Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Dear Ranjan ji Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have addressed to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The points you are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as you have rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as indicationas towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and proper understanding of basics.Especially considering the institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era. To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a REALLY REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am pretty confident that our discussions have made us understood that,the basics are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope LORD will be kind on us. Thanks Pradeep In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and drishtis from > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and venus > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about varga > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an article, > probably here too in the files that gives more details. > > RR > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", we > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For now at > least... > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did not > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > tradition that inspired me. > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets in > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal Moon > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me that > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could be > taken. > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by planets > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also not my > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers to > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional longitudes > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is very > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, things > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly and > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. I > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who finds > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > * * * > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August 20, > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October 31, > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost office > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, at > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 in > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. When > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the blessings. > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit > close to it took him down. > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord in > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close to > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had half > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which blessings > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows which > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and when > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected by > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > * * * > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation given > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it welcome > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can be > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references they > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts it is > all > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga charts. > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. His > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on D- > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Vijay ji, Thanks for the link to this message of yours with 11 points on the forum. I will heed your advice and read it asap. Just to take up one point, if conjunction or yuti as classics in jyotish call it is not a drishti (based on how drishtis have been defined in drikbala and how yuti and drishti have been depicted in slokas some of which contain both and others one only of these terms - - details in my aforementioned article), it is clear to me, but may not be to others that when Kalyan Varma refers to drishtis between sun and mercury --which are almost never more than 28 degrees apart-- and sun and venus --which are never more than 45 or so degrees apart-- and hence cannot have 'drishtis between them in rashi, he was talking about such drishtis in varga charts. How else could the modern man explain the repeated reference to these planets and drishtis. One may, of course, as some have tried -- blame Kalyan Varma of having made errors and one private email indicated to me that Kalyan Varma probably had the 'classic' form of Alzheimers! Tha one rendered me speechless! What could I possibly say to such comments, so I chose not to answer back to that individual!! RR vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have addressed > to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The points you > are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as you have > rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as indicationas > towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and proper > understanding of basics.Especially considering the > institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era. > To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a REALLY > REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am pretty > confident that our discussions have made us understood that,the basics > are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. > > Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope LORD will > be kind on us. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and drishtis from > > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and venus > > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about varga > > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an article, > > probably here too in the files that gives more details. > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", we > > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For now at > > least... > > > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in > > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did not > > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > > tradition that inspired me. > > > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets in > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal Moon > > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me that > > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could be > > taken. > > > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by planets > > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also not my > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers to > > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional longitudes > > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is very > > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, things > > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly and > > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. I > > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who finds > > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my > > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August 20, > > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October 31, > > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost office > > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, at > > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 in > > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. When > > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the blessings. > > > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit > > close to it took him down. > > > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord in > > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close to > > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had half > > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 > > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. > > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa > > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which blessings > > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows which > > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and when > > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected by > > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation given > > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it welcome > > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can be > > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references they > > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts it is > > all > > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga charts. > > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. His > > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on D- > > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Dear Rohini ji Thanks for your mail. Aspects are based on longitudinal disposition between planet and planet or planet and another point.Thus this is irrespective of harmonic influences kshethra/navamsha etc. The aspects of planets do happen in the same zodiac.Thus the doubt of aspects in varga charts itself is not correct. Now a planet cannot aspect within 30 degrees and beyond 300 degrees.Thus your doubts are valid - whether they are aspects or yutis.Certainly by definition they cannot be full aspects. Also if we read those ,we can see that such results are given for all planets in a cyclical order.Thus it can be a general result. Thus either it can point to influences of one planet on another or it can include yuti as well in a loose fashion. This doubt regarding aspect in ''vargacharts'' is only our doubt.Vargas are already pointing to aspects(harmonic influences) within the same zodiac.Grahadrishti is purely ased on longitudes and it is very clear. Thanks vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Vijay ji, > > Thanks for the link to this message of yours with 11 points on the > forum. I will heed your advice and read it asap. > > Just to take up one point, if conjunction or yuti as classics in > jyotish call it is not a drishti (based on how drishtis have been > defined in drikbala and how yuti and drishti have been depicted in > slokas some of which contain both and others one only of these terms - > - details in my aforementioned article), it is clear to me, but may > not be to others that when Kalyan Varma refers to drishtis between > sun and mercury --which are almost never more than 28 degrees apart-- > and sun and venus --which are never more than 45 or so degrees apart-- > and hence cannot have 'drishtis between them in rashi, he was > talking about such drishtis in varga charts. How else could the > modern man explain the repeated reference to these planets and > drishtis. One may, of course, as some have tried -- blame Kalyan > Varma of having made errors and one private email indicated to me > that Kalyan Varma probably had the 'classic' form of Alzheimers! Tha > one rendered me speechless! What could I possibly say to such > comments, so I chose not to answer back to that individual!! > > RR > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have > addressed > > to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The points > you > > are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as you > have > > rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as indicationas > > towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and proper > > understanding of basics.Especially considering the > > institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era. > > To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a REALLY > > REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am pretty > > confident that our discussions have made us understood that,the > basics > > are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. > > > > Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope LORD > will > > be kind on us. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > > > > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and drishtis > from > > > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and venus > > > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about varga > > > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an article, > > > probably here too in the files that gives more details. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", > we > > > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For > now at > > > least... > > > > > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in > > > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did > not > > > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > > > tradition that inspired me. > > > > > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets > in > > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal > Moon > > > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > > > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me > that > > > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could > be > > > taken. > > > > > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by > planets > > > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also > not my > > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > > > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers > to > > > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > > > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional > longitudes > > > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is > very > > > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > > > > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, > things > > > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly > and > > > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. > I > > > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who > finds > > > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > > > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my > > > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August > 20, > > > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > > > > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October > 31, > > > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost > office > > > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, > at > > > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 > in > > > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > > > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. > When > > > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > > > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the > blessings. > > > > > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > > > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit > > > close to it took him down. > > > > > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord > in > > > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close > to > > > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > > > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > > > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had > half > > > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 > > > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. > > > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa > > > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which > blessings > > > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows > which > > > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > > > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and > when > > > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected > by > > > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation > given > > > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it > welcome > > > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can > be > > > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references > they > > > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts > it is > > > all > > > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga > charts. > > > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. > His > > > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on > D- > > > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 If you look at Kalyan Varmas work and where is says ravi apsecting shukra etc, please also read what results he attribtes to any of these combinations. Also he does not qualify in what vargas he is seeing these aspects. Should we then assume that if such an aspect ( I am assuming full aspects, I beleive that is being alluded to here) exists in any of vargas, then the said result will happen. What if it happens per your definition of varga charts in D-9, D10, D60 ? I can not imagine same results attributed regardless of the varga in happens in. This infact raises a few more questions than answers the one we are looking at. .... On 11/6/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Rohini jiThanks for your mail.Aspects are based on longitudinal disposition between planet and planet or planet and another point.Thus this is irrespective ofharmonic influences kshethra/navamsha etc.The aspects of planets do happen in the same zodiac.Thus the doubt ofaspects in varga charts itself is not correct. Now a planet cannot aspect within 30 degrees and beyond 300degrees.Thus your doubts are valid - whether they are aspects oryutis.Certainly by definition they cannot be full aspects.Also if we read those ,we can see that such results are given for all planets in a cyclical order.Thus it can be a general result.Thus either it can point to influences of one planet on another or itcan include yuti as well in a loose fashion.This doubt regarding aspect in ''vargacharts'' is only our doubt.Vargas are already pointing to aspects(harmonic influences)within the same zodiac.Grahadrishti is purely ased on longitudes andit is very clear.Thanks --- In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" < rrgb@s...> wrote:>> Vijay ji,> > Thanks for the link to this message of yours with 11 points on the > forum. I will heed your advice and read it asap.> > Just to take up one point, if conjunction or yuti as classics in > jyotish call it is not a drishti (based on how drishtis have been > defined in drikbala and how yuti and drishti have been depicted in > slokas some of which contain both and others one only of these terms - > - details in my aforementioned article), it is clear to me, but may > not be to others that when Kalyan Varma refers to drishtis between > sun and mercury --which are almost never more than 28 degrees apart-- > and sun and venus --which are never more than 45 or so degrees apart--> and hence cannot have 'drishtis between them in rashi, he was > talking about such drishtis in varga charts. How else could the > modern man explain the repeated reference to these planets and > drishtis. One may, of course, as some have tried -- blame Kalyan > Varma of having made errors and one private email indicated to me > that Kalyan Varma probably had the 'classic' form of Alzheimers! Tha > one rendered me speechless! What could I possibly say to such > comments, so I chose not to answer back to that individual!! > > RR> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> >> > Dear Ranjan ji> > > > Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have > addressed> > to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The points > you> > are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as you > have> > rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as indicationas> > towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and proper > > understanding of basics.Especially considering the> > institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era.> > To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a REALLY > > REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am pretty> > confident that our discussions have made us understood that,the > basics> > are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. > > > > Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope LORD > will> > be kind on us.> > > > Thanks> > Pradeep> > > > In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote:> > > > > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and drishtis > from > > > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and venus > > > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about varga > > > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an article, > > > probably here too in the files that gives more details.> > > > > > RR> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > < pvr@c...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", > we > > > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For > now at > > > least...> > > > > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in > > > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did > not > > > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics.> > > > > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > > > tradition that inspired me.> > > > > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets > in > > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal > Moon > > > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > > > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me > that > > > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could > be > > > taken.> > > > > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by > planets > > > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also > not my > > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > > > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers > to > > > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > > > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional > longitudes > > > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is > very > > > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works.> > > > > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, > things > > > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly > and > > > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. > I > > > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who > finds > > > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > > > Jyotish is over and I have to move on.> > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my > > > views on transits in divisional charts.> > > > > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August > 20, > > > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00")> > > > > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October > 31, > > > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost > office > > > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, > at > > > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 > in > > > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > > > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. > When > > > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > > > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the > blessings.> > > > > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > > > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit > > > close to it took him down. > > > > > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord > in > > > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close > to > > > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > > > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > > > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had > half > > > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa.> > > > > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 > > > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. > > > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa > > > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which > blessings > > > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows > which > > > blessings are going to be depleted.> > > > > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > > > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and > when > > > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected > by > > > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events.> > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation > given > > > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it > welcome > > > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so.> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > Namaste Paditji,> > > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can > be > > > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references > they > > > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts > it is > > > all > > > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas.> > > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga > charts. > > > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. > His > > > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on > D-> > > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well.> > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Astrology chart Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Can you please help in solving this issue. A native born in 29-sep-1979 Latitude: 016:57:N / Longitude: 082:13:E time : 10:58 PM in india Local Mean time. Lagna : Mithun Can you please predict how his mangal(Mars) dasa will be, because managal is malefic and is in neecha in second house. since second house is related to dhana stan how does his financial status will affect in this dasa. there are lot of openions that mangal is malefic and hence he will do good to native if he is in neecha stan.But i'm not able to come to a conclusion. how does ravi(sun) effects the native in his antar or maha dasas, as he is in uccha in D-9 chart? How his married life will be? as venus being lord of 5th and 12th house is in neecha. shall i say that a planet if it is malefic gives good results if he is in neecha? and vice versa... Thanks in advance Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 This question has been raised before. If Kalyan Varma had stated it clearly then there would not be any room for discussion or doubt. In such an instance, one has two options: a) go with the karakattwa. If venus is the planet and the reading stated refers to spouse the connection is obvious. b) if the reading refers to a matter to be studied under a specific varga, such as navamsha for spouse, then it can be taken as a pointer towards the specific varga in question. It is not definitive but less confusing than some may like to turn it into. The real question is: what to do when a given combination may show up in charts (any varga) and still the event or trait does not occur in the individual's life. Or in many individuals' lives! That does happen too, to make matters worse :-) RR vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > Namaste Rohiniranjan and Vijaydas, > If you look at Kalyan Varmas work and where is says ravi apsecting shukra > etc, please also read what results he attribtes to any of these > combinations. Also he does not qualify in what vargas he is seeing these > aspects. Should we then assume that if such an aspect ( I am assuming full > aspects, I beleive that is being alluded to here) exists in any of vargas, > then the said result will happen. What if it happens per your definition of > varga charts in D-9, D10, D60 ? I can not imagine same results attributed > regardless of the varga in happens in. This infact raises a few more > questions than answers the one we are looking at. > ... > > On 11/6/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > Aspects are based on longitudinal disposition between planet and > > planet or planet and another point.Thus this is irrespective of > > harmonic influences kshethra/navamsha etc. > > The aspects of planets do happen in the same zodiac.Thus the doubt of > > aspects in varga charts itself is not correct. > > > > Now a planet cannot aspect within 30 degrees and beyond 300 > > degrees.Thus your doubts are valid - whether they are aspects or > > yutis.Certainly by definition they cannot be full aspects. > > > > Also if we read those ,we can see that such results are given for all > > planets in a cyclical order.Thus it can be a general result. > > Thus either it can point to influences of one planet on another or it > > can include yuti as well in a loose fashion. > > This doubt regarding aspect in ''vargacharts'' is only our > > doubt.Vargas are already pointing to aspects(harmonic influences) > > within the same zodiac.Grahadrishti is purely ased on longitudes and > > it is very clear. > > > > Thanks > > vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Vijay ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the link to this message of yours with 11 points on the > > > forum. I will heed your advice and read it asap. > > > > > > Just to take up one point, if conjunction or yuti as classics in > > > jyotish call it is not a drishti (based on how drishtis have been > > > defined in drikbala and how yuti and drishti have been depicted in > > > slokas some of which contain both and others one only of these terms - > > > - details in my aforementioned article), it is clear to me, but may > > > not be to others that when Kalyan Varma refers to drishtis between > > > sun and mercury --which are almost never more than 28 degrees apart-- > > > and sun and venus --which are never more than 45 or so degrees apart-- > > > and hence cannot have 'drishtis between them in rashi, he was > > > talking about such drishtis in varga charts. How else could the > > > modern man explain the repeated reference to these planets and > > > drishtis. One may, of course, as some have tried -- blame Kalyan > > > Varma of having made errors and one private email indicated to me > > > that Kalyan Varma probably had the 'classic' form of Alzheimers! Tha > > > one rendered me speechless! What could I possibly say to such > > > comments, so I chose not to answer back to that individual!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > > > Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have > > > addressed > > > > to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The points > > > you > > > > are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as you > > > have > > > > rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as indicationas > > > > towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and proper > > > > understanding of basics.Especially considering the > > > > institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era. > > > > To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a REALLY > > > > REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am pretty > > > > confident that our discussions have made us understood that,the > > > basics > > > > are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. > > > > > > > > Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope LORD > > > will > > > > be kind on us. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and drishtis > > > from > > > > > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and venus > > > > > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about varga > > > > > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an article, > > > > > probably here too in the files that gives more details. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", > > > we > > > > > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For > > > now at > > > > > least... > > > > > > > > > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in > > > > > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did > > > not > > > > > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > > > > > tradition that inspired me. > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets > > > in > > > > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal > > > Moon > > > > > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > > > > > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me > > > that > > > > > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could > > > be > > > > > taken. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by > > > planets > > > > > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also > > > not my > > > > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > > > > > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers > > > to > > > > > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > > > > > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional > > > longitudes > > > > > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is > > > very > > > > > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, > > > things > > > > > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly > > > and > > > > > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. > > > I > > > > > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who > > > finds > > > > > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > > > > > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my > > > > > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August > > > 20, > > > > > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > > > > > > > > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October > > > 31, > > > > > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost > > > office > > > > > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, > > > at > > > > > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 > > > in > > > > > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > > > > > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. > > > When > > > > > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > > > > > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the > > > blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > > > > > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit > > > > > close to it took him down. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord > > > in > > > > > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close > > > to > > > > > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > > > > > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > > > > > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had > > > half > > > > > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 > > > > > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. > > > > > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa > > > > > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which > > > blessings > > > > > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows > > > which > > > > > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > > > > > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and > > > when > > > > > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected > > > by > > > > > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation > > > given > > > > > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it > > > welcome > > > > > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > > > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can > > > be > > > > > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references > > > they > > > > > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts > > > it is > > > > > all > > > > > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > > > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga > > > charts. > > > > > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. > > > His > > > > > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on > > > D- > > > > > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Dear Panditji, Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the absence of quotes that states the same. > What if it happens per your definition of > varga charts in D-9, D10, D60 ? I can not imagine > same results attributed regardless of the varga in > happens in. This infact raises a few more > questions than answers the one we are looking at. Yes. I agree with you. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > Namaste Rohiniranjan and Vijaydas, > If you look at Kalyan Varmas work and where is says ravi apsecting shukra > etc, please also read what results he attribtes to any of these > combinations. Also he does not qualify in what vargas he is seeing these > aspects. Should we then assume that if such an aspect ( I am assuming full > aspects, I beleive that is being alluded to here) exists in any of vargas, > then the said result will happen. What if it happens per your definition of > varga charts in D-9, D10, D60 ? I can not imagine same results attributed > regardless of the varga in happens in. This infact raises a few more > questions than answers the one we are looking at. > ... > > On 11/6/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > Aspects are based on longitudinal disposition between planet and > > planet or planet and another point.Thus this is irrespective of > > harmonic influences kshethra/navamsha etc. > > The aspects of planets do happen in the same zodiac.Thus the doubt of > > aspects in varga charts itself is not correct. > > > > Now a planet cannot aspect within 30 degrees and beyond 300 > > degrees.Thus your doubts are valid - whether they are aspects or > > yutis.Certainly by definition they cannot be full aspects. > > > > Also if we read those ,we can see that such results are given for all > > planets in a cyclical order.Thus it can be a general result. > > Thus either it can point to influences of one planet on another or it > > can include yuti as well in a loose fashion. > > This doubt regarding aspect in ''vargacharts'' is only our > > doubt.Vargas are already pointing to aspects(harmonic influences) > > within the same zodiac.Grahadrishti is purely ased on longitudes and > > it is very clear. > > > > Thanks > > vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Vijay ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the link to this message of yours with 11 points on the > > > forum. I will heed your advice and read it asap. > > > > > > Just to take up one point, if conjunction or yuti as classics in > > > jyotish call it is not a drishti (based on how drishtis have been > > > defined in drikbala and how yuti and drishti have been depicted in > > > slokas some of which contain both and others one only of these terms - > > > - details in my aforementioned article), it is clear to me, but may > > > not be to others that when Kalyan Varma refers to drishtis between > > > sun and mercury --which are almost never more than 28 degrees apart-- > > > and sun and venus --which are never more than 45 or so degrees apart-- > > > and hence cannot have 'drishtis between them in rashi, he was > > > talking about such drishtis in varga charts. How else could the > > > modern man explain the repeated reference to these planets and > > > drishtis. One may, of course, as some have tried -- blame Kalyan > > > Varma of having made errors and one private email indicated to me > > > that Kalyan Varma probably had the 'classic' form of Alzheimers! Tha > > > one rendered me speechless! What could I possibly say to such > > > comments, so I chose not to answer back to that individual!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > > > Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have > > > addressed > > > > to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The points > > > you > > > > are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as you > > > have > > > > rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as indicationas > > > > towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and proper > > > > understanding of basics.Especially considering the > > > > institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era. > > > > To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a REALLY > > > > REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am pretty > > > > confident that our discussions have made us understood that, the > > > basics > > > > are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. > > > > > > > > Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope LORD > > > will > > > > be kind on us. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and drishtis > > > from > > > > > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and venus > > > > > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about varga > > > > > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an article, > > > > > probably here too in the files that gives more details. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", > > > we > > > > > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For > > > now at > > > > > least... > > > > > > > > > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in > > > > > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did > > > not > > > > > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > > > > > tradition that inspired me. > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets > > > in > > > > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal > > > Moon > > > > > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > > > > > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me > > > that > > > > > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could > > > be > > > > > taken. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by > > > planets > > > > > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also > > > not my > > > > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > > > > > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers > > > to > > > > > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > > > > > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional > > > longitudes > > > > > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is > > > very > > > > > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, > > > things > > > > > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly > > > and > > > > > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. > > > I > > > > > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who > > > finds > > > > > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > > > > > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my > > > > > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August > > > 20, > > > > > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > > > > > > > > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October > > > 31, > > > > > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost > > > office > > > > > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, > > > at > > > > > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 > > > in > > > > > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > > > > > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. > > > When > > > > > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > > > > > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the > > > blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > > > > > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit > > > > > close to it took him down. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord > > > in > > > > > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close > > > to > > > > > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > > > > > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > > > > > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had > > > half > > > > > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 > > > > > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. > > > > > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa > > > > > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which > > > blessings > > > > > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows > > > which > > > > > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > > > > > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and > > > when > > > > > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/ aspected > > > by > > > > > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation > > > given > > > > > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it > > > welcome > > > > > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home. comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www. VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www. SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > > > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can > > > be > > > > > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references > > > they > > > > > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts > > > it is > > > > > all > > > > > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > > > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga > > > charts. > > > > > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. > > > His > > > > > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on > > > D- > > > > > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) com > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&c=1&s=21&. sig=UHLMW__OdoNR3BFIPFTjlg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology</ group/vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Dear PVR ji, Pandit ji, All, Why can't we start a detailed discussion on Vargas? Which may reveal many things, and our total understanding of the situation may improve. Why can't we take Hora, Drekkana, Chathurdhamsa as a separate issue and study and discuss in detail, 'how to predict with them?', with out using the charts. PVR ji, taught us well how to predict with D-charts, now can't we have a break, and discuss Vargas and there use for some time? Every system should be appreciated, validated against the classics, and understood properly. What is your opinion? I am especially expecting answers form respected PVR ji, and Panditji. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > Namaste Rohiniranjan and Vijaydas, > If you look at Kalyan Varmas work and where is says ravi apsecting shukra > etc, please also read what results he attribtes to any of these > combinations. Also he does not qualify in what vargas he is seeing these > aspects. Should we then assume that if such an aspect ( I am assuming full > aspects, I beleive that is being alluded to here) exists in any of vargas, > then the said result will happen. What if it happens per your definition of > varga charts in D-9, D10, D60 ? I can not imagine same results attributed > regardless of the varga in happens in. This infact raises a few more > questions than answers the one we are looking at. > ... > > On 11/6/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > Aspects are based on longitudinal disposition between planet and > > planet or planet and another point.Thus this is irrespective of > > harmonic influences kshethra/navamsha etc. > > The aspects of planets do happen in the same zodiac.Thus the doubt of > > aspects in varga charts itself is not correct. > > > > Now a planet cannot aspect within 30 degrees and beyond 300 > > degrees.Thus your doubts are valid - whether they are aspects or > > yutis.Certainly by definition they cannot be full aspects. > > > > Also if we read those ,we can see that such results are given for all > > planets in a cyclical order.Thus it can be a general result. > > Thus either it can point to influences of one planet on another or it > > can include yuti as well in a loose fashion. > > This doubt regarding aspect in ''vargacharts'' is only our > > doubt.Vargas are already pointing to aspects(harmonic influences) > > within the same zodiac.Grahadrishti is purely ased on longitudes and > > it is very clear. > > > > Thanks > > vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Vijay ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the link to this message of yours with 11 points on the > > > forum. I will heed your advice and read it asap. > > > > > > Just to take up one point, if conjunction or yuti as classics in > > > jyotish call it is not a drishti (based on how drishtis have been > > > defined in drikbala and how yuti and drishti have been depicted in > > > slokas some of which contain both and others one only of these terms - > > > - details in my aforementioned article), it is clear to me, but may > > > not be to others that when Kalyan Varma refers to drishtis between > > > sun and mercury --which are almost never more than 28 degrees apart-- > > > and sun and venus --which are never more than 45 or so degrees apart-- > > > and hence cannot have 'drishtis between them in rashi, he was > > > talking about such drishtis in varga charts. How else could the > > > modern man explain the repeated reference to these planets and > > > drishtis. One may, of course, as some have tried -- blame Kalyan > > > Varma of having made errors and one private email indicated to me > > > that Kalyan Varma probably had the 'classic' form of Alzheimers! Tha > > > one rendered me speechless! What could I possibly say to such > > > comments, so I chose not to answer back to that individual!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > > > Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have > > > addressed > > > > to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The points > > > you > > > > are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as you > > > have > > > > rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as indicationas > > > > towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and proper > > > > understanding of basics.Especially considering the > > > > institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era. > > > > To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a REALLY > > > > REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am pretty > > > > confident that our discussions have made us understood that, the > > > basics > > > > are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. > > > > > > > > Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope LORD > > > will > > > > be kind on us. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and drishtis > > > from > > > > > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and venus > > > > > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about varga > > > > > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an article, > > > > > probably here too in the files that gives more details. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga charts", > > > we > > > > > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For > > > now at > > > > > least... > > > > > > > > > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on transits in > > > > > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did > > > not > > > > > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > > > > > tradition that inspired me. > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets > > > in > > > > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal > > > Moon > > > > > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > > > > > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me > > > that > > > > > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could > > > be > > > > > taken. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by > > > planets > > > > > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also > > > not my > > > > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > > > > > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers > > > to > > > > > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > > > > > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional > > > longitudes > > > > > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is > > > very > > > > > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, > > > things > > > > > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly > > > and > > > > > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. > > > I > > > > > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who > > > finds > > > > > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > > > > > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh at" my > > > > > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August > > > 20, > > > > > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > > > > > > > > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October > > > 31, > > > > > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost > > > office > > > > > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, > > > at > > > > > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 > > > in > > > > > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > > > > > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. > > > When > > > > > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > > > > > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the > > > blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > > > > > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit > > > > > close to it took him down. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord > > > in > > > > > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close > > > to > > > > > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > > > > > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > > > > > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had > > > half > > > > > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 > > > > > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. > > > > > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa > > > > > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which > > > blessings > > > > > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows > > > which > > > > > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > > > > > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and > > > when > > > > > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/ aspected > > > by > > > > > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation > > > given > > > > > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it > > > welcome > > > > > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home. comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www. VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www. SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > > > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can > > > be > > > > > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references > > > they > > > > > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts > > > it is > > > > > all > > > > > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > > > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga > > > charts. > > > > > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. > > > His > > > > > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit theory on > > > D- > > > > > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) com > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&c=1&s=21&. sig=UHLMW__OdoNR3BFIPFTjlg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology</ group/vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Dear Rajan ji, You asked: > what to do when a given combination may > show up in charts (any varga) and still the event or > trait does not occur in the individual's life. Or in many > individuals' lives! That does happen too, > to make matters worse :-) You should know that 2 types of Phala may appear in horoscopes - Drida phala and Adrida phala. The one, which is indicated, by Horoscope, Desa and Transit is sure to happen and is a Drida phala. There is a saying "Avasyam anubhavokthavyam dridam karma subhasubham". The phala indicated by only two of them is an Adrida phala and may not happen at all !!! Add to it the fact that the phalas of previous and coming births are also indicated by the horoscope !! This all means that you don't have to make 'all the phalas indicated by horoscope, happen with some new transit theory'!!! Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > This question has been raised before. If Kalyan Varma had stated it > clearly then there would not be any room for discussion or doubt. In > such an instance, one has two options: > > a) go with the karakattwa. If venus is the planet and the reading > stated refers to spouse the connection is obvious. > b) if the reading refers to a matter to be studied under a specific > varga, such as navamsha for spouse, then it can be taken as a pointer > towards the specific varga in question. > > It is not definitive but less confusing than some may like to turn it > into. The real question is: what to do when a given combination may > show up in charts (any varga) and still the event or trait does not > occur in the individual's life. Or in many individuals' lives! That > does happen too, to make matters worse :-) > > RR > > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohiniranjan and Vijaydas, > > If you look at Kalyan Varmas work and where is says ravi apsecting > shukra > > etc, please also read what results he attribtes to any of these > > combinations. Also he does not qualify in what vargas he is seeing > these > > aspects. Should we then assume that if such an aspect ( I am > assuming full > > aspects, I beleive that is being alluded to here) exists in any of > vargas, > > then the said result will happen. What if it happens per your > definition of > > varga charts in D-9, D10, D60 ? I can not imagine same results > attributed > > regardless of the varga in happens in. This infact raises a few more > > questions than answers the one we are looking at. > > ... > > > > On 11/6/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > Aspects are based on longitudinal disposition between planet and > > > planet or planet and another point.Thus this is irrespective of > > > harmonic influences kshethra/navamsha etc. > > > The aspects of planets do happen in the same zodiac.Thus the > doubt of > > > aspects in varga charts itself is not correct. > > > > > > Now a planet cannot aspect within 30 degrees and beyond 300 > > > degrees.Thus your doubts are valid - whether they are aspects or > > > yutis.Certainly by definition they cannot be full aspects. > > > > > > Also if we read those ,we can see that such results are given for > all > > > planets in a cyclical order.Thus it can be a general result. > > > Thus either it can point to influences of one planet on another > or it > > > can include yuti as well in a loose fashion. > > > This doubt regarding aspect in ''vargacharts'' is only our > > > doubt.Vargas are already pointing to aspects(harmonic influences) > > > within the same zodiac.Grahadrishti is purely ased on longitudes > and > > > it is very clear. > > > > > > Thanks > > > vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Vijay ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link to this message of yours with 11 points on > the > > > > forum. I will heed your advice and read it asap. > > > > > > > > Just to take up one point, if conjunction or yuti as classics in > > > > jyotish call it is not a drishti (based on how drishtis have > been > > > > defined in drikbala and how yuti and drishti have been depicted > in > > > > slokas some of which contain both and others one only of these > terms - > > > > - details in my aforementioned article), it is clear to me, but > may > > > > not be to others that when Kalyan Varma refers to drishtis > between > > > > sun and mercury --which are almost never more than 28 degrees > apart-- > > > > and sun and venus --which are never more than 45 or so degrees > apart-- > > > > and hence cannot have 'drishtis between them in rashi, he was > > > > talking about such drishtis in varga charts. How else could the > > > > modern man explain the repeated reference to these planets and > > > > drishtis. One may, of course, as some have tried -- blame Kalyan > > > > Varma of having made errors and one private email indicated to > me > > > > that Kalyan Varma probably had the 'classic' form of > Alzheimers! Tha > > > > one rendered me speechless! What could I possibly say to such > > > > comments, so I chose not to answer back to that individual!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > > > > > Please be kind enough to read the 11 points mail that i have > > > > addressed > > > > > to shri Narasimha and come back if you have any queries.The > points > > > > you > > > > > are mentioning does not point to any divisional charts.But as > you > > > > have > > > > > rightly mentioned they may certainly make one think as > indicationas > > > > > towards such,when no attempts are there towards a relook and > proper > > > > > understanding of basics.Especially considering the > > > > > institutionalisation of ''varga charts'' in the internet era. > > > > > To take a different BREATH in the direction of THOUGHT is a > REALLY > > > > > REALLY tough task.It has become so institutionalised.But i am > pretty > > > > > confident that our discussions have made us understood > that,the > > > > basics > > > > > are yet to be clear and our theories are just a HYPOTHESIS. > > > > > > > > > > Let us hope reseraches are done using sound basics and hope > LORD > > > > will > > > > > be kind on us. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > In vedic astrology, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s. ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus the clear indications of there being houses and > drishtis > > > > from > > > > > > karakamsha (BPHS) and drishtis between sun, mercury and > venus > > > > > > (Saravali) also indicate that classics were talking about > varga > > > > > > charts and not just vargas! I have recently uploaded an > article, > > > > > > probably here too in the files that gives more details. > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. > Rao" > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding classics supporting "vargas" but not "varga > charts", > > > > we > > > > > > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. > For > > > > now at > > > > > > least... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are most welcome to "laugh at" my researches on > transits in > > > > > > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches > and did > > > > not > > > > > > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing > literature and > > > > > > tradition that inspired me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit > planets > > > > in > > > > > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by > natal > > > > Moon > > > > > > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a > book and > > > > > > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also > told me > > > > that > > > > > > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon > could > > > > be > > > > > > taken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by > > > > planets > > > > > > in transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is > also > > > > not my > > > > > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi > Bhrigu in > > > > > > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini > refers > > > > to > > > > > > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have > only > > > > > > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional > > > > longitudes > > > > > > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my > contribution is > > > > very > > > > > > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous > works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so > different, > > > > things > > > > > > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem > silly > > > > and > > > > > > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your > views. > > > > I > > > > > > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there > who > > > > finds > > > > > > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my > work in > > > > > > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't "laugh > at" my > > > > > > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 > August > > > > 20, > > > > > > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00", 18 N 58' 00") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 > October > > > > 31, > > > > > > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he > lost > > > > office > > > > > > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same > place, > > > > at > > > > > > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at > 17Sg10 > > > > in > > > > > > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa > chart. > > > > > > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by > them. > > > > When > > > > > > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa > > > > > > longitude of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the > > > > blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit > clkose to > > > > > > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn > transit > > > > > > close to it took him down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th > lord > > > > in > > > > > > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits > close > > > > to > > > > > > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he > ascended to > > > > > > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of > dasamsa. No > > > > > > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also > had > > > > half > > > > > > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on > 1Vi13 > > > > > > were bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa > chart. > > > > > > More importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in > navamsa > > > > > > chart! Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which > > > > blessings > > > > > > are going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa > shows > > > > which > > > > > > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are > closely > > > > > > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas > and > > > > when > > > > > > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely > occupied/aspected > > > > by > > > > > > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the > foundation > > > > given > > > > > > by classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it > > > > welcome > > > > > > to do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to > do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ----------------------- -- > ------ > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > > > > > > ----------------------- -- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > > > > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that > Transit can > > > > be > > > > > > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical > references > > > > they > > > > > > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or > Varga_charts > > > > it is > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > > > > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/ Varga > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by > Surya Rao. > > > > His > > > > > > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the "Transit > theory on > > > > D- > > > > > > > > charts". That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info. html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&c=1&s=21&. sig=UHLMW__OdoNR3B > FIPFTjlg> > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- > astrology<vedic astrology>" > > > on the web. > > > - > > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- > ?subject=Un> > > > - Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Sreenadh, " Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the absence of quotes that states the same. " No single reference of drishti in varga charts? really? ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || rN<Øeza<ze tiÇkae[e S)…tyaeg< gte znaE rN<ØezÔ‚iòrazaE tu dehaepÔvmaidzet!. ranndhreçäàçe tatrikoëe sphutayogaà gate çanau ranndhreçadruñöiräçau tu dehopadravamädiçet warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Please traslate what you have sent. Also the font does not coem thru in my email. .... On 11/7/05, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Sreenadh, " Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the absence of quotes that states the same. " No single reference of drishti in varga charts? really? ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || rN<Øeza<ze tiÇkae[e S)…tyaeg< gte znaE rN<ØezÔ‚iòrazaE tu dehaepÔvmaidzet!. ranndhreçäàçe tatrikoëe sphutayogaà gate çanau ranndhreçadruñöiräçau tu dehopadravamädiçet warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Astrology chart Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Please indicate the reference for that Sloka. It can't be read well and meaning will be sensitive to the exact wordings. So please give reference so that we can look into the works or inquire someone and know about it. It is a good effort to search out the relevant verses and subject the same to scrutiny. Surya RaoVishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Sreenadh, " Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the absence of quotes that states the same. " No single reference of drishti in varga charts? really? ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || rN<Øeza<ze tiÇkae[e S)…tyaeg< gte znaE rN<ØezÔ‚iòrazaE tu dehaepÔvmaidzet!. ranndhreçäàçe tatrikoëe sphutayogaà gate çanau ranndhreçadruñöiräçau tu dehopadravamädiçet warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Dear Sri Rao garu, Please find the verse that I quoted in Chandra Kala Nadi/ Deva Keralam, Chapter 2, verse 389. warm regards, VishnuOn 11/7/05, Surya Rao <suryarao12 > wrote: Dear Vishnu, Please indicate the reference for that Sloka. It can't be read well and meaning will be sensitive to the exact wordings. So please give reference so that we can look into the works or inquire someone and know about it. It is a good effort to search out the relevant verses and subject the same to scrutiny. Surya RaoVishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Sreenadh, " Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the absence of quotes that states the same. " No single reference of drishti in varga charts? really? ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || rN<Øeza<ze tiÇkae[e S)…tyaeg< gte znaE rN<ØezÔ‚iòrazaE tu dehaepÔvmaidzet!. ranndhreçäàçe tatrikoëe sphutayogaà gate çanau ranndhreçadruñöiräçau tu dehopadravamädiçet warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 kindly read message number 66426. RR vedic astrology, pavanr Sridhar <pavan_lebanon> wrote: > > > Rohini Rajan Ji, > > Can you please help in solving this issue. > > > > A native born in 29-sep-1979 > > Latitude: 016:57:N / Longitude: 082:13:E > > time : 10:58 PM in india Local Mean time. > > Lagna : Mithun > > Can you please predict how his mangal(Mars) dasa will be, because managal is malefic and is in neecha in second house. since second house is related to dhana stan how does his financial status will affect in this dasa. > > there are lot of openions that mangal is malefic and hence he will do good to native if he is in neecha stan.But i'm not able to come to a conclusion. > > how does ravi(sun) effects the native in his antar or maha dasas, as he is in uccha in D-9 chart? > > How his married life will be? as venus being lord of 5th and 12th house is in neecha. > > > > shall i say that a planet if it is malefic gives good results if he is in neecha? and vice versa... > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Jandhyala ji, for what it is worth, just to add a bit more weight to your already worthy message, a similar line of thought is pretty much strewn across Chandrakala nadi in many many slokas, so even if you gave one citation, it is not a one off but seems to be a constant and prevailing theme. I have also seen the same type of sloka in other classics too though I do not recall specifically the book chapter and verse (perhaps Uttarakalamrita but I could be misquoting). This thing about 'Classics' has become a circular logic in some sectors of jyotish. People began talking about the utility of using varga charts and then someone steered it into a statement, "But is it defined and stated so in classics?" and then there was a new wrinkle thrown in as to what is actually a classic! Some jyotish students are of the opinion that BPHS is not a classic because it is of recent vintage and on and on. In such a hurricane of confusion, the cruise ship of vargas is pretty much in the doldrums, naval types may say ;-) I think it is safe to state, judging by *those* standards that KSY, sadesati of shani, mangal dosh and a host of other things are not from classics and just modern fantasies! Many would find such a position ridiculous! RR vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Sri Rao garu, > > Please find the verse that I quoted in Chandra Kala Nadi/ Deva Keralam, > Chapter 2, verse 389. > > warm regards, > Vishnu > > On 11/7/05, Surya Rao <suryarao12> wrote: > > > > Dear Vishnu, > > Please indicate the reference for that Sloka. It can't be read well and > > meaning will be sensitive to the exact wordings. So please give reference so > > that we can look into the works or inquire someone and know about it. > > It is a good effort to search out the relevant verses and subject the > > same to scrutiny. > > Surya Rao > > > > *Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...>* wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Sri Sreenadh, > > " Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions > > are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference > > was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to > > loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a > > single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact > > that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings > > in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to > > accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I > > won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the > > absence of quotes that states the same. " > > No single reference of drishti in varga charts? really? > > > > ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau > > > > ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || > > > > rN<Øeza<ze tiÇkae[e S)…tyaeg< gte znaE > > > > rN<ØezÔ‚iòrazaE tu dehaepÔvmaidzet!. > > > > ranndhreçäàçe tatrikoëe sphutayogaà gate çanau > > > > ranndhreçadruñöiräçau tu dehopadravamädiçet > > > > warm regards, > > > > Vishnu > > > > -- > > > > Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram > > vyaptam yena charaa charam > > tatpadam darsita yena > > tasmai sri gurave namah > > > > ------------------------------ > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.<http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3 MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw-- /SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase./> > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- astrology<vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram > vyaptam yena charaa charam > tatpadam darsita yena > tasmai sri gurave namaha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Would you please post the traslation of the shloka ? Thanks .... On 11/8/05, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Sri Rao garu,Please find the verse that I quoted in Chandra Kala Nadi/ Deva Keralam, Chapter 2, verse 389. warm regards,Vishnu On 11/7/05, Surya Rao <suryarao12 > wrote: Dear Vishnu, Please indicate the reference for that Sloka. It can't be read well and meaning will be sensitive to the exact wordings. So please give reference so that we can look into the works or inquire someone and know about it. It is a good effort to search out the relevant verses and subject the same to scrutiny. Surya Rao Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Sreenadh, " Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the absence of quotes that states the same. " No single reference of drishti in varga charts? really? ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || rN<Øeza<ze tiÇkae[e S)…tyaeg< gte znaE rN<ØezÔ‚iòrazaE tu dehaepÔvmaidzet!. ranndhreçäàçe tatrikoëe sphutayogaà gate çanau ranndhreçadruñöiräçau tu dehopadravamädiçet warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.html || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ Astrology chart Astrology reading Vedic astrology Divination tool Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I could not find the verse in the work of Santhanam as I am unable to locate a chapterwise arrangement. But does the verse as you gave speak of drshti in Varga? randhreshaamshe tatrikone sphutayogam gate shanau randhreshadrishtiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || In the amsa of 8th lord or in its trine when Sani has longitudinal conjunction or in the sign aspected by the 8th lord also bodily ailments will be caused. .. what is emerging is a very awkward meaning and so the verse itself has some deformation. Irrespective of other demerits, it has no reference to drshti in a Varga. For your information, I could not find a verse that speaks of Rasi independent Vargas in Devakeralam. Surya Rao Panditji <navagraha > wrote: Namaste, Would you please post the traslation of the shloka ? Thanks .... On 11/8/05, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Sri Rao garu,Please find the verse that I quoted in Chandra Kala Nadi/ Deva Keralam, Chapter 2, verse 389. warm regards,Vishnu On 11/7/05, Surya Rao <suryarao12 > wrote: Dear Vishnu, Please indicate the reference for that Sloka. It can't be read well and meaning will be sensitive to the exact wordings. So please give reference so that we can look into the works or inquire someone and know about it. It is a good effort to search out the relevant verses and subject the same to scrutiny. Surya Rao Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Sreenadh, " Yes, Paditji, you said it right. No where in classics, predictions are given for aspects (Drishti) in vargas!! Even if a single reference was available, we could have attributed the absence of such slokas to loss of classics, and the original tradition. But amazingly not a single such reference is present in classics!! Which point to the fact that aspects where not at all considered in Vargas. If somebody brings in a new theory based on Varga charts or D-charts, I am ready to accept it in an experimental basis, if it is proved useful. But I won't accept the statement that, 'it is as per classics', in the absence of quotes that states the same. " No single reference of drishti in varga charts? really? ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || rN<Øeza<ze tiÇkae[e S)…tyaeg< gte znaE rN<ØezÔ‚iòrazaE tu dehaepÔvmaidzet!. ranndhreçäàçe tatrikoëe sphutayogaà gate çanau ranndhreçadruñöiräçau tu dehopadravamädiçet warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Astrology chart Astrology reading Vedic astrology Divination tool Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Dear Sri Pandit, ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau When Saturn transits the sign occupied by 8th lord or a trine in Navamsa ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet or the sign aspected by 8th lord there will be physical discomfort. Personal observations:- Mark the word "sphutayogam", What has sphuta got to do "with/in" Navamsa? Is the author alluding to divisional longitude(in navamsa!)? One can argue, it is just to indicate trinal transit in which case , I would say "ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe gate shanau" would have sufficed! warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Thanks, Where does it say the transit is in navansha. it talks about the sign occupied by 8th lord or its trine in navansha. This can be read as sign occupied by the 8th lord in navansha,so lets say the 8th lord occupies aries in navansha, then when shani transits aries, leo, dhanu ( trinal signs to aries). Why can we not read it like that ? .... On 11/8/05, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Sri Pandit,ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau When Saturn transits the sign occupied by 8th lord or a trine in NavamsaranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishetor the sign aspected by 8th lord there will be physical discomfort. Personal observations:-Mark the word "sphutayogam", What has sphuta got to do "with/in" Navamsa? Is the author alluding to divisional longitude(in navamsa!)? One can argue, it is just to indicate trinal transit in which case , I would say "ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe gate shanau" would have sufficed! warm regards,Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.html || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Dear Rao garu, I could not find the verse in the work of Santhanam as I am unable to locate a chapterwise arrangement. But does the verse as you gave speak of drshti in Varga? Volume 2, page 120 randhreshaamshe tatrikone sphutayogam gate shanau randhreshadrishtiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || In the amsa of 8th lord or in its trine when Sani has longitudinal conjunction or in the sign aspected by the 8th lord also bodily ailments will be caused. .. what is emerging is a very awkward meaning and so the verse itself has some deformation. Irrespective of other demerits, it has no reference to drshti in a Varga. So you say, the author mentions transits in Navamsa in Line 1, turns back and talks of transits in Rasi Chart in Line 2? Such discontinuity? Is that how you would interpert "randhreshadrishtiraashau" ? warm regards, Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Have your homework done well before raising such questions? Where it is said that the transit is in Navamsa. Read the mail given in respect of so called Rasi-Varga controvery, make and effort to understand and then ask good questions. Then we can enjoy that graceful conflict of thought with thought. ok See a few more verses in Devakeralam - an easy reference is the work of Sri CS Patel on Navamsa. Make a study and then write concrete points. Not silly questions. Surya RaoVishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Rao garu, I could not find the verse in the work of Santhanam as I am unable to locate a chapterwise arrangement. But does the verse as you gave speak of drshti in Varga? Volume 2, page 120 randhreshaamshe tatrikone sphutayogam gate shanau randhreshadrishtiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet || 2 / 389 || In the amsa of 8th lord or in its trine when Sani has longitudinal conjunction or in the sign aspected by the 8th lord also bodily ailments will be caused. .. what is emerging is a very awkward meaning and so the verse itself has some deformation. Irrespective of other demerits, it has no reference to drshti in a Varga. So you say, the author mentions transits in Navamsa in Line 1, turns back and talks of transits in Rasi Chart in Line 2? Such discontinuity? Is that how you would interpert "randhreshadrishtiraashau" ?warm regards,Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha html banner|**| --> Astrology chart Astrology reading Vedic astrology Divination tool FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Dear Sri Rao, Have your homework done well before raising such questions? Where it is said that the transit is in Navamsa. Read the mail given in respect of so called Rasi-Varga controvery, make and effort to understand and then ask good questions. Then we can enjoy that graceful conflict of thought with thought. ok See a few more verses in Devakeralam - an easy reference is the work of Sri CS Patel on Navamsa. Make a study and then write concrete points. Not silly questions. I simply don't have the luxury of time to butt my head into every controversy, MAKE AN EFFORT to understand and then write back with CONCRETE POINTS. I have a life other than astrology. If your life is only astrology and nothing else, you are a blessed man! Please do resovle conflicts and controversies. Stop being judgmental. Comments like "you have poor imagination"(to Pradeep), "do your homework" don't get you anywhere. How have statements like that enhanced your knowledge of astrology or made you more humble? Vidya dadaati vinayam! If you have a point, articulate it logically. There is no need to lace your posts with acerbic remarks, taunts or "see how smart I am" sarcasm! The great Chanakya opines, "bhUShaNaanaaM bhUShaNaM savinayaa vidyaa", which translates to "Learning accompanied by humility is the ornament of all ornaments". Unfortunately, humility is not a course offered in some university or taught by some Guru! We don't come across School/Department of Humility or School/Department of Common Sense, do we? Coming back to astrology, so you want to see "amsha raashi" in these verses, would that satisfy you and Sri Pandit? Here you go, chandraaMsharaashimaarabhya gochare tvaShTame shanauraahudaaye mahatkaShTaM yogabhaMgaM vinirdishet || 1/ 2044 || (Vol 1, Page 183, verse 2044) chandraaMsharaashimaarabhya gochare saptame shanauraahudaaye vakrabhuktau dehajaaDyaM vinirdishet || 1/ 2385 || (Vol 1, Page 213, verse 2385) There could be many more. No, I don't have any books authored by Sri CS Patel, can you please send me complete title and publisher details? What is this book about? Another book on Chandra Kala Nadi with particular reference to Navamsa? warm regards,Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Dear Panditji, I completely agree with your opinion. Why go up to Devakeralam? There are hundreds of such verses in texts like Presnamarga etc. They all speak about the transit of a planet through sign (in Natal chart) in which Navamsa of some other planet or Sign/House lord falls, and all the translators agree on the same. Such slokas can not interpreted it any other way. Presnamarga (and probably Devakeralam also) originated in Kerala and even the descendents of Presnamargacharya use it that way. What is more, all the great scholers of Kerala like Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri who wrote the Desadhyayi, Kaikulangara who lived before Presnamargacharya has stated the same. What is more Presnamargacharya himself, in his vyakhya named Durgamardha Prekasini (of his own text Presnamarga) has stated the same!!! It is the only system followed in Kerala, by almost all scholers, till today !!! Then how can we interpret such slokas in any other way?!!!! If somebody don't believe in kerala scholars look at Acharya Balabhadra of 10th century who wrote Hora Rathnam or any other ancient text. Can you spot a single reference for that ancient scholars/ translators treating the Navamsa chart separately?!!! No you can't !!! Not only Navamsa but all Vargas should be treated in conjunction with Natal chart !!! That is what our ancestors taught us !!! Such slokas do not qualify to be an example for a description of Transit in D-charts, since except the Navamsa (a Varga) no Navamsa- chart is mentioned in such slokas. In all such slokas Navamsa sign is referenced with respect to Natal Chart. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > Namaste, > Thanks, > Where does it say the transit is in navansha. it talks about the sign > occupied by 8th lord or its trine in navansha. This can be read as sign > occupied by the 8th lord in navansha,so lets say the 8th lord occupies aries > in navansha, then when shani transits aries, leo, dhanu ( trinal signs to > aries). Why can we not read it like that ? > ... > > On 11/8/05, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Sri Pandit, > > > > > > ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe sphutayogaM gate shanau > > > > When Saturn transits the sign occupied by 8th lord or a trine in Navamsa > > > > > > ranMdhreshadruShTiraashau tu dehopadravamaadishet > > > > or the sign aspected by 8th lord there will be physical discomfort. > > > > > > Personal observations:- > > > > Mark the word "sphutayogam", What has sphuta got to do "with/in" Navamsa? > > Is the author alluding to divisional longitude(in navamsa!)? One can argue, > > it is just to indicate trinal transit in which case , I would say > > "ranMdhreshaaMshe tatrikoNe gate shanau" would have sufficed! > > > > > > warm regards, > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram > > vyaptam yena charaa charam > > tatpadam darsita yena > > tasmai sri gurave namaha > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Dear Vishnu, "amsha raashi" in such verses just means that the sign in Natal chart in which a pertular navamsa falls. For example, if Su is in Aris 15 deg. we say that Su is in 5th Navamsa of Aris, and when we mark Navamsa around the Natal chart Su would be marked in Leo. Which means that amsha rasi (of Sun) in this case is Leo. So if some one is referring to a Transit through amsha raashi they mean, the transit of a planet through that rasi (in this case Leo) in Natal chart. It is pretty clear in Vyakhyas written by scholers such as the writer of Presnamarga for his own works. Or take Desadhyayi (a vyakhya of Varhaha Hora) which is highly praised in the introductory chapter of Presnamarga itself. All of them clearly treat the word "amsa raashi" in this way. If even the creaters of such books (I mean Presnamarga. Many similar slokas are present in Presnamarga as well)are following such a system, who are we to speak against it?!!!!! Love, Sreenadh would that satisfy you and Sri Pandit? vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g... > wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > Dear Sri Rao, > > > Have your homework done well before raising such questions? Where it is > > said that the transit is in Navamsa. Read the mail given in respect of so > > called Rasi-Varga controvery, make and effort to understand and then ask > > good questions. Then we can enjoy that graceful conflict of thought with > > thought. ok > > See a few more verses in Devakeralam - an easy reference is the work of > > Sri CS Patel on Navamsa. Make a study and then write concrete points. Not > > silly questions. > > > I simply don't have the luxury of time to butt my head into every > controversy, MAKE AN EFFORT to understand and then write back with CONCRETE > POINTS. I have a life other than astrology. If your life is only astrology > and nothing else, you are a blessed man! Please do resovle conflicts and > controversies. > > Stop being judgmental. Comments like "you have poor imagination"(to > Pradeep), "do your homework" don't get you anywhere. How have statements > like that enhanced your knowledge of astrology or made you more humble? > Vidya dadaati vinayam! If you have a point, articulate it logically. There > is no need to lace your posts with acerbic remarks, taunts or "see how smart > I am" sarcasm! > > The great Chanakya opines, "bhUShaNaanaaM bhUShaNaM savinayaa vidyaa", which > translates to "Learning accompanied by humility is the ornament of all > ornaments". Unfortunately, humility is not a course offered in some > university or taught by some Guru! We don't come across School/ Department of > Humility or School/Department of Common Sense, do we? > > > Coming back to astrology, so you want to see "amsha raashi" in these verses, > would that satisfy you and Sri Pandit? > > Here you go, > > chandraaMsharaashimaarabhya gochare tvaShTame shanau > raahudaaye mahatkaShTaM yogabhaMgaM vinirdishet || 1/ 2044 || (Vol 1, Page > 183, verse 2044) > > chandraaMsharaashimaarabhya gochare saptame shanau > raahudaaye vakrabhuktau dehajaaDyaM vinirdishet || 1/ 2385 || (Vol 1, Page > 213, verse 2385) > > There could be many more. > > > No, I don't have any books authored by Sri CS Patel, can you please send me > complete title and publisher details? What is this book about? Another book > on Chandra Kala Nadi with particular reference to Navamsa? > > warm regards, > Vishnu > > > > -- > Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram > vyaptam yena charaa charam > tatpadam darsita yena > tasmai sri gurave namah > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Recently some University has given me some wisdom and so I don't want to reply you in the same tone. I am a poor astrologer and as you said you are very busy. Anyway both the verses quoted have no relevance to the points I have raised and the Panditji's mail as well. You don't know what is meant by Chandramsa rasi, that is your problem. Or may be I am wrong, please translate and explain for me. That is what I meant by Homework. First one should understand before quoting it. Anyway, you may be an elder brother or say younger. I should not have hurt you by my words. I am very sorry, if I hurt your feelings by my unsolicited advice or comments. Surya Rao Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Rao, Have your homework done well before raising such questions? Where it is said that the transit is in Navamsa. Read the mail given in respect of so called Rasi-Varga controvery, make and effort to understand and then ask good questions. Then we can enjoy that graceful conflict of thought with thought. ok See a few more verses in Devakeralam - an easy reference is the work of Sri CS Patel on Navamsa. Make a study and then write concrete points. Not silly questions. I simply don't have the luxury of time to butt my head into every controversy, MAKE AN EFFORT to understand and then write back with CONCRETE POINTS. I have a life other than astrology. If your life is only astrology and nothing else, you are a blessed man! Please do resovle conflicts and controversies. Stop being judgmental. Comments like "you have poor imagination"(to Pradeep), "do your homework" don't get you anywhere. How have statements like that enhanced your knowledge of astrology or made you more humble? Vidya dadaati vinayam! If you have a point, articulate it logically. There is no need to lace your posts with acerbic remarks, taunts or "see how smart I am" sarcasm! The great Chanakya opines, "bhUShaNaanaaM bhUShaNaM savinayaa vidyaa", which translates to "Learning accompanied by humility is the ornament of all ornaments". Unfortunately, humility is not a course offered in some university or taught by some Guru! We don't come across School/Department of Humility or School/Department of Common Sense, do we? Coming back to astrology, so you want to see "amsha raashi" in these verses, would that satisfy you and Sri Pandit? Here you go, chandraaMsharaashimaarabhya gochare tvaShTame shanauraahudaaye mahatkaShTaM yogabhaMgaM vinirdishet || 1/ 2044 || (Vol 1, Page 183, verse 2044) chandraaMsharaashimaarabhya gochare saptame shanauraahudaaye vakrabhuktau dehajaaDyaM vinirdishet || 1/ 2385 || (Vol 1, Page 213, verse 2385) There could be many more. No, I don't have any books authored by Sri CS Patel, can you please send me complete title and publisher details? What is this book about? Another book on Chandra Kala Nadi with particular reference to Navamsa? warm regards,Vishnu -- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namah FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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