Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then >"confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different >things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. If the Navamsha Ascendant Lord be exalted in an Angle, the native will become an emperor. If the Lords of the Moon Sign and Ascendant are in an Angle, the subject will be a wealthy king. (Lord of Navamsha of lagna when exalted in a Kendra - It is self explanatory.As ascendant is seperately mentioned one has no doubt on where to see this Kendra). Should the Moon be in the 4th House simultaneously falling in a watery Navamsha be with all her splendour, while a benefic is in its own House identical with the Ascendant and malefics are away from Angles,a king is born. (Moon in 4th house has digala.And when she has a watery navamsha her strength is enhanced - as she will have friendly influence(Cancer and water). After reading these shlokas from KalyanVrama what are you planning to throw and are we confirming. To me it looks like we are not just prepared to accept.It is very evident. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Namaste, > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > others. > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I said all those things. > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking. > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his father was a very > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place. I told him his > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he said it was all > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us understand your view > > point. > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers without revealing data. > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces. Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in 3rd house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an optimistic disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords, esp with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man. > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. Lord Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems. > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some possibility and > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard method of many > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too. > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6he use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for directions to a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the first person if the two persons give different directions. > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two views about the same side of the coin (in which case concepts like "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture). > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional charts show various environments. There are several objects and people who define each environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives are part of the marital environment. Boss, business partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who define it. To see those objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevant divisional chart. But how the person operates in that environment, interacts with the objects/people of that environment and modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing" rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about letting each chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are two voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of having the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that cannot be filled in by another chart. > > I hope my view is a little better understood.. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Namaste, > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and > > stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > Unambiguous. > > > > >Then I proceeded to > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > people's emotions etc. > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > others. > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN > > > navamsha. > > > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we > > > throw > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT > > > > following parashar. > > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do > > > stick to navamsa as you say above. > > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and > > > asked me to help him. > > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true. > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage > > > on his father. > > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then > > > how > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain > > > kind > > > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be > > > schizophrenic > > > > ? > > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not. > > > Rasi does not. > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments. > > > There are several objects and people who define each > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people > > > who define it. How the person operates in that > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that > > > divisional chart. > > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out > > > any inconsistencies! > > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do > > > than > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation > > > to > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one > > > can > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of > > > laplace > > > > transform is unusable. > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 If Narasimha is throwing away rashi chart and relying solely on Navansha for 7th bhava matters, it is completely against anything that I know about jyotish.I can give you exapmles a plenty when 7th in rashi from lagna and chadra is heavily afflicted then there are problems in 7th house affiairs. Look s like it is being proposed that we should throw away the main kundali and it should be used only for matters of physical self. This is a news to me and it goes against everything I have learnt and is completely against how jyotish is practised successfully by overwhelming majority. Vijaydas , I think it is better to withdraw from this debate, as these differences are beyond reconciliation. .... On 11/1/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Narasimha ji> To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then>"confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different>things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation.If the Navamsha Ascendant Lord be exalted in an Angle, the native will become an emperor. If the Lords of the Moon Sign and Ascendant are inan Angle, the subject will be a wealthy king.(Lord of Navamsha of lagna when exalted in a Kendra - It is selfexplanatory.As ascendant is seperately mentioned one has no doubt on where to see this Kendra).Should the Moon be in the 4th House simultaneously falling in a wateryNavamsha be with all her splendour, while a benefic is in itsown House identical with the Ascendant and malefics are away from Angles,a king is born.(Moon in 4th house has digala.And when she has a watery navamsha herstrength is enhanced - as she will have friendly influence(Cancer andwater).After reading these shlokas from KalyanVrama what are you planning to throw and are we confirming.To me it looks like we are not just prepared to accept.It is very evident.ThanksPradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<pvr@c...> wrote:>> Namaste,> > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite> > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of> > others.> > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipatain a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I said all thosethings.> > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?> > Your predictions are amazing !> > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking. > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his fatherwas a very> > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and anoptimistic> > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place. I told him his> > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he saidit was all> > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.> > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us understand your view> > point.> > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers withoutrevealing data.> > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces. Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in 3rd house.So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an optimisticdisposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So Ipredicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords, esp with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man.> > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. LordSun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems.> > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some possibility and> > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard method ofmany> > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too. > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then"confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6heuse of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for directions to a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the firstperson if the two persons give different directions.> > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two differentthings. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two views about thesame side of the coin (in which case concepts like "confirmation" and"reconciliation" come into picture).> > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional charts show various environments. There are several objects and peoplewho define each environment. For example, wife and wife's relativesare part of the marital environment. Boss, business partners,colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light exclusively on oneenvironment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who define it. Tosee those objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevantdivisional chart. But how the person operates in that environment, interacts with the objects/people of that environment andmodifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction of rasichart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing"rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about letting each chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are twovoters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of havingthe second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that cannot befilled in by another chart. > > I hope my view is a little better understood..> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > -------------------------------> > > Namaste,> > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and> > stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > Unambiguous.> > > > >Then I proceeded to> > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for> > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to> > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other> > > people's emotions etc.> > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > qualities in her viz "depression" and> > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of> > others.> > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?> > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN > > > navamsha.> > > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we> > > throw> > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT> > > > following parashar. > > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN> > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly.> > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and> > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do> > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do> > > stick to navamsa as you say above.> > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I> > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest> > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and> > > asked me to help him.> > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to> > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for> > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his> > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other> > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly> > > using navamsa and he said everything was true.> > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him> > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a> > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic> > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot> > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all> > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.> > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I> > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his> > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa> > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage> > > on his father.> > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then> > > how > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?> > > > > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain> > > kind> > > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be> > > schizophrenic> > > > ?> > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.> > > Rasi does not.> > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a> > > native. Divisional charts show various environments. > > > There are several objects and people who define each> > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives> > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business> > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each> > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one> > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people> > > who define it. How the person operates in that > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people> > > of that environment and modifies that environment is> > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that> > > divisional chart. > > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free> > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see> > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the> > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out> > > any inconsistencies!> > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do> > > than> > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and> > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation > > > to> > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one> > > can> > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of> > > laplace> > > > transform is unusable. > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to> > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform> > > from the space of zodiac onto itself.> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.html || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Namaste Pandit ji, To know what Narasimha thinks, please read what Narasimha wrote and not someone else's representation. Narasimha does not throw away rasi chart for all "7th bhava matters". He throws away rasi chart and relies on navamsa for some aspects of 7th house and mixes and rasi and navamsa for some others. I very clearly explained my view in a previous mail a couple of days back. Kindly read it to understand my views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Namaste, > If Narasimha is throwing away rashi chart and relying solely on Navansha > for 7th bhava matters, it is completely against anything that I know about > jyotish.I can give you exapmles a plenty when 7th in rashi from lagna and > chadra is heavily afflicted then there are problems in 7th house affiairs. > Look s like it is being proposed that we should throw away the main kundali > and it should be used only for matters of physical self. This is a news to > me and it goes against everything I have learnt and is completely against > how jyotish is practised successfully by overwhelming majority. Vijaydas , I > think it is better to withdraw from this debate, as these differences are > beyond reconciliation. > ... > > On 11/1/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then > > >"confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different > > >things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. > > > > > > If the Navamsha Ascendant Lord be exalted in an Angle, the native will > > become an emperor. If the Lords of the Moon Sign and Ascendant are in > > an Angle, the subject will be a wealthy king. > > > > (Lord of Navamsha of lagna when exalted in a Kendra - It is self > > explanatory.As ascendant is seperately mentioned one has no doubt on > > where to see this Kendra). > > > > Should the Moon be in the 4th House simultaneously falling in a watery > > Navamsha be with all her splendour, while a benefic is in its > > own House identical with the Ascendant and malefics are away from > > Angles,a king is born. > > > > (Moon in 4th house has digala.And when she has a watery navamsha her > > strength is enhanced - as she will have friendly influence (Cancer and > > water). > > > > After reading these shlokas from KalyanVrama what are you planning to > > throw and are we confirming. > > > > To me it looks like we are not just prepared to accept.It is very evident. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > > > others. > > > > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipata > > in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian sign and he > > was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I said all those > > things. > > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking. > > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his father > > was a very > > > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and an > > optimistic > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place. I > > told him his > > > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he said > > it was all > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us understand > > your view > > > > point. > > > > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers without > > revealing data. > > > > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces. Exalted > > 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in 3rd house. > > So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an optimistic > > disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I > > predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords, esp > > with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man. > > > > > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. Lord > > Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems. > > > > > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some possibility and > > > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard method of > > many > > > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too. > > > > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then > > "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6he > > use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for directions to > > a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the first > > person if the two persons give different directions. > > > > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different > > things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. > > They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two views about the > > same side of the coin (in which case concepts like "confirmation" and > > "reconciliation" come into picture). > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional > > charts show various environments. There are several objects and people > > who define each environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business partners, > > colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the progfessional > > environment. Each divisional chart throws light exclusively on one > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who define it. To > > see those objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevant > > divisional chart. But how the person operates in that environment, > > interacts with the objects/people of that environment and > > modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction of rasi > > chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing" > > rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about letting each > > chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are two > > voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of having > > the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that cannot be > > filled in by another chart. > > > > > > I hope my view is a little better understood.. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------ - > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > > ------------------------------ - > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and > > > > stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > > > > > Unambiguous. > > > > > > > > >Then I proceeded to > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > > > people's emotions etc. > > > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > > > others. > > > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN > > > > > navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we > > > > > throw > > > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT > > > > > > following parashar. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN > > > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY > > > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > > > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and > > > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do > > > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the > > > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do > > > > > stick to navamsa as you say above. > > > > > > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I > > > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got > > > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest > > > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and > > > > > asked me to help him. > > > > > > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa > > > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly > > > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true. > > > > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him > > > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a > > > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in > > > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot > > > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I > > > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I > > > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his > > > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa > > > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed > > > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage > > > > > on his father. > > > > > > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then > > > > > how > > > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be > > > > > schizophrenic > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not. > > > > > Rasi does not. > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a > > > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments. > > > > > There are several objects and people who define each > > > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives > > > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business > > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc > > > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each > > > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one > > > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people > > > > > who define it. How the person operates in that > > > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people > > > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is > > > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that > > > > > divisional chart. > > > > > > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free > > > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see > > > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make > > > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the > > > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out > > > > > any inconsistencies! > > > > > > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace > > > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do > > > > > than > > > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and > > > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation > > > > > to > > > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one > > > > > can > > > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of > > > > > laplace > > > > > > transform is unusable. > > > > > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to > > > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform > > > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself. > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- astrology<vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Pandit ji, PVR ji,Adi Purusha Das ji, I really supportive of Pandit ji's views. >when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and > stick to navamsa strictly. Dear PVR ji, That statement strictly means that you would like to throw away Rasi chart at least in analyzing some issues. At Pandit ji said: > If Narasimha is throwing away rashi chart and relying solely > on Navansha for 7th bhava matters, it is completely against > anything that I know about jyotish. I completely agree with it. Even if you try to compromise by saying that "He throws away rasi chart and relies on navamsa for some aspects of 7th house and mixes and rasi and navamsa for some others.", it is still the same. Since it means that "at times you take decisions solely based on navamsa (or some other) divisional chart". Which essentially means that you THROW AWAY rasi chart at times!! (By the way, please don't put this much Ego in statements. I am referring to the statement "To know what Narasimha thinks, please read what Narasimha wrote and not someone else's representation." And you are referring to yourself as "He". OK. that is a sideline. Don't give much importance). Like Adi Purusha Das ji asked: > what aspect rasi shows as opposed to divisional? > E.g., when rasi spells horrible matrimony and navamsa shows > smooth sailing what is the influence of rasi? As I understand Parasara is only speaking about the Varga called Navamsa and not Navamsa chart, but let us not consider it for a while and think that your argument is correct. Then how are you going to answer such a question based on classics, with out making *your own laws*? Whom to refer, to the classics or just to your views? The mail by Surya Rao comes to my mind. I will reproduce it below for every ones reference. ---------------------------- Surya Rao <suryarao12 Tue Nov 1, 2005 6:34 pm Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Throwing away rasi chart - 1 suryarao12 Dear Pradeepji, I am to offer you some food for thought - 1. Marriage happens when Guru transits 7th or aspects 7th of Rasi- Lagna. Why cannot marriage happen when the 7th of Varga is transited? 2. Varahamihira says - "Kujenduhetu pratimasamarthavam", because of Mars and Moon, menses occur for woman. Now to see the occurrence of menses, you have to see Moon in Rasi only. If you see the Moon-Mars influence in Varga of natal and transits it may happen every day and the better halves will be in very difficult condition. 3. If you look at Pregnancy and child birth, going by Rasi, 10 lunar months is the pregnancy period. But if you go by natal and transit Vargas, kids may take birth in few days or weeks or where Moon is 5th lord even on the same day - there can be correlations for fructification of Bhavas. 4. When menses happens or when a child is born, you look at Vargas - you can prove the truth of astrology with Vargas as in the case of Bush becoming President. But if you look at Vargas (natal and transit) and predict monthly programmes like menses or long period issues like pregnancy and child birth, you will not be very correct unless you have Siddhi. 5. President is elected once in 4 years. On the day of his election and at the time of declaration of results, you look at the Vargas natal and transits. Success or failure, both can be explained. Otherwise, how do you think astrology can survive? If he wins you close your eyes to the fact that Guru was Neecha in Varga and if he is doomed then you say that Guru is doomed in Varga and so Bush got doomed. Astrology is an art too - and you are yet to grasp the same in full. Your mind has poor imagination. I hope, now you understand the use of Vargas and Rasi. This is what my Guru taught me when I placed your postings before him. Surya Rao ---------------------------- What would you like to say about such things? Love, Sreenadh Message: 18 Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:01 -0500 "apd" <apd Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.) Dear Narasimha Ji, Namaste. Jay Jagannath! Thank you so much for sharing your understanding. By giving the world your fantastic Jagannatha Hora program and the books and so many hints and tips you are very generous! May I ask you a question on this essential subject? What you write is insightful and I would like to clarify one thing: according to BPHS (chapt. 24) both rasi and divisional charts have a say on any particular sphere in question, isn't it? In other words, though navamsa may be more important specificly for matrimony, rasi does have a say? My question is: what aspect rasi shows as opposed to divisional? E.g., when rasi spells horrible matrimony and navamsa shows smooth sailing what is the influence of rasi? Thank you very much! Humbly, Adi Purusha Das Message: 8 Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:51:46 -0000 "pvr108" <pvr Re: Throwing away rasi chart - 3 Namaste Pandit ji, To know what Narasimha thinks, please read what Narasimha wrote and not someone else's representation. Narasimha does not throw away rasi chart for all "7th bhava matters". He throws away rasi chart and relies on navamsa for some aspects of 7th house and mixes and rasi and navamsa for some others. I very clearly explained my view in a previous mail a couple of days back. Kindly read it to understand my views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Message: 5 Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:24:26 -0500 Panditji <navagraha Re: Re: Throwing away rasi chart - 3 Namaste, If Narasimha is throwing away rashi chart and relying solely on Navansha for 7th bhava matters, it is completely against anything that I know about jyotish.I can give you exapmles a plenty when 7th in rashi from lagna and chadra is heavily afflicted then there are problems in 7th house affiairs. Look s like it is being proposed that we should throw away the main kundali and it should be used only for matters of physical self. This is a news to me and it goes against everything I have learnt and is completely against how jyotish is practised successfully by overwhelming majority. Vijaydas , I think it is better to withdraw from this debate, as these differences are beyond reconciliation. ... On 11/1/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then > >"confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different > >things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. > > > If the Navamsha Ascendant Lord be exalted in an Angle, the native will > become an emperor. If the Lords of the Moon Sign and Ascendant are in > an Angle, the subject will be a wealthy king. > > (Lord of Navamsha of lagna when exalted in a Kendra - It is self > explanatory.As ascendant is seperately mentioned one has no doubt on > where to see this Kendra). > > Should the Moon be in the 4th House simultaneously falling in a watery > Navamsha be with all her splendour, while a benefic is in its > own House identical with the Ascendant and malefics are away from > Angles,a king is born. > > (Moon in 4th house has digala.And when she has a watery navamsha her > strength is enhanced - as she will have friendly influence(Cancer and > water). > > After reading these shlokas from KalyanVrama what are you planning to > throw and are we confirming. > > To me it looks like we are not just prepared to accept.It is very evident. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > > others. > > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipata > in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian sign and he > was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I said all those > things. > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking. > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his father > was a very > > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and an > optimistic > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place. I > told him his > > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he said > it was all > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us understand > your view > > > point. > > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers without > revealing data. > > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces. Exalted > 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in 3rd house. > So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an optimistic > disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I > predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords, esp > with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man. > > > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. Lord > Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems. > > > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some possibility and > > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard method of > many > > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too. > > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then > "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6he > use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for directions to > a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the first > person if the two persons give different directions. > > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different > things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. > They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two views about the > same side of the coin (in which case concepts like "confirmation" and > "reconciliation" come into picture). > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional > charts show various environments. There are several objects and people > who define each environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business partners, > colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the progfessional > environment. Each divisional chart throws light exclusively on one > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who define it. To > see those objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevant > divisional chart. But how the person operates in that environment, > interacts with the objects/people of that environment and > modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction of rasi > chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing" > rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about letting each > chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are two > voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of having > the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that cannot be > filled in by another chart. > > > > I hope my view is a little better understood.. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and > > > stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > > > Unambiguous. > > > > > > >Then I proceeded to > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > > people's emotions etc. > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > > others. > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN > > > > navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we > > > > throw > > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT > > > > > following parashar. > > > > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN > > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY > > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and > > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do > > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the > > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do > > > > stick to navamsa as you say above. > > > > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I > > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got > > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest > > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and > > > > asked me to help him. > > > > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa > > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly > > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true. > > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him > > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a > > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in > > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot > > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I > > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I > > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his > > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa > > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed > > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage > > > > on his father. > > > > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then > > > > how > > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind > > > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be > > > > schizophrenic > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not. > > > > Rasi does not. > > > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a > > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments. > > > > There are several objects and people who define each > > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives > > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc > > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each > > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one > > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people > > > > who define it. How the person operates in that > > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people > > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is > > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that > > > > divisional chart. > > > > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free > > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see > > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make > > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the > > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out > > > > any inconsistencies! > > > > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace > > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do > > > > than > > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and > > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation > > > > to > > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one > > > > can > > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of > > > > laplace > > > > > transform is unusable. > > > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to > > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform > > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself. > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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