Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji, Using transits w.r to amsha/Rashi relation can be extremely useful,especially when used in the proper way. For this all of us have to work hard in understanding what an amsha is and how rashi/amsha are related.Thus i feel our ongoing discussions are really worthy.Your discussion points and queries have been really challenging and such from a learned astrologer like you has helped me in understanding and percieving the basics better. >>The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets in kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal Moon in *navamsa* is not mine. >>Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and attributes it to nadi texts. If you read my previous mails,i have mentioned the sambandha a planet is having from its place of occupation with another sign which is acting as navamsha. Shri Finn ,Chandrashekar ji etc have reiterated the importance and understanding of such mutual relationships.Thus these are very valid - only depends on how we use them.It has to be always in relation with natal position. >>Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by planets in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also not my original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in tradition use such transit analysis.>>Even Maharshi Jaimini refers to conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. When Sun is transiting the amsha contaning Ketu - This can be interpreted in two ways - a)Sun is transiting exactly the navamsha sector containing Ketu (very close and powerful influence) b)Sun is transiting the sign that is having role as navamsha.This will again have an influence through Sambandha. The main idea is to understand that all these are happening within the same circle,with sectors assuming different roles.Ketu is some times understood as Putrakaraka and sun the INITIATOR when is influencing such,and other indication are positive as well -one can predict child birth. But we have to do research without violating basics.When in doubt we can atleast make sure that well understood basics are not violated. >>Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August 20, 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") >>>When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October 31, Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. Natal degrees of Venus,Jupiter,Moon etc are close to the middle of Leo.Lagna too is placed next to those.Now Jupiter in transit is at 16 degrees in sag,and his 9th aspect will have maximum influence on the said degrees of natal planets and lagna in Rashi.Jupiter in transit is in 5th house from lagna,its natal position and natal moon.Mars Yogakaraka and 9th lord is also transiting 5th from lagna and influencing 5th from moon as well as lagna along with Brihaspati. The dispositor of all these planets is Sun.His Navamsha dispositor is Venus.He too is aspected by Brihaspati and Venus is transiting the 4th from lagna-Throne. Thus after the event we can find a lot of points(ofcourse valid).But for prediction we need to use proper techniques to consistent results. Thus i hope our discussions will mark a new beginning and continuity of research.Bringing in degrees again within Navamsha is moving from one navamsha on to another.This is only needed for justification of divisional charts.Thus i requesxt you to study transit influences of planets rashi/navamsha in line with teachings of sage,first.For this we have to understand the entities properly and use them in normal Bhava Analysis.This itself will take years.Then we can study transits w.r to rashi/amsha. Even after all these if we are not getting proper results(which i don't think) we can go for other methods.But just for understanding the above 2,itself we have to experiment a lot and it takes years.For the same reason Jyotish takes janmas to be understood properly.My only request to all members is - Please Treat Planets/Rashi/Amshas as part of the same entity a single Zodiac.The interrelationships between them holds the key.Nothing can be seen in isolation and such an attempt may be unwise.This is only my humble opinion and those better learned can hold their own views. I hope the great amount of knowledge in you will be spent towards this,bringing light back to Jyotish. Thanks a lot and respect. Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", we clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For now at least... > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did not resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and tradition that inspired me. > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets in kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal Moon in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me that that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could be taken. > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by planets in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also not my original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers to conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only generalized it, included aspects and included divisional longitudes for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is very little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, things that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly and laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. I share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who finds them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > * * * > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my views on transits in divisional charts. > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August 20, 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October 31, Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost office on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, at 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 in navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. When Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the blessings. > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit close to it took him down. > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord in dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close to this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had half aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which blessings are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows which blessings are going to be depleted. > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and when the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected by transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > * * * > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation given by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it welcome to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Namaste Paditji, > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can be > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references they > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts it is all > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga charts. > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. His > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on D- > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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