Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Panditji I have realized this.The only drive that keeps my head cool,is a Trust(on shri Narasimha) and a ray of optimism.i hope he is realizing this.Navamsha did not come out of air.It is the amsha of a planet having a role(related to a bhava) in Rashi chakra.It has no separate existence.It is looked w.r reference to rashi chakra and vice- versa.The strength of the lord of a sign forming navamsha for a planet, is again checked in Rashi chakra.These are well known points and if one is unable to see them - i have to soon start taking your advise. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > Namaste, > If Narasimha is throwing away rashi chart and relying solely on Navansha > for 7th bhava matters, it is completely against anything that I know about > jyotish.I can give you exapmles a plenty when 7th in rashi from lagna and > chadra is heavily afflicted then there are problems in 7th house affiairs. > Look s like it is being proposed that we should throw away the main kundali > and it should be used only for matters of physical self. This is a news to > me and it goes against everything I have learnt and is completely against > how jyotish is practised successfully by overwhelming majority. Vijaydas , I > think it is better to withdraw from this debate, as these differences are > beyond reconciliation. > ... > > On 11/1/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then > > >"confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different > > >things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. > > > > > > If the Navamsha Ascendant Lord be exalted in an Angle, the native will > > become an emperor. If the Lords of the Moon Sign and Ascendant are in > > an Angle, the subject will be a wealthy king. > > > > (Lord of Navamsha of lagna when exalted in a Kendra - It is self > > explanatory.As ascendant is seperately mentioned one has no doubt on > > where to see this Kendra). > > > > Should the Moon be in the 4th House simultaneously falling in a watery > > Navamsha be with all her splendour, while a benefic is in its > > own House identical with the Ascendant and malefics are away from > > Angles,a king is born. > > > > (Moon in 4th house has digala.And when she has a watery navamsha her > > strength is enhanced - as she will have friendly influence (Cancer and > > water). > > > > After reading these shlokas from KalyanVrama what are you planning to > > throw and are we confirming. > > > > To me it looks like we are not just prepared to accept.It is very evident. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > > > others. > > > > > > The Kalatra Lagna in navamsa had Saturn, Moon, Gulika and Vyatipata > > in a fiery sign. Mars was aspecting them from a Mercurian sign and he > > was joined by Upaketu and Artha Prahara. That is why I said all those > > things. > > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > > > I meant cold-hearted, figuratively speaking. > > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him his father > > was a very > > > > sattwik and saintly man with a lot of occult knowledge and an > > optimistic > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in his place. I > > told him his > > > > father is going thru a lot of problems right now. Again, he said > > it was all > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > > > > > Will you please give your analysis of above to help us understand > > your view > > > > point. > > > > > > The birthdata is confidential. But, I can give some pointers without > > revealing data. > > > > > > I judged the D-12 chart from pitri lagna. It was in Pisces. Exalted > > 5th lord Moon and lagna/10th lord Jupiter were together in 3rd house. > > So I predicted a saattwik and saintly man with an optimistic > > disposition. Ketu was with Yamaghantaka in 8th house Libra. So I > > predicted occult knowledge. Conjunction of lagna and 5th lords, esp > > with Gaja-Kesari too, made me think he was a locally famous man. > > > > > > In the current annual TP chart, pitri lagna of D-12 is in Leo. Lord > > Sun is afflicted by Saturn. This made me predict problems. > > > > > > > I generally use Rasi and Navamsa to arrive at some possibility and > > > > use relevant D-chart only to confirm, as is the standard method of > > many > > > > astrologers, including Shri K.N.Rao too. > > > > > > To me, it is not a matter of seeing something in rasi and then > > "confirming" it in navamsa or some other varga. Some people make t6he > > use of rasi and navamsa sound like asking two people for directions to > > a hotel for confirmation and using the directions from the first > > person if the two persons give different directions. > > > > > > To me, rasi and navamsa are not competitors. They show two different > > things. There is no clash and there is no need for a reconciliation. > > They show two sides of a coin. They do NOT show two views about the > > same side of the coin (in which case concepts like "confirmation" and > > "reconciliation" come into picture). > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a native. Divisional > > charts show various environments. There are several objects and people > > who define each environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business partners, > > colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc are part of the progfessional > > environment. Each divisional chart throws light exclusively on one > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people who define it. To > > see those objects/things/people, we can stick to the relevant > > divisional chart. But how the person operates in that environment, > > interacts with the objects/people of that environment and > > modifies/impacts that environment is seen from the interaction of rasi > > chart and that divisional chart. Again, I am talking about "mixing" > > rasi and divisional charts and I am not talking about letting each > > chart vote and giving veto right to rasi chart. If there are two > > voters and one voter has a veto right, what is the purpose of having > > the second voter? I see each chart having a unique role that cannot be > > filled in by another chart. > > > > > > I hope my view is a little better understood.. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------ - > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > > ------------------------------ - > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY rasi and > > > > stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > > > > > Unambiguous. > > > > > > > > >Then I proceeded to > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > > > people's emotions etc. > > > > > > > > How did you found to fit in diagonally opposite > > > > qualities in her viz "depression" and > > > > selfish,manipulative,highly analytical,unmindful of > > > > others. > > > > > > > > "Cold" do u mean cold blooded ? > > > > Your predictions are amazing ! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha says, parashara says see spouse IN > > > > > navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > So then if the question is about navansha, do we > > > > > throw > > > > > > away the rashi or the main kundali ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha , if you do not do so then you are NOT > > > > > > following parashar. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Parasara said "knowledge of spouses is IN > > > > > navamsa". Thus, when seeing spouses, I do THROW AWAY > > > > > rasi and stick to navamsa strictly. > > > > > > > > > > When seeing marriage, the interaction and > > > > > relationship between a native and spouse(s), I do > > > > > MIX rasi and navamsa. But, when seeing the > > > > > characteristics and fortune(s) of spouse(s), I do > > > > > stick to navamsa as you say above. > > > > > > > > > > Last week, someone came to me for consultation. I > > > > > knew nothing about him, except the date he got > > > > > married and the date he came to USA. A priest > > > > > introduced us at the local temple a week back and > > > > > asked me to help him. > > > > > > > > > > Based on the date of marriage, I rectified navamsa > > > > > lagna and was happy with it. Then I proceeded to > > > > > tell him a few characteristics of his wife for > > > > > confirmation of the navamsa. I told him that his > > > > > wife was selfish, manipulative, cold, prone to > > > > > depression, highly analytical and unmindful of other > > > > > people's emotions etc. I said all this strictly > > > > > using navamsa and he said everything was true. > > > > > > > > > > Based strictly on his dwadasamsa (D-12), I told him > > > > > his father was a very sattwik and saintly man with a > > > > > lot of occult knowledge and an optimistic > > > > > disposition and quite well-known and respected in > > > > > his place. I told him his father is going thru a lot > > > > > of problems right now. Again, he said it was all > > > > > true. I did not use rasi chart at all. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I saw his spouse strictly from navamsa and I > > > > > saw his father strictly from dwadasamsa. However, I > > > > > mixed rasi and navamsa to see his marriage and his > > > > > relationship with wife and mixed rasi and dwadasamsa > > > > > to see his relationship with father. I even mixed > > > > > navamsa and dwadasamsa to see the impact of marriage > > > > > on his father. > > > > > > > > > > > Also if divisional chart is a separate chart then > > > > > how > > > > > > does one reconcile differences in the two charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if rashi says spouse will be of a certain > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > > > Navansha says it is some some other kind > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you conclude that the spouse will be > > > > > schizophrenic > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa shows if the spouse is schizophrenic or not. > > > > > Rasi does not. > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chart is the overall physical existence of a > > > > > native. Divisional charts show various environments. > > > > > There are several objects and people who define each > > > > > environment. For example, wife and wife's relatives > > > > > are part of the marital environment. Boss, business > > > > > partners, colleagues, sub-ordinates, workplace etc > > > > > are part of the progfessional environment. Each > > > > > divisional chart throws light exclusively on one > > > > > environment, i.e. all the objects, things and people > > > > > who define it. How the person operates in that > > > > > environments and interacts with the objects/people > > > > > of that environment and modifies that environment is > > > > > seen from the interaction of rasi chart and that > > > > > divisional chart. > > > > > > > > > > I do share whatever little I know in the free > > > > > lessons I teach in my Sunday classes at Boston (see > > > > > the link in my signature). You are welcome to make > > > > > use of them to understand and appreciate the > > > > > consistency and coherency of my views and point out > > > > > any inconsistencies! > > > > > > > > > > > In mathematics there is something called a Laplace > > > > > > transform where some operations are easier to do > > > > > than > > > > > > in real space. But after the trasformations and > > > > > > operations one has to do a reverse trasformation > > > > > to > > > > > > the real space to interpret the results. If one > > > > > can > > > > > > not perform a reverse trasform the obetc of > > > > > laplace > > > > > > transform is unusable. > > > > > > > > > > Laplace transform transforms from one space to > > > > > another. Navamsa and dasamsa transforms transform > > > > > from the space of zodiac onto itself. > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- astrology<vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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