Throwing away rasi chart?

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My grandfather was a legend in Gujarat. He used mainly Rasi chart.

I use mainly Rasi chart and have got a very fair amount of success in prognostications.

If I am not mistaken, Chi. Narasimha's father uses Rasi chart mainly. and he is

considered a very good astrologer for his predictive success.

I think it is upto individual Jyothishi.

To each his own.

Tatvam-Asijyothi_lakshmi_b <jyothi_lakshmi_b (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Respected Sir, Please can you clarify one more doubt. (wrt your same

mail).Doesn't the `marital environment' which was on the `OTHER side( =spouse's

side=Navamsa) before marriage come to ones own side (=native's =Rasi) after

marriage?Where does that clubbing occur in Rasi chart? Or where in Rasi chart,

the line is drawn? (Can we differentiate so?)Or is the interpretation

time-dependant? In the case before marriage, I understand that the Navamsa

shows the marital environment (spouse, spouse's relatives, family etc). But

after marriage if one needs to check the `marital environment' of a person,

which will you check? Rasi or Navamsa of that person? (as the spouse's

environment now has a significant effect on ones'own environment.) For

eg:, Say a couple is undergoing a bad married life, one of them approaches you

to check the prospects of their life. Which will you check? You will check the

'environment' in Rasi or Navamsa of that person?I believe Rasi should

definitely be checked. If correct, then isn't Rasi chart also showing the

'marital envronment' you mentioned? Not only the Navamsa? Or is it again time

dependant - before marriage Navamsa and after marriage Rasi?Please correct me

whereever I am wrong in my perspective.With Respects,Jyothi--- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>>

Dear Margaret,> > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post,> > Why

should I? :-)> > Welcome to the party! ;-)> > > please ignore it if you do.>

>

What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having a second voter' is

that your interpretation itself seemed to say that this wife has certain

characteristics, quite negative in most respects that you pointed out. You

don't look for a second voter, as your mind is already made up by what you have

read in navamsa alone, not looking at anything in rasi, what you define as a

'second voter?' > > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?> > I was

talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe the view of some others and

not mine. They say that you first get a picture of things with rasi and then

"confirm" it in navamsa, dasamsa etc. This is where my analogy comes into

picture. If rasi shows that someone's wife is an engineer and navamsa shows

that she is a lawyer, what do you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what

rasi shows, it implies that it will be ignored when it is

at loggerheads with rasi as rasi is given priority. This is like having two

voters and the second voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") what

the first voter said or be vetoed.> > In my scheme of things, the two voters

never vote on the same thing. Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows

certain OTHER things. There is never an issue of a clash and a need for

reconciliation.> > The rasi chart shows the native and his physical existence.

The 7th house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native interacts with

others (including spouse, professional partners, spiritual partners etc).> >

The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - spouse, spouse's relatives

etc. To see anything related to native's characteristics and how native

interacts with people, I strictly use rasi. To see any characteristics of

spouse, I strictly use navamsa. To see the

interaction between native and spouse, I see the interactions between rasi and

navamsa charts.> > In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning.

I see something in rasi and something else navamsa. They complement and

supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting what the other

shows).> > > My comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation or

confirm it, and how can you be sure you have all the necessary data to be so

confident that this is an accurate description of this wife using navamsa

alone?> > I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which spouses are

seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara.> > In general, I find the idea

that you see something in a chart and then "confirm" it in another chart a

little weird. To me, two charts are not like two people who have something to

say about the SAME

matter. Instead, two charts are like two people who have something to say about

two different, though perhaps related, matters.> > > I don't think that rasi

is a 'second voter' it is merely full of signs to be read to give additional

--sometimes primary -> > insights into the description of the partner.> > I

do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the native acts with partner

and how he approaches the relationship. But, the qualities of the partner are

to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, vimsamsa etc (for marital partner, professional

partner, spiritual partner etc - respectively).> > > In this light what you

call a second voter, is what others see as more refinement of information and

its interpretation.> > My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows

everything and divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you say

that

rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and divisional charts give finer

details that are not in the rasi chart, I have no problem. If so, please try to

identify what basic factors are to be seen in rasi chart and what kinds of finer

details are to be seen in divisions.> > That is what I did and came to

methodology I laid out.> > > best wishes> > Margaret> > May Jupiter's light

shine on us, > Narasimha>

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-------------------------------> > > Dear

Nrasimha,> > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, please ignore

it if you do.> > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of having

a second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say that this wife

has certain characteristics, quite negative in most respects that you pointed

out. You don't look for a second voter, as your mind is already made up by what

you have read in navamsa alone, not looking at anything in rasi, what you define

as a 'second voter?' > > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation?> > > > My

comment is what are you using to refine this interpretation or confirm it, and

how can you be sure you have all the necessary data to be so confident that

this is an accurate description of this wife using navamsa

alone?> > > > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is merely full

of signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary -> > insights into

the description of the partner. In this light what you call a second voter, is

what others see as more refinement of information and its interpretation.> >

best wishes> > Margaret> > > > > > - > >

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > vedic astrology ;

> > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:07 AM> >

Re: Throwing away rasi chart? (To Narasimha.)> > > > >

> Namaste,> > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite> > >

qualities in her viz "depression" and> > > selfish,manipulative,highly

analytical,unmindful of> > > others.> > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa

had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipata in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them

from a Mercurian sign and he was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is

why I said all those things.> > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?> > >

Your predictions are amazing !> > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively

speaking.> > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his

father was a very> > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge

and an optimistic> > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his

place. I told him

his> > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he said it

was all> > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.> > > > > > Will you

please give your analysis of above to help us understand your view> > >

point.> > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers

without revealing data.> > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It

was in Pisces. Exalted 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together

in 3rd house. So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an optimistic

disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I predicted

occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords, esp with Gaja-Kesari too,

made me think he was a locally famous man.> > > > In the

current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. Lord Sun is afflicted by

Saturn. This made me predict problems.> > > > > I generally use Rasi and

Navamsa to arrive at some possibility and> > > use relevant D-chart only to

confirm, as is the standard method of many> > > astrologers, including Shri

K.N.Rao too.> > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and

then "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6he use

of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for directions to a hotel for

confirmation and using the directions from the first person if the two persons

give different directions.> > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not

competitors. They show two different things. There is no clash and there is no

need for a reconciliation. They show two sides

of a coin. They do NOT show two views about the same side of the coin (in which

case concepts like "confirmation" and "reconciliation" come into picture).> > >

> Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional charts

show various environments. There are several objects and people who define each

environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives are part of the marital

environment. Boss, business partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc

are part of the progfessional environment. Each divisional chart throws light

exclusively on one environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who

define it. To see those objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevant

divisional chart. But how the person operates in that environment, interacts

with the objects/people of that environment and modifies/impacts that

environment is seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that

divisional chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing" rasi and divisional charts

and I am not talking about letting each chart vote and giving veto right to

rasi chart. If there are two voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the

purpose of having the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that

cannot be filled in by another chart.> > > > I hope my view is a little

better understood..> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha>

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Namaste,> > > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and>

> > stick to navamsa strictly.> > > > > > Unambiguous.> > > > > >

>Then I proceeded to> > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for> >

> > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his> > > > wife was

selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to> > > > depression, highly analytical

and unmindful of other> > > > people's emotions etc.> > > > >

> How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite> > > qualities in her viz

"depression" and> > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of> >

> others.> > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ?> > > Your

predictions are amazing !> > > > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

says, parashara says see spouse IN> > > > navamsha.> > > > > > > > > > So

then if the question is about navansha, do we> > > > throw> > > >

> away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if

you do not do so then you are NOT> > > > > following parashar. > > > > > >

> > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN> > > > navamsa". Thus,

when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY> > > > rasi and stick to navamsa

strictly.> > > > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and> > > >

relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do> > > > MIX rasi and navamsa.

But, when seeing the> > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do>

> > > stick to navamsa as you say above.> > > > >

> > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I> > > > knew nothing

about him, except the date he got> > > > married and the date he came to USA.

A priest> > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and> > > >

asked me to help him.> > > > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I

rectified navamsa> > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to> >

> > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for> > > > confirmation of the

navamsa. I told him that his> > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold,

prone to> > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other> > > >

people's emotions etc. I said all this

strictly> > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true.> > > > > >

> > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him> > > > his father was

a very sattwik and saintly man with a> > > > lot of occult knowledge and an

optimistic> > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in> > > >

his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot> > > > of problems right

now. Again, he said it was all> > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all.>

> > > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I> > > >

saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I> > > > mixed rasi and

navamsa to see his marriage

and his> > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa> > > >

to see his relationship with father. I even mixed> > > > navamsa and

dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage> > > > on his father.> > > > > >

> > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then> > > > how> > > > >

does one reconcile differences in the two charts ?> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain> > > > kind> > > > > > >

> > > Navansha says it is some some other kind > > > > > > > > > > Do you

conclude that the spouse will be> > > > schizophrenic> > > > > ?> > > > >

> > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not.> > > > Rasi does

not.> > > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a> >

> > native. Divisional charts show various environments.> > > > There are

several objects and people who define each> > > > environment. For example,

wife and wife's relatives> > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss,

business> > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc> > > >

are part of the progfessional environment. Each> > > > divisional chart

throws light exclusively on one> > > > environment, i.e. all the objects,

things and people> > > > who define it. How the person operates in that> >

> > environments and interacts with the objects/people> > > > of that

environment and modifies that environment is> > > > seen from the interaction

of rasi chart and that> > > > divisional chart.> > > > > > > > I do share

whatever little I know in the free> > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday

classes at Boston (see> > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to

make> > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the> > > > consistency

and coherency of my views and point out> >

> > any inconsistencies!> > > > > > > > > In mathematics there is something

called a Laplace> > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do> >

> > than> > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and> > > > >

operations one has to do a reverse trasformation> > > > to> > > > > the real

space to interpret the results. If one> > > > can> > > > > not perform a

reverse trasform the obetc of> > > > laplace> > > > > transform is

unusable.> > > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to> >

> > another. Navamsa and

dasamsa transforms transform> > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself.> >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha>

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