Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

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Namaste Panditji,

 

Just wanted to point out that "followers", "trumpet blowers", fake "virtual

gurus" and armchair critics exist in all camps. Such people may exist even in

the camp that suggests that rasi chart is everything and there are no varga

"charts".

 

But, when we meet someone on the lists, we always try to give the benefit of

doubt and treat the person with respect. There is a saying in my mother tongue,

which means "who knows which ant-hill has a snake in it and which one doesn't".

 

Also, I disagree that one's knowledge/understanding is proportional to the

years/months spent on Jyotish. It depends on one's vasanas, poorva karma,

learning ability and the guidance received. I see some people picking up in 2

years what took me 7-8 years to learn. Similarly, I see some people taking a

decade to learn what took me 2 years. It is highly personal.

 

If someone has been learning astrology for just 2-3 years, I will not put

him/her down just because I've been seriously pursuing it for 11 years and

passively learning it for 25 years. That would be wrong. They may be more

learned than me in some areas.

 

BTW, thank you for the kind personal comment.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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> Namaste Sreenadh,> There are some in the D-chart campaign that are sincere

and are genuine in> their attempts, like narasimha. Many are just followers,

and some are just> trumpet blowers. With the medium of internet this is

spreading like wildfire> with theories not well grounded and speculations being

treated as the next> thing since sliced bread. People who are studying it for a

few months then> go on riling about stuff they have no good understanding of,

quoting> articles they read on the internet from their virtual gurus. Ofcourse

one> can beleive in anything they want and one is entitled to their own

opinions.> Fortunately, one is not entitled to their own facts.> ...> > On

11/5/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:> >> > Namasthe Paditji,> > >Just

because we can not explain or formulate unified field theory> > >that explains

everything, we do not throw away the things that work,> > >like newton's laws

are not thrown out.> > You said it well; I appreciate that sincerity, which the

new> > technicians of D-charts lack, that extra something that comes from a> >

sincere heart,> > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>> > wrote:> > >> > >

Namaste Rohiniranjan,> > > Yes one can argue that. I have thought a bit about

twins and I> > feel that we> > > are going too much gung ho trying to explain

everything under the> > sky with> > > this tool called jyotish. Some even

equate it to superscience and> > so are> > > compelled to explain everything.

In this pursuit we are inventing> > new> > > principles and are getting caught

in a whiirlpool. May be like> > Abhimanyu> > > going into chakravyuva, having

no clue how to get out of it.> > > To me twins are a minute percentage of

population and from a> > practical> > > standpoint , I am not willing to throw

out things that work and> > there is> > > evidence of them working just to

accomodate something that can not> > be> > > explained. I am sure you are well

aware that all these new theories> > > propagated as new age awakening of

jyotish can not explain twins> > either, so> > > they go on formulating new

escape routes to get out of quandry they> > find> > > themselves in. So , if

the twins have same navansha, their spouses> > should be> > > very similar and

all the marital patterns should be same. As this> > is not> > > found in

practice, they go on inventing new parameters to explain> > away> > > things.>

> > Just because we can not explain or formulate unified field theory> > that>

> > explains everything, we do not throw away the things that work, like> > >

newton's laws are not thrown out.> > > ...

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Sreenad ji,

 

I am curious about something :-)

How can you laugh 'at' something or someone and still manage to end

your posts with 'love'?

 

Or was it love just for some ;-)

 

RR

 

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Namaste Paditji,

> Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can be

> interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references they

> have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts it is

all

> the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas.

> Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga charts.

> Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. His

> mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on D-

> charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> Dear Sury ji,

> Consider this as well-

> 120 year longevity is fixed for Rasi and the respective planetary

> speeds. Considering transit in D-charts means we are multiplying

> planetary speeds - if we are increasing our breath rate say 10

times

> in D-10/Desamsa chart then life span will come down to 12 years

when

> you take D-10/Dasamsa chart as independent (from Rasi chart). So

> the "time scale" available for Rasi cannot be dicto applied to D-

> charts/Varga-charts taken as independent. Time technique like dasas

> are for Rasi chart (Natal chart).

> Now after knowing this, how can one say that, transit should be

> considered in D-charts/Varga-charts? As per classics, 'transit

should

> be considered in natal chart - through the sign, were the varga is

> posited' - it is my understanding.

> This again means that D-charts and Varga-charts are against the

idea

> put forward by the classics. They approve only the use of Vargas

(and

> NOT Varga-charts and D-charts).

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> Surya Rao <suryarao12@>

> Tue Nov 1, 2005 6:34 pm

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Throwing away rasi chart - 1

> suryarao12

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> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> I am to offer you some food for thought -

>

> 1. Marriage happens when Guru transits 7th or aspects 7th of Rasi-

> Lagna. Why cannot marriage happen when the 7th of Varga is

transited?

>

> 2. Varahamihira says - "Kujenduhetu pratimasamarthavam", because of

> Mars and Moon, menses occur for woman. Now to see the occurrence of

> menses, you have to see Moon in Rasi only. If you see the Moon-Mars

> influence in Varga of natal and transits it may happen every day

and

> the better halves will be in very difficult condition.

>

> 3. If you look at Pregnancy and child birth, going by Rasi, 10

lunar

> months is the pregnancy period. But if you go by natal and transit

> Vargas, kids may take birth in few days or weeks or where Moon is

5th

> lord even on the same day - there can be correlations for

> fructification of Bhavas.

>

> 4. When menses happens or when a child is born, you look at Vargas -

 

> you can prove the truth of astrology with Vargas as in the case of

> Bush becoming President. But if you look at Vargas (natal and

> transit) and predict monthly programmes like menses or long period

> issues like pregnancy and child birth, you will not be very correct

> unless you have Siddhi.

>

> 5. President is elected once in 4 years. On the day of his election

> and at the time of declaration of results, you look at the Vargas

> natal and transits. Success or failure, both can be explained.

> Otherwise, how do you think astrology can survive? If he wins you

> close your eyes to the fact that Guru was Neecha in Varga and if he

> is doomed then you say that Guru is doomed in Varga and so Bush got

> doomed. Astrology is an art too - and you are yet to grasp the same

> in full. Your mind has poor imagination.

>

> I hope, now you understand the use of Vargas and Rasi. This is what

> my Guru taught me when I placed your postings before him.

>

> Surya Rao

>

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sreenadh,

> > I agree when you say Vargas, NOT varga charts. I do not think

> there are

> > separate charts, there are only vargas or amshas. The

justification

> given to

> > use of divisions as separate charts in the form of examples is

all

> after the

> > fact, rear view mirror jyotish. As people increase the number of

> parameters

> > they use,start using dashas in vargas, it is not surprising to

see

> any event

> > in any chart. If one thinks logically, they will realize that

with

> these

> > techniques, every graha will qualify to give every possible

result,

> ofcourse

> > the event has to be known before hand. If one is predicting, try

> using these

> > myriads of parameters and try to predict and you will soon see

that

> it does

> > not work.

> > Someone had given an analogy of parent and child to say that

child

> comes

> > from parent but has a separate existence. This is a faulty

analogy,

> as even

> > after parent dies the child lives on. But here if the rashi chart

> dies so do

> > all the divisions.Divisions have no separate existence, it is

> > impossible.Ifyou only think logically and not get swayed and awed

by

> > the amout of

> > technical terms thrown your way, you will see through this as

well.

> > If you are a new student and think that you can not predict

using

> all these

> > techniques. Do not blame it on your inexperience, beleive me ,the

> so called

> > gurus who use these techniques can not predict it consistently

> either.

> > ...

> >

> > On 11/3/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > In this conversation at one point PVR says,

> > > >My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything

and

> > > divisional charts are to >be used only to "confirm". If you say

> that

> > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines >and divisional

charts

> > > give finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no

> problem.

> > > If >so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be

seen

> in

> > > rasi chart and what kinds of >finer details are to be seen in

> > > divisions.

> > > I agree with PVR's objection to the view that - rasi chart shows

> > > everything and divisional charts are to be used only

> to 'confirm'. In

> > > PVR's words "If you say that rasi charts lays down some basic

> > > guidelines and divisional charts give finer details that are

not

> in

> > > the rasi chart, I have no problem.". I agree with it as well,

if

> he

> > > means Vargas when using the word 'divisional charts'. As per

what

> > > factors to be identified in Vargas, classics give much evidence.

> > > Rasi chart lays down some basic guidelines and Vargas give finer

> > > details that could not be seen (actually they are present in

Rasi

> > > chart but we need to use Vargas to see them) from the Rasi

> chart. - As

> > > per my understanding this is the view the classics support.

> > > Essentially this means that even if we could see some unseen

> > > possibilities/predictions using Vargas, we cannot say that they

> are

> > > not present in Rasi chart, even though were unable to see them

> using

> > > the Rasi chart alone. Vargas gives us a magnified picture, with

> more

> > > details. Yes, it is similar to a magnified map.

> > > BTW: I am speaking about Vargas (not about 'charts') and not at

> all

> > > about D-charts (that are used independent of Rasi chart).

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 9:07 am

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.) pvr108

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> > >

> > > Dear Margaret,

> > >

> > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,

> > >

> > > Why should I? :-)

> > >

> > > Welcome to the party! ;-)

> > >

> > > > please ignore it if you do.

> > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

> second

> > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this

> wife

> > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects

that

> you

> > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind is

> > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone, not

> looking at

> > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > >

> > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > >

> > > I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe the

view

> of

> > > some others and not mine. They say that you first get a picture

of

> > > things with rasi and then "confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa etc.

> This

> > > is where my analogy comes into picture. If rasi shows that

> someone's

> > > wife is an engineer and navamsa shows that she is a lawyer,

what

> do

> > > you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what rasi shows, it

> > > implies that it will be ignored when it is at loggerheads with

> rasi as

> > > rasi is given priority. This is like having two voters and the

> second

> > > voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") what the

first

> voter

> > > said or be vetoed.

> > >

> > > In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the same

> thing.

> > > Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows certain OTHER

things.

> > > There is never an issue of a clash and a need for

reconciliation.

> > >

> > > The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence. The

> 7th

> > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

interacts

> > > with others (including spouse, professional partners, spiritual

> > > partners etc).

> > >

> > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

spouse's

> > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

> characteristics and

> > > how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To see

any

> > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

> > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions

> between

> > > rasi and navamsa charts.

> > >

> > > In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning. I see

> > > something in rasi and something else navamsa. They complement

and

> > > supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting

what

> the

> > > other shows).

> > >

> > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this

interpretation

> or

> > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary

> data to

> > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

wife

> > > using navamsa alone?

> > >

> > > I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which spouses

> are

> > > seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara.

> > >

> > > In general, I find the idea that you see something in a chart

and

> then

> > > "confirm" it in another chart a little weird. To me, two charts

> are

> > > not like two people who have something to say about the SAME

> matter.

> > > Instead, two charts are like two people who have something to

say

> > > about two different, though perhaps related, matters.

> > >

> > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full

of

> > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > insights into the description of the partner.

> > >

> > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native

acts

> with

> > > partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

> qualities of

> > > the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa etc

(for

> > > marital partner, professional partner, spiritual partner etc -

> > > respectively).

> > >

> > > > In this light what you call a second voter, is what others

see

> as

> > > more refinement of information and its interpretation.

> > >

> > > My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything and

> > > divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you say

> that

> > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and divisional

charts

> give

> > > finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no

problem.

> If

> > > so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be seen in

> rasi

> > > chart and what kinds of finer details are to be seen in

divisions.

> > >

> > > That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out.

> > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > > Margaret

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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> > >

> > > > Dear Nrasimha,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please

ignore

> it if

> > > you do.

> > > >

> > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

> second

> > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this

> wife

> > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects

that

> you

> > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind is

> > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone, not

> looking at

> > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > >

> > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > > >

> > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this

interpretation

> or

> > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary

> data to

> > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

wife

> > > using navamsa alone?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full

of

> > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > insights into the description of the partner. In this light

what

> > > you call a second voter, is what others see as more refinement

of

> > > information and its interpretation.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > Margaret

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > vedic astrology ;

>

> > > > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM

> > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To

> > > Narasimha.)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > others.

> > > >

> > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and

> > > Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a

> Mercurian

> > > sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is

why I

> > > said all those things.

> > > >

> > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > >

> > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.

> > > >

> > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his

> father

> > > was a very

> > > > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and

an

> > > optimistic

> > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his

place. I

> > > told him his

> > > > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he

> said

> > > it was all

> > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us

> > > understand your view

> > > > > point.

> > > >

> > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers

> > > without revealing data.

> > > >

> > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces.

> > > Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together

> in 3rd

> > > house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an

> optimistic

> > > disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I

> > > predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords,

> esp

> > > with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man.

> > > >

> > > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo.

> > > Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems.

> > > >

> > > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some

possibility

> > > and

> > > > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard

> method

> > > of many

> > > > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.

> > > >

> > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then

> > > "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people

make

> t6he

> > > use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for

> directions to

> > > a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the first

> > > person if the two persons give different directions.

> > > >

> > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two

> > > different things. There is no clash and there is no need for a

> > > reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show

> two

> > > views about the same side of the coin (in which case concepts

like

> > > "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).

> > > >

> > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native.

> > > Divisional charts show various environments. There are several

> objects

> > > and people who define each environment. For example, wife and

> wife's

> > > relatives are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of

the

> > > progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light

> > > exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things and

> > > people who define it. To see those objects/things/people, we

can

> stick

> > > to the relevant divisional chart. But how the person operates

in

> that

> > > environment, interacts with the objects/people of that

> environment and

> > > modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction

of

> rasi

> > > chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking

> about "mixing"

> > > rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about letting

each

> > > chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are two

> > > voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of

> having

> > > the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that

> cannot be

> > > filled in by another chart.

> > > >

> > > > I hope my view is a little better understood..

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -----------------------------

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> > > > -----------------------------

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> > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and

> > > > > stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unambiguous.

> > > > >

> > > > > >Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > people's emotions etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > others.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN

> > > > > > navamsha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we

> > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT

> > > > > > > following parashar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN

> > > > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY

> > > > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and

> > > > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the

> > > > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > stick to navamsa as you say above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I

> > > > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got

> > > > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest

> > > > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and

> > > > > > asked me to help him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa

> > > > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly

> > > > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

> > > > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a

> > > > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic

> > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in

> > > > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot

> > > > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all

> > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I

> > > > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I

> > > > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his

> > > > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa

> > > > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed

> > > > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage

> > > > > > on his father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain

> > > > > > kind

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be

> > > > > > schizophrenic

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.

> > > > > > Rasi does not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

> > > > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments.

> > > > > > There are several objects and people who define each

> > > > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives

> > > > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> > > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

> > > > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each

> > > > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one

> > > > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people

> > > > > > who define it. How the person operates in that

> > > > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people

> > > > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is

> > > > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that

> > > > > > divisional chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free

> > > > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see

> > > > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make

> > > > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the

> > > > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out

> > > > > > any inconsistencies!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace

> > > > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and

> > > > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

> > > > > > laplace

> > > > > > > transform is unusable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to

> > > > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform

> > > > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:17 am

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > anuraagsharma27

> > > Offline

> > > Send Email

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha,

> > >

> > > In the light of what you have said, how do the Rashi UL and the

> > > Navamsha UL stand in the scheme of interpretation that you use.

> > > Since the interaction of the native is to be seen in the Rashi

> > > Chakra, for what purpose would the UL in Navamsha be used? Will

> the

> > > relative location of the UL in the Rashi Chakra, relative to

Lagna

> > > and AL for example, hold sway over the relative location of the

UL

> > > in Navamsha, relative to Navamsha Lagna or the AL in Navamsha.

> > >

> > > Let us take the example of one's own chart (11th June, 1972;

10:17

> > > AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India. Also, are you going to see

> > > the 'characteristics' of the spouse from the 7th Bhava in

> Navamsha/

> > > Kalatra Lagna or from the UL as well. Since the Rashi shows the

> > > physical environment, the Arudha showing the spouse (UL) would

> > > probably be seen in Rashi and Navamsha. Please clarify.

> > >

> > > In the given chart, for example, the physical interaction would

> show

> > > Guru ® in the 5th from Lagna as the UL Lord, showing perhaps a

> > > bond borne out of affection (5th). However, the UL in the

> Navamsha,

> > > perhaps linked more to the characterictics of the spouse is in

the

> > > 2nd House with Saturn in it. The Rashi UL also shows

> characetristics

> > > of the spouse according to the tachings at SJC. Even the

probable

> > > Lagna of the spouse can depend on it. Although, the location of

> the

> > > Rashi UL in the 8th would hint at unusualness or second marriage

> > > like the Navamsha, I am not sure you are seeing the 'same

things'

> > > from the Navamsha. The UL in Navamsha is 12th from AL. How is

this

> > > to be reconciled with the UL being in the 5th from the AL in

> Rashi?

> > >

> > > Please correct me if I am wrong here, but in order to see the

> status

> > > of the spouse, the location of the Rashi UL Lord in both Rashi

and

> > > Navamsha can be used. Thus, there is commonality in the two

charts

> > > here: in this chart, the Rashi UL is exalted but retrograde in

> > > Navamsha in MKS in Gajkesari Yoga. Would it give the effects of

> > > exaltation/ debility in Navamsha? These questions are

incidental

> and

> > > asked to probe the linkages/interdependence/ indeed the

> independence

> > > of the Rashi and Navamsha Chakras.

> > >

> > > How are the Padas in the Navamsha be studied qua the Padas in

the

> > > Rashi Chart?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes and regards.

> > >

> > > Anurag Sharma.

> > >

> > >

> > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:49 am

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> jyothi_laksh.

> > > ..

> > > Offline

> > > Send Email

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > >

> > > Can you please clarify some of my doubts that arose when I read

> your

> > > mail?

> > > You said

> > > "The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence.

The

> 7th

> > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

interacts

> > > with others (including spouse, professional partners, spiritual

> > > partners etc).

> > >

> > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native

acts

> > > with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

> > > qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa,

> vimsamsa

> > > etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual

partner

> > > etc - respectively

> > >

> > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

spouse's

> > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

characteristics

> > > and how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To

see

> any

> > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

> > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions

> between

> > > rasi and navamsa charts."

> > >

> > > My doubt:

> > > Do you mean 7th house and 7th lord of rasi shows ONLY (as you

> > > said you STRICTLY USE) the interaction/relationship of Native to

> > > Others (native-> others/partners) and not backward

> (others/partners -

> > > > native)and Navamsa shows ONLY how Others/partners behave to

> native

> > > (Others->native)?

> > >

> > > If this is the case, then isn't (or shouldn't ) there be some

> > > indicating factor in Rasi chart to show the receptivity by the

> > > native? Because since Rasi shows the native, whatever that

> affects a

> > > native should also be indicated in a Rasi. Am I right? I mean,

> > > shouldn't there be an indication in Rasi chart (Rasi being a

> holistic

> > > chart)as to show what sort of treatment the native receives from

> > > people with whom he interacts including all types of partners?

> > > If yes, what or where is that indicator? Do you mean such an

> > > indication can be received only from Navamsa and not from Rasi?

> > > If Rasi shows only a one way relationship (outward from

native),

> then

> > > how can it give an outline of what are the factors that affect a

> > > native? For eg, how can one say a divorce from a Rasi chart as

> > > divorce is an outcome of the bitter experiences a native

receives

> > > from his/her partner? Shouldnt there be an indication of the

> > > partners' reaction to the native in the Rasi chart?

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope you understood my doubt. If willing please clarify in

> simple

> > > terms, without using any complicated technical terms (like

varga

> and

> > > all others) as I am not aware of such aspects.

> > >

> > >

> > > With respects,

> > > Jyothi.

> > >

> > >

> > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 12:27 pm

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> jyothi_laksh.

> > > ..

> > > Offline

> > > Send Email

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > >

> > > Please can you clarify one more doubt. (wrt your same mail).

> > >

> > > Doesn't the `marital environment' which was on the `OTHER side(

> > > =spouse's side=Navamsa) before marriage come to ones own side

> > > (=native's =Rasi) after marriage?

> > >

> > > Where does that clubbing occur in Rasi chart? Or where in Rasi

> > > chart, the line is drawn? (Can we differentiate so?)

> > >

> > > Or is the interpretation time-dependant?

> > >

> > > In the case before marriage, I understand that the Navamsa

shows

> the

> > > marital environment (spouse, spouse's relatives, family etc).

> > > But after marriage if one needs to check the `marital

> environment' of

> > > a person, which will you check? Rasi or Navamsa of that person?

> (as

> > > the spouse's environment now has a significant effect on

ones'own

> > > environment.)

> > >

> > > For eg:, Say a couple is undergoing a bad married life, one of

> them

> > > approaches you to check the prospects of their life. Which will

> you

> > > check? You will check the 'environment' in Rasi or Navamsa of

that

> > > person?

> > >

> > > I believe Rasi should definitely be checked. If correct, then

> isn't

> > > Rasi chart also showing the 'marital envronment' you mentioned?

> Not

> > > only the Navamsa?

> > >

> > > Or is it again time dependant - before marriage Navamsa and

after

> > > marriage Rasi?

> > >

> > > Please correct me whereever I am wrong in my perspective.

> > >

> > > With Respects,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 1:44 pm

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Throwing away rasi chart?

> > > nameisego

> > > Offline

> > > Send Email

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > > My grandfather was a legend in Gujarat. He used mainly Rasi

chart.

> > > I use mainly Rasi chart and have got a very fair amount of

> success in

> > > prognostications.

> > > If I am not mistaken, Chi. Narasimha's father uses Rasi chart

> mainly.

> > > and he is considered a very good astrologer for his predictive

> > > success.

> > > I think it is upto individual Jyothishi.

> > > To each his own.

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 5:19 pm

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] To all GURUS: Is Interpretation a

> > > personal choice? nameisego

> > > Offline

> > > Send Email

> > >

> > > Hello J. Lakshmi,

> > > an astrologer needs to have Vak Siddhhi.

> > > Apart from whatever tools an astrologer uses, God's anugraha,

> > > vaksiddhhi and purity of heart are very essential.

> > > I met one Surya Narayan Rao a pious Telugu Brahmin whoo was

> shishya of

> > > a Nadi Astrologer (Surya Nadi) also owned by a pious Brahmin

from

> > > Andhra .

> > > He used to tell me that he was one of the most thorough Ganita

> shastri

> > > and he could make most detailes chart but alas, he lamented

that

> God

> > > had not given him Vaksiddhhi so he could never predict even

simple

> > > things from birth chart.

> > >

> > > Whereas people with vaksiddhhi can just have a glance at the

> chart and

> > > predict remarkable things .

> > > I am attaching the URL of Bhadli Vakya of a Gujarati poet who

> wrote

> > > poetry which was used by illiterate farmers to their utmost

> benefit.

> > > He gave some scientifically proven principles of weather

> behaviour by

> > > planetary positions and Tithi, Nakshtra and Vara etc.

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.millenniumassessment.org/documents/bridging/papers/kanani.

> > > pr.pdf

> > >

> > > Please read that.

> > > This was in 1200 AD.

> > >

> > > This is why I said to each his own.

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Panditji, Surya Rao ji,

You two people make me wonder with the knowledge and sincerity you

have. Thanks for those words of wisdom.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, Surya Rao <suryarao12>

wrote:

>

> Dear Panditji,

>

> I am very much delighted to hear these words of wisdom. I hope all

sincere students of Jyotisha shall take note of it.

>

> As regards twins - if we try to figure out an explanation based on

our limited understanding, it is a case of anomaly when two souls find

a moment of Adhana as suitable based on the tattva configuration of

time. Karma may be different but their "approach to time" (as I may

call it) may be same in some 'integrated effect' and so birth follows

successively. Now the difference between the Karma and its projection

to time i.e 2 different Karma functions when projected leading to the

same time - is an anomaly and so in their lives Jyotisha cannot meet

with full demonstration. I hope the intricacy can be comprehended from

what is expressed above.

>

> You have spoken very correctly and there is urgent need for a review

of the new revelations in Jyotisha which lack proper reasoning and

scientific testing with data.

>

> Surya Rao

Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> Namaste Rohiniranjan,

>

> Yes one can argue that. I have thought a bit about twins and I feel

that we are going too much gung ho trying to explain everything under

the sky with this tool called jyotish. Some even equate it to

superscience and so are compelled to explain everything. In this

pursuit we are inventing new principles and are getting caught in a

whiirlpool. May be like Abhimanyu going into chakravyuva, having no

clue how to get out of it.

>

> To me twins are a minute percentage of population and from a

practical standpoint , I am not willing to throw out things that work

and there is evidence of them working just to accomodate something

that can not be explained. I am sure you are well aware that all these

new theories propagated as new age awakening of jyotish can not

explain twins either, so they go on formulating new escape routes to

get out of quandry they find themselves in. So , if the twins have

same navansha, their spouses should be very similar and all the

marital patterns should be same. As this is not found in practice,

they go on inventing new parameters to explain away things.

>

> Just because we can not explain or formulate unified field theory

that explains everything, we do not throw away the things that work,

like newton's laws are not thrown out.

>

> ...

>

>

> On 11/4/05, rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: Panditji,

>

> I can think of one situation where even though the parent (rashi)

> does not die (as in get thrown away/discarded) the vargas get a new

> lease in responsibility. This would be in case of twins that are

born

> very close to each other (few minutes). The two would have identical

> dasha and rashi and even some of the larger vargas, but their fates

> it has been empirically seen, could be very different. How to

explain

> differences in such cases?

>

> RR

>

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sreenadh,

> > I agree when you say Vargas, NOT varga charts. I do not think

> there are

> > separate charts, there are only vargas or amshas. The

justification

> given to

> > use of divisions as separate charts in the form of examples is all

> after the

> > fact, rear view mirror jyotish. As people increase the number of

> parameters

> > they use,start using dashas in vargas, it is not surprising to see

> any event

> > in any chart. If one thinks logically, they will realize that with

> these

> > techniques, every graha will qualify to give every possible

result,

> ofcourse

> > the event has to be known before hand. If one is predicting, try

> using these

> > myriads of parameters and try to predict and you will soon see

that

> it does

> > not work.

> > Someone had given an analogy of parent and child to say that

child

> comes

> > from parent but has a separate existence. This is a faulty

analogy,

> as even

> > after parent dies the child lives on. But here if the rashi chart

> dies so do

> > all the divisions.Divisions have no separate existence, it is

>

> > impossible.Ifyou only think logically and not get swayed and awed

by

> > the amout of

> > technical terms thrown your way, you will see through this as

well.

> > If you are a new student and think that you can not predict using

> all these

> > techniques. Do not blame it on your inexperience, beleive me ,the

> so called

> > gurus who use these techniques can not predict it consistently

> either.

> > ...

> >

> > On 11/3/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > In this conversation at one point PVR says,

> > > >My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything

and

> > > divisional charts are to >be used only to "confirm". If you say

> that

> > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines >and divisional

charts

> > > give finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no

> problem.

> > > If >so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be seen

> in

> > > rasi chart and what kinds of >finer details are to be seen in

> > > divisions.

> > > I agree with PVR's objection to the view that - rasi chart shows

> > > everything and divisional charts are to be used only

> to 'confirm'. In

> > > PVR's words "If you say that rasi charts lays down some basic

> > > guidelines and divisional charts give finer details that are not

> in

> > > the rasi chart, I have no problem.". I agree with it as well, if

> he

> > > means Vargas when using the word 'divisional charts'. As per

what

> > > factors to be identified in Vargas, classics give much evidence.

> > > Rasi chart lays down some basic guidelines and Vargas give finer

> > > details that could not be seen (actually they are present in

Rasi

> > > chart but we need to use Vargas to see them) from the Rasi

> chart. - As

> > > per my understanding this is the view the classics support.

> > > Essentially this means that even if we could see some unseen

> > > possibilities/predictions using Vargas, we cannot say that they

> are

> > > not present in Rasi chart, even though were unable to see them

> using

> > > the Rasi chart alone. Vargas gives us a magnified picture, with

> more

> > > details. Yes, it is similar to a magnified map.

> > > BTW: I am speaking about Vargas (not about 'charts') and not at

> all

> > > about D-charts (that are used independent of Rasi chart).

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 9:07 am

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.) pvr108

> > > Offline

> > > Send Email

> > >

> > > Dear Margaret,

> > >

> > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,

> > >

> > > Why should I? :-)

> > >

> > > Welcome to the party! ;-)

> > >

> > > > please ignore it if you do.

> > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

> second

> > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this

> wife

> > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects

that

> you

> > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind is

> > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone, not

> looking at

> > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > >

> > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > >

> > > I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe the

view

> of

> > > some others and not mine. They say that you first get a picture

of

> > > things with rasi and then "confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa etc.

> This

> > > is where my analogy comes into picture. If rasi shows that

> someone's

> > > wife is an engineer and navamsa shows that she is a lawyer, what

> do

> > > you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what rasi shows, it

> > > implies that it will be ignored when it is at loggerheads with

> rasi as

> > > rasi is given priority. This is like having two voters and the

> second

> > > voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") what the first

> voter

> > > said or be vetoed.

> > >

> > > In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the same

> thing.

> > > Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows certain OTHER

things.

> > > There is never an issue of a clash and a need for

reconciliation.

> > >

> > > The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence. The

> 7th

> > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

interacts

> > > with others (including spouse, professional partners, spiritual

> > > partners etc).

> > >

> > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

spouse's

> > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

> characteristics and

> > > how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To see

any

> > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

> > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions

> between

> > > rasi and navamsa charts.

> > >

> > > In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning. I see

> > > something in rasi and something else navamsa. They complement

and

> > > supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting

what

> the

> > > other shows).

> > >

> > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation

> or

> > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary

> data to

> > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

wife

> > > using navamsa alone?

> > >

> > > I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which spouses

> are

> > > seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara.

> > >

> > > In general, I find the idea that you see something in a chart

and

> then

> > > "confirm" it in another chart a little weird. To me, two charts

> are

> > > not like two people who have something to say about the SAME

> matter.

> > > Instead, two charts are like two people who have something to

say

> > > about two different, though perhaps related, matters.

> > >

> > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full

of

> > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > insights into the description of the partner.

> > >

> > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native

acts

> with

> > > partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

> qualities of

> > > the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa etc

(for

> > > marital partner, professional partner, spiritual partner etc -

> > > respectively).

> > >

> > > > In this light what you call a second voter, is what others see

> as

> > > more refinement of information and its interpretation.

> > >

> > > My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything and

> > > divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you say

> that

> > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and divisional

charts

> give

> > > finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no problem.

> If

> > > so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be seen in

> rasi

> > > chart and what kinds of finer details are to be seen in

divisions.

> > >

> > > That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out.

> > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > > Margaret

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

>

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> > > > Dear Nrasimha,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please ignore

> it if

> > > you do.

> > > >

> > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a

> second

> > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

this

> wife

> > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects

that

> you

> > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind is

> > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone, not

> looking at

> > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > >

> > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > > >

> > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation

> or

> > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary

> data to

> > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

wife

> > > using navamsa alone?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full

of

> > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > insights into the description of the partner. In this light

what

> > > you call a second voter, is what others see as more refinement

of

> > > information and its interpretation.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > Margaret

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > vedic astrology ;

>

> > > > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM

> > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To

> > > Narasimha.)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > others.

> > > >

> > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and

> > > Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a

> Mercurian

> > > sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why

I

> > > said all those things.

> > > >

> > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > >

> > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.

> > > >

> > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his

> father

> > > was a very

> > > > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and

an

> > > optimistic

> > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place.

I

> > > told him his

> > > > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he

> said

> > > it was all

> > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us

> > > understand your view

> > > > > point.

> > > >

> > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers

> > > without revealing data.

> > > >

> > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces.

> > > Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together

> in 3rd

> > > house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an

> optimistic

> > > disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I

> > > predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords,

> esp

> > > with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man.

> > > >

> > > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo.

> > > Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems.

> > > >

> > > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some

possibility

> > > and

> > > > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard

> method

> > > of many

> > > > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.

> > > >

> > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then

> > > "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make

> t6he

> > > use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for

> directions to

> > > a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the first

> > > person if the two persons give different directions.

> > > >

> > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two

> > > different things. There is no clash and there is no need for a

> > > reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show

> two

> > > views about the same side of the coin (in which case concepts

like

> > > "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).

> > > >

> > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native.

> > > Divisional charts show various environments. There are several

> objects

> > > and people who define each environment. For example, wife and

> wife's

> > > relatives are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of

the

> > > progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light

> > > exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things and

> > > people who define it. To see those objects/things/people, we can

> stick

> > > to the relevant divisional chart. But how the person operates in

> that

> > > environment, interacts with the objects/people of that

> environment and

> > > modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction

of

> rasi

> > > chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking

> about "mixing"

> > > rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about letting

each

> > > chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are two

> > > voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of

> having

> > > the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that

> cannot be

> > > filled in by another chart.

> > > >

> > > > I hope my view is a little better understood..

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and

> > > > > stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unambiguous.

> > > > >

> > > > > >Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > people's emotions etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > others.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN

> > > > > > navamsha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we

> > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT

> > > > > > > following parashar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN

> > > > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY

> > > > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and

> > > > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the

> > > > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > stick to navamsa as you say above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I

> > > > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got

> > > > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest

> > > > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and

> > > > > > asked me to help him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa

> > > > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly

> > > > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

> > > > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a

> > > > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic

> > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in

> > > > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot

> > > > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all

> > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I

> > > > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I

> > > > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his

> > > > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa

> > > > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed

> > > > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage

> > > > > > on his father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain

> > > > > > kind

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be

> > > > > > schizophrenic

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.

> > > > > > Rasi does not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

> > > > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments.

> > > > > > There are several objects and people who define each

> > > > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives

> > > > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> > > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

> > > > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each

> > > > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one

> > > > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people

> > > > > > who define it. How the person operates in that

> > > > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people

> > > > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is

> > > > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that

> > > > > > divisional chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free

> > > > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see

> > > > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make

> > > > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the

> > > > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out

> > > > > > any inconsistencies!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace

> > > > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and

> > > > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

> > > > > > laplace

> > > > > > > transform is unusable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to

> > > > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform

> > > > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:17 am

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > anuraagsharma27

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> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha,

> > >

> > > In the light of what you have said, how do the Rashi UL and the

> > > Navamsha UL stand in the scheme of interpretation that you use.

> > > Since the interaction of the native is to be seen in the Rashi

> > > Chakra, for what purpose would the UL in Navamsha be used? Will

> the

> > > relative location of the UL in the Rashi Chakra, relative to

Lagna

> > > and AL for example, hold sway over the relative location of the

UL

> > > in Navamsha, relative to Navamsha Lagna or the AL in Navamsha.

> > >

> > > Let us take the example of one's own chart (11th June, 1972; 10:

17

> > > AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India. Also, are you going to see

> > > the 'characteristics' of the spouse from the 7th Bhava in

> Navamsha/

> > > Kalatra Lagna or from the UL as well. Since the Rashi shows the

> > > physical environment, the Arudha showing the spouse (UL) would

> > > probably be seen in Rashi and Navamsha. Please clarify.

> > >

> > > In the given chart, for example, the physical interaction would

> show

> > > Guru ® in the 5th from Lagna as the UL Lord, showing perhaps a

> > > bond borne out of affection (5th). However, the UL in the

> Navamsha,

> > > perhaps linked more to the characterictics of the spouse is in

the

> > > 2nd House with Saturn in it. The Rashi UL also shows

> characetristics

> > > of the spouse according to the tachings at SJC. Even the

probable

> > > Lagna of the spouse can depend on it. Although, the location of

> the

> > > Rashi UL in the 8th would hint at unusualness or second marriage

> > > like the Navamsha, I am not sure you are seeing the 'same

things'

> > > from the Navamsha. The UL in Navamsha is 12th from AL. How is

this

> > > to be reconciled with the UL being in the 5th from the AL in

> Rashi?

> > >

> > > Please correct me if I am wrong here, but in order to see the

> status

> > > of the spouse, the location of the Rashi UL Lord in both Rashi

and

> > > Navamsha can be used. Thus, there is commonality in the two

charts

> > > here: in this chart, the Rashi UL is exalted but retrograde in

> > > Navamsha in MKS in Gajkesari Yoga. Would it give the effects of

> > > exaltation/ debility in Navamsha? These questions are incidental

> and

> > > asked to probe the linkages/interdependence/ indeed the

> independence

> > > of the Rashi and Navamsha Chakras.

> > >

> > > How are the Padas in the Navamsha be studied qua the Padas in

the

> > > Rashi Chart?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes and regards.

> > >

> > > Anurag Sharma.

> > >

> > >

> > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:49 am

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> jyothi_laksh.

> > > ..

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> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > >

> > > Can you please clarify some of my doubts that arose when I read

> your

> > > mail?

> > > You said

> > > "The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence. The

> 7th

> > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

interacts

> > > with others (including spouse, professional partners, spiritual

> > > partners etc).

> > >

> > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native

acts

> > > with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

> > > qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa,

> vimsamsa

> > > etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual

partner

> > > etc - respectively

> > >

> > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

spouse's

> > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

characteristics

> > > and how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To

see

> any

> > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

> > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions

> between

> > > rasi and navamsa charts."

> > >

> > > My doubt:

> > > Do you mean 7th house and 7th lord of rasi shows ONLY (as you

> > > said you STRICTLY USE) the interaction/relationship of Native to

> > > Others (native-> others/partners) and not backward

> (others/partners -

> > > > native)and Navamsa shows ONLY how Others/partners behave to

> native

> > > (Others->native)?

> > >

> > > If this is the case, then isn't (or shouldn't ) there be some

> > > indicating factor in Rasi chart to show the receptivity by the

> > > native? Because since Rasi shows the native, whatever that

> affects a

> > > native should also be indicated in a Rasi. Am I right? I mean,

> > > shouldn't there be an indication in Rasi chart (Rasi being a

> holistic

> > > chart)as to show what sort of treatment the native receives from

> > > people with whom he interacts including all types of partners?

> > > If yes, what or where is that indicator? Do you mean such an

> > > indication can be received only from Navamsa and not from Rasi?

> > > If Rasi shows only a one way relationship (outward from native),

> then

> > > how can it give an outline of what are the factors that affect a

> > > native? For eg, how can one say a divorce from a Rasi chart as

> > > divorce is an outcome of the bitter experiences a native

receives

> > > from his/her partner? Shouldnt there be an indication of the

> > > partners' reaction to the native in the Rasi chart?

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope you understood my doubt. If willing please clarify in

> simple

> > > terms, without using any complicated technical terms (like varga

> and

> > > all others) as I am not aware of such aspects.

> > >

> > >

> > > With respects,

> > > Jyothi.

> > >

> > >

> > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 12:27 pm

> > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> jyothi_laksh.

> > > ..

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> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > >

> > > Please can you clarify one more doubt. (wrt your same mail).

> > >

> > > Doesn't the `marital environment' which was on the `OTHER side(

> > > =spouse's side=Navamsa) before marriage come to ones own side

> > > (=native's =Rasi) after marriage?

> > >

> > > Where does that clubbing occur in Rasi chart? Or where in Rasi

> > > chart, the line is drawn? (Can we differentiate so?)

> > >

> > > Or is the interpretation time-dependant?

> > >

> > > In the case before marriage, I understand that the Navamsa shows

> the

> > > marital environment (spouse, spouse's relatives, family etc).

> > > But after marriage if one needs to check the `marital

> environment' of

> > > a person, which will you check? Rasi or Navamsa of that person?

> (as

> > > the spouse's environment now has a significant effect on

ones'own

> > > environment.)

> > >

> > > For eg:, Say a couple is undergoing a bad married life, one of

> them

> > > approaches you to check the prospects of their life. Which will

> you

> > > check? You will check the 'environment' in Rasi or Navamsa of

that

> > > person?

> > >

> > > I believe Rasi should definitely be checked. If correct, then

> isn't

> > > Rasi chart also showing the 'marital envronment' you mentioned?

> Not

> > > only the Navamsa?

> > >

> > > Or is it again time dependant - before marriage Navamsa and

after

> > > marriage Rasi?

> > >

> > > Please correct me whereever I am wrong in my perspective.

> > >

> > > With Respects,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 1:44 pm

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Throwing away rasi chart?

> > > nameisego

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> > >

> > > Friends,

> > > My grandfather was a legend in Gujarat. He used mainly Rasi

chart.

> > > I use mainly Rasi chart and have got a very fair amount of

> success in

> > > prognostications.

> > > If I am not mistaken, Chi. Narasimha's father uses Rasi chart

> mainly.

> > > and he is considered a very good astrologer for his predictive

> > > success.

> > > I think it is upto individual Jyothishi.

> > > To each his own.

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 5:19 pm

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] To all GURUS: Is Interpretation a

> > > personal choice? nameisego

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> > >

> > > Hello J. Lakshmi,

> > > an astrologer needs to have Vak Siddhhi.

> > > Apart from whatever tools an astrologer uses, God's anugraha,

> > > vaksiddhhi and purity of heart are very essential.

> > > I met one Surya Narayan Rao a pious Telugu Brahmin whoo was

> shishya of

> > > a Nadi Astrologer (Surya Nadi) also owned by a pious Brahmin

from

> > > Andhra .

> > > He used to tell me that he was one of the most thorough Ganita

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> > > and he could make most detailes chart but alas, he lamented that

> God

> > > had not given him Vaksiddhhi so he could never predict even

simple

> > > things from birth chart.

> > >

> > > Whereas people with vaksiddhhi can just have a glance at the

> chart and

> > > predict remarkable things .

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> > > poetry which was used by illiterate farmers to their utmost

> benefit.

> > > He gave some scientifically proven principles of weather

> behaviour by

> > > planetary positions and Tithi, Nakshtra and Vara etc.

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > Please read that.

> > > This was in 1200 AD.

> > >

> > > This is why I said to each his own.

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

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Dear Rohini Rajan,

In your words:

>To the best of my understanding, those who are advocating

>newer techniques and ways of exploring the Jyotish framework are not

>saying: Discard the old and accepted rules.

Yes, they are!! Not through there words, but through there actions.

Look, the D-charts have no classical grounds!! PVR says we should

THROW AWAY Rasi charts at times!! They are against the use of Vargas!!

Is that not enough?! (Panditji can see it and that is why that words

of wisdom!)

Again in your words:

> Given that we do not really know what the entire framework

> of jyotish and its rule-structures are, partly due to its

> vastness and partly to the fact that classics have

> not been received or survived fully -- in my humble view, the

> new 'technicians' as someone called them should be able to voice

>their view and findings also.

Yes, of course - But not by discarding classics, and going against

them!!

We are trying to revive the old system and rebuild the castle, NOT to

DESTROY it and create our own system - which the classics do not

warranty.

If you believe that the new 'technicians' are here to build there own

system, discarding the fruits of meditation put forward by the Rishis

- then I have nothing to say. Any one is free to follow his own path.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

>

> Panditji,

>

> I can see your position and views regarding jyotish, its

capabilities

> and boundaries.

>

> I fail to see, however, your analogy of Newton vs Unified as applied

> to jyotish. To the best of my understanding, those who are

advocating

> newer techniques and ways of exploring the Jyotish framework are not

> saying: Discard the old and accepted rules. To the contrary, some of

> the 'Newtonians' (using your analogical label in the sense

> of 'classic' vs 'new') seem to be vocally opposing and discouraging

> any attempts to explore further. Given that we do not really know

> what the entire framework of jyotish and its rule-structures are,

> partly due to its vastness and partly to the fact that classics have

> not been received or survived fully -- in my humble view, the

> new 'technicians' as someone called them should be able to voice

> their view and findings also. Of course, there is a bit of danger in

> going overboard but even Science has had its shares of 'cold'

fusions

> and 'elixirs' of life. Such is the nature of reality, and that is

> presumably more than Newtonian or Unified -- that only the germ

> survives and the shell gets thrown away, given sweet time. Nothing

to

> be concerned about with any urgency, is my view.

>

> Thanks for your thoughts on this topic.

>

> RR

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Rohiniranjan,

> > Yes one can argue that. I have thought a bit about twins and I

> feel that we

> > are going too much gung ho trying to explain everything under the

> sky with

> > this tool called jyotish. Some even equate it to superscience and

> so are

> > compelled to explain everything. In this pursuit we are inventing

> new

> > principles and are getting caught in a whiirlpool. May be like

> Abhimanyu

> > going into chakravyuva, having no clue how to get out of it.

> > To me twins are a minute percentage of population and from a

> practical

> > standpoint , I am not willing to throw out things that work and

> there is

> > evidence of them working just to accomodate something that can not

> be

> > explained. I am sure you are well aware that all these new

theories

> > propagated as new age awakening of jyotish can not explain twins

> either, so

> > they go on formulating new escape routes to get out of quandry

they

> find

> > themselves in. So , if the twins have same navansha, their spouses

> should be

> > very similar and all the marital patterns should be same. As this

> is not

> > found in practice, they go on inventing new parameters to explain

> away

> > things.

> > Just because we can not explain or formulate unified field theory

> that

> > explains everything, we do not throw away the things that work,

like

> > newton's laws are not thrown out.

> > ...

> >

> > On 11/4/05, rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Panditji,

> > >

> > > I can think of one situation where even though the parent

(rashi)

> > > does not die (as in get thrown away/discarded) the vargas get a

> new

> > > lease in responsibility. This would be in case of twins that are

> born

> > > very close to each other (few minutes). The two would have

> identical

> > > dasha and rashi and even some of the larger vargas, but their

> fates

> > > it has been empirically seen, could be very different. How to

> explain

> > > differences in such cases?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...

>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sreenadh,

> > > > I agree when you say Vargas, NOT varga charts. I do not think

> > > there are

> > > > separate charts, there are only vargas or amshas. The

> justification

> > > given to

> > > > use of divisions as separate charts in the form of examples is

> all

> > > after the

> > > > fact, rear view mirror jyotish. As people increase the number

of

> > > parameters

> > > > they use,start using dashas in vargas, it is not surprising to

> see

> > > any event

> > > > in any chart. If one thinks logically, they will realize that

> with

> > > these

> > > > techniques, every graha will qualify to give every possible

> result,

> > > ofcourse

> > > > the event has to be known before hand. If one is predicting,

try

> > > using these

> > > > myriads of parameters and try to predict and you will soon see

> that

> > > it does

> > > > not work.

> > > > Someone had given an analogy of parent and child to say that

> child

> > > comes

> > > > from parent but has a separate existence. This is a faulty

> analogy,

> > > as even

> > > > after parent dies the child lives on. But here if the rashi

> chart

> > > dies so do

> > > > all the divisions.Divisions have no separate existence, it is

> > > > impossible.Ifyou only think logically and not get swayed and

> awed by

> > > > the amout of

> > > > technical terms thrown your way, you will see through this as

> well.

> > > > If you are a new student and think that you can not predict

> using

> > > all these

> > > > techniques. Do not blame it on your inexperience, beleive

> me ,the

> > > so called

> > > > gurus who use these techniques can not predict it consistently

> > > either.

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > On 11/3/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > In this conversation at one point PVR says,

> > > > > >My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows

everything

> and

> > > > > divisional charts are to >be used only to "confirm". If you

> say

> > > that

> > > > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines >and divisional

> charts

> > > > > give finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no

> > > problem.

> > > > > If >so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be

> seen

> > > in

> > > > > rasi chart and what kinds of >finer details are to be seen

in

> > > > > divisions.

> > > > > I agree with PVR's objection to the view that - rasi chart

> shows

> > > > > everything and divisional charts are to be used only

> > > to 'confirm'. In

> > > > > PVR's words "If you say that rasi charts lays down some

basic

> > > > > guidelines and divisional charts give finer details that are

> not

> > > in

> > > > > the rasi chart, I have no problem.". I agree with it as

well,

> if

> > > he

> > > > > means Vargas when using the word 'divisional charts'. As per

> what

> > > > > factors to be identified in Vargas, classics give much

> evidence.

> > > > > Rasi chart lays down some basic guidelines and Vargas give

> finer

> > > > > details that could not be seen (actually they are present in

> Rasi

> > > > > chart but we need to use Vargas to see them) from the Rasi

> > > chart. - As

> > > > > per my understanding this is the view the classics support.

> > > > > Essentially this means that even if we could see some unseen

> > > > > possibilities/predictions using Vargas, we cannot say that

> they

> > > are

> > > > > not present in Rasi chart, even though were unable to see

them

> > > using

> > > > > the Rasi chart alone. Vargas gives us a magnified picture,

> with

> > > more

> > > > > details. Yes, it is similar to a magnified map.

> > > > > BTW: I am speaking about Vargas (not about 'charts') and not

> at

> > > all

> > > > > about D-charts (that are used independent of Rasi chart).

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>

> > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 9:07 am

> > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

pvr108

> > > > > Offline

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> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,

> > > > >

> > > > > Why should I? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Welcome to the party! ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > please ignore it if you do.

> > > > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of

having

> a

> > > second

> > > > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

> this

> > > wife

> > > > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects

> that

> > > you

> > > > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind

> is

> > > > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone, not

> > > looking at

> > > > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > > > >

> > > > > I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe the

> view

> > > of

> > > > > some others and not mine. They say that you first get a

> picture of

> > > > > things with rasi and then "confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa

> etc.

> > > This

> > > > > is where my analogy comes into picture. If rasi shows that

> > > someone's

> > > > > wife is an engineer and navamsa shows that she is a lawyer,

> what

> > > do

> > > > > you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what rasi

shows,

> it

> > > > > implies that it will be ignored when it is at loggerheads

with

> > > rasi as

> > > > > rasi is given priority. This is like having two voters and

the

> > > second

> > > > > voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") what the

> first

> > > voter

> > > > > said or be vetoed.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the

same

> > > thing.

> > > > > Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows certain OTHER

> things.

> > > > > There is never an issue of a clash and a need for

> reconciliation.

> > > > >

> > > > > The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence.

> The

> > > 7th

> > > > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

> interacts

> > > > > with others (including spouse, professional partners,

> spiritual

> > > > > partners etc).

> > > > >

> > > > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

> spouse's

> > > > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

> > > characteristics and

> > > > > how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To

see

> any

> > > > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see

the

> > > > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the

interactions

> > > between

> > > > > rasi and navamsa charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning. I

> see

> > > > > something in rasi and something else navamsa. They

complement

> and

> > > > > supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting

> what

> > > the

> > > > > other shows).

> > > > >

> > > > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this

> interpretation

> > > or

> > > > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the

necessary

> > > data to

> > > > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

> wife

> > > > > using navamsa alone?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which

> spouses

> > > are

> > > > > seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara.

> > > > >

> > > > > In general, I find the idea that you see something in a

chart

> and

> > > then

> > > > > "confirm" it in another chart a little weird. To me, two

> charts

> > > are

> > > > > not like two people who have something to say about the SAME

> > > matter.

> > > > > Instead, two charts are like two people who have something

to

> say

> > > > > about two different, though perhaps related, matters.

> > > > >

> > > > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely

> full of

> > > > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > > > insights into the description of the partner.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native

> acts

> > > with

> > > > > partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

> > > qualities of

> > > > > the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa etc

> (for

> > > > > marital partner, professional partner, spiritual partner etc

-

> > > > > respectively).

> > > > >

> > > > > > In this light what you call a second voter, is what others

> see

> > > as

> > > > > more refinement of information and its interpretation.

> > > > >

> > > > > My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows everything

> and

> > > > > divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you

say

> > > that

> > > > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and divisional

> charts

> > > give

> > > > > finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no

> problem.

> > > If

> > > > > so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be seen

> in

> > > rasi

> > > > > chart and what kinds of finer details are to be seen in

> divisions.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out.

> > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > Margaret

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > Dear Nrasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please

> ignore

> > > it if

> > > > > you do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of

having

> a

> > > second

> > > > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that

> this

> > > wife

> > > > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects

> that

> > > you

> > > > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind

> is

> > > > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone, not

> > > looking at

> > > > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this

> interpretation

> > > or

> > > > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the

necessary

> > > data to

> > > > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of this

> wife

> > > > > using navamsa alone?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely

> full of

> > > > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > > > insights into the description of the partner. In this

light

> what

> > > > > you call a second voter, is what others see as more

> refinement of

> > > > > information and its interpretation.

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > Margaret

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > vedic astrology ;

> > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM

> > > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To

> > > > > Narasimha.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > > > others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and

> > > > > Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a

> > > Mercurian

> > > > > sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is

> why I

> > > > > said all those things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

his

> > > father

> > > > > was a very

> > > > > > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge

> and an

> > > > > optimistic

> > > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his

> place. I

> > > > > told him his

> > > > > > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again,

> he

> > > said

> > > > > it was all

> > > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us

> > > > > understand your view

> > > > > > > point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some

pointers

> > > > > without revealing data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in

Pisces.

> > > > > Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were

> together

> > > in 3rd

> > > > > house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an

> > > optimistic

> > > > > disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra.

> So I

> > > > > predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th

> lords,

> > > esp

> > > > > with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous

> man.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in

> Leo.

> > > > > Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict

> problems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some

> possibility

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard

> > > method

> > > > > of many

> > > > > > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and

> then

> > > > > "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people

> make

> > > t6he

> > > > > use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for

> > > directions to

> > > > > a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the

> first

> > > > > person if the two persons give different directions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two

> > > > > different things. There is no clash and there is no need for

a

> > > > > reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT

> show

> > > two

> > > > > views about the same side of the coin (in which case

concepts

> like

> > > > > "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native.

> > > > > Divisional charts show various environments. There are

several

> > > objects

> > > > > and people who define each environment. For example, wife

and

> > > wife's

> > > > > relatives are part of the marital environment. Boss,

business

> > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part

> of the

> > > > > progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws

light

> > > > > exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things

> and

> > > > > people who define it. To see those objects/things/people, we

> can

> > > stick

> > > > > to the relevant divisional chart. But how the person

operates

> in

> > > that

> > > > > environment, interacts with the objects/people of that

> > > environment and

> > > > > modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the

> interaction of

> > > rasi

> > > > > chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking

> > > about "mixing"

> > > > > rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about

letting

> each

> > > > > chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are

> two

> > > > > voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose

of

> > > having

> > > > > the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that

> > > cannot be

> > > > > filled in by another chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope my view is a little better understood..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and

> > > > > > > stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unambiguous.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > > > people's emotions etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > > > others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN

> > > > > > > > navamsha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we

> > > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT

> > > > > > > > > following parashar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN

> > > > > > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY

> > > > > > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and

> > > > > > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the

> > > > > > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > > > stick to navamsa as you say above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I

> > > > > > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got

> > > > > > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest

> > > > > > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and

> > > > > > > > asked me to help him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa

> > > > > > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly

> > > > > > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

> > > > > > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a

> > > > > > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic

> > > > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in

> > > > > > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot

> > > > > > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all

> > > > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I

> > > > > > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I

> > > > > > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his

> > > > > > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa

> > > > > > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed

> > > > > > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage

> > > > > > > > on his father.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain

> > > > > > > > kind

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be

> > > > > > > > schizophrenic

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.

> > > > > > > > Rasi does not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

> > > > > > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments.

> > > > > > > > There are several objects and people who define each

> > > > > > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives

> > > > > > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> > > > > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

> > > > > > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each

> > > > > > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one

> > > > > > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people

> > > > > > > > who define it. How the person operates in that

> > > > > > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people

> > > > > > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is

> > > > > > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that

> > > > > > > > divisional chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free

> > > > > > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see

> > > > > > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make

> > > > > > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the

> > > > > > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out

> > > > > > > > any inconsistencies!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace

> > > > > > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and

> > > > > > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

> > > > > > > > laplace

> > > > > > > > > transform is unusable.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to

> > > > > > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform

> > > > > > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@>

> > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:17 am

> > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > > > anuraagsharma27

> > > > > Offline

> > > > > Send Email

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > In the light of what you have said, how do the Rashi UL and

> the

> > > > > Navamsha UL stand in the scheme of interpretation that you

> use.

> > > > > Since the interaction of the native is to be seen in the

Rashi

> > > > > Chakra, for what purpose would the UL in Navamsha be used?

> Will

> > > the

> > > > > relative location of the UL in the Rashi Chakra, relative to

> Lagna

> > > > > and AL for example, hold sway over the relative location of

> the UL

> > > > > in Navamsha, relative to Navamsha Lagna or the AL in

Navamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us take the example of one's own chart (11th June, 1972;

> 10:17

> > > > > AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India. Also, are you going to see

> > > > > the 'characteristics' of the spouse from the 7th Bhava in

> > > Navamsha/

> > > > > Kalatra Lagna or from the UL as well. Since the Rashi shows

> the

> > > > > physical environment, the Arudha showing the spouse (UL)

would

> > > > > probably be seen in Rashi and Navamsha. Please clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the given chart, for example, the physical interaction

> would

> > > show

> > > > > Guru ® in the 5th from Lagna as the UL Lord, showing

> perhaps a

> > > > > bond borne out of affection (5th). However, the UL in the

> > > Navamsha,

> > > > > perhaps linked more to the characterictics of the spouse is

> in the

> > > > > 2nd House with Saturn in it. The Rashi UL also shows

> > > characetristics

> > > > > of the spouse according to the tachings at SJC. Even the

> probable

> > > > > Lagna of the spouse can depend on it. Although, the location

> of

> > > the

> > > > > Rashi UL in the 8th would hint at unusualness or second

> marriage

> > > > > like the Navamsha, I am not sure you are seeing the 'same

> things'

> > > > > from the Navamsha. The UL in Navamsha is 12th from AL. How

is

> this

> > > > > to be reconciled with the UL being in the 5th from the AL in

> > > Rashi?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong here, but in order to see

the

> > > status

> > > > > of the spouse, the location of the Rashi UL Lord in both

> Rashi and

> > > > > Navamsha can be used. Thus, there is commonality in the two

> charts

> > > > > here: in this chart, the Rashi UL is exalted but retrograde

in

> > > > > Navamsha in MKS in Gajkesari Yoga. Would it give the effects

> of

> > > > > exaltation/ debility in Navamsha? These questions are

> incidental

> > > and

> > > > > asked to probe the linkages/interdependence/ indeed the

> > > independence

> > > > > of the Rashi and Navamsha Chakras.

> > > > >

> > > > > How are the Padas in the Navamsha be studied qua the Padas

in

> the

> > > > > Rashi Chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes and regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anurag Sharma.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:49 am

> > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > jyothi_laksh.

> > > > > ..

> > > > > Offline

> > > > > Send Email

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please clarify some of my doubts that arose when I

> read

> > > your

> > > > > mail?

> > > > > You said

> > > > > "The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence.

> The

> > > 7th

> > > > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

> interacts

> > > > > with others (including spouse, professional partners,

> spiritual

> > > > > partners etc).

> > > > >

> > > > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native

> acts

> > > > > with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But,

the

> > > > > qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa,

> > > vimsamsa

> > > > > etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual

> partner

> > > > > etc - respectively

> > > > >

> > > > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

> spouse's

> > > > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

> characteristics

> > > > > and how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi.

To

> see

> > > any

> > > > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see

the

> > > > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the

interactions

> > > between

> > > > > rasi and navamsa charts."

> > > > >

> > > > > My doubt:

> > > > > Do you mean 7th house and 7th lord of rasi shows ONLY (as

you

> > > > > said you STRICTLY USE) the interaction/relationship of

Native

> to

> > > > > Others (native-> others/partners) and not backward

> > > (others/partners -

> > > > > > native)and Navamsa shows ONLY how Others/partners behave

to

> > > native

> > > > > (Others->native)?

> > > > >

> > > > > If this is the case, then isn't (or shouldn't ) there be

some

> > > > > indicating factor in Rasi chart to show the receptivity by

the

> > > > > native? Because since Rasi shows the native, whatever that

> > > affects a

> > > > > native should also be indicated in a Rasi. Am I right? I

mean,

> > > > > shouldn't there be an indication in Rasi chart (Rasi being a

> > > holistic

> > > > > chart)as to show what sort of treatment the native receives

> from

> > > > > people with whom he interacts including all types of

partners?

> > > > > If yes, what or where is that indicator? Do you mean such an

> > > > > indication can be received only from Navamsa and not from

> Rasi?

> > > > > If Rasi shows only a one way relationship (outward from

> native),

> > > then

> > > > > how can it give an outline of what are the factors that

> affect a

> > > > > native? For eg, how can one say a divorce from a Rasi chart

as

> > > > > divorce is an outcome of the bitter experiences a native

> receives

> > > > > from his/her partner? Shouldnt there be an indication of the

> > > > > partners' reaction to the native in the Rasi chart?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you understood my doubt. If willing please clarify in

> > > simple

> > > > > terms, without using any complicated technical terms (like

> varga

> > > and

> > > > > all others) as I am not aware of such aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With respects,

> > > > > Jyothi.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 12:27 pm

> > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > jyothi_laksh.

> > > > > ..

> > > > > Offline

> > > > > Send Email

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Please can you clarify one more doubt. (wrt your same mail).

> > > > >

> > > > > Doesn't the `marital environment' which was on the `OTHER

side

> (

> > > > > =spouse's side=Navamsa) before marriage come to ones own

side

> > > > > (=native's =Rasi) after marriage?

> > > > >

> > > > > Where does that clubbing occur in Rasi chart? Or where in

Rasi

> > > > > chart, the line is drawn? (Can we differentiate so?)

> > > > >

> > > > > Or is the interpretation time-dependant?

> > > > >

> > > > > In the case before marriage, I understand that the Navamsa

> shows

> > > the

> > > > > marital environment (spouse, spouse's relatives, family etc

).

> > > > > But after marriage if one needs to check the `marital

> > > environment' of

> > > > > a person, which will you check? Rasi or Navamsa of that

> person?

> > > (as

> > > > > the spouse's environment now has a significant effect on

> ones'own

> > > > > environment.)

> > > > >

> > > > > For eg:, Say a couple is undergoing a bad married life, one

of

> > > them

> > > > > approaches you to check the prospects of their life. Which

> will

> > > you

> > > > > check? You will check the 'environment' in Rasi or Navamsa

of

> that

> > > > > person?

> > > > >

> > > > > I believe Rasi should definitely be checked. If correct,

then

> > > isn't

> > > > > Rasi chart also showing the 'marital envronment' you

> mentioned?

> > > Not

> > > > > only the Navamsa?

> > > > >

> > > > > Or is it again time dependant - before marriage Navamsa and

> after

> > > > > marriage Rasi?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please correct me whereever I am wrong in my perspective.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Respects,

> > > > > Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 1:44 pm

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Throwing away rasi chart?

> > > > > nameisego

> > > > > Offline

> > > > > Send Email

> > > > >

> > > > > Friends,

> > > > > My grandfather was a legend in Gujarat. He used mainly Rasi

> chart.

> > > > > I use mainly Rasi chart and have got a very fair amount of

> > > success in

> > > > > prognostications.

> > > > > If I am not mistaken, Chi. Narasimha's father uses Rasi

chart

> > > mainly.

> > > > > and he is considered a very good astrologer for his

predictive

> > > > > success.

> > > > > I think it is upto individual Jyothishi.

> > > > > To each his own.

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 5:19 pm

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] To all GURUS: Is

> Interpretation a

> > > > > personal choice? nameisego

> > > > > Offline

> > > > > Send Email

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello J. Lakshmi,

> > > > > an astrologer needs to have Vak Siddhhi.

> > > > > Apart from whatever tools an astrologer uses, God's

anugraha,

> > > > > vaksiddhhi and purity of heart are very essential.

> > > > > I met one Surya Narayan Rao a pious Telugu Brahmin whoo was

> > > shishya of

> > > > > a Nadi Astrologer (Surya Nadi) also owned by a pious Brahmin

> from

> > > > > Andhra .

> > > > > He used to tell me that he was one of the most thorough

Ganita

> > > shastri

> > > > > and he could make most detailes chart but alas, he lamented

> that

> > > God

> > > > > had not given him Vaksiddhhi so he could never predict even

> simple

> > > > > things from birth chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whereas people with vaksiddhhi can just have a glance at the

> > > chart and

> > > > > predict remarkable things .

> > > > > I am attaching the URL of Bhadli Vakya of a Gujarati poet

who

> > > wrote

> > > > > poetry which was used by illiterate farmers to their utmost

> > > benefit.

> > > > > He gave some scientifically proven principles of weather

> > > behaviour by

> > > > > planetary positions and Tithi, Nakshtra and Vara etc.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> http://www.millenniumassessment.org/documents/bridging/papers/

kanani.

> > > > > pr.pdf

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read that.

> > > > > This was in 1200 AD.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is why I said to each his own.

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Panditji,

Yes, I understand.

> There are some in the D-chart campaign that are

> sincere and are genuine in their attempts, like narasimha.

> Many are just followers, and some are just

> trumpet blowers.

I know that and that is why I appreciate the efforts of PVR, even

though I know that they are (D-charts etc) against the principles the

classics point to!!

But as you said now the "trumpet blowers" are becoming many and

original path of astrology based on classics are getting discarded,

due to this "population explosion". As you said:

> People who are studying it for a few months then

> go on riling about stuff they have no good understanding of,

> quoting articles they read on the internet from their virtual

> gurus. Ofcourse one can beleive in anything they want and one

> is entitled to their own opinions.

> Fortunately, one is not entitled to their own facts.

Yes, I feel the same. Thanks for that good note.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

>

> Namaste Sreenadh,

> There are some in the D-chart campaign that are sincere and are

genuine in

> their attempts, like narasimha. Many are just followers, and some

are just

> trumpet blowers. With the medium of internet this is spreading like

wildfire

> with theories not well grounded and speculations being treated as

the next

> thing since sliced bread. People who are studying it for a few

months then

> go on riling about stuff they have no good understanding of, quoting

> articles they read on the internet from their virtual gurus.

Ofcourse one

> can beleive in anything they want and one is entitled to their own

opinions.

> Fortunately, one is not entitled to their own facts.

> ...

>

> On 11/5/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> >

> > Namasthe Paditji,

> > >Just because we can not explain or formulate unified field theory

> > >that explains everything, we do not throw away the things that

work,

> > >like newton's laws are not thrown out.

> > You said it well; I appreciate that sincerity, which the new

> > technicians of D-charts lack, that extra something that comes from

a

> > sincere heart,

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Rohiniranjan,

> > > Yes one can argue that. I have thought a bit about twins and I

> > feel that we

> > > are going too much gung ho trying to explain everything under

the

> > sky with

> > > this tool called jyotish. Some even equate it to superscience

and

> > so are

> > > compelled to explain everything. In this pursuit we are

inventing

> > new

> > > principles and are getting caught in a whiirlpool. May be like

> > Abhimanyu

> > > going into chakravyuva, having no clue how to get out of it.

> > > To me twins are a minute percentage of population and from a

> > practical

> > > standpoint , I am not willing to throw out things that work and

> > there is

> > > evidence of them working just to accomodate something that can

not

> > be

> > > explained. I am sure you are well aware that all these new

theories

> > > propagated as new age awakening of jyotish can not explain twins

> > either, so

> > > they go on formulating new escape routes to get out of quandry

they

> > find

> > > themselves in. So , if the twins have same navansha, their

spouses

> > should be

> > > very similar and all the marital patterns should be same. As

this

> > is not

> > > found in practice, they go on inventing new parameters to

explain

> > away

> > > things.

> > > Just because we can not explain or formulate unified field

theory

> > that

> > > explains everything, we do not throw away the things that work,

like

> > > newton's laws are not thrown out.

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 11/4/05, rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > I can think of one situation where even though the parent

(rashi)

> > > > does not die (as in get thrown away/discarded) the vargas get

a

> > new

> > > > lease in responsibility. This would be in case of twins that

are

> > born

> > > > very close to each other (few minutes). The two would have

> > identical

> > > > dasha and rashi and even some of the larger vargas, but their

> > fates

> > > > it has been empirically seen, could be very different. How to

> > explain

> > > > differences in such cases?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g

....>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sreenadh,

> > > > > I agree when you say Vargas, NOT varga charts. I do not

think

> > > > there are

> > > > > separate charts, there are only vargas or amshas. The

> > justification

> > > > given to

> > > > > use of divisions as separate charts in the form of examples

is

> > all

> > > > after the

> > > > > fact, rear view mirror jyotish. As people increase the

number of

> > > > parameters

> > > > > they use,start using dashas in vargas, it is not surprising

to

> > see

> > > > any event

> > > > > in any chart. If one thinks logically, they will realize

that

> > with

> > > > these

> > > > > techniques, every graha will qualify to give every possible

> > result,

> > > > ofcourse

> > > > > the event has to be known before hand. If one is predicting,

try

> > > > using these

> > > > > myriads of parameters and try to predict and you will soon

see

> > that

> > > > it does

> > > > > not work.

> > > > > Someone had given an analogy of parent and child to say that

> > child

> > > > comes

> > > > > from parent but has a separate existence. This is a faulty

> > analogy,

> > > > as even

> > > > > after parent dies the child lives on. But here if the rashi

> > chart

> > > > dies so do

> > > > > all the divisions.Divisions have no separate existence, it

is

> > > > > impossible.Ifyou only think logically and not get swayed and

> > awed by

> > > > > the amout of

> > > > > technical terms thrown your way, you will see through this

as

> > well.

> > > > > If you are a new student and think that you can not predict

> > using

> > > > all these

> > > > > techniques. Do not blame it on your inexperience, beleive

> > me ,the

> > > > so called

> > > > > gurus who use these techniques can not predict it

consistently

> > > > either.

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > On 11/3/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > In this conversation at one point PVR says,

> > > > > > >My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows

everything

> > and

> > > > > > divisional charts are to >be used only to "confirm". If

you

> > say

> > > > that

> > > > > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines >and

divisional

> > charts

> > > > > > give finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have

no

> > > > problem.

> > > > > > If >so, please try to identify what basic factors are to

be

> > seen

> > > > in

> > > > > > rasi chart and what kinds of >finer details are to be seen

in

> > > > > > divisions.

> > > > > > I agree with PVR's objection to the view that - rasi chart

> > shows

> > > > > > everything and divisional charts are to be used only

> > > > to 'confirm'. In

> > > > > > PVR's words "If you say that rasi charts lays down some

basic

> > > > > > guidelines and divisional charts give finer details that

are

> > not

> > > > in

> > > > > > the rasi chart, I have no problem.". I agree with it as

well,

> > if

> > > > he

> > > > > > means Vargas when using the word 'divisional charts'. As

per

> > what

> > > > > > factors to be identified in Vargas, classics give much

> > evidence.

> > > > > > Rasi chart lays down some basic guidelines and Vargas give

> > finer

> > > > > > details that could not be seen (actually they are present

in

> > Rasi

> > > > > > chart but we need to use Vargas to see them) from the Rasi

> > > > chart. - As

> > > > > > per my understanding this is the view the classics

support.

> > > > > > Essentially this means that even if we could see some

unseen

> > > > > > possibilities/predictions using Vargas, we cannot say that

> > they

> > > > are

> > > > > > not present in Rasi chart, even though were unable to see

them

> > > > using

> > > > > > the Rasi chart alone. Vargas gives us a magnified picture,

> > with

> > > > more

> > > > > > details. Yes, it is similar to a magnified map.

> > > > > > BTW: I am speaking about Vargas (not about 'charts') and

not

> > at

> > > > all

> > > > > > about D-charts (that are used independent of Rasi chart).

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>

> > > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 9:07 am

> > > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

pvr108

> > > > > > Offline

> > > > > > Send Email

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why should I? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Welcome to the party! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > please ignore it if you do.

> > > > > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of

having

> > a

> > > > second

> > > > > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say

that

> > this

> > > > wife

> > > > > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most

respects

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your

mind

> > is

> > > > > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone,

not

> > > > looking at

> > > > > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe

the

> > view

> > > > of

> > > > > > some others and not mine. They say that you first get a

> > picture of

> > > > > > things with rasi and then "confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa

> > etc.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is where my analogy comes into picture. If rasi shows that

> > > > someone's

> > > > > > wife is an engineer and navamsa shows that she is a

lawyer,

> > what

> > > > do

> > > > > > you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what rasi

shows,

> > it

> > > > > > implies that it will be ignored when it is at loggerheads

with

> > > > rasi as

> > > > > > rasi is given priority. This is like having two voters and

the

> > > > second

> > > > > > voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") what the

> > first

> > > > voter

> > > > > > said or be vetoed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the

same

> > > > thing.

> > > > > > Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows certain OTHER

> > things.

> > > > > > There is never an issue of a clash and a need for

> > reconciliation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The rasi chart shows the native and his physical

existence.

> > The

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

> > interacts

> > > > > > with others (including spouse, professional partners,

> > spiritual

> > > > > > partners etc).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

> > spouse's

> > > > > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

> > > > characteristics and

> > > > > > how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To

see

> > any

> > > > > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see

the

> > > > > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the

interactions

> > > > between

> > > > > > rasi and navamsa charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning.

I

> > see

> > > > > > something in rasi and something else navamsa. They

complement

> > and

> > > > > > supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or

rejecting

> > what

> > > > the

> > > > > > other shows).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this

> > interpretation

> > > > or

> > > > > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the

necessary

> > > > data to

> > > > > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of

this

> > wife

> > > > > > using navamsa alone?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which

> > spouses

> > > > are

> > > > > > seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In general, I find the idea that you see something in a

chart

> > and

> > > > then

> > > > > > "confirm" it in another chart a little weird. To me, two

> > charts

> > > > are

> > > > > > not like two people who have something to say about the

SAME

> > > > matter.

> > > > > > Instead, two charts are like two people who have something

to

> > say

> > > > > > about two different, though perhaps related, matters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely

> > full of

> > > > > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > > > > insights into the description of the partner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the

native

> > acts

> > > > with

> > > > > > partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, the

> > > > qualities of

> > > > > > the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa

etc

> > (for

> > > > > > marital partner, professional partner, spiritual partner

etc -

> > > > > > respectively).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > In this light what you call a second voter, is what

others

> > see

> > > > as

> > > > > > more refinement of information and its interpretation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows

everything

> > and

> > > > > > divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you

say

> > > > that

> > > > > > rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and divisional

> > charts

> > > > give

> > > > > > finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no

> > problem.

> > > > If

> > > > > > so, please try to identify what basic factors are to be

seen

> > in

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > chart and what kinds of finer details are to be seen in

> > divisions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > Margaret

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > Dear Nrasimha,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please

> > ignore

> > > > it if

> > > > > > you do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of

having

> > a

> > > > second

> > > > > > voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say

that

> > this

> > > > wife

> > > > > > has certain characteristics, quite negative in most

respects

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > pointed out. You don't look for a second voter, as your

mind

> > is

> > > > > > already made up by what you have read in navamsa alone,

not

> > > > looking at

> > > > > > anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second voter?'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this

> > interpretation

> > > > or

> > > > > > confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the

necessary

> > > > data to

> > > > > > be so confident that this is an accurate description of

this

> > wife

> > > > > > using navamsa alone?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely

> > full of

> > > > > > signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -

> > > > > > > insights into the description of the partner. In this

light

> > what

> > > > > > you call a second voter, is what others see as more

> > refinement of

> > > > > > information and its interpretation.

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > Margaret

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > vedic astrology ;

> > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart?

(To

> > > > > > Narasimha.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > > > > others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika

and

> > > > > > Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a

> > > > Mercurian

> > > > > > sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That

is

> > why I

> > > > > > said all those things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

his

> > > > father

> > > > > > was a very

> > > > > > > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge

> > and an

> > > > > > optimistic

> > > > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his

> > place. I

> > > > > > told him his

> > > > > > > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now.

Again,

> > he

> > > > said

> > > > > > it was all

> > > > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us

> > > > > > understand your view

> > > > > > > > point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some

pointers

> > > > > > without revealing data.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in

Pisces.

> > > > > > Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were

> > together

> > > > in 3rd

> > > > > > house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an

> > > > optimistic

> > > > > > disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house

Libra.

> > So I

> > > > > > predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th

> > lords,

> > > > esp

> > > > > > with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally

famous

> > man.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is

in

> > Leo.

> > > > > > Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict

> > problems.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some

> > possibility

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the

standard

> > > > method

> > > > > > of many

> > > > > > > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi

and

> > then

> > > > > > "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some

people

> > make

> > > > t6he

> > > > > > use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for

> > > > directions to

> > > > > > a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the

> > first

> > > > > > person if the two persons give different directions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show

two

> > > > > > different things. There is no clash and there is no need

for a

> > > > > > reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT

> > show

> > > > two

> > > > > > views about the same side of the coin (in which case

concepts

> > like

> > > > > > "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

native.

> > > > > > Divisional charts show various environments. There are

several

> > > > objects

> > > > > > and people who define each environment. For example, wife

and

> > > > wife's

> > > > > > relatives are part of the marital environment. Boss,

business

> > > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are

part

> > of the

> > > > > > progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws

light

> > > > > > exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects,

things

> > and

> > > > > > people who define it. To see those objects/things/people,

we

> > can

> > > > stick

> > > > > > to the relevant divisional chart. But how the person

operates

> > in

> > > > that

> > > > > > environment, interacts with the objects/people of that

> > > > environment and

> > > > > > modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the

> > interaction of

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking

> > > > about "mixing"

> > > > > > rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about

letting

> > each

> > > > > > chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there

are

> > two

> > > > > > voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose

of

> > > > having

> > > > > > the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role

that

> > > > cannot be

> > > > > > filled in by another chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope my view is a little better understood..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and

> > > > > > > > stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Unambiguous.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > > > > people's emotions etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite

> > > > > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and

> > > > > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of

> > > > > > > > others.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?

> > > > > > > > Your predictions are amazing !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN

> > > > > > > > > navamsha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we

> > > > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT

> > > > > > > > > > following parashar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN

> > > > > > > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY

> > > > > > > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and

> > > > > > > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the

> > > > > > > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do

> > > > > > > > > stick to navamsa as you say above.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I

> > > > > > > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got

> > > > > > > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest

> > > > > > > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and

> > > > > > > > > asked me to help him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa

> > > > > > > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to

> > > > > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for

> > > > > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his

> > > > > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to

> > > > > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other

> > > > > > > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly

> > > > > > > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him

> > > > > > > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a

> > > > > > > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic

> > > > > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in

> > > > > > > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot

> > > > > > > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all

> > > > > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I

> > > > > > > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I

> > > > > > > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his

> > > > > > > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa

> > > > > > > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed

> > > > > > > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage

> > > > > > > > > on his father.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain

> > > > > > > > > kind

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be

> > > > > > > > > schizophrenic

> > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.

> > > > > > > > > Rasi does not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a

> > > > > > > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments.

> > > > > > > > > There are several objects and people who define each

> > > > > > > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives

> > > > > > > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business

> > > > > > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

> > > > > > > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each

> > > > > > > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one

> > > > > > > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people

> > > > > > > > > who define it. How the person operates in that

> > > > > > > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people

> > > > > > > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is

> > > > > > > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that

> > > > > > > > > divisional chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free

> > > > > > > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see

> > > > > > > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make

> > > > > > > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the

> > > > > > > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out

> > > > > > > > > any inconsistencies!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace

> > > > > > > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do

> > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and

> > > > > > > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of

> > > > > > > > > laplace

> > > > > > > > > > transform is unusable.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to

> > > > > > > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform

> > > > > > > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@>

> > > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:17 am

> > > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > > > > anuraagsharma27

> > > > > > Offline

> > > > > > Send Email

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the light of what you have said, how do the Rashi UL

and

> > the

> > > > > > Navamsha UL stand in the scheme of interpretation that you

> > use.

> > > > > > Since the interaction of the native is to be seen in the

Rashi

> > > > > > Chakra, for what purpose would the UL in Navamsha be used?

> > Will

> > > > the

> > > > > > relative location of the UL in the Rashi Chakra, relative

to

> > Lagna

> > > > > > and AL for example, hold sway over the relative location

of

> > the UL

> > > > > > in Navamsha, relative to Navamsha Lagna or the AL in

Navamsha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us take the example of one's own chart (11th June,

1972;

> > 10:17

> > > > > > AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India. Also, are you going to see

> > > > > > the 'characteristics' of the spouse from the 7th Bhava in

> > > > Navamsha/

> > > > > > Kalatra Lagna or from the UL as well. Since the Rashi

shows

> > the

> > > > > > physical environment, the Arudha showing the spouse (UL)

would

> > > > > > probably be seen in Rashi and Navamsha. Please clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the given chart, for example, the physical interaction

> > would

> > > > show

> > > > > > Guru ® in the 5th from Lagna as the UL Lord, showing

> > perhaps a

> > > > > > bond borne out of affection (5th). However, the UL in the

> > > > Navamsha,

> > > > > > perhaps linked more to the characterictics of the spouse

is

> > in the

> > > > > > 2nd House with Saturn in it. The Rashi UL also shows

> > > > characetristics

> > > > > > of the spouse according to the tachings at SJC. Even the

> > probable

> > > > > > Lagna of the spouse can depend on it. Although, the

location

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > Rashi UL in the 8th would hint at unusualness or second

> > marriage

> > > > > > like the Navamsha, I am not sure you are seeing the 'same

> > things'

> > > > > > from the Navamsha. The UL in Navamsha is 12th from AL. How

is

> > this

> > > > > > to be reconciled with the UL being in the 5th from the AL

in

> > > > Rashi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong here, but in order to see

the

> > > > status

> > > > > > of the spouse, the location of the Rashi UL Lord in both

> > Rashi and

> > > > > > Navamsha can be used. Thus, there is commonality in the

two

> > charts

> > > > > > here: in this chart, the Rashi UL is exalted but

retrograde in

> > > > > > Navamsha in MKS in Gajkesari Yoga. Would it give the

effects

> > of

> > > > > > exaltation/ debility in Navamsha? These questions are

> > incidental

> > > > and

> > > > > > asked to probe the linkages/interdependence/ indeed the

> > > > independence

> > > > > > of the Rashi and Navamsha Chakras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How are the Padas in the Navamsha be studied qua the Padas

in

> > the

> > > > > > Rashi Chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes and regards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anurag Sharma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 11:49 am

> > > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > > jyothi_laksh.

> > > > > > ..

> > > > > > Offline

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please clarify some of my doubts that arose when I

> > read

> > > > your

> > > > > > mail?

> > > > > > You said

> > > > > > "The rasi chart shows the native and his physical

existence.

> > The

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native

> > interacts

> > > > > > with others (including spouse, professional partners,

> > spiritual

> > > > > > partners etc).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the

native

> > acts

> > > > > > with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But,

the

> > > > > > qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa,

dasamsa,

> > > > vimsamsa

> > > > > > etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual

> > partner

> > > > > > etc - respectively

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse,

> > spouse's

> > > > > > relatives etc. To see anything related to native's

> > characteristics

> > > > > > and how native interacts with people, I strictly use rasi.

To

> > see

> > > > any

> > > > > > characteristics of spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see

the

> > > > > > interaction between native and spouse, I see the

interactions

> > > > between

> > > > > > rasi and navamsa charts."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My doubt:

> > > > > > Do you mean 7th house and 7th lord of rasi shows ONLY (as

you

> > > > > > said you STRICTLY USE) the interaction/relationship of

Native

> > to

> > > > > > Others (native-> others/partners) and not backward

> > > > (others/partners -

> > > > > > > native)and Navamsa shows ONLY how Others/partners behave

to

> > > > native

> > > > > > (Others->native)?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If this is the case, then isn't (or shouldn't ) there be

some

> > > > > > indicating factor in Rasi chart to show the receptivity by

the

> > > > > > native? Because since Rasi shows the native, whatever that

> > > > affects a

> > > > > > native should also be indicated in a Rasi. Am I right? I

mean,

> > > > > > shouldn't there be an indication in Rasi chart (Rasi being

a

> > > > holistic

> > > > > > chart)as to show what sort of treatment the native

receives

> > from

> > > > > > people with whom he interacts including all types of

partners?

> > > > > > If yes, what or where is that indicator? Do you mean such

an

> > > > > > indication can be received only from Navamsa and not from

> > Rasi?

> > > > > > If Rasi shows only a one way relationship (outward from

> > native),

> > > > then

> > > > > > how can it give an outline of what are the factors that

> > affect a

> > > > > > native? For eg, how can one say a divorce from a Rasi

chart as

> > > > > > divorce is an outcome of the bitter experiences a native

> > receives

> > > > > > from his/her partner? Shouldnt there be an indication of

the

> > > > > > partners' reaction to the native in the Rasi chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you understood my doubt. If willing please clarify

in

> > > > simple

> > > > > > terms, without using any complicated technical terms (like

> > varga

> > > > and

> > > > > > all others) as I am not aware of such aspects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With respects,

> > > > > > Jyothi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b@>

> > > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 12:27 pm

> > > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)

> > > > jyothi_laksh.

> > > > > > ..

> > > > > > Offline

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please can you clarify one more doubt. (wrt your same

mail).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Doesn't the `marital environment' which was on the `OTHER

side

> > (

> > > > > > =spouse's side=Navamsa) before marriage come to ones own

side

> > > > > > (=native's =Rasi) after marriage?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where does that clubbing occur in Rasi chart? Or where in

Rasi

> > > > > > chart, the line is drawn? (Can we differentiate so?)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or is the interpretation time-dependant?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the case before marriage, I understand that the Navamsa

> > shows

> > > > the

> > > > > > marital environment (spouse, spouse's relatives, family

etc).

> > > > > > But after marriage if one needs to check the `marital

> > > > environment' of

> > > > > > a person, which will you check? Rasi or Navamsa of that

> > person?

> > > > (as

> > > > > > the spouse's environment now has a significant effect on

> > ones'own

> > > > > > environment.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For eg:, Say a couple is undergoing a bad married life,

one of

> > > > them

> > > > > > approaches you to check the prospects of their life. Which

> > will

> > > > you

> > > > > > check? You will check the 'environment' in Rasi or Navamsa

of

> > that

> > > > > > person?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I believe Rasi should definitely be checked. If correct,

then

> > > > isn't

> > > > > > Rasi chart also showing the 'marital envronment' you

> > mentioned?

> > > > Not

> > > > > > only the Navamsa?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or is it again time dependant - before marriage Navamsa

and

> > after

> > > > > > marriage Rasi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please correct me whereever I am wrong in my perspective.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Respects,

> > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 1:44 pm

> > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Throwing away rasi

chart?

> > > > > > nameisego

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friends,

> > > > > > My grandfather was a legend in Gujarat. He used mainly

Rasi

> > chart.

> > > > > > I use mainly Rasi chart and have got a very fair amount of

> > > > success in

> > > > > > prognostications.

> > > > > > If I am not mistaken, Chi. Narasimha's father uses Rasi

chart

> > > > mainly.

> > > > > > and he is considered a very good astrologer for his

predictive

> > > > > > success.

> > > > > > I think it is upto individual Jyothishi.

> > > > > > To each his own.

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Noname Noname <nameisego@>

> > > > > > Wed Nov 2, 2005 5:19 pm

> > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] To all GURUS: Is

> > Interpretation a

> > > > > > personal choice? nameisego

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello J. Lakshmi,

> > > > > > an astrologer needs to have Vak Siddhhi.

> > > > > > Apart from whatever tools an astrologer uses, God's

anugraha,

> > > > > > vaksiddhhi and purity of heart are very essential.

> > > > > > I met one Surya Narayan Rao a pious Telugu Brahmin whoo

was

> > > > shishya of

> > > > > > a Nadi Astrologer (Surya Nadi) also owned by a pious

Brahmin

> > from

> > > > > > Andhra .

> > > > > > He used to tell me that he was one of the most thorough

Ganita

> > > > shastri

> > > > > > and he could make most detailes chart but alas, he

lamented

> > that

> > > > God

> > > > > > had not given him Vaksiddhhi so he could never predict

even

> > simple

> > > > > > things from birth chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whereas people with vaksiddhhi can just have a glance at

the

> > > > chart and

> > > > > > predict remarkable things .

> > > > > > I am attaching the URL of Bhadli Vakya of a Gujarati poet

who

> > > > wrote

> > > > > > poetry which was used by illiterate farmers to their

utmost

> > > > benefit.

> > > > > > He gave some scientifically proven principles of weather

> > > > behaviour by

> > > > > > planetary positions and Tithi, Nakshtra and Vara etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > http://www.millenniumassessment.org/documents/bridging/papers/

kanani.

> > > > > > pr.pdf

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read that.

> > > > > > This was in 1200 AD.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is why I said to each his own.

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

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Dear PVR,

> Also, I disagree that one's knowledge/understanding is proportional

to

> the years/months spent on Jyotish.

I don't see anyone saying that "knowledge/understanding is

proportional to the years/months spent on Jyotish". Then how that

statement came into the conversation? Is it a hidden attack on

Panditji?

> It depends on one's vasanas, poorva karma, learning ability and the

guidance

> received. I see some people picking up in 2 years what took me 7-8

years to

> learn. Similarly, I see some people taking a decade to learn what

took me 2 years.

> It is highly personal.

Yes, I could see that all those just used to support/hide the original

intention.

> If someone has been learning astrology for just 2-3 years, I will

not

> put him/her down just because I've been seriously pursuing it for 11

> years and passively learning it for 25 years. That would be wrong.

> They may be more learned than me in some areas.

Yes, PVR ji you are trying very hard !!! And we appreciate the effort.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c

....> wrote:

>

> Namaste Panditji,

>

> Just wanted to point out that "followers", "trumpet blowers", fake

"virtual gurus" and armchair critics exist in all camps. Such people

may exist even in the camp that suggests that rasi chart is everything

and there are no varga "charts".

>

> But, when we meet someone on the lists, we always try to give the

benefit of doubt and treat the person with respect. There is a saying

in my mother tongue, which means "who knows which ant-hill has a snake

in it and which one doesn't".

>

> Also, I disagree that one's knowledge/understanding is proportional

to the years/months spent on Jyotish. It depends on one's vasanas,

poorva karma, learning ability and the guidance received. I see some

people picking up in 2 years what took me 7-8 years to learn.

Similarly, I see some people taking a decade to learn what took me 2

years. It is highly personal.

>

> If someone has been learning astrology for just 2-3 years, I will

not put him/her down just because I've been seriously pursuing it for

11 years and passively learning it for 25 years. That would be wrong.

They may be more learned than me in some areas.

>

> BTW, thank you for the kind personal comment.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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> > Namaste Sreenadh,

> > There are some in the D-chart campaign that are sincere and are

genuine in

> > their attempts, like narasimha. Many are just followers, and some

are just

> > trumpet blowers. With the medium of internet this is spreading

like wildfire

> > with theories not well grounded and speculations being treated as

the next

> > thing since sliced bread. People who are studying it for a few

months then

> > go on riling about stuff they have no good understanding of,

quoting

> > articles they read on the internet from their virtual gurus.

Ofcourse one

> > can beleive in anything they want and one is entitled to their own

opinions.

> > Fortunately, one is not entitled to their own facts.

> > ...

> >

> > On 11/5/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namasthe Paditji,

> > > >Just because we can not explain or formulate unified field

theory

> > > >that explains everything, we do not throw away the things that

work,

> > > >like newton's laws are not thrown out.

> > > You said it well; I appreciate that sincerity, which the new

> > > technicians of D-charts lack, that extra something that comes

from a

> > > sincere heart,

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...

>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Rohiniranjan,

> > > > Yes one can argue that. I have thought a bit about twins and I

> > > feel that we

> > > > are going too much gung ho trying to explain everything under

the

> > > sky with

> > > > this tool called jyotish. Some even equate it to superscience

and

> > > so are

> > > > compelled to explain everything. In this pursuit we are

inventing

> > > new

> > > > principles and are getting caught in a whiirlpool. May be like

> > > Abhimanyu

> > > > going into chakravyuva, having no clue how to get out of it.

> > > > To me twins are a minute percentage of population and from a

> > > practical

> > > > standpoint , I am not willing to throw out things that work

and

> > > there is

> > > > evidence of them working just to accomodate something that can

not

> > > be

> > > > explained. I am sure you are well aware that all these new

theories

> > > > propagated as new age awakening of jyotish can not explain

twins

> > > either, so

> > > > they go on formulating new escape routes to get out of quandry

they

> > > find

> > > > themselves in. So , if the twins have same navansha, their

spouses

> > > should be

> > > > very similar and all the marital patterns should be same. As

this

> > > is not

> > > > found in practice, they go on inventing new parameters to

explain

> > > away

> > > > things.

> > > > Just because we can not explain or formulate unified field

theory

> > > that

> > > > explains everything, we do not throw away the things that

work, like

> > > > newton's laws are not thrown out.

> > > > ...

>