are easier to do than> in real space. But after the trasformations

and> operations one has to do a reverse trasformation to> the real space to

interpret the results. If one can> not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

laplace> transform is unusable.

 

Laplace transform transforms from one space to another. Navamsa and dasamsa

transforms transform from the space of zodiac onto itself.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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, SPK <aquaris_rising> wrote:>> Hello,>

> In mathematics there is something called a Laplace> transform where some

operations are easier to do than> in real space. But after the trasformations

and> operations one has to do a reverse trasformation to> the real space to

interpret the results. If one can> not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

laplace> transform is unusable.> > This is the question I have for anyone who

uses> divisions as separate charts. > > Narasimha says, parashara says see

spouse IN navamsha.> > So then if the question is about navansha, do we throw>

away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then

you are NOT> following parashar. > > Also if divisional chart is a separate

chart then how> does one reconcile differences in the two charts ? > > What if

rashi says spouse will be of a certain kind> > Navansha says it is some some

other kind > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be schizophrenic> ?> >

Satish> > P.S. Also I like Vinay's idea of actually applying> whatever

technique you prefer on a live chart. I> rather have event based quiz than a

wishy washy thing> like relationship with parents as this is very> subjective.

Also I would lik to propose that we should> put money where our theories are.

Lets say you give a> chart and ask for prediction. Use whatever technique,>

even if you use a parrot to give the prediction, thats> fine. If you are wrong

lets put some money into a fund> that will benefit astrological reserch or a

good> charity. > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep>> wrote:> > >

Namaste Narasimha ji> > > > There is no inconsistency at all.> > The

longitudinal degrees of planets and Lagna are> > marked w.r to> >

RASHI(Signs).Parashara framed aspectual rules based> > on longitudes.Thus> > it

is clear that aspects have to be understood only> > through Rashi> >

dispositions.> > > > When we talk about physical Position,it points to> > the

natal degree of> > a planet or Lagna.Then based on the divsion of> > Zodiac

-This planet or> > Lagna will have Rashi/Navamsha etc.> > > > The debate is

about ''One Planet Aspecting Another> > Planet(MARS &> > JUPITER),based on

Navamsha disposition''.We record> > planets and Lagna> > based on RASHI degree

and want to see aspects based> > on Navamsha> > disposition.Record using one

scale and measure using> > another!!!> > > > Let us take my cases to make it

more clear.> > > > Case - 1 - Jupiter in Gemini RASHI aspecting Lagna> >

NAVAMSHA.This> > aspect is purely based on Rashi disposition.> > > > Case - 2 -

Mars in Aries RASHI is aspecting the> > NAVAMSHA of> > jupiter.This aspect is

purely based on RASHI> > disposition.> > > > Now let us take your case> > > >

Mars 2 deg Aries & Jupiter 22 deg Aries.Do they have> > Longitudinal> >

Possibility for aspects based on '''RASHI''> > disposition? NO.Where as> > it

is possible for the 2 cases mentioned above.It is> > not at all a> > complex

point. > > > > I am totally with you - If you are talking about '''> > Mars

apsecting> > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''.But this is not> > the topic

of> > debate.It is about two planets aspecting each other> > by virtue of

their> > navamsha disposition(isn't it the case if we draw a> > navamsha chart

and> > see aspects),which is never psossible. > > > > I will give an analogy in

another mail.> > > > Thanks> > Pradeep> > > > > > > > --- In

, "Narasimha> > P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> > wrote:> >

>> > > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > > > > 1)Aspects can happen only if planets are>

> longitudinally disposed so.> > > > (You Know the rules).> > > > > > > > 2)Let

us Take your example.> > > > a)Lagna is at 22 deg in Aries> > > > b)Jupiter is

at 18 deg Gemini> > > > C)Lagna navamsha is Libra> > > > > > > > Now my

question is whether you project or do not> > project,can Jupiter > > > > in

Gemini aspect Libra Sign or not.Yes by 5th> > special aspect.> > > > > > > >

3)Now Let us take your second example.> > > > a)Mars is at 2 deg Aries> > > >

b)Jupiter is at 22 deg Aries> > > > > > > > Now my question is whether you

project or do> > not,Can Mars at 2deg > > > > Aries aspect Jupiter at 22 deg> >

Aries.No.Aspectual rules from > > > > Parashara allows that.> > > > > > Let me

add something to point 3 and construct it> > similar to what you> > said at the

end of point 2:> > > > > > "3)Now Let us take your second example.> > > a)Mars

is at 2 deg Aries> > > b)Jupiter is at 22 deg Aries> > > C)Mars navamsha is in

Aries.> > > D)Jupiter navamsha is in Libra.> > > > > > Now my question is

whether you project or do not> > project, can Mars> > in Aries aspect Libra

sign or not. Yes by 7th house> > aspect."> > > > > > See, this is constructed

the same way as what you> > said in 2. Yet,> > you have a problem. That is

where I see> > inconsistency. You are> > applying one paradigm to "lagna

navamsa" and quite> > another paradigm to> > "Jupiter navamsa". When it comes

to lagna at 22 deg> > in Ar, you are> > accepting "lagna navamsa" in Libra sign

and finding> > longitudinal> > aspects on Libra. When it comes to Jupiter at 22

deg> > in Ar, you are> > not accepting "Jupiter navamsa" in Libra sign and> >

going back to Aries> > to evaluate aspects. I see a HUGE inconsistency.> > > >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha> > >> >>

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Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.There is no

inconsistency> > at all.> > > > > > > > 1)Aspects can happen only if planets

are> > longitudinally disposed so.> > > > (You Know the rules).> > > > > > > >

2)Let us Take your example.> > > > a)Lagna is at 22 deg in Aries> > > >

b)Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini> > > > C)Lagna navamsha is Libra> > > > > > > >

Now my question is whether you project or do not> > project,can Jupiter > > > >

in Gemini aspect Libra Sign or not.Yes by 5th> > special aspect.> > > > > > > >

3)Now Let us take your second example.> > > > a)Mars is at 2 deg Aries> > > >

b)Jupiter is at 22 deg Aries> > > > > > > > Now my question is whether you

project or do> > not,Can Mars at 2deg > > > > Aries aspect Jupiter at 22 deg> >

Aries.No.Aspectual rules from > > > > Parashara allows that.> > > > > > > > Now

i feel you are clear about the aspectual> > idea conveyed. The > > > > question

remaining is what is a navamsha,why> > only lagna is > > > > projected,cant i

project all planets etc.The> > answer is yes.The > > > > navamsha grouping(that

we call as a chart) is> > the result of such a > > > > projection.Now we should

understand what is a> > navamsha - is it an > > > > external(transformed

space)projection or a> > projection within the > > > > same Rashi chakra.We

will see classical examples> > too.Pls see the > > > > next mail.> > > > > > >

> Thanks> > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > ,

"Narasimha> > P.V.R. Rao" > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your> >

stand.> > > > > > > > > > If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in> >

Aries > > > > (respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li> > in navamsa

chart and > > > > I take them to aspect each other.> > > > > > > > === message

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[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha ji

 

> Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN navamsa". Thus, when

seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

>

 

Analysis cannot be based on navamsha alone.Kalyan Varma clearly says

Aries amsha within Aries Rashi gives different physical appearance as

compared to Aries amsha within Taurus Rashi.Similarly for all the 108

amshas their influence on physique has been given.Rashi feature

getting modified based on amsha influence is the Crux.Kshethra shows

broad influence,while Amsha shows the 1/9th or finer (navamsha)

infleunce on a Rashi..This is very clear and can be understood without

much effort.We cannot take off the sharp edge of the compass while

making an arc.So is Rashi chakrabhava/amsha relationship.

 

Thanks

Pradeep