Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Friends Messrs Sreenadh and Menon, I wish you had given the source of information regarding "Yavana" Jyotishis being kings of Gujarat etc. and having become outcasts and mlechhas Without that information, it is just a mere conjecture. The facts of the matter are: Bhatotpala, in his commentary on Brihat Jatakam 7/9 says, "Yavanaeshswara Sphujidwaja had made another work on astrology immediately after the start of Shaka Era i.e. 78 AD. Varahamihira has also written the opinions of the predecessors of Yavaneshwara. I have not seen the astrological wroks of earlier Yavanacharyas but I have seen the wrok of Sphujidwaja". It means that the Yavanajataka of Sphujidwaja was availalble at the time Varahamihira (fifth century AD and also Bhatotpala (eighth century AD). Similarly, Alberuni says on page 158 of his Alberuni's India Vol. I, "There is another book larger than this (i.e. Kalyan Verma's Saravali) which contains the whole of astrological sciences of Yavana, i.e. belonging to the Greeks". Pt. S. B. Dikshit has said on page 637 (Hindi translation) of Bharaitya Jyotish, "Bhatotpala has called Sphujidwaja as Yavaneshwara and the shlokas he has quoted as from Yavanas are from that very book. This work is in Sanskrit. There is also available a work by Minaraja. It is also known as Vridha Yavana Jatakam. It has been said in that book (i.e. Vridha Yavana Jatakam) that the work of astrology of one hundred thousand verses that had been revealed to Maya by earlier jyotishis have been compressed into 8000 by Minaraja. Bhatotpala has quoted (chapter 1/5) the forms of Rashis etc. and the have been taken from Minaraja's book but thee are several other verses that are not available in Vridha yavana Jataka. It means the work of Sphujidwaja is different from that of Minaraja and the other Yavanacharyas of ages prior to Varahamihira are also other Yavanas besides the two i.e. Sphujidwaja and Minaraja". It is to be noted that "Maya, the Yavana" is also theone to whom te SuryaSidhanta was "revealed" and hi in turn revealed a hundred thousand verses of astrology to Minaraja! Now about the Yavnajataka from the libary of Nepal King having been manipulated by David Pingree: A work titled "History of Astronomy in India" has been published by Indian national Science Academy. It contains a collection of several research papers by prominent scholars. S. N. Sen,Secretary, Ramakrishna Cultural Mission of Calcuta and also formerly Registrar , Indian Associateion for the Cultivation of Science, Calcutta, has this to say in the chapter 'Survey of studies in European Languages' pages 101-103: "In 1959, Pingree reported briefly on a Greek linear planetary text written in Sanskrit, which provides a definite evidence of Babylonan methods and parameters in an astrological context. The text in question is the Yavana Jataka of Sphujidwaja dated AD 269/270, and contains in its last chapter 'astronomical instructions' intended to improve upon, or substitute for, those of the Vasishtha Sidhanta.. Fragments concerning the movements in arcs of Jupiter, Mars and Saturn are quoted, their translations given, and compared with Babylonian elements. Pingree concluded '...for the superior planets it has been demosntrated that the methods in use among those Greek astrologers who transmitted their learning to India in the second century after Christ were still closely related to those developed in Mesopotamia in the Seleuciid period'. It then gives the details of "udaya, sthita,asta and vakra" of planets like Jupiter, Mars and Saturn and compares these details of Babylonian origin with that of Yavanajataka. They agree to a great extent mutually. Then on page 103, the author says further, "The linear planetary theory is discussed in 62 verses of the last chapter 79 of the avanajatka. This is obviously a difficult chapter to follow and must be learnt thoroughly before one is able to practise astrology according to the teachings of the text. Pingree has given a masterly exposition of the various verses establishing their connections with ancient Greek and Latin astrologers like Antiochus, Atheniensis, Critodemus, Dorotheus Sidonius, Firmicus,---52 names have been given,as well as with later Indian astrologers who used this text or its teachings. Here we shall only refer to a few observations of Pingree with regard to the zodiac introduced in the few opening verses of chapter 1 because it has been known for a long time that the twelve signs of the zodiac were introduced into Indian astronomy through astrological sources of foreign origin. In presenting the zodiacal scheme, its three main aspects, e.g. iconography of the signs, their melothesia, and their topothesia, are described. Iconographically Sphujidhvaja's zodiac contains several features common to the Hellenistic one, some of which were of Egyptian-cum-Hellenistic origin, e.g. the man and woman depiction in the Mithuna with the club and the lyre agreeing with the Egyptian pair Shu and Tefnut, the figure of a maiden standing in a boat and holding a torch representing Virgin etc. ... "The Egyptians had dveloped the idea of correlating different signs of the zodiac with specific parts of the human body so as to produce a scheme of zodiacal melothesia. Out of this idea originated the erect cosmic man and the theory of microcosm and macrocosm in medical schools which became widespread in the ancient world. Sphujiddhvaja's scheme in which Aries is represnted by the head of the human body, Taurus by mouth and neck, Gemini by shoulders and arms, Cancer by chest, Leo by heart, Virgo by belly and so on was derived from Egyptian concepts. "The appearance of Sanskrit works of the class of Yavana Jataka also fits in well with the early political and economic history of India. During the Achemeid occupation (500 BC to 230 BC) and later unsettled conditions marked by the incursion of the Greeks, the Sakas, the Pahlavas and the Kusanas, Indian astronomy was introduced to Babylonian methods. At the beginning of the first century AD one branch of the Shakas, the Ksaharatas, established a kingdom in West India with Minanagara as their capital and Broach (Greek Barygaza) as their main trading post between India and the mediterranian countries. This branch succumbed to another Shaka dynasty, the Western Kshatrapas, of which the greatest king Rudradamana I ruled between AD 130 to 160 over a vast empire extending up to Kausambi in the north and Kalinga in the east. The ksatrapas were interested in astronomy, established their capital at Ujjayini and soon raised this city as the foremost centre for astronomical work 'the Greenwich of Inddian astronomy and the Arin of the Arabic and Latin astronomical treatises' Here in AD 150, Pingree informs us, Yavaneswhara, the Lord of the Greeks, translated into Sanskrit prose a Greek astrological text which had been written in Alexandria the preceding half century. This translation is not extant, but its subject matter has survived in the form of a thirteenth century palm-leaf manuscript of a versification of it carried out by Yavanaraja Sphudidhvaja in AD 269/270 to which a reference has just been made. In the second century AD another astrological text of the same type was translated into Sanskrit from a Greek original; this translation has not survived. This is known through references of Yavanaraja and Satya who utilized both the translations". ........ ...... ...... >From the abovve lengthy discussion of Shri Sen about Yavanajataka of Sphujidhvaja, it is clear that if at all it was some ruler of Guajart who had written this book, it must have been Sphujidhvaja the Yavaneshwara who had ruled Gujarat in those days and simultaneously written/compiled/tranlated Yavanajataka. It could not be some Gujarati king of Indian origin writing that book and then being thrown out as mlechha and a yavana! THIS ALSO ACCOUNTS FOR MORE GREEK THAN SANSKRIT WORDS IN BRIHAT JATAKAM, BRIHAT SAMHITA AND EVEN BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASTRAM -- SHOWING THEIR INDETENDESS TO THEIR GREEK ORIGIN! Or could it be that Maharshi Parashara had been to Greece to learn the words and the planetary combinations like nabhasa yogas, Sunapha,Anapaha,Durdhura and Kemadruma etc. yogas and having learnt all those tricks of the trade from Yavanas returned to India to teach us the great science of Maya the yavana! Dhanyavad. Mohan Jyotishi > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" > <sreelid> wrote: > > Dear Menon, > You are right in pointing out this fact. The Yevana > stream of > astrological thought has a great Guru-Sishya > parampara and should be > respected. They include- > 1. Yevaneswara (Considerd as Rishi) > 2. Spujidhwaja Yevana (An Indian King of Gujarath) > 3. Meena Raja Yevana (Also known as Vridha yevana - > Gujarath king?) > 4. Sritha Keerthi (A Hindu King) > 5. Haraji (Who wrote the Manasagari Jathaka > padhathi - A Gujarathi > Brahmin) > Most probably the family lost caste and that is why > they are > mentioned as 'Mlescha' by many. But of course we > should admit that > they have some connection out side India, which is > indicted by the > words they used, and also due to the fact that the > people lived out > side India were known as 'Mlescha' at the time of > Manusmrithi. The > name of Yevanewara who lived prior to Alaxandar was > included in the 18 > Rishis (by Parasara, Kasyapa and many others) who > are the founders of > the great astrological wisdom. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > "Kochu Menon" <kochu1@> > Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:51 am > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: condemning the > bible of astrology - > Mohan Jyotishi kochu1tz > Offline > Send Email > > is this that simple?? I wonder > > Satyaacharya speaks of yavana in the sloka - > > na kumbha lagnam shubhamaaha satya > > naa nyadhaaH yavannaH vadanti > > and in Varaha Hora > > Mihira says referring to drekkana swaroopas > > iti yavanopadishtam; iti yavanairudaahridam > > IMHO these references are to > > Sphoorjjitadhwaja Yavanaraja and his descendants and > not to Greeks. > > This great King of Gujarat wrote Yavana Jataka, > vruddha yavana jataka > etc. Till a copy was found in Nepal Maharaja's > library, the books were > deemed lost. It was published by Harvard U. The > publisher claimed it > is "Greek Astrology" on the basis of the author's > name being Yavana > Raja. The introduction in the original text mentions > his lineage and > that he is a King in present day Gujarat. > > Later there are indications that the family lost > caste - that maybe > the reason for referring to this lineage as Mlecha. > > I am not an expert. These are random thoughts. > > --- End forwarded message --- > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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