vargas to Pradeep,Anurag etc

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Re: Queries about Event-Dasha-Transit

 

1.The changes I make in the DATA sheet do not affect the other

sheets. Unprotecting helps but only if I refresh cell by cell. What

should I do to modify all calculations at the same time?

Anil: Goto tools-option-calculation and choose auto then OK and save

sheet.

 

2. Any way to get South Indian format charts?

Anil: You try to get excel sheets from Imran/Visti. they give it but

you

will need to adjust the code.

 

3.Also, I would like to learn about using all the features in the

program eg.muhurta. I have PVRN's book but that's not exhaustive. Can

you suggest any websites that give info about the different features?

Anil: I collected this from several sources. Get a good book on

Muhurta

and Panchang.

 

4. can you consider adding horary number feature too.BTW which cusp

system is implimented in Event hora IN KP calculation.

Anil: Can you explain more about horary number. I am not aware of

this.

I have given 108/1800/249.

You can enter any number even for above cases and it will be

converted to

desired range automatically. Placidus system has been used with KP

ayanansha. You try to check with manual calculation and if there is

some

difference let me know.

 

Thanks for your interest.

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Dear Pradeep,

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Varg is different from division or Amsha. Varg means class.

eg. Vargeekaran=classification. so the word divisional chart is not

correct for varg charts.

 

Main chart is just the Bha-chakr without any division. It contains

only grahas and bhavas. Just mark the longitude on circle calibrated

into

360 degrees where each degree is again maked with 60 minutes and each

minute

is in 60 seconds. so we calibrate Bha-chakr in 360*60*60=1296000

points and

mark the location of all planets and houses as per their longitude.

Here we

can see which planet is in which house on the basis of longitude and

we do

not need any signs here. This is actual representation of sky map

visible

at the time of birth.

 

Sage Parashar has not defined the starting point of Bha-chakr.This is

why any point as per convenience can be choosen.We have Sayan and

Niryan(here also many variations) based on starting point.Then we

have Bhrigu system

where Natural lordship of houses is very important. Some people use

Lagn=Mesh(starting point).This is the basis for Arun-Sanhita (Lal-

Kitab).

One can also count from some Nakshatr to see relevent good/bad

effects.

See concept of Sthunas etc. in Prashn-Marg and Different Dashas start

from different Nakshatras in BPHS.Thus Main chart only has BHAV and

Grah.

 

Now sage Parashar says 1/12th of Bha-chakr is Rashi.So when we divide

it

in 12 parts,we get first division.Now we classify planets and houses

as per

their placement into different divisions. This classification is

called

Rashi varg. Similarly,we can divide it further to get other vargas.

This classification is based on Ansha/parts/divisions in which

planets etc.

are placed. Collective name for a classification containing all

planets etc. based on same method of division is called varg. For the

sake of clear

differentiation,we call them D1,D2,D60,Dn etc. Here n shows no of

divisions

within a sign.When we divide on the basis of Navmansh,we call it

Nav-Navmansh,Navmansh dwadashansh etc.Similarly we can further divide

any varg in 16 types as we do with Rashi.

 

Now you can see that in D1,we assign Rashis to 12 divisions of Bha-

Chakr

and consider their lords as Bhavesh. We similarly consider signs in

vargas

and therefore they also have lords which by same logic are bhavesh

for that

varg.Following verse clearly shows that vargas are different from

Anshas.

 

par5160.itx(283): lagnAdupachaye ketau yogakArakasaMyute |

shubhAMshe shubhavarge cha shubhakarmaphalodayaH || 62||

 

Meaning : Ketu in upachaya with Yogakaaraka in benefic Ansha

(division)

and benefic varga gives fruits of good Karma. I consider Ansha as sign

and varga as house in divisional chart.

 

Now why we do so many divisions? This has been already explained using

example of world map. Can we define a map in different ways? Yes.

If we need to see natural land/hills/river etc,we use different map

while

we use different map for showing matters like population etc. Even

though area is same,we use different colour codes etc to show

different matters.

Similarly,we can find vargas based on division in different ways to

see

different things. This is why we have several variations of some

charts

like D3. In short,D1 is parent and other 15 vargas are children.Some

children are twins. Children can have grand-children as well.

 

Hope you are satsfied now.

 

Thank you for your interest

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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I am appending earlier mail below:

 

On the map of world you locate country eg. India.

Then you magnify India region to locate state eg. Delhi.

Then you magnify Delhi region to locate different villages/towns.

Then you magnify the town region to locate your street.

Then you magnify the street to locate your home.

Then you magnify your home to see different rooms.

Then you magnify your bed-room to see your bed.

 

Theorotically, your bed has a unique lattitude and longitude so it is

possible to see it on the map of world but no one can do not.So based

on what we want to see we magnify the map selectively untill desired

thing

is visible.If I just want to locate delhi,there is no point in

magnifying

further but when I want to locate an address in delhi,I have to do

that.

 

Now as you know that the area of view is fixed(size of your

monitor/paper).

So on world map, India may appear in East but in map of India,Delhi

will

appear in north while your town may be seen in west in the map of

Delhi.

 

You can argue that it has only one longitude so it must appear at same

point but depending on magnification,it will change its direction. Now

as you know that we locate exact direction on 360 degree circle,the

longitude of place will change from map to map. This new longitude is

MUST for you if you want to know exactly where it is located.

 

Now apply it to birth-map of sky i.e. birth-chart.

you can easily understand the need of varg-charts and varg-

longitudes.

You can still give one argument:

Instead of changing longitude,we should magnify the scale of map so

that

with same longitude,we can locate the place in each map.

While this is acceptable,there is a big problem of recalibration of

scale

for each map. To avoid this,we use same scale and re-calculate the

longitude. This is much easier as our canvass remains same.

Would you like to change your moniter every time you find that entire

document is not visible on screen? It is definatly better to scroll

the documents instead of changing screens.

All attributes of world map are preserved in every magnified map. Only

the area covered by map is different. Same applies to varg-charts.

Anilkumar

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UL in D1 and D9

 

Dear Anurag,I am giving some hints for better understanding.

 

(1) You know about UL in D1 and from it,time *your* marriage.

(2) Now, in D9,take 7th as lagn of spouse and consider it as her D1.

(3) Using rules as in D1, find time of *spouse* marriage.

(4) If you wish,you can find varg vinshottary dasha using varg

longitude of Chandr and time her marriage.

(5) Now find the overlapping period in both charts to fix the date.

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Additional Hints:

once you have D1 for spouse with longitudes,you can find her D9 too!

This will again show YOU! D9 of spouse is your D81 and D81 lagn must

show her spouse ie YOU. So this must be like your D1 lagn.

 

This is the very basis for Kund-Rectification.

 

Now we know that exact longitudes are calculated for Kund-

Rectification.

This clearly shows existance of longitudes in vargas.

 

In kund-Rectification,trines are also allowed. This 120 degree change

in D81 corresponds to 120/81 degrees in D1. It takes about 6 minutes

time.

 

Now you see that this is the duration for PranPad lagn!

 

In practise,we can choose nearest time so just +/- 3 minutes are

enough

for Rectification.

 

Similarly, you can find D3 of your spouse to see her brother,D12 for

mother

D7 for children etc.Thus we can easily understand the meaning of

vargas from

the calculation method.

 

I will give another example.

Hora chart is much disputed but I found 2 charts giving good results.

 

Yavan Hora: First hora of same sign and second hora of 11th.

11th house shows Income/Profits. This Hora gives excellent results for

income.

 

Another Hora: First hora same sign and second hora 2nd(next) sign.

2nd shows accumulation etc. This hora gives good results for wealth.

This may be called Garg-Hora but I do not have classical proof.

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Dear Vasu, you wrote:

"On computation of formula (CxPxA)+M+G+L, dividing by

12, if we get remainder as 0, what does it denote."

 

Anil: In Jyotish whenever you find such case of 0 remainder,

you ALWAYS take it equal to the divisor. In the above case, it is 12.

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Dear Jyothi, you wrote:

 

"shouldn't there be an indication in Rasi chart to show what sort of

treatment the native receives from people with whom he interacts

including all types of partners? If yes, what or where is that

indicator?"

 

Anil: Note "Navamansh Rashi of 7th bhav-bhavesh-karak of D1" in D1.

If it is well placed then predict good results.

Similarly treat D9 as D1 of spouse and find interaction from

partner's view.

See my reply to Anurag for more detail.

 

" Do you mean such an indication can be received only from Navamsa

and not from Rasi? If Rasi shows only a one way relationship (outward

from native), then how can it give an outline of what are the factors

that affect a

native? For eg, how can one say a divorce from a Rasi chart as

divorce is an outcome of the bitter experiences a native receives

 

from his/her partner? Shouldnt there be an indication of the

partners' reaction to the native in the Rasi chart?"

 

Anil: You can see everything from native's point in D1. From spouse's

point you can see it in D9.Similarly extend to other vargas.

 

"Doesn't the `marital environment' which was on the

`OTHER side(=spouse's side=Navamsa) before marriage

come to ones own side(=native's =Rasi) after marriage?

Where does that clubbing occur in Rasi chart? Or where in Rasi

chart, the line is drawn? (Can we differentiate so?)

Or is the interpretation time-dependant?"

 

Anil: What about parents,co-borns etc. of native? There is no change

in sides for any one(chart). Interpretation depends on Dasha and

transit

which are based on time.

 

"In the case before marriage, I understand that the Navamsa shows the

 

marital environment (spouse, spouse's relatives, family etc).

But after marriage if one needs to check the `marital environment' of

 

a person, which will you check? Rasi or Navamsa of that person? (as

 

the spouse's environment now has a significant effect on ones'own

 

environment.)

For eg:, Say a couple is undergoing a bad married life, one of them

 

approaches you to check the prospects of their life.

Which will you check? You will check the 'environment' in Rasi or

 

Navamsa of that person?"

 

Anil: You check D1 for native and D9 for spouse.They may be different.

eg. wife may be enjoying fan in winter but husband is feeling cold in

same

room. Similarly many things can be different from physical/mental

areas.

 

"I believe Rasi should definitely be checked. If correct, then isn't

 

Rasi chart also showing the 'marital envronment' you mentioned? Not

 

only the Navamsa? Or is it again time dependant - before marriage

Navamsa and after marriage Rasi?"

 

Anil: What happens when wife goes to meet her parents or husband is

out

of station for business? Aren't both feeling differently?

Just stick to the words of sage Parashar.Every one else can be wrong.

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Dear Pradeep, you wrote:

"Navamsha charts that we are deriving are infact representing aspects.

Aspects need not be Grahadrishti alone."

 

Anil: This is totally wrong thinking. Drishty is well defined in BPHS.

It is seen in all vargas because it is based on sign which exist in

all

divisions. According to finn, in western system also aspects are used

in harmonics. There it is based on mutual placement of signs and

Anshas.

so your idea of aspect do not match with vedic and western methods.

If your understanding of aspect is different from Drishty of

grah/rashi

kindly use specific words to avoid any confusion.

 

"Nava-Navamsha is just the navamsha of navamsha- another

ninth harmonic of navamsha.It can just go on like this.

One can use navamsha as a chart if one can understand the

interlinkage.

But when one understands this, he will not see them in isolation.

 

Planets that we see from varga lagnas,are harmonic influences on the

 

said signs."

 

Anil: Thanks for accepting navamsha as a chart.

Now can you give me any quote from BPHS to justify your claim that

vargas are not to be seen in isolation? It is solely your personal

view.

 

"Regarding your Kosha grouping - i have no idea.It need not stop at

 

Shashtyamsha.There are higher divisions as per nadi.Then why are we

 

stopping at shashtyamsha."

 

Anil: I do not accept this view of Kosha grouping. There may be some

link

between 5 koshas and 5 levels of Dashas given by sage Parashar. Our

Karmas

are stored in Manomay kosh.Unless Dasha activates our past karmas,how

can

we experience the results. It is for this reason, Moon is selected for

calculation of dashas and interpretation of transits.

 

However if one accept it, 5 koshas are over upto D60.It must stop at

that point.Higher anshas in nadi are just the extention of these

basic vargas given in BPHS as I have explained in this mail to Surya

Rao.

 

According to Puranas,5 koshas are divided into 3 shariras like this:

Sthool sharir: Annamay kosh

Sookshm Sharir: Pranmay,manomay,vigyanmay kosh

Karan sharir: Anandmay kosh

 

Only sthool sharir changes in different births. Other shariras remain

permanantly with Atma. They never separate atleast untill Moksh is

obtained.

 

"If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is nothing but

MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not been

 

sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such assumptions.This

 

will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS concept''.

 

Anil: I have explained degrees in D81 with classical reference to

Kunda.

I have also explained that Bha-chakr is same but it can be divided

into

different vargas based on different anshas.So it creates no problem at

any level but you have to admit vargat-vargam as given in Prashn-Marg.

 

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Dear Surya Rao, you wrote:

"So even if someone follows logic, Vimsottari can have a

max longevity of only 13.33 years with Navamsa Chandra."

 

Anil: Please read my earlier post comparing birth map with world map.

Vargas are just enlargement of selected points in birth map.

Is there any rule that the map of world lasts longer then map of city?

If both are of same quality,they will last for equal duration.

 

"See how many signs are involved even if we consider Rasi

alone. It can be more than 8 if we take AVmax sign of Guru also.

just imagine someone applies such formulae to Vargas treated as

independent. Guru shall cause children in all rasis? Then how shall

one predict?"

 

Anil: We have to carefully select stronger sign.

Then in both D1 and D7 you take those which are present in both

charts.

Trikon shodhan and Ekadhipatya shodhan are used for similar purpose

in AV.

However, in many cases,translators change AND into OR.In some

cases,AND

is clearly mentioned and in others,we need to conclude from

references.

 

"Rajayoga have been predicted in respect of what - Rasi or other

Vargas?"

 

Anil: Raj-yoga in D-chart is for that chart only. Read the story of

Kalidas

how a poor and fool was married to most intelligent princess.

 

Here D9 will indicate raj-yoga but not D1. Can someone provide his

chart?

Regarding houses, It is not neessary that all signs must be present

to calculate Bhavas.In Chalit/KP you can have 3 houses lorded by

single planet and some signs do not have any house cusp.

 

"A planet is beneficial for the native based on Lagna -is it? Can

that change in the case of Varga where Lagna may be different?

See for Kanya Lagna is Mars is dire malefic and so it

will be for the native. Now say Kanya has navamsa

in Leo. Shall malefics Mars become benevolent for spouse?"

 

Anil: Yes. Functional nature changes with Lagn as per the rules of

BPHS.

This is a good situation for chart-matching. eg. If one has bad

health,

other will have good health and can take care of spouse.

 

"it must be clearly understood that Gemini Lagna_Libra navamsa is not

the same as Aries Lagna_Libra Navamsa."

 

Anil: There is no difference as far as D9 is concerned. If you

consider

D1,they are different.Acid and alkali retain their properties when

they are

separate. When you mix them,they loose their identity and a new

product

is formed.This is what happens by mixing different vargas.An expert

can still predict the product that is formed.Have you read different

results

of above Karakanshas? I have only seen the result of Libra Karakansha.

 

"All predictive logics are derived from the basic Rasi_Nakshatra

mathematical strucutre of the Zodiac."

 

Anil: You are correct but Rasi_Nakshatra are the basic divisions of

Zodiac.

They are First divisions of Bha-chakr. They are further divided to

find

Anshas and subs. We calculate Sub,Sub-sub etc. in KP. This only shows

finer divisions. Similarly,we have Week-day divided into 24 horas

(called Kshna-var or temporary week-day).In fact Horas are

more strong then week-day. Similarly,we can divide Rashis into

vargas and they are stronger then Rashi(D1) when it comes to the

area of significance indicated by that varg.

 

"There is only one Lagna in a Kundali and that is the rising point

over East which renders the Karmic qualities to the chart and

associated parameters.

If for Aries_Lagna with Navamsa in Libra, there is no Libra rising

and any extrapolation of the Rasi concepts to other Vargas is an

unscientific step.

Can you see that Navamsa in the East in Libra? Libra_navamsa in such

a case is rising in Aries on the East."

 

Anil: I agree with your first line but second line is incorrect

extention.

Aries rises in east as per Rashi division of Zodiac while Libra rises

as per

Navamansh division of Zodiac.

 

Parashar said 1/12 th part of Bha-chakr is Rashi. This is first

division of

Bha-chakr. Rules that are applied to first division are applicable to

all

divisions. For first division,we have only 12 signs but for other

divisions

we have 2,3 or more cycles of these signs in the order given in

classics.

Each sign is of 30 bhagas(parts) which we normally call degrees but

in Hindi, it is called Ansh which means part. Also see my mail to

Pradeepji.

 

So when you are saying Aries_Lagna with Navamsa in Libra I consider

it unnecessary. It is Aries Lagn in D1 and Libra in D9. The

calculation of Libra using longitude in Aries gives you this

impression that it is part of Aries.Instead of 12 parts,here Zodiac

is divided into 108 parts.

Sage has classified calculations just for the sake of clarity and

compactness. Imagine listing of 60 cycles of signs for D60 and the

possibility of remembring 720 signs in correct order! In Prashn-Marg,

calculation of some higher vargas are based on D9.It is just

convenience.

 

Here is the verse from BPHS after description of Meen Rashi:

 

Trinshad-bhagatmakanam ch Sthool-sookshm-phalay ch ||4-24||

 

Here the Sage has clearly said that each sign has 30 bhagas and are

used

to see sthool(macro) and sookshm(micro) results. Macro results can be

from D1 while micro from vargas. This verse further justifies

longitude in vargas.

 

Thanks for your interest.

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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