Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

October 31, 2005

Namaste,

> Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and

stick to navamsa strictly.

Unambiguous.

>Then I proceeded to

> tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> people's emotions etc.

How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

qualities in her viz "depression" and

selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

others.

"Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

Your predictions are amazing !

--- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:

> Dear Satish,

>

> > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN

> navamsha.

> >

> > So then if the question is about navansha, do we

> throw

> > away the rashi or the main kundali ?

> >

> > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT

> > following parashar.

>

> Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN

> navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY

> rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

>

> When seeing marriage, the interaction and

> relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do

> MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the

> characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do

> stick to navamsa as you say above.

>

> Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I

> knew nothing about him, except the date he got

> married and the date he came to USA. A priest

> introduced us at the local temple a week back and

> asked me to help him.

>

> Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa

> lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to

> tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly

> using navamsa and he said everything was true.

>

> Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

> his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a

> lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic

> disposition and quite well-known and respected in

> his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot

> of problems right now. Again, he said it was all

> true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

>

> Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I

> saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I

> mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his

> relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa

> to see his relationship with father. I even mixed

> navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage

> on his father.

>

> > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then

> how

> > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?

>

> >

> > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain

> kind

> >

> > Navansha says it is some some other kind

> >

> > Do you conclude that the spouse will be

> schizophrenic

> > ?

>

> Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.

> Rasi does not.

>

> Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

> native. Divisional charts show various environments.

> There are several objects and people who define each

> environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives

> are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

> are part of the progfessional environment. Each

> divisional chart throws light exclusively on one

> environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people

> who define it. How the person operates in that

> environments and interacts with the objects/people

> of that environment and modifies that environment is

> seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that

> divisional chart.

>

> I do share whatever little I know in the free

> lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see

> the link in my signature). You are welcome to make

> use of them to understand and appreciate the

> consistency and coherency of my views and point out

> any inconsistencies!

>

> > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace

> > transform where some operations are easier to do

> than

> > in real space. But after the trasformations and

> > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation

> to

> > the real space to interpret the results. If one

> can

> > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

> laplace

> > transform is unusable.

>

> Laplace transform transforms from one space to

> another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform

> from the space of zodiac onto itself.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

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> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace

> > transform where some operations are easier to do

> than

> > in real space. But after the trasformations and

> > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation

> to

> > the real space to interpret the results. If one

> can

> > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

> laplace

> > transform is unusable.

> >

> > This is the question I have for anyone who uses

> > divisions as separate charts.

> >

> > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN

> navamsha.

> >

> > So then if the question is about navansha, do we

> throw

> > away the rashi or the main kundali ?

> >

> > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT

> > following parashar.

> >

> > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then

> how

> > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?

>

> >

> > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain

> kind

> >

> > Navansha says it is some some other kind

> >

> > Do you conclude that the spouse will be

> schizophrenic

> > ?

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > P.S. Also I like Vinay's idea of actually applying

> > whatever technique you prefer on a live chart. I

> > rather have event based quiz than a wishy washy

> thing

> > like relationship with parents as this is very

> > subjective. Also I would lik to propose that we

> should

> > put money where our theories are. Lets say you

> give a

> > chart and ask for prediction. Use whatever

> technique,

> > even if you use a parrot to give the prediction,

> thats

> > fine. If you are wrong lets put some money into a

> fund

> > that will benefit astrological reserch or a good

> > charity.

> >

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste Narasimha ji

> > >

> > > There is no inconsistency at all.

> > > The longitudinal degrees of planets and Lagna

> are

> > > marked w.r to

> > > RASHI(Signs).Parashara framed aspectual rules

> based

> > > on longitudes.Thus

> > > it is clear that aspects have to be understood

> only

> > > through Rashi

> > > dispositions.

> > >

> > > When we talk about physical Position,it points

> to

>

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October 31, 2005

Namaste,

> How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite> qualities in her viz

"depression" and> selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of> others.

The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipata in a fiery

sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian sign and he was joined by

Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I said all those things.

> "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?> Your predictions are amazing !

I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.

> > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his father was a very>

sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic>

disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place. I told him his>

father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he said it was all>

true. I did not use rasi chart at all.> > Will you please give your analysis of

above to help us understand your view> point.

The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers without revealing data.

I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces. Exalted 5th lord

Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in 3rd house. So I predicted a

saattwik and saintly man with an optimistic disposition. Ketu was with

Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction

of lagna and 5th lords, esp with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a

locally famous man.

In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. Lord Sun is

afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems.

> I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some possibility and> use

relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard method of many>

astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.

To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then "confirming" it

in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6he use of rasi and navamsa

sound like asking two people for directions to a hotel for confirmation and

using the directions from the first person if the two persons give different

directions.

To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different things.

There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. They show two

sides of a coin. They do NOT show two views about the same side of the coin (in

which case concepts like "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).

Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional charts show

various environments. There are several objects and people who define each

environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives are part of the marital

environment. Boss, business partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

are part of the progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light

exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who

define it. To see those objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevant

divisional chart. But how the person operates in that environment, interacts

with the objects/people of that environment and modifies/impacts that

environment is seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that divisional

chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing" rasi and divisional charts and I am

not talking about letting each chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart.

If there are two voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of

having the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that cannot be

filled in by another chart.

I hope my view is a little better understood..

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Namaste,> > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and> stick to

navamsa strictly.> > Unambiguous.> > >Then I proceeded to> > tell him a few

characteristics of his wife for> > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that

his> > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to> > depression, highly

analytical and unmindful of other> > people's emotions etc.> > How did you

found to fit in diagonally opposite> qualities in her viz "depression" and>

selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of> others.> > "Cold" do u

mean cold blooded ?> Your predictions are amazing !> > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > Dear Satish,> > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says

see spouse IN> > navamsha.> > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha,

do we> > throw> > > away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > Narasimha ,

if you do not do so then you are NOT> > > following parashar. > > > > Yes,

Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN> > navamsa". Thus, when seeing

spouses, I do THROW AWAY> > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.> > > > When

seeing marriage, the interaction and> > relationship between a native and

spouse(s), I do> > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the> >

characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do> > stick to navamsa as you

say above.> > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I> > knew

nothing about him, except the date he got> > married and the date he came to

USA. A priest> > introduced us at the local temple a week back and> > asked me

to help him.> > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa> > lagna

and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to> > tell him a few characteristics of

his wife for> > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his> > wife was

selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to> > depression, highly analytical and

unmindful of other> > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly> > using

navamsa and he said everything was true.> > > > Based strictly on his

dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him> > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man

with a> > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic> > disposition and quite

well-known and respected in> > his place. I told him his father is going thru a

lot> > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all> > true. I did not use

rasi chart at all.> > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I> >

saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I> > mixed rasi and navamsa to

see his marriage and his> > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and

dwadasamsa> > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed> > navamsa and

dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage> > on his father.> > > > > Also if

divisional chart is a separate chart then> > how> > > does one reconcile

differences in the two charts ?> > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will

be of a certain> > kind> > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind > >

> > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be> > schizophrenic> > > ?> > > >

Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.> > Rasi does not.> > > >

Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a> > native. Divisional charts

show various environments.> > There are several objects and people who define

each> > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives> > are part of the

marital environment. Boss, business> > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates,

workplace etc> > are part of the progfessional environment. Each> > divisional

chart throws light exclusively on one> > environment, i.e. all the objects,

things and people> > who define it. How the person operates in that> >

environments and interacts with the objects/people> > of that environment and

modifies that environment is> > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and

that> > divisional chart.> > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free>

> lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see> > the link in my

signature). You are welcome to make> > use of them to understand and appreciate

the> > consistency and coherency of my views and point out> > any

inconsistencies!> > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace> >

> transform where some operations are easier to do> > than> > > in real space.

But after the trasformations and> > > operations one has to do a reverse

trasformation> > to> > > the real space to interpret the results. If one> >

can> > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of> > laplace> > > transform

is unusable.> > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to> > another.

Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform> > from the space of zodiac onto

itself.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha

November 1, 2005

Dear Narasimha Ji,

Namaste. Jay Jagannath!

Thank you so much for sharing your understanding. By giving the world your

fantastic Jagannatha Hora program and the books and so many hints and tips

you are very generous!

May I ask you a question on this essential subject? What you write is

insightful and I would like to clarify one thing: according to BPHS (chapt.

24) both rasi and divisional charts have a say on any particular sphere in

question, isn't it? In other words, though navamsa may be more important

specificly for matrimony, rasi does have a say? My question is: what aspect

rasi shows as opposed to divisional? E.g., when rasi spells horrible

matrimony and navamsa shows smooth sailing what is the influence of rasi?

Thank you very much!

Humbly,

Adi Purusha Das

>....

> Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional

> charts show various environments. There are several objects and people who

> define each environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives are part

> of the marital environment. Boss, business partners, colleagues,

> sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the progfessional environment.

> Each divisional chart throws light exclusively on one environment, i.e.

> all the objects, things and people who define it. To see those

> objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevant divisional chart. But

> how the person operates in that environment, interacts with the

> objects/people of that environment and modifies/impacts that environment

> is seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that divisional chart.

> Again, I am talking about "mixing" rasi and divisional charts and I am not

> talking about letting each chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart.

> If there are two voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the

> purpose of having the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role

> that cannot be filled in by another chart.

>.....

November 1, 2005

Dear Margaret,

> I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,

Why should I? :-)

Welcome to the party! ;-)

> please ignore it if you do.> What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point

of having a second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this wife has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects that you

pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind is already made up

by what you have read in navamsa alone, not looking at anything in rasi, what

you define as a 'second voter?' > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe the view of some others

and not mine. They say that you first get a picture of things with rasi and then

"confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa etc. This is where my analogy comes into

picture. If rasi shows that someone's wife is an engineer and navamsa shows

that she is a lawyer, what do you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what

rasi shows, it implies that it will be ignored when it is at loggerheads with

rasi as rasi is given priority. This is like having two voters and the second

voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") what the first voter said or

be vetoed.

In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the same thing. Rasi shows

certain things and navamsa shows certain OTHER things. There is never an issue

of a clash and a need for reconciliation.

The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence. The 7th house and

7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native interacts with others (including

spouse, professional partners, spiritual partners etc).

The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse, spouse's relatives

etc. To see anything related to native's characteristics and how native

interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To see any characteristics of

spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the interaction between native and

spouse, I see the interactions between rasi and navamsa charts.

In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning. I see something in

rasi and something else navamsa. They complement and supplement each other

(rather than "confirming" or rejecting what the other shows).

> My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation or confirm it,

and how can you be sure you have all the necessary data to be so confident that

this is an accurate description of this wife using navamsa alone?

I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which spouses are seen. I go

by my understanding of Parasara.

In general, I find the idea that you see something in a chart and then "confirm"

it in another chart a little weird. To me, two charts are not like two people

who have something to say about the SAME matter. Instead, two charts are like

two people who have something to say about two different, though perhaps

related, matters.

> I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full of signs to be

read to give additional --sometimes primary -> insights into the description

of the partner.

I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native acts with partner

and how he approaches the relationship. But, the qualities of the partner are

to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa etc (for marital partner, professional

partner, spiritual partner etc - respectively).

> In this light what you call a second voter, is what others see as more

refinement of information and its interpretation.

My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything and divisional

charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you say that rasi charts lays down

some basic guidelines and divisional charts give finer details that are not in

the rasi chart, I have no problem. If so, please try to identify what basic

factors are to be seen in rasi chart and what kinds of finer details are to be

seen in divisions.

That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out.

> best wishes> Margaret

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Nrasimha,> > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please

ignore it if you do.> > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of

having a second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this wife has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects that you

pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind is already made up

by what you have read in navamsa alone, not looking at anything in rasi, what

you define as a 'second voter?' > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?>

> My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation or confirm it,

and how can you be sure you have all the necessary data to be so confident that

this is an accurate description of this wife using navamsa alone?> > > I don't

think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full of signs to be read to

give additional --sometimes primary -> insights into the description of the

partner. In this light what you call a second voter, is what others see as more

refinement of information and its interpretation.> best wishes> Margaret> > >

- > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > To:

vedic astrology ; > Sent:

Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM> Re: Throwing away

rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)> > > Namaste,> > > How did you found to fit in

diagonally opposite> > qualities in her viz "depression" and> >

selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of> > others.> > The

Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipata in a fiery

sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian sign and he was joined by

Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I said all those things.> > > "Cold"

do u mean cold blooded ?> > Your predictions are amazing !> > I meant

cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.> > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa

(D-12), I told him his father was a very> > sattwik and saintly man with a

lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic> > disposition and quite well-known

and respected in his place. I told him his> > father is going thru a lot of

problems right now. Again, he said it was all> > true. I did not use rasi

chart at all.> > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us

understand your view> > point.> > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can

give some pointers without revealing data.> > I judged the D-12 chart from

pitri lagna. It was in Pisces. Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord

Jupiter were together in 3rd house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man

with an optimistic disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra.

So I predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords, esp with

Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man.> > In the current

annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn.

This made me predict problems.> > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive

at some possibility and> > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the

standard method of many> > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.> > To

me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then "confirming" it in

navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6he use of rasi and navamsa

sound like asking two people for directions to a hotel for confirmation and

using the directions from the first person if the two persons give different

directions.> > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two

different things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation.

They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two views about the same side

of the coin (in which case concepts like "confirmation" and "reconciliation"

come into picture).> > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

native. Divisional charts show various environments. There are several objects

and people who define each environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives

are part of the marital environment. Boss, business partners, colleagues,

sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the progfessional environment. Each

divisional chart throws light exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the

objects, things and people who define it. To see those objects/things/people,

we can stick to the relevant divisional chart. But how the person operates in

that environment, interacts with the objects/people of that environment and

modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction of rasi chart

and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing" rasi and

divisional charts and I am not talking about letting each chart vote and giving

veto right to rasi chart. If there are two voters and one voter has a veto

right, what is the purpose of having the second voter? I see each chart having

a unique role that cannot be filled in by another chart.> > I hope my view is

a little better understood..> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, >

Narasimha> ------------------------------->

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Namaste,> > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and> >

stick to navamsa strictly.> > > > Unambiguous.> > > > >Then I proceeded

to> > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for> > > confirmation of

the navamsa. I told him that his> > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold,

prone to> > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other> > >

people's emotions etc.> > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally

opposite> > qualities in her viz "depression" and> >

selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of> > others.> > > >

"Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?> > Your predictions are amazing !> > > >

> > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Satish,>

> > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN> > > navamsha.>

> > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we> > > throw>

> > > away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if

you do not do so then you are NOT> > > > following parashar. > > > > > >

Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN> > > navamsa". Thus, when

seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY> > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.> >

> > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and> > > relationship between

a native and spouse(s), I do> > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the>

> > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do> > > stick to navamsa

as you say above.> > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for

consultation. I> > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got> > >

married and the date he came to USA. A priest> > > introduced us at the local

temple a week back and> > > asked me to help him.> > > > > > Based on the

date of marriage, I rectified navamsa> > > lagna and was happy with it. Then

I proceeded to> > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for> > >

confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his> > > wife was selfish,

manipulative, cold, prone to> > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful

of other> > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly> > > using

navamsa and he said everything was true.> > > > > > Based strictly on his

dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him> > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly

man with a> > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic> > > disposition

and quite well-known and respected in> > > his place. I told him his father

is going thru a lot> > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all>

> > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.> > > > > > Thus, I saw his

spouse strictly from navamsa and I> > > saw his father strictly from

dwadasamsa. However, I> > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and

his> > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa> > > to see

his relationship with father. I even mixed> > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see

the impact of marriage> > > on his father.> > > > > > > Also if divisional

chart is a separate chart then> > > how> > > > does one reconcile

differences in the two charts ?> > > > > > > > > > > What if rashi says

spouse will be of a certain> > > kind> > > > > > > > Navansha says it is

some some other kind > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will

be> > > schizophrenic> > > > ?> > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse

is schizophrenic or not.> > > Rasi does not.> > > > > > Rasi chart is the

overall physical existence of a> > > native. Divisional charts show various

environments.> > > There are several objects and people who define each> >

> environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives> > > are part of the

marital environment. Boss, business> > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates,

workplace etc> > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each> > >

divisional chart throws light exclusively on one> > > environment, i.e. all

the objects, things and people> > > who define it. How the person operates in

that> > > environments and interacts with the objects/people> > > of that

environment and modifies that environment is> > > seen from the interaction

of rasi chart and that> > > divisional chart.> > > > > > I do share

whatever little I know in the free> > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes

at Boston (see> > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make> > >

use of them to understand and appreciate the> > > consistency and coherency of

my views and point out> > > any inconsistencies!> > > > > > > In

mathematics there is something called a Laplace> > > > transform where some

operations are easier to do> > > than> > > > in real space. But after the

trasformations and> > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation>

> > to> > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one> > > can> >

> > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of> > > laplace> > > >

transform is unusable.> > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one

space to> > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform> > > from

the space of zodiac onto itself.> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on

us, > > > Narasimha

November 1, 2005

Dear Narasimha,

In the light of what you have said, how do the Rashi UL and the

Navamsha UL stand in the scheme of interpretation that you use.

Since the interaction of the native is to be seen in the Rashi

Chakra, for what purpose would the UL in Navamsha be used? Will the

relative location of the UL in the Rashi Chakra, relative to Lagna

and AL for example, hold sway over the relative location of the UL

in Navamsha, relative to Navamsha Lagna or the AL in Navamsha.

Let us take the example of one's own chart (11th June, 1972; 10:17

AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India. Also, are you going to see

the 'characteristics' of the spouse from the 7th Bhava in Navamsha/

Kalatra Lagna or from the UL as well. Since the Rashi shows the

physical environment, the Arudha showing the spouse (UL) would

probably be seen in Rashi and Navamsha. Please clarify.

In the given chart, for example, the physical interaction would show

Guru ® in the 5th from Lagna as the UL Lord, showing perhaps a

bond borne out of affection (5th). However, the UL in the Navamsha,

perhaps linked more to the characterictics of the spouse is in the

2nd House with Saturn in it. The Rashi UL also shows characetristics

of the spouse according to the tachings at SJC. Even the probable

Lagna of the spouse can depend on it. Although, the location of the

Rashi UL in the 8th would hint at unusualness or second marriage

like the Navamsha, I am not sure you are seeing the 'same things'

from the Navamsha. The UL in Navamsha is 12th from AL. How is this

to be reconciled with the UL being in the 5th from the AL in Rashi?

Please correct me if I am wrong here, but in order to see the status

of the spouse, the location of the Rashi UL Lord in both Rashi and

Navamsha can be used. Thus, there is commonality in the two charts

here: in this chart, the Rashi UL is exalted but retrograde in

Navamsha in MKS in Gajkesari Yoga. Would it give the effects of

exaltation/ debility in Navamsha? These questions are incidental and

asked to probe the linkages/interdependence/ indeed the independence

of the Rashi and Navamsha Chakras.

How are the Padas in the Navamsha be studied qua the Padas in the

Rashi Chart?

Best Wishes and regards.

Anurag Sharma.

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Margaret,

>

> > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,

>

> Why should I? :-)

>

> Welcome to the party! ;-)

>

> > please ignore it if you do.

> > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this wife has certain characteristics, quite negative in most

respects that you pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as

your mind is already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone,

not looking at anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second

voter?'

> >

> > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

>

> I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe the view

of some others and not mine. They say that you first get a picture

of things with rasi and then "confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa etc.

This is where my analogy comes into picture. If rasi shows that

someone's wife is an engineer and navamsa shows that she is a

lawyer, what do you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what

rasi shows, it implies that it will be ignored when it is at

loggerheads with rasi as rasi is given priority. This is like having

two voters and the second voter being told to either agree with

("confirm") what the first voter said or be vetoed.

>

> In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the same

thing. Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows certain OTHER

things. There is never an issue of a clash and a need for

reconciliation.

>

> The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence. The

7th house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

interacts with others (including spouse, professional partners,

spiritual partners etc).

>

> The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse, spouse's

relatives etc. To see anything related to native's characteristics

and how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To see

any characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions

between rasi and navamsa charts.

>

> In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning. I see

something in rasi and something else navamsa. They complement and

supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting what

the other shows).

>

> > My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation

or confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary

data to be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

wife using navamsa alone?

>

> I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which spouses

are seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara.

>

> In general, I find the idea that you see something in a chart and

then "confirm" it in another chart a little weird. To me, two charts

are not like two people who have something to say about the SAME

matter. Instead, two charts are like two people who have something

to say about two different, though perhaps related, matters.

>

> > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full of

signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > insights into the description of the partner.

>

> I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native acts

with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa,

vimsamsa etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual

partner etc - respectively).

>

> > In this light what you call a second voter, is what others see

as more refinement of information and its interpretation.

>

> My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything and

divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you say that

rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and divisional charts

give finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no

problem. If so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be

seen in rasi chart and what kinds of finer details are to be seen in

divisions.

>

> That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out.

>

> > best wishes

> > Margaret

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear Nrasimha,

> >

> > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please ignore

it if you do.

> >

> > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this wife has certain characteristics, quite negative in most

respects that you pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as

your mind is already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone,

not looking at anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second

voter?'

> >

> > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> >

> > My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation

or confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary

data to be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

wife using navamsa alone?

> >

> > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full of

signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > insights into the description of the partner. In this light

what you call a second voter, is what others see as more refinement

of information and its interpretation.

> > best wishes

> > Margaret

> >

> > -

> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > vedic astrology ;

> > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM

> > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To

Narasimha.)

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > others.

> >

> > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and

Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian

sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I

said all those things.

> >

> > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > Your predictions are amazing !

> >

> > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.

> >

> > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his

father was a very

> > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and

an optimistic

> > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place.

I told him his

> > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he

said it was all

> > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > >

> > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us

understand your view

> > > point.

> >

> > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers

without revealing data.

> >

> > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces.

Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in

3rd house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an

optimistic disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house

Libra. So I predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th

lords, esp with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally

famous man.

> >

> > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo.

Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems.

> >

> > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some

possibility and

> > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard

method of many

> > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.

> >

> > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and

then "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people

make t6he use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for

directions to a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from

the first person if the two persons give different directions.

> >

> > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two

different things. There is no clash and there is no need for a

reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two

views about the same side of the coin (in which case concepts

like "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).

> >

> > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native.

Divisional charts show various environments. There are several

objects and people who define each environment. For example, wife

and wife's relatives are part of the marital environment. Boss,

business partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part

of the progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light

exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things and

people who define it. To see those objects/things/people, we can

stick to the relevant divisional chart. But how the person operates

in that environment, interacts with the objects/people of that

environment and modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the

interaction of rasi chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am

talking about "mixing" rasi and divisional charts and I am not

talking about letting each chart vote and giving veto right to rasi

chart. If there are two voters and one voter has a veto right, what

is the purpose of having the second voter? I see each chart having a

unique role that cannot be filled in by another chart.

> >

> > I hope my view is a little better understood..

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> > ------------------------------

-

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> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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> > ------------------------------

-

> >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and

> > > stick to navamsa strictly.

> > >

> > > Unambiguous.

> > >

> > > >Then I proceeded to

> > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > people's emotions etc.

> > >

> > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > others.

> > >

> > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > >

> > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN

> > > > navamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we

> > > > throw

> > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT

> > > > > following parashar.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN

> > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY

> > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > >

> > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and

> > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do

> > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the

> > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do

> > > > stick to navamsa as you say above.

> > > >

> > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I

> > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got

> > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest

> > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and

> > > > asked me to help him.

> > > >

> > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa

> > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to

> > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly

> > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true.

> > > >

> > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

> > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a

> > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic

> > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in

> > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot

> > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all

> > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I

> > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I

> > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his

> > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa

> > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed

> > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage

> > > > on his father.

> > > >

> > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then

> > > > how

> > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain

> > > > kind

> > > > >

> > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be

> > > > schizophrenic

> > > > > ?

> > > >

> > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.

> > > > Rasi does not.

> > > >

> > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

> > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments.

> > > > There are several objects and people who define each

> > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives

> > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

> > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each

> > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one

> > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people

> > > > who define it. How the person operates in that

> > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people

> > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is

> > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that

> > > > divisional chart.

> > > >

> > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free

> > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see

> > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make

> > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the

> > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out

> > > > any inconsistencies!

> > > >

> > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace

> > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do

> > > > than

> > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and

> > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation

> > > > to

> > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one

> > > > can

> > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

> > > > laplace

> > > > > transform is unusable.

> > > >

> > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to

> > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform

> > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

>

November 1, 2005

Respected Sir,

Can you please clarify some of my doubts that arose when I read your

mail?

You said

"The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence. The 7th

house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native interacts

with others (including spouse, professional partners, spiritual

partners etc).

I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native acts

with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa

etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual partner

etc - respectively

The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse, spouse's

relatives etc. To see anything related to native's characteristics

and how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To see any

characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions between

rasi and navamsa charts."

My doubt:

Do you mean 7th house and 7th lord of rasi shows ONLY (as you

said you STRICTLY USE) the interaction/relationship of Native to

Others (native-> others/partners) and not backward (others/partners -

> native)and Navamsa shows ONLY how Others/partners behave to native

(Others->native)?

If this is the case, then isn't (or shouldn't ) there be some

indicating factor in Rasi chart to show the receptivity by the

native? Because since Rasi shows the native, whatever that affects a

native should also be indicated in a Rasi. Am I right? I mean,

shouldn't there be an indication in Rasi chart (Rasi being a holistic

chart)as to show what sort of treatment the native receives from

people with whom he interacts including all types of partners?

If yes, what or where is that indicator? Do you mean such an

indication can be received only from Navamsa and not from Rasi?

If Rasi shows only a one way relationship (outward from native), then

how can it give an outline of what are the factors that affect a

native? For eg, how can one say a divorce from a Rasi chart as

divorce is an outcome of the bitter experiences a native receives

from his/her partner? Shouldnt there be an indication of the

partners' reaction to the native in the Rasi chart?

I hope you understood my doubt. If willing please clarify in simple

terms, without using any complicated technical terms (like varga and

all others) as I am not aware of such aspects.

With respects,

Jyothi.

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Margaret,

>

> > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,

>

> Why should I? :-)

>

> Welcome to the party! ;-)

>

> > please ignore it if you do.

> > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this wife has certain characteristics, quite negative in most

respects that you pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as

your mind is already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone,

not looking at anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second

voter?'

> >

> > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

>

> I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe the view

of some others and not mine. They say that you first get a picture of

things with rasi and then "confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa etc. This

is where my analogy comes into picture. If rasi shows that someone's

wife is an engineer and navamsa shows that she is a lawyer, what do

you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what rasi shows, it

implies that it will be ignored when it is at loggerheads with rasi

as rasi is given priority. This is like having two voters and the

second voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") what the

first voter said or be vetoed.

>

> In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the same

thing. Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows certain OTHER

things. There is never an issue of a clash and a need for

reconciliation.

>

> The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence. The 7th

house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native interacts

with others (including spouse, professional partners, spiritual

partners etc).

>

> The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse, spouse's

relatives etc. To see anything related to native's characteristics

and how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To see any

characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions between

rasi and navamsa charts.

>

> In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning. I see

something in rasi and something else navamsa. They complement and

supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting what the

other shows).

>

> > My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation or

confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary data

to be so confident that this is an accurate description of this wife

using navamsa alone?

>

> I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which spouses are

seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara.

>

> In general, I find the idea that you see something in a chart and

then "confirm" it in another chart a little weird. To me, two charts

are not like two people who have something to say about the SAME

matter. Instead, two charts are like two people who have something to

say about two different, though perhaps related, matters.

>

> > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full of

signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > insights into the description of the partner.

>

> I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native acts

with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa

etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual partner

etc - respectively).

>

> > In this light what you call a second voter, is what others see as

more refinement of information and its interpretation.

>

> My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything and

divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you say that

rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and divisional charts

give finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no problem.

If so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be seen in

rasi chart and what kinds of finer details are to be seen in

divisions.

>

> That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out.

>

> > best wishes

> > Margaret

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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> > Dear Nrasimha,

> >

> > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please ignore it

if you do.

> >

> > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this wife has certain characteristics, quite negative in most

respects that you pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as

your mind is already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone,

not looking at anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second

voter?'

> >

> > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> >

> > My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation or

confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary data

to be so confident that this is an accurate description of this wife

using navamsa alone?

> >

> > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full of

signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > insights into the description of the partner. In this light what

you call a second voter, is what others see as more refinement of

information and its interpretation.

> > best wishes

> > Margaret

> >

> > -

> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > vedic astrology ;

> > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM

> > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To

Narasimha.)

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > others.

> >

> > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and

Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian

sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I

said all those things.

> >

> > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > Your predictions are amazing !

> >

> > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.

> >

> > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his

father was a very

> > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and an

optimistic

> > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place.

I told him his

> > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he

said it was all

> > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > >

> > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us

understand your view

> > > point.

> >

> > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers

without revealing data.

> >

> > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces.

Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in

3rd house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an

optimistic disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house

Libra. So I predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th

lords, esp with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally

famous man.

> >

> > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo.

Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems.

> >

> > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some

possibility and

> > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard

method of many

> > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.

> >

> > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and

then "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make

t6he use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for

directions to a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from

the first person if the two persons give different directions.

> >

> > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two

different things. There is no clash and there is no need for a

reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two

views about the same side of the coin (in which case concepts

like "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).

> >

> > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native.

Divisional charts show various environments. There are several

objects and people who define each environment. For example, wife and

wife's relatives are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the

progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light