Tagore comments which I had mailed you earlier

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Dear Chandra Hari,

 

I will continue to communicate with you on other matters privately. But I will

cc this one mail to the lists, as the list may be interested in this too. I

hope you don't mind.

 

I will explain the events using the tenets of astrology that *I* know, without

stretching things and without being intellectually dishonest.

 

1. Voyage: Jupiter is the lagna lord in the 5th house. I absolutely cannot

explain Jupiter guiving foreign travel. Saturn is the 12th lord aspecting 12th

house. He is in the 9th from Rahu (karaka lagna).

 

I see D-4 for residence and foreign travel. In D-4, Saturn is the 12th lkord in

9th in watery Scorpio.

 

Based on the astrology that I know and practice, Saturn ius a clear winner. I am

not inventing logic. The 9th house, 12th house, Rahu (karaka) and D-4 being used

for foreign travel are basic factors I use always.

 

2. Venus is karaka in own navamsa, true. But Sun is the lagna lord joining 7th

lord Rahu in navamsa. Definitely, Venus-Sun-Rahu pratyantardasa is a good

candidate. Yes, Venus-Venus could have given it too. But being karaka isn't

enough. The 1st and 7th houses of navamsa are as important as karaka.

 

3. Get the correct date and also tell me if she was the first child or second

child, i.e. if there was an abortion first. Then I will look at it.

 

4. The 5th house is abilities and scholarship. While houses show intangible

aspects of matters, their arudha padas show the tangible manifestation. Bhava

means a a concept or thought or a meaning. Arudha means raised. Pada means a

symbol or a word. Padas are to bhavas what words/symbols are to

meanings/concepts. Meanings, thoughts and concepts that one has in one's mind

are intangible to others, while words used to express them are tangible to

others.

 

In my approach, I always see tangible aspects of various matters from arudha

padas. While the 4th house shows one's happiness from vehicle (intangible), the

arudha pada of 4th house shows vehicle itself (a tangible article). While the

5th house may show one's abilities and scholarship, arudha pada of 5th house

may show tanginle articles reflecting on it, such as awards, prizes,

certificates etc.

 

Similarly, Shanti Niketan is a tangible thing. I'll see it from the arudha pada

of 5th house in dasamsa chart. Of course, I don't buy your Rx10 and will use

the standard Parasari dasamsa which I have used in hundreds of charts to make

predictions.

 

In D-10, A5 (arudha pada of 5th house) is in Leo. The 3rd lord (initiative) Rahu

is in it and its lord is Sun, who is in lagna. No wonder, Sun-Rahu antardasa

gave rise to Shanti Niketan.

 

5. Jupiter is the 8th lord in 7th, i.e. a maraka, in navamsa. Saturn, OTOH, is

the 7th lord and protects wife. It is Jupiter can harm and end the marriage.

 

6-7. I'll leave for now. Want to hurry up and sleep. You don't seem to have the exact dates too.

 

8. I agree Mercury AD is better. But the AD change happened in Sept 1913. With a

little difference in birthtime, the event can move to Mercury AD even with

Lahiri ayanamsa. So let us skip this border case.

 

9. We use D-24 for learning matters. In D-24, the 2nd house is occupied by Moon

and owned by Ketu. Moon-Ketu can give an advanced degree.

 

10. When using Vimsottari dasa as a maraka dasa (as opposed to an ayurdasa), I

did not get perfect results by sticking to normal Janma Vimsottari dasa. In

some charts, Kshema Vimsottari dasa or Adhana Vimsottari dasa work better. In

Tagore's case, there are more planets in quadrants from Kshema nakshatra

(Krittika) than from Janma nakshatra (Revati). As per this variation, his death

occurred in Mercury-Venus-Mercury pratyantardasa. Mercury is the 7th lord and

Venus is the 7th lord and both occupy the 2nd house. Based on classic Parasari

principles, they are both perfect marakas!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-

chandra hari

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:19 PM

Tagore comments which I had mailed you earlier

Sri Ravindranatha Tagore

 

07.05.1861, 0251 LMT, 0227 IST at 22N40, 88E30

 

 

Lagna

Chand.

Sukra

Budha! Ravi

Kuja

Sikhi

 

Râúi

Guru

 

Sani

Râhu

 

 

 

 

Lagna

333057’

Ravi

23037’

Chandra

349048’

Kuja

59025’

Budha

07007’

Guru

115013’

Úukra

22021’

Úani

130000’

Râhu

264006’

Úikhi

84006’

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Sikhi

Sani

Budha

Guru

Navâmúa

 

 

Lagna

Chandra

Ravi

Râhu

Sukra

Kuja

 

 

Ayanâmsa Used: 22039’ (Hari)

 

 

 

 

Budha

Guru

 

 

 

Budha

Kuja

Rahu

Guru

 

Râsix10

Career

Lagna

 

 

Râsix7

Children

 

 

Nodes

 

Chandra

 

Chandra

Ravi

Kuja

Sukra Sani

 

 

 

 

Sikhi

Sani

Lagna

Ravi

Sukra

 

 

 

v Profile of Planetary Influence

 

Daúa at birth: Budha: 13 years - 00 months - 02 days: Up to 09 May 1874

 

§

Roman'"> Sikhi ® From 09 May 1874 to 09 May 1881

§

Roman'"> Sukra ® 09 May 1881 to 09 May 1901

§ Surya ® 09 May 1901 to 09 May 1907

§ Chandra ® 09 May 1907 to 09 May 1917

§ Kuja &! nbsp; ® 09 May 1917 to 09 May 1924

§

Roman'"> Râhu ® 09 May 1924 to 09 May 1942

 

This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman, Lahiri and the

ayanamsa I have proposed. But the Rasix10, dasamsa Lagna is different for Raman

ayanamsa as his Lagna will be 333-57+2-11 = 336-08. Dasamsa Lagna will be

Simha. In Saptamsa Raman’s data gives Tula as Lagna. Same is the situation with

Lahiri. So at the very basic level, a query arises with reference to ayanamsa –

 

1. Which is the Saptamsa Lagna of Sri Tagore’s horoscope, Kanya or Tula?

Both Rasis are heavily afflicted and the judgment can be subjective unless some

event points to Budha or Sukra as having the lordship of children.

2. Which is the Dasamsa – Rasix10 or the Mihira’s D10? We must think over.

 

Course of Life:

 

Voyage to Europe – 18th year - September 1878: Ketu (dasa) – Guru (bhukti):

Lahiri puts the event in Sani (bhukti) – Which is the right choice, Guru or

Sani for the voyage for studies, career, across the seas?

 

Sani of Simha takes one to the hills or to the sea?

Guru of Kataka versus Sani of Simha – which one is more appropriate for sea voyage?

Event is going abroad, yes, Sani can cause the event by 12th lordship – but

contrast the nature of the event and Rasi-seelam. Journe! y is for career and

across the sea – life in sea – perhaps it took weeks to reach UK. Which planet

could have given such a life in the ship, in the ocean?

Guru is in exchange with Chandra – two watery signs influence Guru and Mahayoga

– can there be any other candidate to cause a voyage across the sea? Just think

over, I have no assertions.

If suppose we take Sani as causing this voyage, another query comes – Why the

Guru bhukti failed to cause any development in his career des! pite being 10th

lord exalted in 5th in exchange with Chandra?

Sanjay says, it is improper to travel during Guru, Tagore was in ship – in a

moving Home in the ocean. Separation from home is well explained by Dasa lord

Ketu in the 4th.

Raman’s ayanamsa – no comments. Sukra-Sukra, in astrology anything can be

justified by inventing logic because a great majority has no scientific

thinking and! Upasana.

 

Marriage 9 December 1883: Sukra (d) – Sukra (b): Kalatrakaraka and own varga in

Navamsa are the only factors, I can point out. If Surya could cause marriage by

virtue of association with Sukra and Budha by partaking their qualities and

duties, why didn’t Sukra cause marriage in his own bhukti? We must apply logic

fully to churn out the truth. !

 

§ Surya could have caused marriage, had there been failure by Sukra – not

by virtue of association but because he is lord of Navamsa-Lagna. Of course,

affliction of Surya by Rahu was an affliction over his marital life.

§ We must note that the Kalatrakaraka is in own varga in Navamsa and thus

favorable to cause marriage.

§ Imagine a situation of 1881 – when an astrologer could have predicted

Tagore’s marriage – in Sukra-Sukra that is unfolding or could anyone have said:

Sukra cannot cause marriage in his bhukti and Surya, the 6th Lord shall cause

marriage?

§ If Raman’s Venus-Moon is correct, what is Raman’s explanation for Venus

and Sun not causing marriage in their bhuktis? Raman needed such things as

stellar influence to justify his ayanamsa. What for is then Rasi and Vargas?

Stellar lordship is above Rasi and Varga? Raman’s ayanamsa can be justified

only with Raman’s astrology.

 

1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata was born in Sukra-Chandra (b): Whole of 1886

Chandra bhukti prevailed. With Raman marriage in Moon and Child in Rahu – and

the chart has the exchange of first lord Guru and 5th lord Chandra?

 

§ Sanjay has to hope for the event before June 1886 to place the birth of

daughter in Venus-Moon? Justifies Mars too. Good.

§ But while justifying Mars, should we not think as to why Chandra did

not give him a daughter during its bhukti despite being lord of 5th in exchange

with Guru? Unless, we answer this part, the predictive logic cannot be complete.

 

§ So all the three ayanamsas may be explaining child birth but Lahiri &

Raman cannot explain as to why Chandra did not give him a child during its

bhukti or why Sukra did not cause marriage to Tagore in Sukra bhukti. Only an

integrated evaluation can lead us to the truth.

 

22.12.1901: Shantiniketan – Surya (d): Chandra (b): Shantiniketan was born out

of his mind – the lord of which is in mutual exchange with 10th lord Guru.

Mahayoga caused by Chandra was operating to enable him to create an

Institution. 5th is the house of Vidya and the lord of Vidya formed mahayoga

with Karmapati.

 

Rx10, not the wrong Mihira conventional D10 has to be looked into for career.

Chandra is the lor! d of Rx10 Lagna. Sanjay has used the wrong Mihira D10 to

take dasamsa lagna as Dhanu and Kataka as 8th. Niyati cannot be so foolish –

see the beauty of astrology – Kataka, the source of his talents is the dasamsa

Lagna and Moon its lord is in Dhanu, the 10th house of Rasi. Mahayoga involving

1&5 thus gets related to 5&10 in Dasamsa and so he created an educational

institution.

 

Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902: Raman places the event in Sun-Sat.

Lahiri has the tragic event in Surya-Guru (b): How can this be explained?

 

§ Lahiri - How can Surya (d) – Guru (b) kill the wife?

§ Sun – Rahu (b) – I will put the blame on the affliction by Rahu on

Navamsa-Lagnapati. Lagna had navamsa in 6th with the lord afflicted by Rahu –

this is a very correct principle – afflicted lord of navamsa Lagna affects

marital life.

§ Rahu’s lordship, I don’t use. With my experience of the tradition, I am

not aware of a logic like Rahu is 7th lord or similar.

 

Daughter Renuka died in 1903 September: Sun – Guru (b), Karako bhavanasaya: Rx7

a! lso explains the event – Surya and Guru in Kendras in Saptamsa has evil

propensities in respect of 5th house. Lahiri places in Sun-Sat(b): Can be well

explained. Saturn afflicts the Rx7 Lagna of Lahiri.

 

Younger son died in 1907 November. Chandra-Chandra: Chandra as putrapati does

not favor male issues – 5th house sandwiched between malefics. Chandra-Kuja or

Rahu as per Lahiri – Classical rules on 5th house justify both the product! ive

and destructive roles of Chandra and Guru in respect of children.

 

Nobel Prize: September 1913: Chandra – Budha (b): Rx10, Budha is quite dominant

and influence Chandra and Guru. Of course, Budha is in 12th of Rx10Lagna and so

he used the money for social work. Award was for his work in literature and

Chandra and Budha are the most suited as per dasamsa.

 

§ Lahiri requires Ketu – but Ketu is in the house of Budha and then why

Budha did not get him the honour? If Ketu can why not his master Budha? If Ketu

could bring such an event why Budha had to be a dull period?

§ Budha brought the honor and Ketu saw him under limelight. Can’t this

be the correct interpretation?

 

Doctorate November 1913 – again Chandra-Budha.

Death 7 August 1941: Rahu-Kuja:

§ Sanjay, earlier said that –kaarakobhavanasaya is not applicable to such

a brilliant Jupiter. If so how can Guru in such auspicious yoga kill him?

§ We can justify saying that he had Moksha and so 10th lord in 5th was

the most appropriate agent to enable his crossing of Akasa Ganga. We must have

a whole some look – which ayanamsa gives a smooth explanation – not only

justifies! but also not generating questions like the ones I have raised like

why Sukra (b) did not cause marriage? Why Chandra (b) did not give a son?

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Namaste,

 

I was too tired. Too many mistakes in the last paragraph. Here it is again:

 

10. When using Vimsottari dasa as an ayur dasa (as opposed to using it as a

phalita dasa), I did not get perfect results by sticking to normal Janma

Vimsottari dasa. In some charts, Kshema Vimsottari dasa or Adhana Vimsottari

dasa, sanctioned by tradition, work better. In Tagore's case, there are more

planets in quadrants from Kshema nakshatra (Krittika) than from Janma nakshatra

(Revati). As per this variation, his death occurred in Mercury-Venus-Mercury

pratyantardasa. Mercury is the 7th lord and Venus is the 8th lord and both

occupy the 2nd house. Based on classic Parasari principles, they are both

perfect marakas!

 

Best regards,

Narasimhja

-

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

chandra hari

Cc: Sanjay Rath ; vedic astrology

Monday, November 21, 2005 12:04 AM

Re: Tagore comments which I had mailed you earlier

Dear Chandra Hari,

 

I will continue to communicate with you on other matters privately. But I will

cc this one mail to the lists, as the list may be interested in this too. I

hope you don't mind.

 

I will explain the events using the tenets of astrology that *I* know, without

stretching things and without being intellectually dishonest.

 

1. Voyage: Jupiter is the lagna lord in the 5th house. I absolutely cannot

explain Jupiter guiving foreign travel. Saturn is the 12th lord aspecting 12th

house. He is in the 9th from Rahu (karaka lagna).

 

I see D-4 for residence and foreign travel. In D-4, Saturn is the 12th lkord in

9th in watery Scorpio.

 

Based on the astrology that I know and practice, Saturn ius a clear winner. I am

not inventing logic. The 9th house, 12th house, Rahu (karaka) and D-4 being used

for foreign travel are basic factors I use always.

 

2. Venus is karaka in own navamsa, true. But Sun is the lagna lord joining 7th

lord Rahu in navamsa. Definitely, Venus-Sun-Rahu pratyantardasa is a good

candidate. Yes, Venus-Venus could have given it too. But being karaka isn't

enough. The 1st and 7th houses of navamsa are as important as karaka.

 

3. Get the correct date and also tell me if she was the first child or second

child, i.e. if there was an abortion first. Then I will look at it.

 

4. The 5th house is abilities and scholarship. While houses show intangible

aspects of matters, their arudha padas show the tangible manifestation. Bhava

means a a concept or thought or a meaning. Arudha means raised. Pada means a

symbol or a word. Padas are to bhavas what words/symbols are to

meanings/concepts. Meanings, thoughts and concepts that one has in one's mind

are intangible to others, while words used to express them are tangible to

others.

 

In my approach, I always see tangible aspects of various matters from arudha

padas. While the 4th house shows one's happiness from vehicle (intangible), the

arudha pada of 4th house shows vehicle itself (a tangible article). While the

5th house may show one's abilities and scholarship, arudha pada of 5th house

may show tanginle articles reflecting on it, such as awards, prizes,

certificates etc.

 

Similarly, Shanti Niketan is a tangible thing. I'll see it from the arudha pada

of 5th house in dasamsa chart. Of course, I don't buy your Rx10 and will use

the standard Parasari dasamsa which I have used in hundreds of charts to make

predictions.

 

In D-10, A5 (arudha pada of 5th house) is in Leo. The 3rd lord (initiative) Rahu

is in it and its lord is Sun, who is in lagna. No wonder, Sun-Rahu antardasa

gave rise to Shanti Niketan.

 

5. Jupiter is the 8th lord in 7th, i.e. a maraka, in navamsa. Saturn, OTOH, is

the 7th lord and protects wife. It is Jupiter can harm and end the marriage.

 

6-7. I'll leave for now. Want to hurry up and sleep. You don't seem to have the exact dates too.

 

8. I agree Mercury AD is better. But the AD change happened in Sept 1913. With a

little difference in birthtime, the event can move to Mercury AD even with

Lahiri ayanamsa. So let us skip this border case.

 

9. We use D-24 for learning matters. In D-24, the 2nd house is occupied by Moon

and owned by Ketu. Moon-Ketu can give an advanced degree.

 

10. When using Vimsottari dasa as a maraka dasa (as opposed to an ayurdasa), I

did not get perfect results by sticking to normal Janma Vimsottari dasa. In

some charts, Kshema Vimsottari dasa or Adhana Vimsottari dasa work better. In

Tagore's case, there are more planets in quadrants from Kshema nakshatra

(Krittika) than from Janma nakshatra (Revati). As per this variation, his death

occurred in Mercury-Venus-Mercury pratyantardasa. Mercury is the 7th lord and

Venus is the 7th lord and both occupy the 2nd house. Based on classic Parasari

principles, they are both perfect marakas!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-

chandra hari

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:19 PM

Tagore comments which I had mailed you earlier

Sri Ravindranatha Tagore

 

07.05.1861, 0251 LMT, 0227 IST at 22N40, 88E30

 

 

Lagna

Chand.

Sukra

Budha! Ravi

Kuja

Sikhi

 

Râúi

Guru

 

Sani

Râhu

 

 

 

 

Lagna

333057’

Ravi

23037’

Chandra

349048’

Kuja

59025’

Budha

07007’

Guru

115013’

Úukra

22021’

Úani

130000’

Râhu

264006’

Úikhi

84006’

0.5pt solid" width="53">

 

 

Sikhi

Sani

Budha

Guru

Navâmúa

 

 

Lagna

Chandra

Ravi

Râhu

Sukra

Kuja

 

 

Ayanâmsa Used: 22039’ (Hari)

 

 

 

 

Budha

Guru

 

 

 

Budha

Kuja

Rahu

Guru

 

Râsix10

Career

Lagna

 

 

Râsix7

Children

 

 

Nodes

 

Chandra

 

Chandra

Ravi

Kuja

Sukra Sani

 

 

 

 

Sikhi

Sani

Lagna

Ravi

Sukra

 

 

 

v Profile of Planetary Influence

 

Daúa at birth: Budha: 13 years - 00 months - 02 days: Up to 09 May 1874

 

§

Roman'"> Sikhi ® From 09 May 1874 to 09 May 1881

§

Roman'"> Sukra ® 09 May 1881 to 09 May 1901

§ Surya ® 09 May 1901 to 09 May 1907

§ Chandra ® 09 May 1907 to 09 May 1917

§ Kuja &! nbsp; ® 09 May 1917 to 09 May 1924

§

Roman'"> Râhu ® 09 May 1924 to 09 May 1942

 

This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman, Lahiri and the

ayanamsa I have proposed. But the Rasix10, dasamsa Lagna is different for Raman

ayanamsa as his Lagna will be 333-57+2-11 = 336-08. Dasamsa Lagna will be

Simha. In Saptamsa Raman’s data gives Tula as Lagna. Same is the situation with

Lahiri. So at the very basic level, a query arises with reference to ayanamsa –

 

1. Which is the Saptamsa Lagna of Sri Tagore’s horoscope, Kanya or Tula?

Both Rasis are heavily afflicted and the judgment can be subjective unless some

event points to Budha or Sukra as having the lordship of children.

2. Which is the Dasamsa – Rasix10 or the Mihira’s D10? We must think over.

 

Course of Life:

 

Voyage to Europe – 18th year - September 1878: Ketu (dasa) – Guru (bhukti):

Lahiri puts the event in Sani (bhukti) – Which is the right choice, Guru or

Sani for the voyage for studies, career, across the seas?

 

Sani of Simha takes one to the hills or to the sea?

Guru of Kataka versus Sani of Simha – which one is more appropriate for sea voyage?

Event is going abroad, yes, Sani can cause the event by 12th lordship – but

contrast the nature of the event and Rasi-seelam. Journe! y is for career and

across the sea – life in sea – perhaps it took weeks to reach UK. Which planet

could have given such a life in the ship, in the ocean?

Guru is in exchange with Chandra – two watery signs influence Guru and Mahayoga

– can there be any other candidate to cause a voyage across the sea? Just think

over, I have no assertions.

If suppose we take Sani as causing this voyage, another query comes – Why the

Guru bhukti failed to cause any development in his career des! pite being 10th

lord exalted in 5th in exchange with Chandra?

Sanjay says, it is improper to travel during Guru, Tagore was in ship – in a

moving Home in the ocean. Separation from home is well explained by Dasa lord

Ketu in the 4th.

Raman’s ayanamsa – no comments. Sukra-Sukra, in astrology anything can be

justified by inventing logic because a great majority has no scientific

thinking and! Upasana.

 

Marriage 9 December 1883: Sukra (d) – Sukra (b): Kalatrakaraka and own varga in

Navamsa are the only factors, I can point out. If Surya could cause marriage by

virtue of association with Sukra and Budha by partaking their qualities and

duties, why didn’t Sukra cause marriage in his own bhukti? We must apply logic

fully to churn out the truth. !

 

§ Surya could have caused marriage, had there been failure by Sukra – not

by virtue of association but because he is lord of Navamsa-Lagna. Of course,

affliction of Surya by Rahu was an affliction over his marital life.

§ We must note that the Kalatrakaraka is in own varga in Navamsa and thus

favorable to cause marriage.

§ Imagine a situation of 1881 – when an astrologer could have predicted

Tagore’s marriage – in Sukra-Sukra that is unfolding or could anyone have said:

Sukra cannot cause marriage in his bhukti and Surya, the 6th Lord shall cause

marriage?

§ If Raman’s Venus-Moon is correct, what is Raman’s explanation for Venus

and Sun not causing marriage in their bhuktis? Raman needed such things as

stellar influence to justify his ayanamsa. What for is then Rasi and Vargas?

Stellar lordship is above Rasi and Varga? Raman’s ayanamsa can be justified

only with Raman’s astrology.

 

1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata was born in Sukra-Chandra (b): Whole of 1886

Chandra bhukti prevailed. With Raman marriage in Moon and Child in Rahu – and

the chart has the exchange of first lord Guru and 5th lord Chandra?

 

§ Sanjay has to hope for the event before June 1886 to place the birth of

daughter in Venus-Moon? Justifies Mars too. Good.

§ But while justifying Mars, should we not think as to why Chandra did

not give him a daughter during its bhukti despite being lord of 5th in exchange

with Guru? Unless, we answer this part, the predictive logic cannot be complete.

 

§ So all the three ayanamsas may be explaining child birth but Lahiri &

Raman cannot explain as to why Chandra did not give him a child during its

bhukti or why Sukra did not cause marriage to Tagore in Sukra bhukti. Only an

integrated evaluation can lead us to the truth.

 

22.12.1901: Shantiniketan – Surya (d): Chandra (b): Shantiniketan was born out

of his mind – the lord of which is in mutual exchange with 10th lord Guru.

Mahayoga caused by Chandra was operating to enable him to create an

Institution. 5th is the house of Vidya and the lord of Vidya formed mahayoga

with Karmapati.

 

Rx10, not the wrong Mihira conventional D10 has to be looked into for career.

Chandra is the lor! d of Rx10 Lagna. Sanjay has used the wrong Mihira D10 to

take dasamsa lagna as Dhanu and Kataka as 8th. Niyati cannot be so foolish –

see the beauty of astrology – Kataka, the source of his talents is the dasamsa

Lagna and Moon its lord is in Dhanu, the 10th house of Rasi. Mahayoga involving

1&5 thus gets related to 5&10 in Dasamsa and so he created an educational

institution.

 

Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902: Raman places the event in Sun-Sat.

Lahiri has the tragic event in Surya-Guru (b): How can this be explained?

 

§ Lahiri - How can Surya (d) – Guru (b) kill the wife?

§ Sun – Rahu (b) – I will put the blame on the affliction by Rahu on

Navamsa-Lagnapati. Lagna had navamsa in 6th with the lord afflicted by Rahu –

this is a very correct principle – afflicted lord of navamsa Lagna affects

marital life.

§ Rahu’s lordship, I don’t use. With my experience of the tradition, I am

not aware of a logic like Rahu is 7th lord or similar.

 

Daughter Renuka died in 1903 September: Sun – Guru (b), Karako bhavanasaya: Rx7

a! lso explains the event – Surya and Guru in Kendras in Saptamsa has evil

propensities in respect of 5th house. Lahiri places in Sun-Sat(b): Can be well

explained. Saturn afflicts the Rx7 Lagna of Lahiri.

 

Younger son died in 1907 November. Chandra-Chandra: Chandra as putrapati does

not favor male issues – 5th house sandwiched between malefics. Chandra-Kuja or

Rahu as per Lahiri – Classical rules on 5th house justify both the product! ive

and destructive roles of Chandra and Guru in respect of children.

 

Nobel Prize: September 1913: Chandra – Budha (b): Rx10, Budha is quite dominant

and influence Chandra and Guru. Of course, Budha is in 12th of Rx10Lagna and so

he used the money for social work. Award was for his work in literature and

Chandra and Budha are the most suited as per dasamsa.

 

§ Lahiri requires Ketu – but Ketu is in the house of Budha and then why

Budha did not get him the honour? If Ketu can why not his master Budha? If Ketu

could bring such an event why Budha had to be a dull period?

§ Budha brought the honor and Ketu saw him under limelight. Can’t this

be the correct interpretation?

 

Doctorate November 1913 – again Chandra-Budha.

Death 7 August 1941: Rahu-Kuja:

§ Sanjay, earlier said that –kaarakobhavanasaya is not applicable to such

a brilliant Jupiter. If so how can Guru in such auspicious yoga kill him?

§ We can justify saying that he had Moksha and so 10th lord in 5th was

the most appropriate agent to enable his crossing of Akasa Ganga. We must have

a whole some look – which ayanamsa gives a smooth explanation – not only

justifies! but also not generating questions like the ones I have raised like

why Sukra (b) did not cause marriage? Why Chandra (b) did not give a son?

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Cc: Sanjay Rath ; vedic astrology Monday, November 21,

2005 12:04 AM Re: Tagore comments which I had mailed you earlier Dear

Chandra Hari, I will continue to

communicate with you on other matters privately. But I will cc this one mail to

the lists, as the list may be interested in this too. I hope you don't mind.

I will explain the events using the tenets of astrology that *I* know, without

stretching things and without being intellectually dishonest. 1. Voyage:

Jupiter is the lagna lord in the 5th house. I absolutely cannot explain Jupiter

guiving foreign travel. Saturn is the 12th lord aspecting 12th house. He is in

the 9th from Rahu (karaka lagna). I see D-4 for residence and foreign travel.

In D-4, Saturn is the 12th lkord in 9th in watery Scorpio. Based on the

astrology that I know and practice, Saturn ius a clear winner. I am not

inventing logic. The 9th house, 12th house, Rahu (karaka) and D-4 being used

for foreign travel are basic factors I use always. 2. Venus is karaka in own

navamsa, true. But Sun is the lagna lord joining 7th lord Rahu in navamsa.

Definitely, Venus-Sun-Rahu pratyantardasa is a good candidate. Yes, Venus-Venus

could have given it too. But being karaka isn't enough. The 1st and 7th houses

of navamsa are as important as karaka. 3. Get the correct date and also tell

me if she was the first child or second child, i.e. if there was an abortion

first. Then I will look at it. 4. The 5th house is abilities and scholarship.

While houses show

intangible aspects of matters, their arudha padas show the tangible

manifestation. Bhava means a a concept or thought or a meaning. Arudha means

raised. Pada means a symbol or a word. Padas are to bhavas what words/symbols

are to meanings/concepts. Meanings, thoughts and concepts that one has in one's

mind are intangible to others, while words used to express them are tangible to

others. In my approach, I always see tangible aspects of various matters from

arudha padas. While the 4th house shows one's happiness from vehicle

(intangible), the arudha pada of 4th house shows vehicle itself (a tangible

article). While the 5th house may show one's abilities and scholarship, arudha

pada of 5th house may show tanginle articles reflecting on it, such as awards,

prizes, certificates etc. Similarly,

Shanti Niketan is a tangible thing. I'll see it from the arudha pada of 5th

house in dasamsa chart. Of course, I don't buy your Rx10 and will use the

standard Parasari dasamsa which I have used in hundreds of charts to make

predictions. In D-10, A5 (arudha pada of 5th house) is in Leo. The 3rd lord

(initiative) Rahu is in it and its lord is Sun, who is in lagna. No wonder,

Sun-Rahu antardasa gave rise to Shanti Niketan. 5. Jupiter is the 8th lord in

7th, i.e. a maraka, in navamsa. Saturn, OTOH, is the 7th lord and protects wife.

It is Jupiter can harm and end the marriage. 6-7. I'll leave for now. Want to

hurry up and sleep. You don't seem to have the exact dates too. 8. I agree

Mercury AD is better. But the AD change happened in Sept 1913. With a little

difference in birthtime, the event can move to Mercury AD even with Lahiri

ayanamsa. So let us skip this border case. 9. We use D-24 for learning

matters. In D-24, the 2nd house is occupied by Moon and owned by Ketu.

Moon-Ketu can give an advanced degree. 10. When using Vimsottari dasa as a

maraka dasa (as opposed to an ayurdasa), I did not get perfect results by

sticking to normal Janma Vimsottari dasa. In some charts, Kshema Vimsottari

dasa or Adhana Vimsottari dasa work better. In Tagore's case, there are more

planets in quadrants from Kshema nakshatra (Krittika) than from Janma nakshatra

(Revati). As per this variation, his death occurred in

Mercury-Venus-Mercury pratyantardasa. Mercury is the 7th lord and Venus is the

7th lord and both occupy the 2nd house. Based on classic Parasari principles,

they are both perfect marakas! Best regards, Narasimha ----- Original

Message ----- chandra hari Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Sunday,

November 20, 2005 11:19 PM

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Daúa at birth: Budha: 13 years - 00 months - 02 days: Up to 09 May 1874 §

Sikhi ® From 09 May 1874 to 09 May 1881 § Sukra

® 09 May 1881 to 09 May 1901

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® 09 May

mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"> 1924 to 09 May 1942 This is a chart where the

Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman, Lahiri and the ayanamsa I have

proposed. But the Rasix10, dasamsa Lagna is different for Raman ayanamsa as his

Lagna will be 333-57+2-11 = 336-08. Dasamsa Lagna will be Simha. In Saptamsa

Raman’s data gives Tula as Lagna. Same is the situation with Lahiri. So at the

very basic level, a query arises with reference to ayanamsa –

1. Which is the Saptamsa Lagna of Sri Tagore’s horoscope, Kanya or Tula?

Both Rasis are heavily afflicted and the judgment can be subjective unless some

event points to Budha or Sukra as having the lordship of children. 2.

Which is the Dasamsa – Rasix10 or the Mihira’s D10? We must think over.

Course of Life:

0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"> Voyage to Europe – 18th year - September 1878: Ketu

(dasa) – Guru (bhukti): Lahiri puts the event in Sani (bhukti) – Which is the

right choice, Guru or Sani for the voyage for studies, career, across the seas?

Sani of Simha takes one to the hills or to the sea? Guru of Kataka versus

Sani of Simha – which one is more appropriate for sea voyage? Event is going

abroad, yes, Sani can cause the event by 12th lordship – but contrast

the nature of the event and Rasi-seelam. Journe! y is for career and across the

sea – life in sea – perhaps it took weeks to reach UK. Which planet could have

given such a life in the ship, in the ocean? Guru is in exchange with Chandra

– two watery signs influence Guru and Mahayoga – can there be any other

candidate to cause a voyage across the sea? Just think over, I have no

assertions. If suppose we take Sani as causing this voyage, another query

comes – Why the Guru bhukti failed to

cause any development in his career des! pite being 10th lord exalted in 5th in

exchange with Chandra? Sanjay says, it is improper to travel during Guru,

Tagore was in ship – in a moving Home in the ocean. Separation from home is

well explained by Dasa lord Ketu in the 4th. Raman’s ayanamsa – no comments.

Sukra-Sukra, in astrology anything can be justified by inventing logic because

a great majority has

no scientific thinking and! Upasana. Marriage 9 December 1883: Sukra (d) –

Sukra (b): Kalatrakaraka and own varga in Navamsa are the only factors, I can

point out. If Surya could cause marriage by virtue of association with Sukra

and Budha by partaking their qualities and duties, why didn’t Sukra cause

marriage in his own bhukti? We must apply logic fully to churn out the truth.

! § Surya could have caused marriage, had there been failure by Sukra

– not by virtue of association but because he is lord of Navamsa-Lagna. Of

course, affliction of Surya by Rahu was an affliction over his marital life.

§ We must note that the Kalatrakaraka is in own varga in Navamsa and

thus favorable to cause marriage. §

Imagine a situation of 1881 – when an astrologer could have predicted Tagore’s

marriage – in Sukra-Sukra that is unfolding or could anyone have said: Sukra

cannot cause marriage in his bhukti and Surya, the 6th Lord shall cause

marriage? § If Raman’s Venus-Moon is correct, what is Raman’s

explanation for Venus and Sun not causing marriage in their bhuktis? Raman

needed such things as stellar influence to justify his ayanamsa. What for is

then Rasi and Vargas? Stellar lordship is above Rasi and Varga? Raman’s

ayanamsa can be justified only with Raman’s astrology. 1886 – His daughter

Madhuri Lata was born in Sukra-Chandra (b): Whole of 1886 Chandra bhukti

prevailed. With Raman marriage in Moon and Child in Rahu – and the chart has

the

exchange of first lord Guru and 5th lord Chandra? § Sanjay has to hope

for the event before June 1886 to place the birth of daughter in Venus-Moon?

Justifies Mars too. Good.

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But while justifying Mars, should we not think as to why Chandra did not give

him a daughter during its bhukti despite being lord of 5th in exchange with

Guru? Unless, we answer this part, the predictive logic cannot be complete. §

'Times New Roman'"> So all the three ayanamsas may be explaining child

birth but Lahiri & Raman cannot explain as to why Chandra did not give him a

child during its bhukti or why Sukra did not cause marriage to Tagore in Sukra

bhukti. Only an integrated evaluation can lead us to the truth.

tab: list .5in">22.12.1901: Shantiniketan – Surya (d): Chandra (b):

Shantiniketan was born out of his mind – the lord of which is in mutual

exchange with 10th lord Guru. Mahayoga caused by Chandra was operating to

enable him to create an Institution. 5th is the house of Vidya and the lord of

Vidya formed mahayoga with Karmapati. Rx10, not the wrong Mihira

conventional D10 has to be looked into for career. Chandra is the lor! d

of Rx10 Lagna. Sanjay has used the wrong Mihira D10 to take dasamsa lagna as

Dhanu and Kataka as 8th. Niyati cannot be so foolish – see the beauty of

astrology – Kataka, the source of his talents is the dasamsa Lagna and Moon its

lord is in Dhanu, the 10th house of Rasi. Mahayoga involving 1&5 thus gets

related to 5&10 in Dasamsa and so he created an educational institution.

Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902: Raman places the event in

Sun-Sat. Lahiri has the tragic event in Surya-Guru (b): How can this be

explained? § Lahiri - How can Surya (d) – Guru (b) kill the wife?

§ Sun – Rahu (b) – I will put the blame on the affliction by Rahu on

Navamsa-Lagnapati. Lagna had navamsa in 6th with the lord afflicted by Rahu –

this is a very correct principle – afflicted lord of navamsa Lagna affects

marital life.

Arial; mso-bidi-font-: 12.0pt">§ Rahu’s lordship, I don’t use. With my

experience of the tradition, I am not aware of a logic like Rahu is 7th lord or

similar. Daughter Renuka died in 1903 September: Sun – Guru (b), Karako

bhavanasaya: Rx7 a! lso explains

the event – Surya and Guru in Kendras in Saptamsa has evil propensities in

respect of 5th house. Lahiri places in Sun-Sat(b): Can be well explained.

Saturn afflicts the Rx7 Lagna of Lahiri. Younger son died in 1907 November.

Chandra-Chandra: Chandra as putrapati does not favor male issues – 5th house

sandwiched between malefics. Chandra-Kuja or Rahu as per Lahiri – Classical

rules on 5th house justify both the product! ive and

destructive roles of Chandra and Guru in respect of children. Nobel Prize:

September 1913: Chandra – Budha (b): Rx10, Budha is quite dominant and

influence Chandra and Guru. Of course, Budha is in 12th of Rx10Lagna and so he

used the money for social work. Award was for his work in literature and

Chandra and Budha are the most suited as per dasamsa.

justify"> § Lahiri requires Ketu – but Ketu is in the house of Budha

and then why Budha did not get him the honour? If Ketu can why not his master

Budha? If Ketu could bring such an event why Budha had to be a dull period?

tab-stops: list .75in">§ Budha brought the honor and Ketu saw him under

limelight. Can’t this be the correct interpretation? Doctorate November

1913 – again

Chandra-Budha. Death 7 August 1941: Rahu-Kuja: § Sanjay, earlier said

that –kaarakobhavanasaya is not applicable to such a brilliant Jupiter. If so

how can Guru in such auspicious yoga kill him? § We can justify saying

that he had Moksha and so 10th lord in 5th was the most appropriate agent to

enable his crossing of Akasa Ganga. We must have a whole some look – which

ayanamsa gives a smooth explanation – not only justifies! but also not

generating

questions like the ones I have raised like why Sukra (b) did not cause marriage?

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Dear Chandra Hari,

 

Just one fact you migt want to keep in mind: Shantiniketan was not born out of

Rabindranath's mind. It was born out of the mind of and established by his

father Maharshi Debendranath Tagore, a very spiritual person. Rabindranath felt

the milieu was perfect for the College/university that he had in mind. The

Visvabharati University was born out of Rabindranath's mind and was his

singular contribution. Since Visvabharati is located in Shantiniketan and

Tagore spent a lot of time there, the misconception is there among many that

Tagore established Sjantiniketan. People who were involved in the Visvabharati

University movement since its inception and helped shape Tagore's ideas were C.

F. Andrews and Brahmabandhab Upadhyay among others.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoMonday, November 21, 2005 10:34 AMTo:

chandra hariCc: Sanjay Rath; vedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Tagore comments which I had mailed you earlier

Dear Chandra Hari,

 

I will continue to communicate with you on other matters privately. But I will

cc this one mail to the lists, as the list may be interested in this too. I

hope you don't mind.

 

I will explain the events using the tenets of astrology that *I* know, without

stretching things and without being intellectually dishonest.

 

1. Voyage: Jupiter is the lagna lord in the 5th house. I absolutely cannot

explain Jupiter guiving foreign travel. Saturn is the 12th lord aspecting 12th

house. He is in the 9th from Rahu (karaka lagna).

 

I see D-4 for residence and foreign travel. In D-4, Saturn is the 12th lkord in

9th in watery Scorpio.

 

Based on the astrology that I know and practice, Saturn ius a clear winner. I am

not inventing logic. The 9th house, 12th house, Rahu (karaka) and D-4 being used

for foreign travel are basic factors I use always.

 

2. Venus is karaka in own navamsa, true. But Sun is the lagna lord joining 7th

lord Rahu in navamsa. Definitely, Venus-Sun-Rahu pratyantardasa is a good

candidate. Yes, Venus-Venus could have given it too. But being karaka isn't

enough. The 1st and 7th houses of navamsa are as important as karaka.

 

3. Get the correct date and also tell me if she was the first child or second

child, i.e. if there was an abortion first. Then I will look at it.

 

4. The 5th house is abilities and scholarship. While houses show intangible

aspects of matters, their arudha padas show the tangible manifestation. Bhava

means a a concept or thought or a meaning. Arudha means raised. Pada means a

symbol or a word. Padas are to bhavas what words/symbols are to

meanings/concepts. Meanings, thoughts and concepts that one has in one's mind

are intangible to others, while words used to express them are tangible to

others.

 

In my approach, I always see tangible aspects of various matters from arudha

padas. While the 4th house shows one's happiness from vehicle (intangible), the

arudha pada of 4th house shows vehicle itself (a tangible article). While the

5th house may show one's abilities and scholarship, arudha pada of 5th house

may show tanginle articles reflecting on it, such as awards, prizes,

certificates etc.

 

Similarly, Shanti Niketan is a tangible thing. I'll see it from the arudha pada

of 5th house in dasamsa chart. Of course, I don't buy your Rx10 and will use

the standard Parasari dasamsa which I have used in hundreds of charts to make

predictions.

 

In D-10, A5 (arudha pada of 5th house) is in Leo. The 3rd lord (initiative) Rahu

is in it and its lord is Sun, who is in lagna. No wonder, Sun-Rahu antardasa

gave rise to Shanti Niketan.

 

5. Jupiter is the 8th lord in 7th, i.e. a maraka, in navamsa. Saturn, OTOH, is

the 7th lord and protects wife. It is Jupiter can harm and end the marriage.

 

6-7. I'll leave for now. Want to hurry up and sleep. You don't seem to have the exact dates too.

 

8. I agree Mercury AD is better. But the AD change happened in Sept 1913. With a

little difference in birthtime, the event can move to Mercury AD even with

Lahiri ayanamsa. So let us skip this border case.

 

9. We use D-24 for learning matters. In D-24, the 2nd house is occupied by Moon

and owned by Ketu. Moon-Ketu can give an advanced degree.

 

10. When using Vimsottari dasa as a maraka dasa (as opposed to an ayurdasa), I

did not get perfect results by sticking to normal Janma Vimsottari dasa. In

some charts, Kshema Vimsottari dasa or Adhana Vimsottari dasa work better. In

Tagore's case, there are more planets in quadrants from Kshema nakshatra

(Krittika) than from Janma nakshatra (Revati). As per this variation, his death

occurred in Mercury-Venus-Mercury pratyantardasa. Mercury is the 7th lord and

Venus is the 7th lord and both occupy the 2nd house. Based on classic Parasari

principles, they are both perfect marakas!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-

chandra hari

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:19 PM

Tagore comments which I had mailed you earlier

Sri Ravindranatha Tagore

 

07.05.1861, 0251 LMT, 0227 IST at 22N40, 88E30

 

 

Lagna

Chand.

Sukra

Budha! Ravi

Kuja

Sikhi

 

Râúi

Guru

 

Sani

Râhu

 

 

 

 

Lagna

333057’

Ravi

23037’

Chandra

349048’

Kuja

59025’

Budha

07007’

Guru

115013’

Úukra

22021’

Úani

130000’

Râhu

264006’

Úikhi

84006’

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Sikhi

Sani

Budha

Guru

Navâmúa

 

 

Lagna

Chandra

Ravi

Râhu

Sukra

Kuja

 

 

Ayanâmsa Used: 22039’ (Hari)

 

 

 

 

Budha

Guru

 

 

 

Budha

Kuja

Rahu

Guru

 

Râsix10

Career

Lagna

 

 

Râsix7

Children

 

 

Nodes

 

Chandra

 

Chandra

Ravi

Kuja

Sukra Sani

 

 

 

 

Sikhi

Sani

Lagna

Ravi

Sukra

 

 

 

v Profile of Planetary Influence

 

Daúa at birth: Budha: 13 years - 00 months - 02 days: Up to 09 May 1874

 

§

Roman'"> Sikhi ® From 09 May 1874 to 09 May 1881

§

Roman'"> Sukra ® 09 May 1881 to 09 May 1901

§ Surya ® 09 May 1901 to 09 May 1907

§ Chandra ® 09 May 1907 to 09 May 1917

§ Kuja &! nbsp; ® 09 May 1917 to 09 May 1924

§

Roman'"> Râhu ® 09 May 1924 to 09 May 1942

 

This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman, Lahiri and the

ayanamsa I have proposed. But the Rasix10, dasamsa Lagna is different for Raman

ayanamsa as his Lagna will be 333-57+2-11 = 336-08. Dasamsa Lagna will be

Simha. In Saptamsa Raman’s data gives Tula as Lagna. Same is the situation with

Lahiri. So at the very basic level, a query arises with reference to ayanamsa –

 

1. Which is the Saptamsa Lagna of Sri Tagore’s horoscope, Kanya or Tula?

Both Rasis are heavily afflicted and the judgment can be subjective unless some

event points to Budha or Sukra as having the lordship of children.

2. Which is the Dasamsa – Rasix10 or the Mihira’s D10? We must think over.

 

Course of Life:

 

Voyage to Europe – 18th year - September 1878: Ketu (dasa) – Guru (bhukti):

Lahiri puts the event in Sani (bhukti) – Which is the right choice, Guru or

Sani for the voyage for studies, career, across the seas?

 

Sani of Simha takes one to the hills or to the sea?

Guru of Kataka versus Sani of Simha – which one is more appropriate for sea voyage?

Event is going abroad, yes, Sani can cause the event by 12th lordship – but

contrast the nature of the event and Rasi-seelam. Journe! y is for career and

across the sea – life in sea – perhaps it took weeks to reach UK. Which planet

could have given such a life in the ship, in the ocean?

Guru is in exchange with Chandra – two watery signs influence Guru and Mahayoga

– can there be any other candidate to cause a voyage across the sea? Just think

over, I have no assertions.

If suppose we take Sani as causing this voyage, another query comes – Why the

Guru bhukti failed to cause any development in his career des! pite being 10th

lord exalted in 5th in exchange with Chandra?

Sanjay says, it is improper to travel during Guru, Tagore was in ship – in a

moving Home in the ocean. Separation from home is well explained by Dasa lord

Ketu in the 4th.

Raman’s ayanamsa – no comments. Sukra-Sukra, in astrology anything can be

justified by inventing logic because a great majority has no scientific

thinking and! Upasana.

 

Marriage 9 December 1883: Sukra (d) – Sukra (b): Kalatrakaraka and own varga in

Navamsa are the only factors, I can point out. If Surya could cause marriage by

virtue of association with Sukra and Budha by partaking their qualities and

duties, why didn’t Sukra cause marriage in his own bhukti? We must apply logic

fully to churn out the truth. !

 

§ Surya could have caused marriage, had there been failure by Sukra – not

by virtue of association but because he is lord of Navamsa-Lagna. Of course,

affliction of Surya by Rahu was an affliction over his marital life.

§ We must note that the Kalatrakaraka is in own varga in Navamsa and thus

favorable to cause marriage.

§ Imagine a situation of 1881 – when an astrologer could have predicted

Tagore’s marriage – in Sukra-Sukra that is unfolding or could anyone have said:

Sukra cannot cause marriage in his bhukti and Surya, the 6th Lord shall cause

marriage?

§ If Raman’s Venus-Moon is correct, what is Raman’s explanation for Venus

and Sun not causing marriage in their bhuktis? Raman needed such things as

stellar influence to justify his ayanamsa. What for is then Rasi and Vargas?

Stellar lordship is above Rasi and Varga? Raman’s ayanamsa can be justified

only with Raman’s astrology.

 

1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata was born in Sukra-Chandra (b): Whole of 1886

Chandra bhukti prevailed. With Raman marriage in Moon and Child in Rahu – and

the chart has the exchange of first lord Guru and 5th lord Chandra?

 

§ Sanjay has to hope for the event before June 1886 to place the birth of

daughter in Venus-Moon? Justifies Mars too. Good.

§ But while justifying Mars, should we not think as to why Chandra did

not give him a daughter during its bhukti despite being lord of 5th in exchange

with Guru? Unless, we answer this part, the predictive logic cannot be complete.

 

§ So all the three ayanamsas may be explaining child birth but Lahiri &

Raman cannot explain as to why Chandra did not give him a child during its

bhukti or why Sukra did not cause marriage to Tagore in Sukra bhukti. Only an

integrated evaluation can lead us to the truth.

 

22.12.1901: Shantiniketan – Surya (d): Chandra (b): Shantiniketan was born out

of his mind – the lord of which is in mutual exchange with 10th lord Guru.

Mahayoga caused by Chandra was operating to enable him to create an

Institution. 5th is the house of Vidya and the lord of Vidya formed mahayoga

with Karmapati.

 

Rx10, not the wrong Mihira conventional D10 has to be looked into for career.

Chandra is the lor! d of Rx10 Lagna. Sanjay has used the wrong Mihira D10 to

take dasamsa lagna as Dhanu and Kataka as 8th. Niyati cannot be so foolish –

see the beauty of astrology – Kataka, the source of his talents is the dasamsa

Lagna and Moon its lord is in Dhanu, the 10th house of Rasi. Mahayoga involving

1&5 thus gets related to 5&10 in Dasamsa and so he created an educational

institution.

 

Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902: Raman places the event in Sun-Sat.

Lahiri has the tragic event in Surya-Guru (b): How can this be explained?

 

§ Lahiri - How can Surya (d) – Guru (b) kill the wife?

§ Sun – Rahu (b) – I will put the blame on the affliction by Rahu on

Navamsa-Lagnapati. Lagna had navamsa in 6th with the lord afflicted by Rahu –

this is a very correct principle – afflicted lord of navamsa Lagna affects

marital life.

§ Rahu’s lordship, I don’t use. With my experience of the tradition, I am

not aware of a logic like Rahu is 7th lord or similar.

 

Daughter Renuka died in 1903 September: Sun – Guru (b), Karako bhavanasaya: Rx7

a! lso explains the event – Surya and Guru in Kendras in Saptamsa has evil

propensities in respect of 5th house. Lahiri places in Sun-Sat(b): Can be well

explained. Saturn afflicts the Rx7 Lagna of Lahiri.

 

Younger son died in 1907 November. Chandra-Chandra: Chandra as putrapati does

not favor male issues – 5th house sandwiched between malefics. Chandra-Kuja or

Rahu as per Lahiri – Classical rules on 5th house justify both the product! ive

and destructive roles of Chandra and Guru in respect of children.

 

Nobel Prize: September 1913: Chandra – Budha (b): Rx10, Budha is quite dominant

and influence Chandra and Guru. Of course, Budha is in 12th of Rx10Lagna and so

he used the money for social work. Award was for his work in literature and

Chandra and Budha are the most suited as per dasamsa.

 

§ Lahiri requires Ketu – but Ketu is in the house of Budha and then why

Budha did not get him the honour? If Ketu can why not his master Budha? If Ketu

could bring such an event why Budha had to be a dull period?

§ Budha brought the honor and Ketu saw him under limelight. Can’t this

be the correct interpretation?

 

Doctorate November 1913 – again Chandra-Budha.

Death 7 August 1941: Rahu-Kuja:

§ Sanjay, earlier said that –kaarakobhavanasaya is not applicable to such

a brilliant Jupiter. If so how can Guru in such auspicious yoga kill him?

§ We can justify saying that he had Moksha and so 10th lord in 5th was

the most appropriate agent to enable his crossing of Akasa Ganga. We must have

a whole some look – which ayanamsa gives a smooth explanation – not only

justifies! but also not generating questions like the ones I have raised like

why Sukra (b) did not cause marriage? Why Chandra (b) did not give a son?

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